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NFT: Mets at Marlins Game 1 thread 4/13

sshin05 : 4/13/2017 4:45 pm
Mets lineup vs. Fish:

Granderson – CF
Cabrera – SS
Cιspedes – LF
Flores – 1B
Bruce – RF
Walker – 2B
Rivera – 3B
d’Arnaud – C
Gsellman – RHP

Gordon – 2B
Ellis – C
Yelich – CF
Stanton – RF
Bour – 1B
Ozuna – LF
Dietrich – 3B
Rojas – SS
Chen – P
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Tip of the cap  
Metnut : 4/14/2017 9:19 am : link
to you guys who stayed up to the end. Wife was gone last night so I watched the game from the start but went to bed in the 12th.

I didn't think Gsellmen looked TOO bad. Obviously not a great outing, but he had some Marlins batters confused and the strike zone was really odd. Defense didn't help him either. I'm confident he's going to put up a better outing next time.

Glad to see TDA hitting like this. It was one of the biggest question marks of the season. If he is healthy and "good" it's worth at least a few wins.

Rivera didn't look great on defense last night. I think 2B is his best position. I wouldn't bury him over one bad game, but yea, his defense isn't good.

Wilmer had a few good ABs vs righties but just couldn't get it done vs them.
I passed out  
feelflows : 4/14/2017 9:21 am : link
8-7

I'm getting old :/
Awesome win - hopefully this is the year that can start with momentum  
Eric on Li : 4/14/2017 9:28 am : link
and sustain it without needing massive changes at the deadline. Smoker and Salas are doing impressive work with Familia out. I know it's probably going to take time (probably next year) but I look forward to the not so distant future when Conforto, Rosario, and Cecchini get the chance to play every day.
RE: Tip of the cap  
Mike in NY : 4/14/2017 9:30 am : link
In comment 13428200 Metnut said:
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to you guys who stayed up to the end. Wife was gone last night so I watched the game from the start but went to bed in the 12th.

I didn't think Gsellmen looked TOO bad. Obviously not a great outing, but he had some Marlins batters confused and the strike zone was really odd. Defense didn't help him either. I'm confident he's going to put up a better outing next time.

Glad to see TDA hitting like this. It was one of the biggest question marks of the season. If he is healthy and "good" it's worth at least a few wins.

Rivera didn't look great on defense last night. I think 2B is his best position. I wouldn't bury him over one bad game, but yea, his defense isn't good.

Wilmer had a few good ABs vs righties but just couldn't get it done vs them.


I wouldn't say the strike zone was odd per se looking at the Brooks Baseball tracker. Angel Hernandez actually had a fairly consistent zone. The problem was he was not giving the low strike to anyone that Gsellman really needs with his stuff. I also wish he would go after hitters more when he is not getting that low strike to induce weak contact. His balls have enough downward movement that if he pounded players inside he would get more hitters getting over the ball and hitting into groundouts.
I made it through the 14th  
Rob in Rockaway : 4/14/2017 9:33 am : link
and then I reasoned (correctly) that if I continued to stay up they would lose and that if I went to bed they would win.
Watched the last 5-6 innings from bed.  
arcarsenal : 4/14/2017 9:41 am : link
I was ready to go to sleep but couldn't shut it off until it ended.

Awesome TEAM win. Every single player put in some work last night.

For TdA to hit that HR after 15 innings behind the plate was also super impressive. I said in ST that I really thought this could finally be the year we saw the "real" TdA if he could just stay healthy. So far, so good. This is the guy we've been talking about all these years.

Gotta give Robles some credit - as up and down as he is, that was a fucking gutty performance on his 4th straight day of pitching. The guy came through big time for us.

Last night was also the best I've ever seen Smoker pitch. I hope he's turning a corner. If he can keep that going, he's going to be a nice piece for us.

