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NY Post- 'Proof Eli Manning Was in on Memorabilia Scheme'

Suburbanites : 4/13/2017 5:25 pm
Can Eli be this foolish? These guys are known sleazes, why would he want anything to do with them? The Post isn't the most reputable newspaper in the world, not that any of them are these days, but if true this is very disappointing. The haters are going to have a lot of fun with this one.
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This story  
Tim in Eternal Blue : 4/13/2017 5:26 pm : link
Is 3 years old
If that exchange is their most damning evidence, this is a waste of  
Devon : 4/13/2017 5:27 pm : link
time even in a civil court.
No  
Torrag : 4/13/2017 5:27 pm : link
.
One  
Torrag : 4/13/2017 5:27 pm : link
.
Cares  
Torrag : 4/13/2017 5:27 pm : link
.
So much to unwrap there  
bceagle05 : 4/13/2017 5:28 pm : link
including Eli using an AOL email address.
MemorabiliaGate.  
bceagle05 : 4/13/2017 5:29 pm : link
Goodell's gonna suspend him four games. Better trade up for Trubisky.
I guess if true it is disappointing  
odunde : 4/13/2017 5:30 pm : link
But the only thing this article does right is put proof in quotes.
Steiner Sports is brutal.  
bceagle05 : 4/13/2017 5:32 pm : link
They must've sold each blade of grass at the old Yankee Stadium on an individual basis. They're a big force behind all these God-awful farewell/retirement tours.
really  
gidiefor : Mod : 4/13/2017 5:33 pm : link
that's evidence of an attempt to defraud?

I sincerely doubt it.

He asked for stuff that "could pass as game worn"

how is that proof of fraud?
Cynic All You Want  
Suburbanites : 4/13/2017 5:33 pm : link
It happened 7 years ago, but the Eli emails are just surfacing now and it looks pretty apparent he knowingly participated in this thing. All I'm saying is it's disappointing and yes I'm a little concerned that now that Eli is tied to this thing there could be some ramifications.
That e-mail doesn't prove anything......  
Dry Lightning : 4/13/2017 5:35 pm : link
Sounds to me he is asking for legitimate game used stuff that can pass as game used under whatever specs they have to pass for. It is a ridiculous lawsuit and Eli and the Giants have done nothing wrong. The individual who brought the suit needs to be sanctioned by the courts for bringing in such frivolous nonsense.
Because if you try to pass something off as "game worn"  
Dave in Hoboken : 4/13/2017 5:38 pm : link
to clients, but it really isn't, and you're asking people to find something that can "pass as game used", well, there you go?
This is very weak Proof.  
shelovesnycsports : 4/13/2017 5:40 pm : link
That Tex can be taken a few way and a good lawyer will do just that.
There are no ramifications.  
Devon : 4/13/2017 5:41 pm : link
This exchange is purposely being put out there by the plaintiff's lawyer in the most negative spin it can be and it's still inconclusive as to what was actually exchanged materially.

Eli isn't some noble saint like some want him to be, but if this is all they've got on him in this scheme, this is a waste of time (and money) by the courts.
I'll Stop Being Fraidy Scared  
Suburbanites : 4/13/2017 5:43 pm : link
And stand down and hope this just goes away. I just didn't like what I read today, that's all. There have been very few athletes who've come through this market that I have more personal respect for than Eli. Even as a 29 year old I wouldn't have expected him in anyway being involved with what I consider a very shady subculture like the memorabilia sleazes. They remind me of people that used to be in the payphone or vending machine industry.
RE: really  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 4/13/2017 5:44 pm : link
In comment 13427595 gidiefor said:
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He asked for stuff that "could pass as game worn"

how is that proof of fraud?


ITA. The lawyers jump several steps from what Eli said.
RE: There are no ramifications.  
Suburbanites : 4/13/2017 5:45 pm : link
In comment 13427609 Devon said:
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This exchange is purposely being put out there by the plaintiff's lawyer in the most negative spin it can be and it's still inconclusive as to what was actually exchanged materially.

Eli isn't some noble saint like some want him to be, but if this is all they've got on him in this scheme, this is a waste of time (and money) by the courts.
And admittedly I'm one of those guilty of seeing him as a noble saint or at least something very close to that.
That's some seriously stupid shit  
Rflairr : 4/13/2017 5:49 pm : link
For Eli to be involved in. Hell was he thinking
RE: RE: There are no ramifications.  
shelovesnycsports : 4/13/2017 5:49 pm : link
In comment 13427617 Suburbanites said:
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In comment 13427609 Devon said:


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This exchange is purposely being put out there by the plaintiff's lawyer in the most negative spin it can be and it's still inconclusive as to what was actually exchanged materially.

Eli isn't some noble saint like some want him to be, but if this is all they've got on him in this scheme, this is a waste of time (and money) by the courts.

And admittedly I'm one of those guilty of seeing him as a noble saint or at least something very close to that.


In game threads you seemed to not like manning at all last year.
Unless there were millions at stake  
mrvax : 4/13/2017 5:49 pm : link
it's hard to see anyone with Eli's sort of wealth taking part in any small time bullshit.
well...  
Sasuke : 4/13/2017 5:50 pm : link
At least Eli didn't damage his computer or delete his emails and drag this out in federal court while claiming innocence....

Something to take away from all this.
Inselberg's lawyers said  
BBelle21 : 4/13/2017 5:51 pm : link
“I do give Eli and his lawyers credit for not destroying evidence.”

Well, why would Eli destroy it? It looks like he did nothing wrong. The Post is awful. Guess this case is coming to a head if Eli sent in the emails this week.
RE: RE: RE: There are no ramifications.  
Suburbanites : 4/13/2017 5:52 pm : link
In comment 13427627 shelovesnycsports said:
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In comment 13427617 Suburbanites said:


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In comment 13427609 Devon said:


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This exchange is purposely being put out there by the plaintiff's lawyer in the most negative spin it can be and it's still inconclusive as to what was actually exchanged materially.

Eli isn't some noble saint like some want him to be, but if this is all they've got on him in this scheme, this is a waste of time (and money) by the courts.

And admittedly I'm one of those guilty of seeing him as a noble saint or at least something very close to that.



In game threads you seemed to not like manning at all last year.


Are you talking to me? I didn't even join this board until the season was almost over and never once had anything negative to say about Eli.
RE: well...  
Devon : 4/13/2017 5:59 pm : link
In comment 13427630 Sasuke said:
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At least Eli didn't damage his computer or delete his emails and drag this out in federal court while claiming innocence....

