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sshin05 : 4/13/2017 4:45 pm
Mets lineup vs. Fish:

Granderson – CF
Cabrera – SS
Céspedes – LF
Flores – 1B
Bruce – RF
Walker – 2B
Rivera – 3B
d’Arnaud – C
Gsellman – RHP

Gordon – 2B
Ellis – C
Yelich – CF
Stanton – RF
Bour – 1B
Ozuna – LF
Dietrich – 3B
Rojas – SS
Chen – P
Conforto  
sshin05 : 4/13/2017 5:06 pm : link
has 0.4 War in 13 plate appearances. lol
RE: Conforto  
Shecky : 4/13/2017 5:12 pm : link
In comment 13427561 sshin05 said:
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has 0.4 War in 13 plate appearances. lol


At that pace...
RE: Conforto  
Metnut : 4/13/2017 5:16 pm : link
In comment 13427561 sshin05 said:
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has 0.4 War in 13 plate appearances. lol


Would've loved to see him get another start tonight. Hopefully Granderson and Bruce rake a bit tonight and we end up having a nice OF competition.
Was anyone  
JayBinQueens : 4/13/2017 5:41 pm : link
listening to Francessa today?

Did anyone call him out about saying Conforto would never bat lead-off?
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arcarsenal : 4/13/2017 5:55 pm : link
The Conforto situation sucks. I don't envy Collins. There's really no easy solution here.
Jay  
Samiam : 4/13/2017 5:55 pm : link
Francesca said Conforto is not a lead off hitter. Didn't say he would not bat lead off. If Reyes was hitting, he'd be leading off.
If it were me  
Mike in NY : 4/13/2017 5:58 pm : link
My line-up tonight would be
1) Conforto/CF
2) Cabrera/SS
3) Cespedes/LF
4) Bruce/RF
5) Flores/3B
6) Duda/1B
7) TdA/C
8) Rivera/2B
9) Gsellman/P
RE: .  
PhiPsi125 : 4/13/2017 6:05 pm : link
In comment 13427637 arcarsenal said:
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The Conforto situation sucks. I don't envy Collins. There's really no easy solution here.


Sure there is.
RE: RE: .  
arcarsenal : 4/13/2017 6:11 pm : link
In comment 13427656 PhiPsi125 said:
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In comment 13427637 arcarsenal said:


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The Conforto situation sucks. I don't envy Collins. There's really no easy solution here.



Sure there is.


C'mon, this is not an easy situation to handle.

If you're going to suggest benching Granderson long-term, I don't really consider that a legitimate option. Managers don't pull the plug on vets like Granderson 2 weeks into a season- and it's not like Granderson has been perennially bad here, either.

Sitting Bruce while he's raking doesn't make sense, either.

Now we have Lagares activated to conflate the situation further.
RE: RE: RE: .  
PhiPsi125 : 4/13/2017 6:20 pm : link
In comment 13427662 arcarsenal said:
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In comment 13427656 PhiPsi125 said:


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In comment 13427637 arcarsenal said:


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The Conforto situation sucks. I don't envy Collins. There's really no easy solution here.



Sure there is.



C'mon, this is not an easy situation to handle.

If you're going to suggest benching Granderson long-term, I don't really consider that a legitimate option. Managers don't pull the plug on vets like Granderson 2 weeks into a season- and it's not like Granderson has been perennially bad here, either.

Sitting Bruce while he's raking doesn't make sense, either.

Now we have Lagares activated to conflate the situation further.


I'll respond in more detail in a bit but I agree and disagree with what you are saying.
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arcarsenal : 4/13/2017 6:29 pm : link
For the record, I think Conforto offers more than Granderson does right now and I would like to see him play.

The thing is - managers and players, especially veteran players like Curtis who play the game the right way and are important clubhouse guys, have a certain relationship/loyalty. It's what creates respect and makes the player have the managers back.

Curtis has been here for 3+ years now, he's obviously one of the most respected guy on the team and he is still a solid ballplayer.

If this were MLB The Show, I'd just yank him and play MC more often, but I don't expect Terry to do that. He's going to continue to get Curtis in the lineup most games under the assumption that he's going to get it going at some point.

The trade route is another discussion - I think some people may say "hey, now that Bruce is hot, let's flip him," but, you're not going to fool most MLB GM's. They know what they're getting if they trade for Jay Bruce and they also know that we're trying to create a spot or MC, which would probably reduce our leverage in any type of trade discussion.

To me, it's a very difficult situation right now. I think everyone - fans, and people in the org - want to see MC play and get AB's here. But telling a guy like Granderson to take a seat for the long-haul is way easier said than done.
Conforto will go down when Lagares returns  
spike : 4/13/2017 6:56 pm : link
I would play COnforto to get Bruce and Cespedes a day off this weekend.
The thing I don't like about the Conforto issue  
Ten Ton Hammer : 4/13/2017 6:59 pm : link
is wasting years of cheap service time. When does he get to play so we can learn what he is? In his walk year? So he can maybe have one good year which wouldn't be enough to justify making the effort to keep him?
RE: Conforto will go down when Lagares returns  
arcarsenal : 4/13/2017 7:01 pm : link
In comment 13427709 spike said:
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I would play COnforto to get Bruce and Cespedes a day off this weekend.


Lagares was already activated. Sewald got sent back to LV.
RE: The thing I don't like about the Conforto issue  
arcarsenal : 4/13/2017 7:01 pm : link
In comment 13427710 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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is wasting years of cheap service time. When does he get to play so we can learn what he is? In his walk year? So he can maybe have one good year which wouldn't be enough to justify making the effort to keep him?


I understand this, but how to do you get him regular AB's?
The Mets  
spike : 4/13/2017 7:01 pm : link
would benefit from a DH role in NL. LOL

Bruce would DH every day.
RE: RE: Conforto will go down when Lagares returns  
spike : 4/13/2017 7:02 pm : link
In comment 13427714 arcarsenal said:
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I would play COnforto to get Bruce and Cespedes a day off this weekend.