Need Thor to go at least 7 tonight.
update on marlins man and his guests sitting behind home plate  
Eric on Li : 4/14/2017 9:44 am : link
the internet never ceases to amaze.
Meet The Girls That Marlins Man Brought To The Mets-Marlins Marathon Game - ( New Window )
Turd  
DanMetroMan : 4/14/2017 9:44 am : link
Gilmartin being called up.
RE: Turd  
Mike in NY : 4/14/2017 9:48 am : link
In comment 13428254 DanMetroMan said:
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Gilmartin being called up.


Who is getting demoted? Or are they putting Josh Edgin on the DL never to return again?
Interesting stuff Mike  
Metnut : 4/14/2017 9:49 am : link
I guess I thought he was getting squeezed but if the data says otherwise then that's that. Luckily he's working with a great pitching coach so hopefully he can make adjustments. The stuff still looked really good to me.

7 innings for Thor? How about a CG SHO!
Thor  
pjcas18 : 4/14/2017 9:52 am : link
is the arm the Mets can least afford to lose, I prefer he doesn't go into a game feeling pressure to pitch longer than he usually does.

That's how some injuries happen (just my guess, but it seems like common sense)
RE: Interesting stuff Mike  
Mike in NY : 4/14/2017 9:52 am : link
In comment 13428267 Metnut said:
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I guess I thought he was getting squeezed but if the data says otherwise then that's that. Luckily he's working with a great pitching coach so hopefully he can make adjustments. The stuff still looked really good to me.

7 innings for Thor? How about a CG SHO!


I am attaching the graph on the link below. Triangle means a pitch thrown by a Mets pitcher and Square means one thrown by a Marlin. Red are strikes and Green are balls. Especially against LHB's, pitchers were not getting low strike
LINK - ( New Window )
RE: RE: Turd  
DanMetroMan : 4/14/2017 9:54 am : link
In comment 13428262 Mike in NY said:
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In comment 13428254 DanMetroMan said:


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Gilmartin being called up.



Who is getting demoted? Or are they putting Josh Edgin on the DL never to return again?


They haven't said yet, just that Gilmartin was told he's coming up.
Really feel that this is the year  
ZGiants98 : 4/14/2017 9:55 am : link
everything comes together. I don't even mean necessarily a WS championship (anything can happen in the postseason) but from a standpoint that the vision Sandy likely had when he came here, the top guys we've been waiting on, are all not only here, but have gotten the bumps and bruises out of the way. The deer in the headlights looks are gone. Everyone feels like they belong. I really feel if this team stays relatively healthy this engine is going to start purring.
Gilmartin is good choice  
ZGiants98 : 4/14/2017 9:56 am : link
to give us some innings at least (I know he has sucked in Vegas). Hopefully the game isnt close one way or the other.
This was a GREAT win...  
Chris684 : 4/14/2017 10:20 am : link
First of all, the Marlins are no slouch. The middle of their lineup with Yelich, Stanton, Boar and Ozuna is a major pain in the ass.

This is the type of game that good teams win and these wins build character. Offense picking up defense. Bullpen picking up starters.

It's early so I will try to remain calm but if guys like Bruce, TDA and Harvey are going to play like this, they will be better than we thought.

I would love to see Walker and Reyes pick it up and I think both Wheeler and Gsellman can pitch better than they have so far.

Let's keep it going tonight with Thor!
Marlins have a VERY good lineup  
CMicks3110 : 4/14/2017 10:23 am : link
I think Gsellman does not match up well with their htters, I expect more from him, and Wheeler looks good, just had a few bad innings. I expect those two to pitch much better. They both have excellent stuff
If Thor  
sshin05 : 4/14/2017 10:25 am : link
is on tonight (he usually is), it should relax the team today. I would play a lot of subs today because of last night's long game ie conforto, lagares, rene etc.
I think its possible  
sshin05 : 4/14/2017 10:26 am : link
that Reyes' off the field issues might be affecting his play.
I think Reyes is pressing...  
ZGiants98 : 4/14/2017 10:35 am : link
He's trying to belong in this group of star studded players... he's happy to be home and wants to impress the fans/teammates. It's not that shocking to me that he has had a slow week-10 days. Reyes used to drive everyone crazy with his cold streaks for years popping everything up, ect.... This isn't new.