Something to take away from all this.


Can this political bait be enough to ban this dupe already?

Anyway:

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In a statement, lawyers for the Giants said: “The email, taken out of context, was shared with the media by an unscrupulous memorabilia dealer and his counsel who for years has been seeking to leverage a big payday.”

“The email predates any litigation, and there was no legal obligation to store it on the Giants server,” the statement added.
This is a try at a money grab  
shelovesnycsports : 4/13/2017 6:01 pm : link
I can see the lawyers for the Giants and Eli tearing up these guys in court because who would settle with this flimsy case of cell phone Texts? Serious this is just a sleazy attorney trying to get a payday on an athletes good name.
I may be approaching this with Giants colored glasses  
Matt M. : 4/13/2017 6:01 pm : link
but to me that is Eli asking for game worn helmets. I would guess that asking for something to pass as game worn is likely asking it to meet whatever criteria the memorabilia world requires. There is nothing there even hinting at an attempt to defraud anyone or participation in any scheme. There is also nothing but history of being a more than upstanding citizen.

If I had to guess, this was a failed attempt to extort Eli and the Giants and Steiner. So the next move is to sue and hope they settle rather than get dragged to court. Obviously, this email didn't scare anyone off.
I don't think people even read the article.  
Dave in Hoboken : 4/13/2017 6:06 pm : link
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“2 helmets that can pass as game used. That is it. Eli,” Manning allegedly responded from his BlackBerry at 2:08 p.m.


Pretty damning, tbh.

RE: RE: well...  
Sasuke : 4/13/2017 6:20 pm : link
In comment 13427645 Devon said:
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In comment 13427630 Sasuke said:


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At least Eli didn't damage his computer or delete his emails and drag this out in federal court while claiming innocence....

Something to take away from all this.



Can this political bait be enough to ban this dupe already?

Anyway:



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In a statement, lawyers for the Giants said: “The email, taken out of context, was shared with the media by an unscrupulous memorabilia dealer and his counsel who for years has been seeking to leverage a big payday.”

“The email predates any litigation, and there was no legal obligation to store it on the Giants server,” the statement added.



how is a reference to Tom Brady damaging his phone/ getting rid of evidence and dragging out a process of appeals in federal court... a political bait?

RE: I don't think people even read the article.  
shelovesnycsports : 4/13/2017 6:32 pm : link
In comment 13427658 Dave in Hoboken said:
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“2 helmets that can pass as game used. That is it. Eli,” Manning allegedly responded from his BlackBerry at 2:08 p.m.



Pretty damning, tbh.

Helmets can mean anything, code word, Baseball batting helmet,a prophylactic? A lawyer can have a ball with this. Game can mean anything? A Date, Could be locker room lingo.
could even be talking gaming terms.
Not good.  
lawguy9801 : 4/13/2017 6:38 pm : link
I don't think the emails show that Eli intended to defraud Steiner, but that he didn't care whether or not the equipment he gave to Steiner actually was game-used. It might have been, it might not have been - it's not proof that anything Skiba gave over actually was not game-used, but it certainly raises a lot of questions.

Those of you blowing this off are looking at this with rose-colored glasses. Eli has some explaining to do.
RE: RE: I don't think people even read the article.  
Sasuke : 4/13/2017 6:42 pm : link
In comment 13427690 shelovesnycsports said:
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In comment 13427658 Dave in Hoboken said:


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“2 helmets that can pass as game used. That is it. Eli,” Manning allegedly responded from his BlackBerry at 2:08 p.m.



Pretty damning, tbh.



Helmets can mean anything, code word, Baseball batting helmet,a prophylactic? A lawyer can have a ball with this. Game can mean anything? A Date, Could be locker room lingo.
could even be talking gaming terms.


you are being ridiculous, while i agree this stuff has no merit to an actual racketeering scheme and Eli's defense lawyers would laugh at this.

if the texts are real, the went to joe skiba who is the equipment manager for a football team. he sent that message after getting a message about acquiring game used memorabilia.

RE: RE: RE: well...  
Sasuke : 4/13/2017 6:44 pm : link
In comment 13427673 Sasuke said:
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In comment 13427645 Devon said:


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In comment 13427630 Sasuke said:


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At least Eli didn't damage his computer or delete his emails and drag this out in federal court while claiming innocence....

Something to take away from all this.



Can this political bait be enough to ban this dupe already?

Anyway:



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In a statement, lawyers for the Giants said: “The email, taken out of context, was shared with the media by an unscrupulous memorabilia dealer and his counsel who for years has been seeking to leverage a big payday.”

“The email predates any litigation, and there was no legal obligation to store it on the Giants server,” the statement added.





how is a reference to Tom Brady damaging his phone/ getting rid of evidence and dragging out a process of appeals in federal court... a political bait?


WAITING...
Would be nice if The Post  
BBelle21 : 4/13/2017 6:44 pm : link
Had quotes from the Giants lawyers and Eli's lawyers for once. Everything always coming out from Inselberg's side.
RE: Would be nice if The Post  
Suburbanites : 4/13/2017 7:01 pm : link
In comment 13427703 BBelle21 said:
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Had quotes from the Giants lawyers and Eli's lawyers for once. Everything always coming out from Inselberg's side.


Here's a quote from Karen Kessler a Spokeswoman for the the Giants law firm McCarter and English. Courtesy of the NYDN.

“The email, taken out of context, was shared with the media by an unscrupulous memorabilia dealer and his counsel who for years has been seeking to leverage a big payday,” Karen Kessler said in a statement. “The email predates any litigation, and there was no legal obligation to store it on the Giants server.

Eli Manning is well known for his integrity and this is just the latest misguided attempt to defame his character,” she added.
Surbanites  
BBelle21 : 4/13/2017 7:08 pm : link
Thank you. Is she one of the lawyers?
RE: Surbanites  
Suburbanites : 4/13/2017 7:09 pm : link
In comment 13427725 BBelle21 said:
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Thank you. Is she one of the lawyers?


No she's a spokesperson for the firm.
Not going to sugarcoat this...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 4/13/2017 7:11 pm : link
This doesn't look or sound good.
"Could pass as game used" can mean a bunch of different things.  
Britt in VA : 4/13/2017 7:16 pm : link
Is it game used if it's a preseason game?

Is it game used if it was a preseason game that he didn't play in, but was issued a helmet while he stood on the sideline?