Lagares was already activated. Sewald got sent back to LV.


so MC gets another week until Familia returns on February 20
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arcarsenal : 4/13/2017 7:12 pm : link
Wow, they actually have the roof open tonight. I can't remember the last time I saw it off.
Granderson with a weak ground out on first pitch  
Mike in NY : 4/13/2017 7:14 pm : link
Thank goodness we played him over Conforto
misplay ahead of Stanton  
jpkmets : 4/13/2017 7:25 pm : link
is a bad deal.
Ugh.  
arcarsenal : 4/13/2017 7:31 pm : link
Gsellman not faring well against the Marlins this year.
Arc, I agree with a lot of what you said.  
PhiPsi125 : 4/13/2017 7:42 pm : link
I just don't agree with playing Vets just because they are vets. Granderson is serviceable, but he is clearly declining. He rarely shows up offensively until mid-may or later. He's not a great fielder and looks worse this year. Honestly, at this point in his career he should be a platoon player. Maybe borderline starter.

Conforto is a highly touted draft pick that has destroyed every level of the minors and has shown the ability to shine in the pros. And that's with TC dicking around with him.

I understand it's not an ideal situation but it also doesn't need to be this difficult. Problem is, TC is stubborn when it comes to "his" guys. Granderson can go 0 for April and May but he'll still be in the lineup everyday to play through it. Even if it's a detriment.

Conforto destroys April and then starts to slump. His playing time is immediated affected, no longer is allowed to hit against lefties, and then shipped back to the minors. Wilmer was treated the same way, probably worse.

They don't have to bench Granderson but Conforto definitely should get more playing time at Granderson's expense. TCs whole mantra of "you hit, you play" is bullshit. The fact that Conforto isn't in the lineup today because of Granderson is predictable and unfortunate. If Granderson is such a great clubhouse guy, then he should be with less playing time also.
TDA BABY!!  
ZGiants98 : 4/13/2017 7:44 pm : link
WHOOO!
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arcarsenal : 4/13/2017 7:49 pm : link
I get it.. I just think this early in the season, it's hard to expect Collins to bench one of his vets that he's been leaning on the last few years. It's not like Granderson has been abysmal or anything, either. He's had a couple really nice years here. Sometimes as a manager, you want players to know you have their backs - it takes some pressure off and doesn't make them feel like if they don't hit a HR every time up, they're going to get benched.

We'll see how it plays out. I want MC to play just like everyone else does. I also think that Collins is in a tough situation and is trying to do right by his players. Regardless of what we think about him as a manager, the players on this team play hard for him and a lot of that is because they respect him. So, it's a slippery slope.

And just like that, Curtis comes through and drives in the tying run....
and... Grandy is clutch  
ZGiants98 : 4/13/2017 7:49 pm : link
with two outs. Tie game. That was quick.
Couple of Blondes with  
Rob in Rockaway : 4/13/2017 7:52 pm : link
great racks behind home plate. Only adding to the fun.
My biggest problem with Conforto replacing Granderson  
ZGiants98 : 4/13/2017 7:52 pm : link
is I have no idea if Conforto can play CF yet. He hasn't really been tested and he has about 3-4 starts in his entire career/minors and college too! I know Granderson is below average-ish but at least he has a career of reading routes, ect. out there.

If I knew Conforto could legitimately handle it Id probably be more on board but he looks like our future RF to me.
RE: Couple of Blondes with  
arcarsenal : 4/13/2017 7:53 pm : link
In comment 13427778 Rob in Rockaway said:
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great racks behind home plate. Only adding to the fun.


I was just going to mention this - the one in the burgundy or brown top has HUGE cans.
RE: My biggest problem with Conforto replacing Granderson  
arcarsenal : 4/13/2017 7:54 pm : link
In comment 13427779 ZGiants98 said:
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is I have no idea if Conforto can play CF yet. He hasn't really been tested and he has about 3-4 starts in his entire career/minors and college too! I know Granderson is below average-ish but at least he has a career of reading routes, ect. out there.

If I knew Conforto could legitimately handle it Id probably be more on board but he looks like our future RF to me.


I agree - this is the other issue. Curtis is no great shakes out in the field but he has tons of MLB experience playing CF. Conforto does not.
RE: RE: Couple of Blondes with  
figgy2989 : 4/13/2017 7:58 pm : link
In comment 13427782 arcarsenal said:
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great racks behind home plate. Only adding to the fun.



I was just going to mention this - the one in the burgundy or brown top has HUGE cans.


You ain't kidding...you think Marlins Man is paying for that?
Jesus christ...  
arcarsenal : 4/13/2017 8:03 pm : link
Cespedes is a monster.
Ces Pe  
ZGiants98 : 4/13/2017 8:03 pm : link
DES!
Prodigious!  
Stufftherun : 4/13/2017 8:03 pm : link
And Wilmaaaah too!
WILMAAAAAA  
arcarsenal : 4/13/2017 8:04 pm : link
Fucking Babe Ruth vs LHP
WHOOO!  
ZGiants98 : 4/13/2017 8:04 pm : link
:0
Bats  
spike : 4/13/2017 8:04 pm : link
are caliente!

BABE FLORES  
ZGiants98 : 4/13/2017 8:04 pm : link
!
Babe Ruth  
spike : 4/13/2017 8:04 pm : link
vs lefties
Cespedes' HR was an absolute MOON SHOT.  
arcarsenal : 4/13/2017 8:04 pm : link
He is an absolute freak.
Wow  
Rflairr : 4/13/2017 8:04 pm : link
that Cespedes HR was smoked. I mean that swing was beautiful
Back to back  
Rflairr : 4/13/2017 8:06 pm : link
Belly to Belly
I think Ces is going to put up ridiculous numbers this year.  
arcarsenal : 4/13/2017 8:07 pm : link
If he plays 150 games, he's going to hit 40+
RE: I think Ces is going to put up ridiculous numbers this year.  
ZGiants98 : 4/13/2017 8:08 pm : link
In comment 13427808 arcarsenal said:
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If he plays 150 games, he's going to hit 40+


The crazy thing is I think a healthy Duda could too. Gonna be a fun year if we stay healthy.
Cespedes  
sshin05 : 4/13/2017 8:10 pm : link
Wow! 😲
Regarding Curtis, I can see your side of it.  
PhiPsi125 : 4/13/2017 8:15 pm : link
He does have a ton of experience and has earned the right to play. And I want it to come across like I hate the guy. I love Curtis and he has produced more here than I thought he would. Anyway, it is what it is.
bullpen is gonna get tested tonight  
spike : 4/13/2017 8:17 pm : link
too many deep counts
Geez. Seems like just yesterday  
ZGiants98 : 4/13/2017 8:17 pm : link
If we went down 4-0 the game would be over. We came back sooooooo fast. :)
Gsellman  
sshin05 : 4/13/2017 8:18 pm : link
Has a wicked sinker; he's having command problems today. Too many deep counts.
TDA has a 1016 OPS  
ZGiants98 : 4/13/2017 8:21 pm : link
in front of the pitcher.
RE: Gsellman  
Mike in NY : 4/13/2017 8:22 pm : link
In comment 13427819 sshin05 said:
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Has a wicked sinker; he's having command problems today. Too many deep counts.