The bigger problem with Reyes, for me, is that he was never as great of a hitter as people think he was. During our playoff competing years 2006-2008 and even up through 2010 he was basically a slightly above league average bat. Of course his defense and speed shot his WAR up and he was extremely valuable but he no longer is as fast and no longer provides fantastic D. Jose Reyes is a career wRC+ 104 player. That's ok for the 8 hole if he plays up to his ability. He really should be 8th though and not counted on to be some sort of dynamic player anymore.
Jose will be fine.  
arcarsenal : 4/14/2017 10:41 am : link
He's pressing right now. He's been around a long time now. He will get it going.
RE: This was a GREAT win...  
spike : 4/14/2017 10:48 am : link
In comment 13428304 Chris684 said:
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First of all, the Marlins are no slouch. The middle of their lineup with Yelich, Stanton, Boar and Ozuna is a major pain in the ass.

This is the type of game that good teams win and these wins build character. Offense picking up defense. Bullpen picking up starters.

It's early so I will try to remain calm but if guys like Bruce, TDA and Harvey are going to play like this, they will be better than we thought.

I would love to see Walker and Reyes pick it up and I think both Wheeler and Gsellman can pitch better than they have so far.

Let's keep it going tonight with Thor!


Yep. If JT realmuto was starting instead of Ellis, the outcome might have gone in the Marlins favor. He is an excellent offensive player also
7-3  
spike : 4/14/2017 10:56 am : link
Tied for theleague best record, along with the Reds and DBs
RE: Jose will be fine.  
ZGiants98 : 4/14/2017 10:56 am : link
In comment 13428346 arcarsenal said:
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He's pressing right now. He's been around a long time now. He will get it going.


+1. And the best part is he still has a very strong and accurate arm. We need that over there right now.
RE: RE: RE: Similar situation with TJ Rivera  
Section331 : 4/14/2017 11:45 am : link
In comment 13428193 ZGiants98 said:
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Yeah. Especially at 3B. I think if he's ever going to be even average there it's going to take some time. I like him better at 2B or 1B though. Either way, if he's not going to play anyway get a defensive guy like Reynolds up who can come in and help you out defensively late in a game. TJ Rivera's 4 atbats in two weeks isnt helping anybody. Just my take.


Yeah, why not put Rivera at 1B and Wilmer at 3B? I know they want to give Wilmer reps at first, but he's at least a capable 3B. Rivera is a major liability there. It's too bad, the kid can hit.
TJ Rivera can still play 2nd or 1st  
spike : 4/14/2017 11:48 am : link
.
Any word on who is pitching for marlins?  
bhill410 : 4/14/2017 11:49 am : link
(Unless I missed it above). I ask because that will largely determine who from the bench starts if you are concerned about vets being tired. Frankly, I think the late game may have actually helped out the vets as the vets are more likely to have been enjoying the nightlife so they may have actually gotten more sleep playing late.
RE: Any word on who is pitching for marlins?  
spike : 4/14/2017 11:50 am : link
In comment 13428456 bhill410 said:
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(Unless I missed it above). I ask because that will largely determine who from the bench starts if you are concerned about vets being tired. Frankly, I think the late game may have actually helped out the vets as the vets are more likely to have been enjoying the nightlife so they may have actually gotten more sleep playing late.


Edinson Volquez
Nice moment in the 16th.  
BigBlue in Keys : 4/14/2017 11:51 am : link
After going 0-7 Cabrera hits a single. He gets to first, has a big grin and raises his arms like "Yes, not 0-8!"