Is it game used if he wore it in a scrimmage in practice?

game "used" is a really, really loose term.
from the article  
oghwga : 4/13/2017 7:19 pm : link
Inselberg’s co-plaintiffs include diehard Giants fan Michael Jakab, who shelled out $4,300 for a helmet purportedly worn by Manning during the team’s 2007 Super Bowl season — but which he claims is really just a “$4,000 paperweight.”


IMO that's what it was when he bought it. I don't get the desire of grown men to pay a premium to own clothing worn by other grown men.

Autographs, pictures, the whole thing should die out by the time you're 12.
Suburbanites  
BBelle21 : 4/13/2017 7:20 pm : link
Ok. Thank you. TBH, I still don't see anything different from when the story first came out three years ago. The emails are never shown within its proper context, just in these cryptic little sound bites. Eli handed over his emails last week. It just feels like Inselberg's side is hoping for a big payday played out publically. Eli cares a great deal about his reputation especially to the fans. Like I said, I'm heavily partial to Eli, but even still, it all seems pretty flimsy.
If Eli sat on a helmet  
tomjgiant : 4/13/2017 7:58 pm : link
on the sidelines during the game would that count as game used?
If Eli sat on a helmet  
tomjgiant : 4/13/2017 8:00 pm : link
on the sidelines during a game would that count as game used?
RE: Not going to sugarcoat this...  
Matt M. : 4/13/2017 8:44 pm : link
In comment 13427729 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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This doesn't look or sound good.
How so? The email shows nothing.
RE: I don't think people even read the article.  
Matt M. : 4/13/2017 8:45 pm : link
In comment 13427658 Dave in Hoboken said:
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“2 helmets that can pass as game used. That is it. Eli,” Manning allegedly responded from his BlackBerry at 2:08 p.m.



Pretty damning, tbh.
How is that damning?
As I stated earlier  
Matt M. : 4/13/2017 8:48 pm : link
"pass" for game used could very likely be referring to meeting criteria generally accepted in the memorabilia world as game used.
LOL  
pjcas18 : 4/13/2017 8:53 pm : link
sure, that's what he meant.

If it was Tom Brady, what do you think that statement would have meant?
Read Jacobs' instagram post about Eli  
David in LA : 4/13/2017 9:02 pm : link
"Don't believe this horse shit about 10. Other than some dirty pranks this guy don't have a bad bone in his body. Eli is as wholesome as they come lol. This guy made so much damn money playing football and he still drives a damn free Toyota lol. It's all a bunch of horse shit lol!!!"
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Can't see Eli being involved in something nefarious  
ChathamMark : 4/13/2017 9:14 pm : link
My guess is give me something that was actually used in a game, and does show some game use. A scratch, grass stain, etc. Not a brand new helmet worn in a game by a guy in a game that was only on kickoffs and didn't hit anyone.
RE: Can't see Eli being involved in something nefarious  
pjcas18 : 4/13/2017 9:20 pm : link
In comment 13427885 ChathamMark said:
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My guess is give me something that was actually used in a game, and does show some game use. A scratch, grass stain, etc. Not a brand new helmet worn in a game by a guy in a game that was only on kickoffs and didn't hit anyone.


You do understand these were allegedly Eli Manning game used items, correct? That's the only reason Eli was even involved at any level.
No one tells it quite like Brandon Jacobs lol.  
BBelle21 : 4/13/2017 9:28 pm : link
I miss him. I remember his epic interview after the Jets game roasting Rex Ryan. The look on Sal Paolantonio's face was priceless.
There's really not enough evidence in this for anybody to say anything  
an_idol_mind : 4/13/2017 9:54 pm : link
with conviction.

Eli's not necessarily a saint, but unless something else surfaces about this, I don't see that there's a lot there.
RE: RE: I don't think people even read the article.  
Dave in Hoboken : 4/13/2017 9:58 pm : link
In comment 13427850 Matt M. said:
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In comment 13427658 Dave in Hoboken said:


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“2 helmets that can pass as game used. That is it. Eli,” Manning allegedly responded from his BlackBerry at 2:08 p.m.



Pretty damning, tbh.


How is that damning?


Because he's looking for something "that can pass as game-worn"....

....

...
maybe its me  
tikimvp : 4/13/2017 10:00 pm : link
but this is the dumbest fucking thing. who the fuck cares
RE: RE: RE: I don't think people even read the article.  
an_idol_mind : 4/13/2017 10:06 pm : link
In comment 13427935 Dave in Hoboken said:

Because he's looking for something "that can pass as game-worn"....

....

... [/quote]

That's not good, but I wouldn't call it damning. If you're looking to form a value judgment on somebody, pulling out one sentence fragment is probably not enough to go on.

There could very well be more to this than that, but since 2014, none of the leaks involved in this case have shown anything approaching hard evidence.
*Sigh*  
LakeGeorgeGiant : 4/13/2017 10:28 pm : link
Let's think about this for a second.

Eli Manning makes 21 million frikkin dollars a year. Just let that sink in for a second...Got it? Ok.

Now, a couple of you believe he was involved in some slimy scheme to defraud collectors into buying $4,000 non-game-worn helmets disguised as game-worn? Is that right?

Since this guy can wipe his ass with hundred dollar bills for the rest of his life and still die wealthy beyond comprehension I'm going to have to say this is utter nonsense.

Use your heads.
RE: from the article  
TJ : 4/13/2017 10:32 pm : link
In comment 13427739 oghwga said:
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Inselberg’s co-plaintiffs include diehard Giants fan Michael Jakab, who shelled out $4,300 for a helmet purportedly worn by Manning during the team’s 2007 Super Bowl season — but which he claims is really just a “$4,000 paperweight.”


IMO that's what it was when he bought it.


The memorabilia / celebrity market has always mystified me too. Whatever makes this stuff valuable to people just goes right over my head.
RE: *Sigh*  
dpinzow : 4/13/2017 11:03 pm : link
In comment 13427977 LakeGeorgeGiant said:
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Let's think about this for a second.

Eli Manning makes 21 million frikkin dollars a year. Just let that sink in for a second...Got it? Ok.

Now, a couple of you believe he was involved in some slimy scheme to defraud collectors into buying $4,000 non-game-worn helmets disguised as game-worn? Is that right?

Since this guy can wipe his ass with hundred dollar bills for the rest of his life and still die wealthy beyond comprehension I'm going to have to say this is utter nonsense.

Use your heads.