Nibbling way too much
Cespedes  
jpkmets : 4/13/2017 8:36 pm : link
gee whiz!
This is ridiculous!  
Stufftherun : 4/13/2017 8:37 pm : link
.
Jesus when Cespedes gets hot he  
ZGiants98 : 4/13/2017 8:37 pm : link
gets sooooo HOT. I thought that only happened to Duda though. ;)
wow just  
Rflairr : 4/13/2017 8:37 pm : link
wow
We get to see this  
spike : 4/13/2017 8:38 pm : link
for at least FOUR more years :D
Cespedes  
sshin05 : 4/13/2017 8:38 pm : link
Looks like he's getting on that 2015 power surge
My brother in law is a HUGE Cubs fan.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 4/13/2017 8:40 pm : link
He fears one team: the Mets. They're stacked pitching wise and offensively they can get hot.
RE: My brother in law is a HUGE Cubs fan.  
spike : 4/13/2017 8:42 pm : link
In comment 13427842 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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He fears one team: the Mets. They're stacked pitching wise and offensively they can get hot.


he should fear the age of his team's starting rotation
Geez this guy  
sshin05 : 4/13/2017 8:42 pm : link
Marc Carig @MarcCarig 28s
Yoenis Cespedes’ last 72 hours: 7-for-11, 2 doubles, 5 homers, 9 RBIs.
Cespedes...  
arcarsenal : 4/13/2017 8:42 pm : link
What else can you say? The guy is a superstar.
come on kid  
spike : 4/13/2017 8:47 pm : link
finish off this inning
cue  
spike : 4/13/2017 8:48 pm : link
Dan Warthen
TC  
spike : 4/13/2017 8:54 pm : link
should've lifted him after the walk.

He has nothing left.
great job  
spike : 4/13/2017 8:58 pm : link
Edgin. Give us Sewald back
Fuck you Edgin  
ZGiants98 : 4/13/2017 8:59 pm : link
Seriously? We want this guy to be our LOOGY?? Ugh.
DFA Edgin pleas  
spike : 4/13/2017 9:01 pm : link
he has sucked forever
Nice throw by Bruce!  
Stufftherun : 4/13/2017 9:01 pm : link
.
Gsellman might need some more time in vegas  
spike : 4/13/2017 9:02 pm : link
but we cant shatter his confidence yet
RE: Gsellman might need some more time in vegas  
ZGiants98 : 4/13/2017 9:04 pm : link
In comment 13427870 spike said:
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but we cant shatter his confidence yet


He wasn't that bad. Little bit of a rocky 1st obviously fueled by two walks. He settled down and was cruising until the last inning where he didnt get any favors from a Walker muff, ect. Seemed like he ran out of gas there too. Edgin just threw gasonline all over the fire.
this game needds more  
spike : 4/13/2017 9:09 pm : link
Conforto
i hope they don't have enough to overturn but  
GMenLTS : 4/13/2017 9:42 pm : link
it looks like ces got caught
Come on Ces..  
ZGiants98 : 4/13/2017 9:42 pm : link
Got to slide there.
Wow that's really close.  
arcarsenal : 4/13/2017 9:42 pm : link
.
They'll magnify  
Stufftherun : 4/13/2017 9:43 pm : link
the image but from what we can see it doesn't appear he tagged him.
taking too long, inconclusive  
GMenLTS : 4/13/2017 9:43 pm : link
.
.  
arcarsenal : 4/13/2017 9:44 pm : link
Wow that sucks.
fuck  
GMenLTS : 4/13/2017 9:44 pm : link
motherfuck
Cespedes  
spike : 4/13/2017 9:44 pm : link
Has to slide there.. Not sure why he refused to, even on the pickoff throws
Damn it...  
ZGiants98 : 4/13/2017 9:45 pm : link
BS. Took way too long. Should have been inconclusive.

Ces still should have slid.
Its on Walker  
spike : 4/13/2017 9:45 pm : link
To help Cespedes
Cespedes the enigma  
bigbluehoya : 4/13/2017 9:45 pm : link
The guy can flat out hit but his baseball sense otherwise is stupefying
Clutch hit by Bruce  
Stufftherun : 4/13/2017 9:45 pm : link
but gotta slide.
Montero is stil pitching?  
spike : 4/13/2017 9:50 pm : link
Why?