Great team win, everybody contributed. I gotta think that helps pull a team closer together.
against volquez  
spike : 4/14/2017 11:53 am : link
I would start

Cespedes - Conforto - Bruce

Flores - Reyes - Walker - Duda

R Rivera

Grandy is 0 for 8 against Volquez. Cabrera needs a day off
Lost in everything is TDA's resurgence...  
ZGiants98 : 4/14/2017 12:11 pm : link
It's early but TDA very well could be the best hitting catcher in baseball by years end. He has that kind of potential. He already showed "Posey like" offense in 2015 and he was just getting started. STAY HEALTHY PLEASE!
RE: Lost in everything is TDA's resurgence...  
spike : 4/14/2017 12:12 pm : link
In comment 13428505 ZGiants98 said:
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It's early but TDA very well could be the best hitting catcher in baseball by years end. He has that kind of potential. He already showed "Posey like" offense in 2015 and he was just getting started. STAY HEALTHY PLEASE!


Give K Long and TDA a ton of credit for his blazing start.
RE: RE: Lost in everything is TDA's resurgence...  
ZGiants98 : 4/14/2017 12:14 pm : link
In comment 13428506 spike said:
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In comment 13428505 ZGiants98 said:


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It's early but TDA very well could be the best hitting catcher in baseball by years end. He has that kind of potential. He already showed "Posey like" offense in 2015 and he was just getting started. STAY HEALTHY PLEASE!



Give K Long and TDA a ton of credit for his blazing start.


Im so happy TDA listened to him and got rid of the extreme wrap. Some pretty cool stories going around about how Long made him do exercises even in his house by looking in the mirror, ect. to stay balanced. Now get him the hell out of the 8 hole. he deserves some pitches to hit. Extreme hypothetical but let's say the wRC+ 130s from 2015 TDA is back....

My lineup is....

1.) Conforto CF
2.) TDA C
3.) Duda 1B
4.) Cespedes LF
5.) Bruce RF
6.) Walker
7.) Cabrera
8.) Reyes
flip flop Duda and Cespedes  
spike : 4/14/2017 12:23 pm : link
and you have a great lineup.

the Mets must be considered a real contender for the World Series.
Would  
DanMetroMan : 4/14/2017 12:25 pm : link
love for Long to somehow "fix" Wilmer vs. righties. Only thing (and it's a big one) holding him back from being a legit every day 3b option.
I dont think Wilmer will ever get enough atbats  
ZGiants98 : 4/14/2017 12:29 pm : link
here against righties to even get better if he wanted to. Still, even with everything together I think he's a wRC+105-110 guy. He should be playing on a team like the Padres. He would likely thrive.
Ehalt:  
DanMetroMan : 4/14/2017 12:32 pm : link
Nimmo "not close".
Really  
DanMetroMan : 4/14/2017 12:34 pm : link
curious what they do in CF next season. Lorenzo Cain is an obvious target for CF but he's 32 opening day next season so buyer beware. Conceivably if Nimmo and Lagares have good seasons I guess they could go with a CF platoon but both are SO injury prone that could be a disaster. FA market is pretty much void.
trade the farm for trout  
CMicks3110 : 4/14/2017 12:52 pm : link
in CF
Dan I think they  
Chris684 : 4/14/2017 12:52 pm : link
probably do have an eye on a Lagares/Nimmo platoon contingent upon healthy/somewhat productive seasons this year.

I also like the idea of moving Cabrera over to third next season to make way for Rosario and keeping Wilmer as utility IF off the bench.

TDA
Smith
Rivera/Cecchini
Rosario
Cabrera
Cespedes
Nimmo/Lagares
Conforto

Bench:
Flores
Rivera/Cecchini
Nimmo/Lagares
RE: Dan I think they  
DanMetroMan : 4/14/2017 12:55 pm : link
In comment 13428589 Chris684 said:
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probably do have an eye on a Lagares/Nimmo platoon contingent upon healthy/somewhat productive seasons this year.

I also like the idea of moving Cabrera over to third next season to make way for Rosario and keeping Wilmer as utility IF off the bench.