Eli most likely doesn't defraud people but there are many people out there who make more money than him who defraud the little guy over four and five figures sums, so that's not the argument I'd use to defend Eli
How do they know these were not older game helmets?  
montanagiant : 4/13/2017 11:34 pm : link
That email proves ssquat
Bad move by Eli if true BUT  
DennyInDenville : 4/13/2017 11:48 pm : link
I think Eli wanted these game warn pieces for his own collection which imo is his right.
Huge difference  
Bama Bish : 4/14/2017 12:01 am : link
Pass as

Pass [off] as

From this, [off] can't be inserted for certain. You have to have an active imagination to insert this without hesitation. This isn't politics where you can just imagine what you want.

RE: RE: *Sigh*  
Ten Ton Hammer : 4/14/2017 12:32 am : link
In comment 13428005 dpinzow said:
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In comment 13427977 LakeGeorgeGiant said:


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Let's think about this for a second.

Eli Manning makes 21 million frikkin dollars a year. Just let that sink in for a second...Got it? Ok.

Now, a couple of you believe he was involved in some slimy scheme to defraud collectors into buying $4,000 non-game-worn helmets disguised as game-worn? Is that right?

Since this guy can wipe his ass with hundred dollar bills for the rest of his life and still die wealthy beyond comprehension I'm going to have to say this is utter nonsense.

Use your heads.



Eli most likely doesn't defraud people but there are many people out there who make more money than him who defraud the little guy over four and five figures sums, so that's not the argument I'd use to defend Eli


The argument to defend him should be his character record. You don't need much more than that.

Mr. Manning, 34, reflected on the events of nearly a decade ago on a recent morning while en route to Jackson, Miss., home of the Blair E. Batson Hospital for Children, the only hospital in the state devoted to pediatrics. In 2007, Mr. Manning undertook a campaign to raise $2.5 million to construct the Eli Manning Children’s Clinic, which offers outpatient services as well as acute care to more than 75,000 children in Mississippi each year. He ran up the score, exceeding his goal by $400,000.



New York Giants quarterback Eli Manning and his wife, Abby, have pledged $1 million to the Children's of Mississippi $100 million capital campaign.

It’s not the first time the Mannings will donate their time and money to the University of Mississippi Medical Center. They donated and helped raise $2.5 million in partnership with the Friends of Children's Hospital to open the Eli Manning Children's Clinics at Batson Children's Hospital. The clinics opened in 2009.


In recognition of his charitable work in the community, the Giants’ two-time Super Bowl MVP quarterback was recently named on the New York Observer’s list of “Top 20 Philanthropists Under 40.”

While I recognize that the world is a pretty jaded and skeptical place, I'm siding with this guy over some memorabilia hacks.








...  
Peppers : 4/14/2017 12:48 am : link
I have an Eli Manning signed football anyone want to buy it?
Eli and our equipment guys  
LCtheINTMachine : 4/14/2017 1:11 am : link
are cheats like Brady and his guys with the Pats.

It's the sign of a great organization!
There will be some red faces  
Blackbeard : 4/14/2017 1:24 am : link
when the truth comes out.
Anyone who believes that Eli Manning, a multi-millionaire,
would be so stupid as to get involved with those sleazebags
should trade in his brain for a pile of dogshit and be
happy with the improvement.
Move on just more of this ....  
Sec 103 : 4/14/2017 7:30 am : link
I make my living off the evening news
Just give me something
Something I can use
People love it when you lose
They love dirty laundry

Well, I coulda been an actor
But I wound up here
I just have to look good
I don't have to be clear
Come and whisper in my ear
Give us dirty laundry

Kick 'em when they're up
Kick 'em when they're down
Kick 'em when they're up
Kick 'em when they're down

Kick 'em when they're up
Kick 'em when they're down
Kick 'em when they're up
Kick 'em all around

We got the bubble headed
Bleached blonde
Comes on at five
She can tell you 'bout the plane crash
With a gleam in her eye
It's interesting when people die
Give us dirty laundry

Can we film the operation
Is the head dead yet
You know the boys in the newsroom
Got a running bet
Get the widow on the set
We need dirty laundry

You don't really need to find out
What's going on
You don't really want to know
Just how far it's gone
Just leave well enough alone
Eat your dirty laundry

Kick 'em when they're up
Kick 'em when they're down
Kick 'em when they're up
Kick 'em when they're down

Kick 'em when they're up
Kick 'em when they're down
Kick 'em when they're stiff
Kick 'em all around

Dirty little secrets
Dirty little lies
We got our dirty little fingers
In everybody's pie
We love to cut you down to size
We love dirty laundry

We can do the Innuendo
We can dance and sing
When it's said and done
We haven't told you a thing
We all know that Crap is King
Give us dirty laundry

How about this  
blueblood'11 : 4/14/2017 7:35 am : link
Maybe Eli and the Giants just got tired of hearing from these hacks who want to make money off them and gave them what they wanted in part just to shut them up and get them off their backs.

Like it's been said in a previous post he has more money then he needs to live out the rest of his life why would he need to knowingly be involved in a scheme that would garner chump change unneeded suspicion and consequences.
Segment coming up  
markky : 4/14/2017 7:45 am : link
On tv morning news here in Boston. It must suck being famous.
Game used?  
SHO'NUFF : 4/14/2017 8:05 am : link
A whole game? A half? One series?

Maybe Eli meant "qualify" as game used, instead of "pass off"...I'm the first one to admit that I don't use proper grammar or terminology when I talk to my buddies. I certainly don't treat every discussion like it will be picked apart in a court of law.
Eli's wealth and philanthropy don't serve as a perfect defense.  
an_idol_mind : 4/14/2017 9:04 am : link
Plenty of wealthy, giving people do stupid shit like this for reasons I can't begin to explain. In Eli's case, it's possible that he wanted to keep the actual articles for himself and thus made a dumb decision.

That said, a single email, especially one as vague as this one, doesn't constitute legitimate evidence against him. There's way too much room for doubt in what has been leaked to the public.

Unfortunately, the trial for this is set to begin in September. As a fan, I'd be pretty happy if the Giants settled it out of court just so it doesn't become a distraction during the season.
the phrase "could pass for" does look shady  
Greg from LI : 4/14/2017 9:11 am : link
But that seems to the extent of the supposed "evidence". That's basically nothing and it strains credulity to believe that Eli, who is immensely rich and has a spotless reputation, would bother with some minor league memorabilia scam. Doesn't mean it couldn't happen, but seems highly unlikely, and it would take a helluva lot more than one suspect phrase in one e-mail to make a case for it.
Delusional  
Pete in VA : 4/14/2017 9:18 am : link
"Pass off" means what you've always known it means -- not the actual jersey he wore, but could credibly be made to appear to be the real thing.