What about Smoker?
Ugh....  
ZGiants98 : 4/13/2017 9:52 pm : link
Get Edgin and Montero on a plane to Vegas. If somebody claims Edgin... Bye Felicia.
Ugh...  
ZGiants98 : 4/13/2017 10:00 pm : link
Nice job Blev...
Blevins has  
Stufftherun : 4/13/2017 10:01 pm : link
been terrific and boy has the bullpen needed it.
THANK YOU TDA  
ZGiants98 : 4/13/2017 10:08 pm : link
That gets Ces up in the 9th!
MC!!!!!  
arcarsenal : 4/13/2017 10:11 pm : link
.
Wow!!!!  
ZGiants98 : 4/13/2017 10:11 pm : link
Conforto!! Nice!!
Conforto!  
spike : 4/13/2017 10:11 pm : link
He has to start tomorrow. Red hot
Woohoo!  
Stufftherun : 4/13/2017 10:11 pm : link
He needed every bit of that gap to get TdA home too!
FUCKING CONFORTO  
GMenLTS : 4/13/2017 10:11 pm : link
!!!!
Lets finish it  
spike : 4/13/2017 10:11 pm : link
Grandy!
Let Bruce play first base  
spike : 4/13/2017 10:13 pm : link
Tomorrow
We should see  
spike : 4/13/2017 10:15 pm : link
Lagares play CF now. Pitcher takes Grandy batting spot
If TDA keeps playing like this  
ZGiants98 : 4/13/2017 10:17 pm : link
We aint tradin fo no Lucroy!
Not feeling good with this  
ZGiants98 : 4/13/2017 10:20 pm : link
Stanton atbat..
Whooo Salas!  
ZGiants98 : 4/13/2017 10:23 pm : link
One more baby!
huge K  
GMenLTS : 4/13/2017 10:23 pm : link
.
Safe to say Salas  
Stufftherun : 4/13/2017 10:23 pm : link
has something on Stanton.
Nice.  
ZGiants98 : 4/13/2017 10:24 pm : link
Stanton 0-6 with 5Ks vs Salas.
Enormous!  
Stufftherun : 4/13/2017 10:26 pm : link
Great job by Salas!
now go get runs and let reed finish it off  
GMenLTS : 4/13/2017 10:26 pm : link
.
.  
arcarsenal : 4/13/2017 10:31 pm : link
Cmon Cesssssss
Great AB, Yo.  
arcarsenal : 4/13/2017 10:32 pm : link
.
well earned walk  
GMenLTS : 4/13/2017 10:32 pm : link
come on wilmahhhhhhhh
LOL.. ugh.  
arcarsenal : 4/13/2017 10:33 pm : link
The one fucking thing Flores couldn't do there... the one thing...
sonofa  
GMenLTS : 4/13/2017 10:33 pm : link
..
Marlin Man twitter  
spike : 4/13/2017 10:36 pm : link
Has pictures of him with the nice chicks next to him
.  
arcarsenal : 4/13/2017 10:41 pm : link
Salas = $$$$$$
.  
arcarsenal : 4/13/2017 10:41 pm : link
I wonder how much Marlin Man paid those girls to hang out with him.
Time to bat TDA  
spike : 4/13/2017 10:51 pm : link
Second lol

Go MC!
Soo who else is left  
spike : 4/13/2017 10:57 pm : link
In the pen?

Smoker? Robles?
Robles can't possibly pitch 4 days in a row  
ZGiants98 : 4/13/2017 11:15 pm : link
Collins is allergic to Smoker.
that was the most bizarre foul ball I've ever seen  
Eric on Li : 4/13/2017 11:22 pm : link
just need to put 1 on the board and let Reed finish it out.
Rene Rivera  
spike : 4/13/2017 11:33 pm : link
is now the first baseman?
RE: Rene Rivera  
Mike in NY : 4/13/2017 11:34 pm : link
In comment 13428017 spike said:
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is now the first baseman?


Collins wants multiple innings out of Smoker without burning Reed for tomorrow
I feel bad for anyone not watching Smoker tonight  
ZGiants98 : 4/13/2017 11:51 pm : link
He is straight up dealing...
Mets have one hit over last six innings  
Vanzetti : 4/14/2017 12:02 am : link
Guys trying too hard to end it with one swing
RE: I feel bad for anyone not watching Smoker tonight  
Vanzetti : 4/14/2017 12:09 am : link
In comment 13428024 ZGiants98 said:
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He is straight up dealing...


How hard is he throwing?
Time for Robles  
Mike in NY : 4/14/2017 12:17 am : link
Shame we couldn't get a run so Smoker gets the win
bad job by TC  
spike : 4/14/2017 12:19 am : link
Bringing Robles the last 3 straight days.
RE: RE: I feel bad for anyone not watching Smoker tonight  
allstarjim : 4/14/2017 12:21 am : link
In comment 13428030 Vanzetti said:
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He is straight up dealing...



How hard is he throwing?


I wasn't paying that much attention but I did see one fastball at 96.

With Robles in the game here, isn't this the 4th night in a row? Does anyone NOT think this game is going to be over here in this inning?
Mets cannot buy a hit  
Mike in NY : 4/14/2017 12:21 am : link
And Florida gets jammed and it falls into RF
Smoker had only thrown 38 pitches  
Vanzetti : 4/14/2017 12:24 am : link
Why did pea brain take him out to use Robles for a 4th night in a row? especially considering how bad he was on the third night
RE: Smoker had only thrown 38 pitches  
Mike in NY : 4/14/2017 12:26 am : link
In comment 13428040 Vanzetti said:
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Why did pea brain take him out to use Robles for a 4th night in a row? especially considering how bad he was on the third night


He looked gassed in that 3rd inning. Velocity was still good, but his pitches were not as crisp and he was not locating as well. I hate seeing Robles in there, but Smoker was running on fumes.
Yup, 4th night in a row for Robles  
allstarjim : 4/14/2017 12:26 am : link
And he is wild. I swear it will be nothing short of a miracle if the Mets get to the 16th.
RE: Yup, 4th night in a row for Robles  
Mike in NY : 4/14/2017 12:29 am : link
In comment 13428042 allstarjim said:
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And he is wild. I swear it will be nothing short of a miracle if the Mets get to the 16th.


To the 16th we go!
Holy crap.  
allstarjim : 4/14/2017 12:30 am : link
Please Mets. Let's get some runs now... we definitely need this inning.
lol at Terry  
Vanzetti : 4/14/2017 12:31 am : link
He doesn't walk Gordon and set up the DP with one of the slowest men in baseball coming up. Totally dumb move. But it works. Mets are destined to win this game.
booooooooom  
Eric on Li : 4/14/2017 12:33 am : link
TdA has already surpassed his offensive output from last year. Crazy Robles has a chance to come up really big.
TDA baby!  
ZGiants98 : 4/14/2017 12:34 am : link
Can we please finish this.
TdA!  
allstarjim : 4/14/2017 12:34 am : link
Having himself a game!

He's off to a very encouraging start to the season and I think this is going to be a big year for him. I really believe he is going to show this year the promise he had coming into the Majors was justified.
RE: RE: I feel bad for anyone not watching Smoker tonight  
ZGiants98 : 4/14/2017 12:34 am : link
In comment 13428030 Vanzetti said:
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He is straight up dealing...



How hard is he throwing?


As high as 97 with a nasty change and slider. The change was more impressive than anything IMO.
RE: lol at Terry  
Mike in NY : 4/14/2017 12:34 am : link
In comment 13428045 Vanzetti said:
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He doesn't walk Gordon and set up the DP with one of the slowest men in baseball coming up. Totally dumb move. But it works. Mets are destined to win this game.


