The Conforto situation sucks. I don't envy Collins. There's really no easy solution here.
Sure there is.
C'mon, this is not an easy situation to handle.
If you're going to suggest benching Granderson long-term, I don't really consider that a legitimate option. Managers don't pull the plug on vets like Granderson 2 weeks into a season- and it's not like Granderson has been perennially bad here, either.
Sitting Bruce while he's raking doesn't make sense, either.
Now we have Lagares activated to conflate the situation further.
The Conforto situation sucks. I don't envy Collins. There's really no easy solution here.
Sure there is.
C'mon, this is not an easy situation to handle.
If you're going to suggest benching Granderson long-term, I don't really consider that a legitimate option. Managers don't pull the plug on vets like Granderson 2 weeks into a season- and it's not like Granderson has been perennially bad here, either.
Sitting Bruce while he's raking doesn't make sense, either.
Now we have Lagares activated to conflate the situation further.
I'll respond in more detail in a bit but I agree and disagree with what you are saying.
For the record, I think Conforto offers more than Granderson does right now and I would like to see him play.
The thing is - managers and players, especially veteran players like Curtis who play the game the right way and are important clubhouse guys, have a certain relationship/loyalty. It's what creates respect and makes the player have the managers back.
Curtis has been here for 3+ years now, he's obviously one of the most respected guy on the team and he is still a solid ballplayer.
If this were MLB The Show, I'd just yank him and play MC more often, but I don't expect Terry to do that. He's going to continue to get Curtis in the lineup most games under the assumption that he's going to get it going at some point.
The trade route is another discussion - I think some people may say "hey, now that Bruce is hot, let's flip him," but, you're not going to fool most MLB GM's. They know what they're getting if they trade for Jay Bruce and they also know that we're trying to create a spot or MC, which would probably reduce our leverage in any type of trade discussion.
To me, it's a very difficult situation right now. I think everyone - fans, and people in the org - want to see MC play and get AB's here. But telling a guy like Granderson to take a seat for the long-haul is way easier said than done.
is wasting years of cheap service time. When does he get to play so we can learn what he is? In his walk year? So he can maybe have one good year which wouldn't be enough to justify making the effort to keep him?
is wasting years of cheap service time. When does he get to play so we can learn what he is? In his walk year? So he can maybe have one good year which wouldn't be enough to justify making the effort to keep him?
I understand this, but how to do you get him regular AB's?
I just don't agree with playing Vets just because they are vets. Granderson is serviceable, but he is clearly declining. He rarely shows up offensively until mid-may or later. He's not a great fielder and looks worse this year. Honestly, at this point in his career he should be a platoon player. Maybe borderline starter.
Conforto is a highly touted draft pick that has destroyed every level of the minors and has shown the ability to shine in the pros. And that's with TC dicking around with him.
I understand it's not an ideal situation but it also doesn't need to be this difficult. Problem is, TC is stubborn when it comes to "his" guys. Granderson can go 0 for April and May but he'll still be in the lineup everyday to play through it. Even if it's a detriment.
Conforto destroys April and then starts to slump. His playing time is immediated affected, no longer is allowed to hit against lefties, and then shipped back to the minors. Wilmer was treated the same way, probably worse.
They don't have to bench Granderson but Conforto definitely should get more playing time at Granderson's expense. TCs whole mantra of "you hit, you play" is bullshit. The fact that Conforto isn't in the lineup today because of Granderson is predictable and unfortunate. If Granderson is such a great clubhouse guy, then he should be with less playing time also.
I get it.. I just think this early in the season, it's hard to expect Collins to bench one of his vets that he's been leaning on the last few years. It's not like Granderson has been abysmal or anything, either. He's had a couple really nice years here. Sometimes as a manager, you want players to know you have their backs - it takes some pressure off and doesn't make them feel like if they don't hit a HR every time up, they're going to get benched.
We'll see how it plays out. I want MC to play just like everyone else does. I also think that Collins is in a tough situation and is trying to do right by his players. Regardless of what we think about him as a manager, the players on this team play hard for him and a lot of that is because they respect him. So, it's a slippery slope.
And just like that, Curtis comes through and drives in the tying run....
is I have no idea if Conforto can play CF yet. He hasn't really been tested and he has about 3-4 starts in his entire career/minors and college too! I know Granderson is below average-ish but at least he has a career of reading routes, ect. out there.
If I knew Conforto could legitimately handle it Id probably be more on board but he looks like our future RF to me.
is I have no idea if Conforto can play CF yet. He hasn't really been tested and he has about 3-4 starts in his entire career/minors and college too! I know Granderson is below average-ish but at least he has a career of reading routes, ect. out there.
If I knew Conforto could legitimately handle it Id probably be more on board but he looks like our future RF to me.