Eli made a mistake. Of course he didn't need the money, but he wanted the real thing for himself, and he had a contract with Steiner to fulfill. He figured no harm no foul, no one would know better.

Now none of this means that a jury will take the plaintiff's side. It's a huge advantage in litigation to be Eli Manning. The jury will likely not be asked to make a specific finding on the issue of whether his jerseys are fake, so he'll likely get past this without a scratch.
Pete in Va  
BBelle21 : 4/14/2017 9:27 am : link
Eli never wrote pass off. He wrote, "2 helmets that can pass as game used." He was asking specifically for game used items. This doesn't seem like adequate proof of guilt or even intent. Idk.
"Pass as"  
Pete in VA : 4/14/2017 9:46 am : link
Same difference. "Pass as" does not mean it IS something. It means IT IS NOT, but that its appearance could make it appear to be that thing. This is so obvious. Denial is a powerful thing.
RE: really  
EricJ : 4/14/2017 9:51 am : link
In comment 13427595 gidiefor said:
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that's evidence of an attempt to defraud?

I sincerely doubt it.

He asked for stuff that "could pass as game worn"

how is that proof of fraud?


I don't think that is proof at all. However, taking Eli out of this for a second. A jersey or helmet was either worn in a game or wasn't. Not sure how or why something could "pass" for game worn without actually being worn in a game. If the discussions are to that level now, then maybe the whole thing really is some kind of industry scam (not Eli per-se).

Quite honestly, I think the whole memorabilia thing is just stupid. People paying ridiculous sums for this shit is just laughable.
Pete in Va  
BBelle21 : 4/14/2017 10:13 am : link
I disagree. Game used items can't look brand new brand. I assume the buyer has certain expectations when they're buying a game used item. Eli asking for something that passes as game used does not prove any intent to defraud buyers. Not sure what is delusional about maintaining skepticism here.
I don't think  
PaulBlakeTSU : 4/14/2017 10:14 am : link
making fun of the fans who shell out for the memorabilia in cases like this should be celebrated here. If Eli (or the Giants) were complicit in this, then it is very, very disappointing, particularly for Eli.

Again, this is IF Eli did it (which I've yet to be convinced). Some of these are die-hard fans who are willing to spend a lot of their hard-earned money so that they can have what they think is a helmet or jersey worn by an iconic player in a game. Maybe it's for their kids. To think that Eli, who has made over $200 million in salary alone, may have helped defraud the guy because he didn't want to part with a $4000 helmet, would really bother me as a big "fuck you" to the fans.

It doesn't mean Eli set out to hatch some nefarious nickel-and-dime plot, but it would indicate a lack of caring for some of the ver fans who live and breathe with the Giants.

But after what Jacobs has said, there seems to be smoke collecting around Joe Skiba and his equipment practices, more so than just the litigious claims of a memorabilia dealer. The Giants should investigate this thoroughly to make sure they aren't supporting an employee helping rip off fans.
Eric  
Pete in VA : 4/14/2017 10:15 am : link
Assuming patches are properly sewn on, the difference in appearance would be zilch, unless the game-worn one had stains or dirt that could be shown on video. I'm sure they have spare jerseys. Probably not too hard to replicate stains if one had to.
RE: I don't think  
an_idol_mind : 4/14/2017 10:27 am : link
In comment 13428297 PaulBlakeTSU said:
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making fun of the fans who shell out for the memorabilia in cases like this should be celebrated here. If Eli (or the Giants) were complicit in this, then it is very, very disappointing, particularly for Eli.

Again, this is IF Eli did it (which I've yet to be convinced). Some of these are die-hard fans who are willing to spend a lot of their hard-earned money so that they can have what they think is a helmet or jersey worn by an iconic player in a game. Maybe it's for their kids. To think that Eli, who has made over $200 million in salary alone, may have helped defraud the guy because he didn't want to part with a $4000 helmet, would really bother me as a big "fuck you" to the fans.

It doesn't mean Eli set out to hatch some nefarious nickel-and-dime plot, but it would indicate a lack of caring for some of the ver fans who live and breathe with the Giants.

But after what Jacobs has said, there seems to be smoke collecting around Joe Skiba and his equipment practices, more so than just the litigious claims of a memorabilia dealer. The Giants should investigate this thoroughly to make sure they aren't supporting an employee helping rip off fans.


Per an ESPN article this morning, the Giants did investigate this back in 2011.
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RE:  
Tesla : 4/14/2017 10:29 am : link
In comment 13428256 Pete in VA said:
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Same difference. "Pass as" does not mean it IS something. It means IT IS NOT, but that its appearance could make it appear to be that thing. This is so obvious. Denial is a powerful thing.


Seriously....how is this even in question? It's patently obvious what happened here....Eli's agent reminded him that he owed 2 game used helmets to Steiner, and he then proceeded to ask Skiba if he had two helmets that he could pass off as being game used.

I don't think this is really a big deal at all......this is hardly a crime against humanity here. Eli tried to pass off a couple of helmets as game used to fulfill his deal with Steiner.....no big deal. But the way you guys are bending over backwards to deny what is obvious is really hilarious.
RE: Eli's wealth and philanthropy don't serve as a perfect defense.  
dpinzow : 4/14/2017 10:35 am : link
In comment 13428179 an_idol_mind said:
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Plenty of wealthy, giving people do stupid shit like this for reasons I can't begin to explain. In Eli's case, it's possible that he wanted to keep the actual articles for himself and thus made a dumb decision.

That said, a single email, especially one as vague as this one, doesn't constitute legitimate evidence against him. There's way too much room for doubt in what has been leaked to the public.

Unfortunately, the trial for this is set to begin in September. As a fan, I'd be pretty happy if the Giants settled it out of court just so it doesn't become a distraction during the season.


True. It's a better defense than saying that rich people have no reason to defraud people because they can wipe their behind with Benjamins, but the best defense is always the truth
Pass as  
PaulBlakeTSU : 4/14/2017 10:49 am : link
doesn't necessarily mean fake.

Hypothetically, let's say you wanted to get a driver's license in New Jersey, which requires a person to bring "6 Ponts" worth of identification, with various documents qualifying in different ways (current driver's license, passport, Social Security Card, utility bills) and things that wouldn't work (library card, credit card).