Not dumb when you consider that if you do not get the DP you have Yelich up with runner in scoring position
I have to say, I hope we get more  
allstarjim : 4/14/2017 12:37 am : link
With Yelich, Stanton, Bour, and if anyone gets on, Ozuna due up in the bottom half of this inning, I just don't see this run holding up, but hope I'm wrong.
RE: RE: lol at Terry  
Vanzetti : 4/14/2017 12:39 am : link
In comment 13428052 Mike in NY said:
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He doesn't walk Gordon and set up the DP with one of the slowest men in baseball coming up. Totally dumb move. But it works. Mets are destined to win this game.



Not dumb when you consider that if you do not get the DP you have Yelich up with runner in scoring position


You need one run to win. Gordon is just as likely or more likely to get a hit than Yelich. Every other manger in baseball walks Gordon to set up the DP with Ellis. It's a complete no brainer. But Terry doesn't and it works. LOL
Catching 15 innings  
Ten Ton Hammer : 4/14/2017 12:39 am : link
And hitting a home run after 5+ hours is a ridiculous athletic feat.
Sewald  
sshin05 : 4/14/2017 12:46 am : link
Would be handy here
TDA's resurgence might be the best news  
Vanzetti : 4/14/2017 12:47 am : link
so far this season

already has 9 RBIs after what 14 all last season?
PIITB  
Mike in NY : 4/14/2017 12:51 am : link
!
Nice win! What a game!!  
BigBlue in Keys : 4/14/2017 12:56 am : link
Nobody get on a boat!

Almost drove up for the game tonight, glad I stayed home or else I wouldn't have been home until 4 a.m.
Record for most Home Runs on the road is 138  
Vanzetti : 4/14/2017 1:02 am : link
by 2001 SF Giants

most HR in a single season is 264 by 1997 Mariners

Hard to break those steroid era records
Couldn't keep the eyes  
Stufftherun : 4/14/2017 6:16 am : link
open long enough but always nice to wake up to see they punched one across and made it hold up. Happy for TdA, just hope this is the year he can stay healthy.
I'm  
DanMetroMan : 4/14/2017 7:00 am : link
a bad fan but I had to go to bed... great to wake up and see they won in 16!
Volquez now the probable starter  
jpkmets : 4/14/2017 7:29 am : link
for Friday on ESPN's schedule. Bet Conley goes against deGrom on Saturday.
Big win  
spike : 4/14/2017 9:01 am : link
Hope Thor can go deep tonight with a depleted pen
One thing that really irks me  
ZGiants98 : 4/14/2017 9:04 am : link
is how hesitant Collins is to get younger players involved. I get it with Granderson and the outfield situation. These are proven good players who are all coming off good years.

What I dont get is why Collins is so hesitant to use somebody like Smoker or Sewald more when guys like Montero and Edgin have been mediocre options for years now. Why not "try" the options that have dominated AAA? It was as clear as day Smoker was Collins's last resort last night. Edgin almost cost us the game and Montero is "meh" at best. Smoker truly showed what he was capable of last night. It's a shame Sewald only got to pitch for one whopping inning while he was up.

Get Edgin and Montero out of here. We'll never improve if we are going to keep sticking with these mediocre players.
RE: I'm  
pjcas18 : 4/14/2017 9:05 am : link
In comment 13428092 DanMetroMan said:
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a bad fan but I had to go to bed... great to wake up and see they won in 16!


I feel asleep in the 12th inning. So much time invested in a game to fall asleep in the 12th. So pissed as myself.

I think I would have been more pissed if they lost though (obviously).
RE: RE: I'm  
pjcas18 : 4/14/2017 9:06 am : link
In comment 13428182 pjcas18 said:
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In comment 13428092 DanMetroMan said:


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a bad fan but I had to go to bed... great to wake up and see they won in 16!



I feel asleep in the 12th inning. So much time invested in a game to fall asleep in the 12th. So pissed as myself.

I think I would have been more pissed if they lost though (obviously).


pissed *at* myself
Similar situation with TJ Rivera  
ZGiants98 : 4/14/2017 9:06 am : link
If you aren't going to play him at all send him back to Vegas. Get a versatile defensive option that can come in a game late.
RE: Similar situation with TJ Rivera  
DanMetroMan : 4/14/2017 9:09 am : link
In comment 13428185 ZGiants98 said:
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If you aren't going to play him at all send him back to Vegas. Get a versatile defensive option that can come in a game late.


Rivera's defensive short comings are a real issue. I think this is the real reason he has never been given a "shot". He's just not an MLB caliber defensive player and the "bat only" bench players are few and far between. I'd give raging hot Cecchini a shot. I'm not "giving up" on Rivera but his defense is an issue.
RE: RE: Similar situation with TJ Rivera  
ZGiants98 : 4/14/2017 9:13 am : link
In comment 13428190 DanMetroMan said:
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In comment 13428185 ZGiants98 said:


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If you aren't going to play him at all send him back to Vegas. Get a versatile defensive option that can come in a game late.



Rivera's defensive short comings are a real issue. I think this is the real reason he has never been given a "shot". He's just not an MLB caliber defensive player and the "bat only" bench players are few and far between. I'd give raging hot Cecchini a shot. I'm not "giving up" on Rivera but his defense is an issue.


Yeah. Especially at 3B. I think if he's ever going to be even average there it's going to take some time. I like him better at 2B or 1B though. Either way, if he's not going to play anyway get a defensive guy like Reynolds up who can come in and help you out defensively late in a game. TJ Rivera's 4 atbats in two weeks isnt helping anybody. Just my take.
RE: One thing that really irks me  
figgy2989 : 4/14/2017 9:16 am : link
In comment 13428180 ZGiants98 said:
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is how hesitant Collins is to get younger players involved. I get it with Granderson and the outfield situation. These are proven good players who are all coming off good years.

What I dont get is why Collins is so hesitant to use somebody like Smoker or Sewald more when guys like Montero and Edgin have been mediocre options for years now. Why not "try" the options that have dominated AAA? It was as clear as day Smoker was Collins's last resort last night. Edgin almost cost us the game and Montero is "meh" at best. Smoker truly showed what he was capable of last night. It's a shame Sewald only got to pitch for one whopping inning while he was up.

Get Edgin and Montero out of here. We'll never improve if we are going to keep sticking with these mediocre players.