I agree - this is the other issue. Curtis is no great shakes out in the field but he has tons of MLB experience playing CF. Conforto does not.
He does have a ton of experience and has earned the right to play. And I want it to come across like I hate the guy. I love Curtis and he has produced more here than I thought he would. Anyway, it is what it is.
At that pace...
Would've loved to see him get another start tonight. Hopefully Granderson and Bruce rake a bit tonight and we end up having a nice OF competition.
Did anyone call him out about saying Conforto would never bat lead-off?
1) Conforto/CF
2) Cabrera/SS
3) Cespedes/LF
4) Bruce/RF
5) Flores/3B
6) Duda/1B
7) TdA/C
8) Rivera/2B
9) Gsellman/P
Sure there is.
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The Conforto situation sucks. I don't envy Collins. There's really no easy solution here.
Sure there is.
C'mon, this is not an easy situation to handle.
If you're going to suggest benching Granderson long-term, I don't really consider that a legitimate option. Managers don't pull the plug on vets like Granderson 2 weeks into a season- and it's not like Granderson has been perennially bad here, either.
Sitting Bruce while he's raking doesn't make sense, either.
Now we have Lagares activated to conflate the situation further.
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The Conforto situation sucks. I don't envy Collins. There's really no easy solution here.
Sure there is.
C'mon, this is not an easy situation to handle.
If you're going to suggest benching Granderson long-term, I don't really consider that a legitimate option. Managers don't pull the plug on vets like Granderson 2 weeks into a season- and it's not like Granderson has been perennially bad here, either.
Sitting Bruce while he's raking doesn't make sense, either.
Now we have Lagares activated to conflate the situation further.
I'll respond in more detail in a bit but I agree and disagree with what you are saying.
The thing is - managers and players, especially veteran players like Curtis who play the game the right way and are important clubhouse guys, have a certain relationship/loyalty. It's what creates respect and makes the player have the managers back.
Curtis has been here for 3+ years now, he's obviously one of the most respected guy on the team and he is still a solid ballplayer.
If this were MLB The Show, I'd just yank him and play MC more often, but I don't expect Terry to do that. He's going to continue to get Curtis in the lineup most games under the assumption that he's going to get it going at some point.
The trade route is another discussion - I think some people may say "hey, now that Bruce is hot, let's flip him," but, you're not going to fool most MLB GM's. They know what they're getting if they trade for Jay Bruce and they also know that we're trying to create a spot or MC, which would probably reduce our leverage in any type of trade discussion.
To me, it's a very difficult situation right now. I think everyone - fans, and people in the org - want to see MC play and get AB's here. But telling a guy like Granderson to take a seat for the long-haul is way easier said than done.
Lagares was already activated. Sewald got sent back to LV.
I understand this, but how to do you get him regular AB's?
Bruce would DH every day.
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I would play COnforto to get Bruce and Cespedes a day off this weekend.
Lagares was already activated. Sewald got sent back to LV.
so MC gets another week until Familia returns on February 20
Conforto is a highly touted draft pick that has destroyed every level of the minors and has shown the ability to shine in the pros. And that's with TC dicking around with him.
I understand it's not an ideal situation but it also doesn't need to be this difficult. Problem is, TC is stubborn when it comes to "his" guys. Granderson can go 0 for April and May but he'll still be in the lineup everyday to play through it. Even if it's a detriment.
Conforto destroys April and then starts to slump. His playing time is immediated affected, no longer is allowed to hit against lefties, and then shipped back to the minors. Wilmer was treated the same way, probably worse.
They don't have to bench Granderson but Conforto definitely should get more playing time at Granderson's expense. TCs whole mantra of "you hit, you play" is bullshit. The fact that Conforto isn't in the lineup today because of Granderson is predictable and unfortunate. If Granderson is such a great clubhouse guy, then he should be with less playing time also.
We'll see how it plays out. I want MC to play just like everyone else does. I also think that Collins is in a tough situation and is trying to do right by his players. Regardless of what we think about him as a manager, the players on this team play hard for him and a lot of that is because they respect him. So, it's a slippery slope.
And just like that, Curtis comes through and drives in the tying run....
If I knew Conforto could legitimately handle it Id probably be more on board but he looks like our future RF to me.
I was just going to mention this - the one in the burgundy or brown top has HUGE cans.
If I knew Conforto could legitimately handle it Id probably be more on board but he looks like our future RF to me.
I agree - this is the other issue. Curtis is no great shakes out in the field but he has tons of MLB experience playing CF. Conforto does not.
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great racks behind home plate. Only adding to the fun.
I was just going to mention this - the one in the burgundy or brown top has HUGE cans.
You ain't kidding...you think Marlins Man is paying for that?
The crazy thing is I think a healthy Duda could too. Gonna be a fun year if we stay healthy.
Nibbling way too much