If you were texting someone about going to the DMV and casually texted "bring things that will pass as ID," I don't see why that has to be interpreted as "bring fake ID" and not "bring things that are considered acceptable forms of ID."

exactly,  
Britt in VA : 4/14/2017 10:57 am : link
it could be argued quite easily that "pass" equals "qualify" as many here have stated.

Secondly, in reading the articles this morning, how do we know that the two items in question were known to Manning to be sold as such?

His marketing director sent him an email asking for game used items. What were they for? Gifts? Charity auction? What? Eli then sends the request to Skiba. End of story.

Now, if Eli knowingly asked for something to deliberately defraud somebody out of money, that's a different story.

But context is everything.

It is also alleged by this Inselberg dude that Joe Skiba doctored a Strahan jersey to give to Strahan so he could sell the real one. Strahan just said yesterday that was 100% false.

There really doesn't seem to be a lot here to go on other than he said she said, at least publicly.

Like Paul, if Eli is proven to knowingly fraud fans out of their money, then I'd be disappointed. Based on what I've read, I'm skeptical, and I've followed this hobby for nearly 20 years.
PaulBlakeTSU  
Pete in VA : 4/14/2017 10:57 am : link
If you actually believe what you just wrote, you are Exhibit 1 for denial. A jersey is either game-worn or it is not. A person asking for a game-worn jersey would not ask for one that would "pass as" game worn. That is not what "pass as" means. At all.

But given Eli's sterling reputation, a jury can probably be convinced to buy into something like what you are saying.
RE: PaulBlakeTSU  
Britt in VA : 4/14/2017 10:59 am : link
In comment 13428380 Pete in VA said:
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If you actually believe what you just wrote, you are Exhibit 1 for denial. A jersey is either game-worn or it is not. A person asking for a game-worn jersey would not ask for one that would "pass as" game worn. That is not what "pass as" means. At all.

But given Eli's sterling reputation, a jury can probably be convinced to buy into something like what you are saying.


If a jersey is worn by Eli on the sideline of a preseason game that he doesn't play in, but is in uniform form, is it game worn?
Or he plays the first series only.  
Britt in VA : 4/14/2017 10:59 am : link
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For all the deniers....  
Tesla : 4/14/2017 11:00 am : link
a simple question.

If Eli actually wanted couple of game used helmets, why wouldn't he just say: "Joe, do you have a couple of my game used helmets?"
RE: For all the deniers....  
Britt in VA : 4/14/2017 11:02 am : link
In comment 13428386 Tesla said:
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a simple question.

If Eli actually wanted couple of game used helmets, why wouldn't he just say: "Joe, do you have a couple of my game used helmets?"


Guess it depends on knowing the equipment room process. Do you know if they re-purpose helmets at the end of the season? Change the numbers, store them by size, to be used again the following year? Or do you think they store helmets after every single game or season never to be worn again?

It's a relevant question.
Pete  
PaulBlakeTSU : 4/14/2017 11:06 am : link
I couldn't tell you how many jerseys, or helmets a player goes through in a season or in a career. I have no idea if they use the same helmet every year, or if they go through several.

If Eli wore a helmet in a game but doesn't have a scratch on it-- would a memorabilia dealer accept that for being "game-worn" or do memorabilia dealers want helmets that have nicks and scratches on them? In the memorabilia world, I have no idea if it's so binary of "it's either game-worn or it isn't."

I can't answer these questions because I don't deal in memorabilia, have no idea what industry customs are, and I have no clue the availability of "game-worn" helmets.
For instance....  
Britt in VA : 4/14/2017 11:08 am : link
Let's say they re-purpose them, which is common. I don't know the Giants process but re-purposing equipment is extremely, extremely common. When was the email request sent? The offseason? If they are re-purposed and stored, likely by size and fit, how do you distinguish who wore what? There wouldn't be anything readily available, as compared to if he sent it on a Monday after a Sunday game during the season, which it might be easier to ask "can you get me a couple game used helmets".
RE:  
Dave in Hoboken : 4/14/2017 11:10 am : link
In comment 13428256 Pete in VA said:
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Same difference. "Pass as" does not mean it IS something. It means IT IS NOT, but that its appearance could make it appear to be that thing. This is so obvious. Denial is a powerful thing.


Pretty much.
when used  
PaulBlakeTSU : 4/14/2017 11:18 am : link
colloquially, "pass as" becomes a contronym. It's not denial to be aware of that.

I'm aware of how bad this would be for Eli and why it's bad, but without more corroborating evidence implicating him, whose reputation has been above reproach, I'll reserve judgment.
An athlete with a net worth of $188 Million  
Giants in 07 : 4/14/2017 11:23 am : link
is going to risk his unmarred reputation to make 4K scamming fans on memorabilia?

Cash grab.
Why does it have to be about the money  
pjcas18 : 4/14/2017 11:41 am : link
for Eli. If he did it, maybe it was just the hassle, it was simpler to give them anything and claim it as "game used" instead of giving them something actually game used.

plus, as many people have already pointed out some of the wealthiest people on the globe are some of the most dishonest and sleaziest. Not saying Eli is, but having enormous piles of cash hardly precludes someone of being unscrupulous.

I think it best to reserve judgment on this both ways and let it play out. I'd like to believe Eli is completely innocent of any wrongdoing, but nothing would surprise me. And unbiased that text does not sound good, but I reserve judgment, I definitely won't go through the mental gymnastics some of you do to explain at is innocuous.

Fact is none of us knows, so speaking in superlatives makes people come across as homerish and defensive or vice versa, a hater.

neither of which can possibly be known to be true at this time by anyone on this message board.
I didn't care much about this  
bceagle05 : 4/14/2017 11:51 am : link
until fat fuckface Chris Christie started bashing Eli on WFAN this morning. I hope he's cleared and, if so, comes out guns blazing on all these assholes.
my friend knows the lawyer of the plaintiff and apparently  
DCPollaro : 4/14/2017 11:53 am : link
he is a big eagles fan
Brandon Jacobs:  
RicFlair : 4/14/2017 11:54 am : link
Quote:
"Don't believe this (horse manure) about (Manning)," Jacobs wrote on his verified account. "Other than some dirty pranks this guy don't have a bad bone in his body. Eli is as wholesome as they come lol. This guy made so much damn money playing football and he still drives a damn free Toyota lol. It's a bunch of (horse manure) lol!!!"
RE: I didn't care much about this  
Suburbanites : 4/14/2017 12:13 pm : link
In comment 13428464 bceagle05 said:
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until fat fuckface Chris Christie started bashing Eli on WFAN this morning. I hope he's cleared and, if so, comes out guns blazing on all these assholes.