Agreed Z. TC tends to focus too much on the batter to batter matchups. I would love to see him give Smoker a chance to pitch a full inning or two. If not, we are going to have a few guys approaching Pedro Feliciano territory as far as appearances are concerned.
Tip of the cap  
Metnut : 4/14/2017 9:19 am : link
to you guys who stayed up to the end. Wife was gone last night so I watched the game from the start but went to bed in the 12th.

I didn't think Gsellmen looked TOO bad. Obviously not a great outing, but he had some Marlins batters confused and the strike zone was really odd. Defense didn't help him either. I'm confident he's going to put up a better outing next time.

Glad to see TDA hitting like this. It was one of the biggest question marks of the season. If he is healthy and "good" it's worth at least a few wins.

Rivera didn't look great on defense last night. I think 2B is his best position. I wouldn't bury him over one bad game, but yea, his defense isn't good.

Wilmer had a few good ABs vs righties but just couldn't get it done vs them.
I passed out  
feelflows : 4/14/2017 9:21 am : link
8-7

I'm getting old :/
Awesome win - hopefully this is the year that can start with momentum  
Eric on Li : 4/14/2017 9:28 am : link
and sustain it without needing massive changes at the deadline. Smoker and Salas are doing impressive work with Familia out. I know it's probably going to take time (probably next year) but I look forward to the not so distant future when Conforto, Rosario, and Cecchini get the chance to play every day.
RE: Tip of the cap  
Mike in NY : 4/14/2017 9:30 am : link
In comment 13428200 Metnut said:
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to you guys who stayed up to the end. Wife was gone last night so I watched the game from the start but went to bed in the 12th.

I didn't think Gsellmen looked TOO bad. Obviously not a great outing, but he had some Marlins batters confused and the strike zone was really odd. Defense didn't help him either. I'm confident he's going to put up a better outing next time.

Glad to see TDA hitting like this. It was one of the biggest question marks of the season. If he is healthy and "good" it's worth at least a few wins.

Rivera didn't look great on defense last night. I think 2B is his best position. I wouldn't bury him over one bad game, but yea, his defense isn't good.

Wilmer had a few good ABs vs righties but just couldn't get it done vs them.


I wouldn't say the strike zone was odd per se looking at the Brooks Baseball tracker. Angel Hernandez actually had a fairly consistent zone. The problem was he was not giving the low strike to anyone that Gsellman really needs with his stuff. I also wish he would go after hitters more when he is not getting that low strike to induce weak contact. His balls have enough downward movement that if he pounded players inside he would get more hitters getting over the ball and hitting into groundouts.
I made it through the 14th  
Rob in Rockaway : 4/14/2017 9:33 am : link
and then I reasoned (correctly) that if I continued to stay up they would lose and that if I went to bed they would win.
Watched the last 5-6 innings from bed.  
arcarsenal : 4/14/2017 9:41 am : link
I was ready to go to sleep but couldn't shut it off until it ended.

Awesome TEAM win. Every single player put in some work last night.

For TdA to hit that HR after 15 innings behind the plate was also super impressive. I said in ST that I really thought this could finally be the year we saw the "real" TdA if he could just stay healthy. So far, so good. This is the guy we've been talking about all these years.

Gotta give Robles some credit - as up and down as he is, that was a fucking gutty performance on his 4th straight day of pitching. The guy came through big time for us.

Last night was also the best I've ever seen Smoker pitch. I hope he's turning a corner. If he can keep that going, he's going to be a nice piece for us.

Need Thor to go at least 7 tonight.
update on marlins man and his guests sitting behind home plate  
Eric on Li : 4/14/2017 9:44 am : link
the internet never ceases to amaze.
Meet The Girls That Marlins Man Brought To The Mets-Marlins Marathon Game - ( New Window )
Turd  
DanMetroMan : 4/14/2017 9:44 am : link
Gilmartin being called up.
RE: Turd  
Mike in NY : 4/14/2017 9:48 am : link
In comment 13428254 DanMetroMan said:
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Gilmartin being called up.


Who is getting demoted? Or are they putting Josh Edgin on the DL never to return again?
Interesting stuff Mike  
Metnut : 4/14/2017 9:49 am : link
I guess I thought he was getting squeezed but if the data says otherwise then that's that. Luckily he's working with a great pitching coach so hopefully he can make adjustments. The stuff still looked really good to me.

7 innings for Thor? How about a CG SHO!
Thor  
pjcas18 : 4/14/2017 9:52 am : link
is the arm the Mets can least afford to lose, I prefer he doesn't go into a game feeling pressure to pitch longer than he usually does.

That's how some injuries happen (just my guess, but it seems like common sense)
RE: Interesting stuff Mike  
Mike in NY : 4/14/2017 9:52 am : link
In comment 13428267 Metnut said:
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I guess I thought he was getting squeezed but if the data says otherwise then that's that. Luckily he's working with a great pitching coach so hopefully he can make adjustments. The stuff still looked really good to me.

7 innings for Thor? How about a CG SHO!


I am attaching the graph on the link below. Triangle means a pitch thrown by a Mets pitcher and Square means one thrown by a Marlin. Red are strikes and Green are balls. Especially against LHB's, pitchers were not getting low strike
LINK - ( New Window )
RE: RE: Turd  
DanMetroMan : 4/14/2017 9:54 am : link
In comment 13428262 Mike in NY said:
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Gilmartin being called up.



Who is getting demoted? Or are they putting Josh Edgin on the DL never to return again?


They haven't said yet, just that Gilmartin was told he's coming up.
Really feel that this is the year  
ZGiants98 : 4/14/2017 9:55 am : link
everything comes together. I don't even mean necessarily a WS championship (anything can happen in the postseason) but from a standpoint that the vision Sandy likely had when he came here, the top guys we've been waiting on, are all not only here, but have gotten the bumps and bruises out of the way. The deer in the headlights looks are gone. Everyone feels like they belong. I really feel if this team stays relatively healthy this engine is going to start purring.
Gilmartin is good choice  
ZGiants98 : 4/14/2017 9:56 am : link
to give us some innings at least (I know he has sucked in Vegas). Hopefully the game isnt close one way or the other.
This was a GREAT win...  
Chris684 : 4/14/2017 10:20 am : link
First of all, the Marlins are no slouch. The middle of their lineup with Yelich, Stanton, Boar and Ozuna is a major pain in the ass.

This is the type of game that good teams win and these wins build character. Offense picking up defense. Bullpen picking up starters.