TDA
Smith
Rivera/Cecchini
Rosario
Cabrera
Cespedes
Nimmo/Lagares
Conforto

Bench:
Flores
Rivera/Cecchini
Nimmo/Lagares


I'm really not in favor of doing this. I'm nuts about minor leaguers but I suspect the 2018 Mets would be far WORSE than the 2017 team relying on Lagares and Nimmo + Smith + Rosario. Rosario will be the Mets SS next season however..
I wouldn't pencil in Smith just yet. There is a very legitimate chance he would represent a significant downgrade from Lucas Duda in 2018. MOST rookies struggle, now we are going to replace a few of guys like Walker, Duda, Cabrera with unproven rookies? Rosario is 1) A pretty special talent 2) Plays a position with less pressure on the bat but subtracting multiple proven MLB players for multiple unproven young guys seems like a bad bet. Maybe Smith has an incredible season and makes this moot but I think people are rushing to fit these guys in when this SHOULD be a 3-4 year run of being a contender (at minimum).


As for Nimmo/Lagares 1. Both are beyond injury prone 2. Lets see Nimmo actually hit MLB pitching before assigning ANY role for him for next year.
I tend to agree with Dan  
ZGiants98 : 4/14/2017 1:01 pm : link
Any of those guys could surprise and take a starting role next year but I doubt Sandy would go "all young". The way he's operated the last couple seasons with placeholders and depth tells me he'll want to bring a few more options into play.

If Conforto and TDA really established themselves as dependable "stars" this year though, I might change my mind a little bit. But right now the only guy we can depend on going into 2018 is Ces.
I definitely see your point...  
Chris684 : 4/14/2017 1:06 pm : link
It's probably heavy on young and inexperienced, but I do like Cabrera at 3rd.
RE: I definitely see your point...  
DanMetroMan : 4/14/2017 1:08 pm : link
In comment 13428622 Chris684 said:
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It's probably heavy on young and inexperienced, but I do like Cabrera at 3rd.


I suspect Cabrera at 3b is a very real possibility for next season. I really don't understand why the Mets talk up playing guys at other positions for it to not even happen. Reyes in the OF, TDA/Plawecki at 1b, Rivera in the OF etc. I would have given Cabrera 3b reps in ST. Would be nice to have the option of sliding Cabrera over to 3b if Rosario is destroying the ball come June/July.
Cabrera  
DanMetroMan : 4/14/2017 1:10 pm : link
should be back next season "no matter what" with that option. I'll be really bummed if he has a normal season for him and they cut bait.
RE: Cabrera  
Shecky : 4/14/2017 1:14 pm : link
In comment 13428630 DanMetroMan said:
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should be back next season "no matter what" with that option. I'll be really bummed if he has a normal season for him and they cut bait.


I'd be very surprised if he isn't brought back. Very professional, kinda old school player. Might not be the perfect influence, but a clubhouse guy they look up to and need around.
I  
DanMetroMan : 4/14/2017 1:18 pm : link
really like Cabrera. Very solid player, animated, teammates seem to like him. He's becoming one of my favorites (and I didn't particularly want him).
RE: RE: Cabrera  
spike : 4/14/2017 1:27 pm : link
In comment 13428635 Shecky said:
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In comment 13428630 DanMetroMan said:


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should be back next season "no matter what" with that option. I'll be really bummed if he has a normal season for him and they cut bait.



I'd be very surprised if he isn't brought back. Very professional, kinda old school player. Might not be the perfect influence, but a clubhouse guy they look up to and need around.


Cespedes needs a BFF when Reyes leaves. Cab fits the bill
did they ever find out why tj rivera was removed from the game  
CGiants07 : 4/14/2017 4:27 pm : link
in 4th inning?
RE: did they ever find out why tj rivera was removed from the game  
spike : 4/14/2017 4:30 pm : link
In comment 13428898 CGiants07 said:
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in 4th inning?


For swinging through 3 straight pitches with the bases loaded? I doubt he was hurt, but just wasn't any good
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