As I said in my OP the haters are going to have a field day with this, Patriot fans are calling for Eli to be given a 4 game suspension and the Giants to lose their first round pick LOL. Hopefully this goes away soon.
So serious question on this  
LCtheINTMachine : 4/14/2017 12:32 pm : link
Is Steiner Sports a shady operation? That Steiner guy comes across like he's dirty on YouTube videos so wouldn't surprise me. Steiner is the one Eli has the contract with, right?

I mean credit to him for bilking the public and making millions and we all love and admire the rich ... but still.
RE: RE: I didn't care much about this  
an_idol_mind : 4/14/2017 12:35 pm : link
In comment 13428508 Suburbanites said:
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In comment 13428464 bceagle05 said:


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until fat fuckface Chris Christie started bashing Eli on WFAN this morning. I hope he's cleared and, if so, comes out guns blazing on all these assholes.



As I said in my OP the haters are going to have a field day with this, Patriot fans are calling for Eli to be given a 4 game suspension and the Giants to lose their first round pick LOL. Hopefully this goes away soon.


It would be pretty weird for any sort of suspension to happen. If Eli was in on it, it didn't affect the actual competitive nature of the game.

It could violate a personal conduct policy, but we're talking about something that, if it happened, occurred more than half a decade ago. How far back would the NFL be willing to reach in something like this?
RE: when used  
Mike in Long Beach : 4/14/2017 12:38 pm : link
In comment 13428411 PaulBlakeTSU said:
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colloquially, "pass as" becomes a contronym. It's not denial to be aware of that.

I'm aware of how bad this would be for Eli and why it's bad, but without more corroborating evidence implicating him, whose reputation has been above reproach, I'll reserve judgment.


Well said. There's no athlete I root for in any sport that deserves the benefit of the doubt more than him. First off, there's just no incentive for him to do this. Secondly, the way I see it is, worst case scenario, he didn't really give a shit about any of this, and maybe his intent was to get Skibba to sell anything used. Practice. In Game. Whatever. It maybe was innocent enough as he might not have seen it as a huge distinction.

But again, that's the worst case scenario. There's no way I think he'd deliberately scheme anything.
RE: RE: when used  
Klaatu : 4/14/2017 12:53 pm : link
In comment 13428566 Mike in Long Beach said:
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In comment 13428411 PaulBlakeTSU said:


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colloquially, "pass as" becomes a contronym. It's not denial to be aware of that.

I'm aware of how bad this would be for Eli and why it's bad, but without more corroborating evidence implicating him, whose reputation has been above reproach, I'll reserve judgment.



Well said. There's no athlete I root for in any sport that deserves the benefit of the doubt more than him. First off, there's just no incentive for him to do this. Secondly, the way I see it is, worst case scenario, he didn't really give a shit about any of this, and maybe his intent was to get Skibba to sell anything used. Practice. In Game. Whatever. It maybe was innocent enough as he might not have seen it as a huge distinction.

But again, that's the worst case scenario. There's no way I think he'd deliberately scheme anything.


I don't know. Isn't it always the quiet ones?
Maybe he'll post it here  
BBelle21 : 4/14/2017 1:05 pm : link
So I'm sorry if I jumped the gun. But this is from a MOD over on the official Giants MB. He attends practices and is pretty close to the team. Here is what he wrote over there:


Quote Originally Posted by YATittle1962 View Post
I'm going to explain to all of you one time what is going on here

Eli did nothing wrong

Eli Manning has a deal with Steiner Sports to produce a certain amount of "game worn" equipment per year

this amount that he is under contract to produce is ridiculous ... simply impossible to produce the amount to "game used" equipment within a 16 game season

so what these players do ... all of them ... they wear multiple helmets ... jerseys ... gloves ... socks .... cleats ... etc ... every singe game

sometimes they will wear these things for only warm ups and legally that is "game worn"

now, what happened here is some of the high end collectors that were receiving this equipment were complaining that the equipment looked brand new and were claiming it was fake

Eli was contacting the equipment staff for more beat up equipment to make these high end collectors happy... he thought he was helping actually

it was not fake ... it just was not used in heavy contact

all the items given by Eli were used under conditions contractually sufficient ... he wore them in uniform on game day ... that is all that needs to happen for it to be sold as "game used"

some of these guys are complaining that they got practice helmets because they claimed it had no communication device

first of all ... practice helmets have communication devices

and second they are not going to leave the device in for the sale

Eli did absolutely nothing wrong and this case is completely bogus

believe what you will

all I can offer i the truth

have a great day


Link: http://boards.giants.com/showthread.php?80886-Eli-s-legacy/page2
And that's EXACTLY what I've been saying here.  
Britt in VA : 4/14/2017 1:08 pm : link
The term "game used" is the key. If he wears it, technically it can be sold as game used, legally. That's it.
Well that explains it.  
bceagle05 : 4/14/2017 1:10 pm : link
OTAs are next week, right? Hope Eli goes nuclear on his critics for the first time in his life. He got mildly pissed when things were leaked about contract negotiations - I can only imagine how he feels about this.
Britt in Va  
BBelle21 : 4/14/2017 1:15 pm : link
Exactly right. It makes sense a ton of sense. I don't see why thinking critically rubs some the wrong way. Logic dictated that none of this made any sense, especially about Eli.
It would be one thing..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 4/14/2017 1:20 pm : link
if he asked Skiba for new stuff that could be "passed off" as used, but when he's asking if something could "pass as" game worn, it jibes with the main complaint some collectors have - that the items aren't "used" enough.

And that sort of falls in line with the post above. Some of these collectors are probably looking for grass stains, nicks, sweat, etc. and if something looks new, it isn't worth as much (I don't get it, but it is what it is).

That's what I took the "pass as" to mean from the beginning.
Look at the quotes from this asshole.  
bceagle05 : 4/14/2017 1:25 pm : link
I wouldn't piss on this guy if he were on fire.

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Gov. Chris Christie ripped into "the liar Eli Manning" and the New York Giants during a radio appearance Friday morning, a day after a report revealed Manning turned over a possibly incriminating email in a lawsuit alleging he was involved in a fake sports memorabilia scheme.