It's early so I will try to remain calm but if guys like Bruce, TDA and Harvey are going to play like this, they will be better than we thought.

I would love to see Walker and Reyes pick it up and I think both Wheeler and Gsellman can pitch better than they have so far.

Let's keep it going tonight with Thor!
Marlins have a VERY good lineup  
CMicks3110 : 4/14/2017 10:23 am : link
I think Gsellman does not match up well with their htters, I expect more from him, and Wheeler looks good, just had a few bad innings. I expect those two to pitch much better. They both have excellent stuff
If Thor  
sshin05 : 4/14/2017 10:25 am : link
is on tonight (he usually is), it should relax the team today. I would play a lot of subs today because of last night's long game ie conforto, lagares, rene etc.
I think its possible  
sshin05 : 4/14/2017 10:26 am : link
that Reyes' off the field issues might be affecting his play.
I think Reyes is pressing...  
ZGiants98 : 4/14/2017 10:35 am : link
He's trying to belong in this group of star studded players... he's happy to be home and wants to impress the fans/teammates. It's not that shocking to me that he has had a slow week-10 days. Reyes used to drive everyone crazy with his cold streaks for years popping everything up, ect.... This isn't new.

The bigger problem with Reyes, for me, is that he was never as great of a hitter as people think he was. During our playoff competing years 2006-2008 and even up through 2010 he was basically a slightly above league average bat. Of course his defense and speed shot his WAR up and he was extremely valuable but he no longer is as fast and no longer provides fantastic D. Jose Reyes is a career wRC+ 104 player. That's ok for the 8 hole if he plays up to his ability. He really should be 8th though and not counted on to be some sort of dynamic player anymore.
Jose will be fine.  
arcarsenal : 4/14/2017 10:41 am : link
He's pressing right now. He's been around a long time now. He will get it going.
RE: This was a GREAT win...  
spike : 4/14/2017 10:48 am : link
In comment 13428304 Chris684 said:
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First of all, the Marlins are no slouch. The middle of their lineup with Yelich, Stanton, Boar and Ozuna is a major pain in the ass.

This is the type of game that good teams win and these wins build character. Offense picking up defense. Bullpen picking up starters.

It's early so I will try to remain calm but if guys like Bruce, TDA and Harvey are going to play like this, they will be better than we thought.

I would love to see Walker and Reyes pick it up and I think both Wheeler and Gsellman can pitch better than they have so far.

Let's keep it going tonight with Thor!


Yep. If JT realmuto was starting instead of Ellis, the outcome might have gone in the Marlins favor. He is an excellent offensive player also
7-3  
spike : 4/14/2017 10:56 am : link
Tied for theleague best record, along with the Reds and DBs
RE: Jose will be fine.  
ZGiants98 : 4/14/2017 10:56 am : link
In comment 13428346 arcarsenal said:
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He's pressing right now. He's been around a long time now. He will get it going.


+1. And the best part is he still has a very strong and accurate arm. We need that over there right now.
RE: RE: RE: Similar situation with TJ Rivera  
Section331 : 4/14/2017 11:45 am : link
In comment 13428193 ZGiants98 said:
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Yeah. Especially at 3B. I think if he's ever going to be even average there it's going to take some time. I like him better at 2B or 1B though. Either way, if he's not going to play anyway get a defensive guy like Reynolds up who can come in and help you out defensively late in a game. TJ Rivera's 4 atbats in two weeks isnt helping anybody. Just my take.


Yeah, why not put Rivera at 1B and Wilmer at 3B? I know they want to give Wilmer reps at first, but he's at least a capable 3B. Rivera is a major liability there. It's too bad, the kid can hit.
TJ Rivera can still play 2nd or 1st  
spike : 4/14/2017 11:48 am : link
.
Any word on who is pitching for marlins?  
bhill410 : 4/14/2017 11:49 am : link
(Unless I missed it above). I ask because that will largely determine who from the bench starts if you are concerned about vets being tired. Frankly, I think the late game may have actually helped out the vets as the vets are more likely to have been enjoying the nightlife so they may have actually gotten more sleep playing late.
RE: Any word on who is pitching for marlins?  
spike : 4/14/2017 11:50 am : link
In comment 13428456 bhill410 said:
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(Unless I missed it above). I ask because that will largely determine who from the bench starts if you are concerned about vets being tired. Frankly, I think the late game may have actually helped out the vets as the vets are more likely to have been enjoying the nightlife so they may have actually gotten more sleep playing late.


Edinson Volquez
Nice moment in the 16th.  
BigBlue in Keys : 4/14/2017 11:51 am : link
After going 0-7 Cabrera hits a single. He gets to first, has a big grin and raises his arms like "Yes, not 0-8!"

Great team win, everybody contributed. I gotta think that helps pull a team closer together.
against volquez  
spike : 4/14/2017 11:53 am : link
I would start

Cespedes - Conforto - Bruce

Flores - Reyes - Walker - Duda

R Rivera

Grandy is 0 for 8 against Volquez. Cabrera needs a day off
Lost in everything is TDA's resurgence...  
ZGiants98 : 4/14/2017 12:11 pm : link
It's early but TDA very well could be the best hitting catcher in baseball by years end. He has that kind of potential. He already showed "Posey like" offense in 2015 and he was just getting started. STAY HEALTHY PLEASE!
RE: Lost in everything is TDA's resurgence...  
spike : 4/14/2017 12:12 pm : link
In comment 13428505 ZGiants98 said:
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It's early but TDA very well could be the best hitting catcher in baseball by years end. He has that kind of potential. He already showed "Posey like" offense in 2015 and he was just getting started. STAY HEALTHY PLEASE!


Give K Long and TDA a ton of credit for his blazing start.
RE: RE: Lost in everything is TDA's resurgence...  
ZGiants98 : 4/14/2017 12:14 pm : link
In comment 13428506 spike said:
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In comment 13428505 ZGiants98 said:


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It's early but TDA very well could be the best hitting catcher in baseball by years end. He has that kind of potential. He already showed "Posey like" offense in 2015 and he was just getting started. STAY HEALTHY PLEASE!



Give K Long and TDA a ton of credit for his blazing start.


Im so happy TDA listened to him and got rid of the extreme wrap. Some pretty cool stories going around about how Long made him do exercises even in his house by looking in the mirror, ect. to stay balanced. Now get him the hell out of the 8 hole. he deserves some pitches to hit. Extreme hypothetical but let's say the wRC+ 130s from 2015 TDA is back....