"He got caught," Christie said of Manning, the Giants' quarterback, while guest-hosting the "Boomer & Carton" morning show on WFAN 660-AM in New York City.

The New Jerswy governor also compared Manning to his older brother, legendary former NFL quarterback Peyton Manning.

"Could you ever imagine Peyton being involved in this?" Christie asked. "No, definitely not. Peyton's smarter."

The New York Post reported Thursday that the email was included in a court filing in Bergen County Superior Court in a three-year-old civil racketeering lawsuit filed by three collectors against Manning, the Giants, the team's equipment manager, team co-owner John Mara, and memorabilia company Steiner Sports.

In the email, sent April 27, 2010, Manning asked Giants head equipment manager Joe Skiba for "two helmets that can pass as game used," according to the report.

Manning had been asked by his marketing agent, Alan Zucker, to produce equipment under a memorabilia contract he had with Steiner Sports.

One of the suit's plaintiffs said he paid $4,300 for a helmet said to be worn during the Giants' 2007 season that led to a Super Bowl victory. Now, the plaintiff claims, it's a "$4,000 paperweight."

A trial is set to begin Sept. 25.

Christie, a former U.S. attorney, said Friday that it's unlikely Manning would ever face criminal charges. But, he said, the issue "could affect the whole season."

"The Giants participated in this as well, so John Mara's going to have to open the checkbook," the governor said. "Now there's all kinds of ramifications for the Giants as a brand. Are they a lying cheating franchise?"

Christie -- who is famously a fan of the Dallas Cowboys, one of the Giants' rivals -- added that the Giants' involvement is "an open question."

"I'm not saying that John Mara knew," he said.

The Giants defended both Manning and the organization in a statement.

"The email, taken out of context, was shared with the media by an unscrupulous memorabilia dealer and his counsel who for years has been seeking to leverage a big payday," McCarter & English, the law firm representing the Giants in the matter, said. "The email predates any litigation, and there was no legal obligation to store it on the Giants server. Eli Manning is well known for his integrity and this is just the latest misguided attempt to defame his character."

Christie criticized that statement, likening it to a "politician's non-answer."

"The email was taken out of context? The context? It looks like it's a pretty complete back and forth," the governor said.

"And by the way, they presumably have possession of the emails," he added. "They represent Eli. So, if it's out of context, put it in context. Release the other things where Eli's like, 'Just joking.'"

"Give a good statement or shut up," Christie added about the statement.

Karen Kessler, a spokeswoman for McCarter & English, declined to comment on Christie's remarks when reached by NJ Advance Media on Friday.



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RE: Maybe he'll post it here  
bluepepper : 4/14/2017 1:26 pm : link
Quote:
So I'm sorry if I jumped the gun. But this is from a MOD over on the official Giants MB. He attends practices and is pretty close to the team. Here is what he wrote over there:


Quote Originally Posted by YATittle1962 View Post
I'm going to explain to all of you one time what is going on here

Eli did nothing wrong

Eli Manning has a deal with Steiner Sports to produce a certain amount of "game worn" equipment per year

this amount that he is under contract to produce is ridiculous ... simply impossible to produce the amount to "game used" equipment within a 16 game season

If it's impossible to produce so much game worn stuff then don't sign a contract to produce so much game worn stuff.
I think the point was  
bceagle05 : 4/14/2017 1:35 pm : link
they broadened the definition of "game used" to include pre-game warm-up jerseys, helmets, etc. BECAUSE everyone acknowledges it's impossible otherwise, include the Steiners of the world.
Sorry, it looks like Eli is in the wrong here.  
mikeinbloomfield : 4/14/2017 1:36 pm : link
Anyone who says "pass" doesn't necessarily mean "pass off" needs to ask themselves why Eli didn't just say "two game worn helmets." Why use pass at all?

Then there's this exchange between Joe Skiba (Giants equipment manager) and a friend of his:

"Friend: My buddy was offered an eli game used helmet and jersey. Are these the bs ones eli asked you to make up because he didn't want to give up the real stuff?"

Joe Skiba: BS ones, you are correct."

http://deadspin.com/eli-manning-asked-giants-equipment-manager-for-helmets-1794320043

Fraud is fraud, regardless of how loathsome the person being cheated or how unfair the contract is. I am not happy about it either. But remember, we pretend to know what Eli is about because we like the way he acts on the field, and the charity work he does. The truth is, we know very little about who he (or anyone else) really is.
Chris Christie  
PaulBlakeTSU : 4/14/2017 1:36 pm : link
is such a corrupt piece of shit. WFAN should be ashamed that they give him a platform.
RE: Eli's wealth and philanthropy don't serve as a perfect defense.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 4/14/2017 1:42 pm : link
In comment 13428179 an_idol_mind said:
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Plenty of wealthy, giving people do stupid shit like this for reasons I can't begin to explain. In Eli's case, it's possible that he wanted to keep the actual articles for himself and thus made a dumb decision.


Perhaps not a perfect defense, just a mountain of credibility in his favor as someone who's spent 12 years living and working under a microscope and maintained a reputation above reproach.

If that doesn't buy you some credibility, what does?
RE: RE: Maybe he'll post it here  
mitch300 : 4/14/2017 1:45 pm : link
In comment 13428653 bluepepper said:
Quote:


Quote:


So I'm sorry if I jumped the gun. But this is from a MOD over on the official Giants MB. He attends practices and is pretty close to the team. Here is what he wrote over there:


Quote Originally Posted by YATittle1962 View Post
I'm going to explain to all of you one time what is going on here

Eli did nothing wrong

Eli Manning has a deal with Steiner Sports to produce a certain amount of "game worn" equipment per year

this amount that he is under contract to produce is ridiculous ... simply impossible to produce the amount to "game used" equipment within a 16 game season



If it's impossible to produce so much game worn stuff then don't sign a contract to produce so much game worn stuff.


Exactly, I'm not sure if Eli is guilty or not. However, don't sign a contract that you feel is too hard to agree to.
The question I have regarding the Skiba convo  
bceagle05 : 4/14/2017 1:45 pm : link
is whether those dealings were part of the Steiner contract, or if Skiba does some private "business." That would explain some of Brandon Jacobs recent comments destroying Skiba and not Manning.
A lot of the opinions on here  
Mike from SI : 4/14/2017 1:49 pm : link
remind me of Pats fans discussing Spygate and Deflate Gate. I hope I'm wrong, but the email doesn't look good.
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