My lineup is....

1.) Conforto CF
2.) TDA C
3.) Duda 1B
4.) Cespedes LF
5.) Bruce RF
6.) Walker
7.) Cabrera
8.) Reyes
flip flop Duda and Cespedes  
spike : 4/14/2017 12:23 pm : link
and you have a great lineup.

the Mets must be considered a real contender for the World Series.
Would  
DanMetroMan : 4/14/2017 12:25 pm : link
love for Long to somehow "fix" Wilmer vs. righties. Only thing (and it's a big one) holding him back from being a legit every day 3b option.
I dont think Wilmer will ever get enough atbats  
ZGiants98 : 4/14/2017 12:29 pm : link
here against righties to even get better if he wanted to. Still, even with everything together I think he's a wRC+105-110 guy. He should be playing on a team like the Padres. He would likely thrive.
Ehalt:  
DanMetroMan : 4/14/2017 12:32 pm : link
Nimmo "not close".
Really  
DanMetroMan : 4/14/2017 12:34 pm : link
curious what they do in CF next season. Lorenzo Cain is an obvious target for CF but he's 32 opening day next season so buyer beware. Conceivably if Nimmo and Lagares have good seasons I guess they could go with a CF platoon but both are SO injury prone that could be a disaster. FA market is pretty much void.
trade the farm for trout  
CMicks3110 : 4/14/2017 12:52 pm : link
in CF
Dan I think they  
Chris684 : 4/14/2017 12:52 pm : link
probably do have an eye on a Lagares/Nimmo platoon contingent upon healthy/somewhat productive seasons this year.

I also like the idea of moving Cabrera over to third next season to make way for Rosario and keeping Wilmer as utility IF off the bench.

TDA
Smith
Rivera/Cecchini
Rosario
Cabrera
Cespedes
Nimmo/Lagares
Conforto

Bench:
Flores
Rivera/Cecchini
Nimmo/Lagares
RE: Dan I think they  
DanMetroMan : 4/14/2017 12:55 pm : link
In comment 13428589 Chris684 said:
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probably do have an eye on a Lagares/Nimmo platoon contingent upon healthy/somewhat productive seasons this year.

I also like the idea of moving Cabrera over to third next season to make way for Rosario and keeping Wilmer as utility IF off the bench.

TDA
Smith
Rivera/Cecchini
Rosario
Cabrera
Cespedes
Nimmo/Lagares
Conforto

Bench:
Flores
Rivera/Cecchini
Nimmo/Lagares


I'm really not in favor of doing this. I'm nuts about minor leaguers but I suspect the 2018 Mets would be far WORSE than the 2017 team relying on Lagares and Nimmo + Smith + Rosario. Rosario will be the Mets SS next season however..
I wouldn't pencil in Smith just yet. There is a very legitimate chance he would represent a significant downgrade from Lucas Duda in 2018. MOST rookies struggle, now we are going to replace a few of guys like Walker, Duda, Cabrera with unproven rookies? Rosario is 1) A pretty special talent 2) Plays a position with less pressure on the bat but subtracting multiple proven MLB players for multiple unproven young guys seems like a bad bet. Maybe Smith has an incredible season and makes this moot but I think people are rushing to fit these guys in when this SHOULD be a 3-4 year run of being a contender (at minimum).


As for Nimmo/Lagares 1. Both are beyond injury prone 2. Lets see Nimmo actually hit MLB pitching before assigning ANY role for him for next year.
I tend to agree with Dan  
ZGiants98 : 4/14/2017 1:01 pm : link
Any of those guys could surprise and take a starting role next year but I doubt Sandy would go "all young". The way he's operated the last couple seasons with placeholders and depth tells me he'll want to bring a few more options into play.

If Conforto and TDA really established themselves as dependable "stars" this year though, I might change my mind a little bit. But right now the only guy we can depend on going into 2018 is Ces.
I definitely see your point...  
Chris684 : 4/14/2017 1:06 pm : link
It's probably heavy on young and inexperienced, but I do like Cabrera at 3rd.
RE: I definitely see your point...  
DanMetroMan : 4/14/2017 1:08 pm : link
In comment 13428622 Chris684 said:
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It's probably heavy on young and inexperienced, but I do like Cabrera at 3rd.


I suspect Cabrera at 3b is a very real possibility for next season. I really don't understand why the Mets talk up playing guys at other positions for it to not even happen. Reyes in the OF, TDA/Plawecki at 1b, Rivera in the OF etc. I would have given Cabrera 3b reps in ST. Would be nice to have the option of sliding Cabrera over to 3b if Rosario is destroying the ball come June/July.
Cabrera  
DanMetroMan : 4/14/2017 1:10 pm : link
should be back next season "no matter what" with that option. I'll be really bummed if he has a normal season for him and they cut bait.
RE: Cabrera  
Shecky : 4/14/2017 1:14 pm : link
In comment 13428630 DanMetroMan said:
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should be back next season "no matter what" with that option. I'll be really bummed if he has a normal season for him and they cut bait.


I'd be very surprised if he isn't brought back. Very professional, kinda old school player. Might not be the perfect influence, but a clubhouse guy they look up to and need around.
I  
DanMetroMan : 4/14/2017 1:18 pm : link
really like Cabrera. Very solid player, animated, teammates seem to like him. He's becoming one of my favorites (and I didn't particularly want him).
RE: RE: Cabrera  
spike : 4/14/2017 1:27 pm : link
In comment 13428635 Shecky said:
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In comment 13428630 DanMetroMan said:


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should be back next season "no matter what" with that option. I'll be really bummed if he has a normal season for him and they cut bait.



I'd be very surprised if he isn't brought back. Very professional, kinda old school player. Might not be the perfect influence, but a clubhouse guy they look up to and need around.


Cespedes needs a BFF when Reyes leaves. Cab fits the bill
did they ever find out why tj rivera was removed from the game  
CGiants07 : 4/14/2017 4:27 pm : link
in 4th inning?
RE: did they ever find out why tj rivera was removed from the game  
spike : 4/14/2017 4:30 pm : link
In comment 13428898 CGiants07 said:
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in 4th inning?


For swinging through 3 straight pitches with the bases loaded? I doubt he was hurt, but just wasn't any good
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