Can Eli be this foolish? These guys are known sleazes, why would he want anything to do with them? The Post isn't the most reputable newspaper in the world, not that any of them are these days, but if true this is very disappointing. The haters are going to have a lot of fun with this one.
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Eli's not necessarily a saint, but unless something else surfaces about this, I don't see that there's a lot there.
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“2 helmets that can pass as game used. That is it. Eli,” Manning allegedly responded from his BlackBerry at 2:08 p.m.
Pretty damning, tbh.
How is that damning?
Because he's looking for something "that can pass as game-worn"....
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That's not good, but I wouldn't call it damning. If you're looking to form a value judgment on somebody, pulling out one sentence fragment is probably not enough to go on.
There could very well be more to this than that, but since 2014, none of the leaks involved in this case have shown anything approaching hard evidence.
Eli Manning makes 21 million frikkin dollars a year. Just let that sink in for a second...Got it? Ok.
Now, a couple of you believe he was involved in some slimy scheme to defraud collectors into buying $4,000 non-game-worn helmets disguised as game-worn? Is that right?
Since this guy can wipe his ass with hundred dollar bills for the rest of his life and still die wealthy beyond comprehension I'm going to have to say this is utter nonsense.
Use your heads.
IMO that's what it was when he bought it.
The memorabilia / celebrity market has always mystified me too. Whatever makes this stuff valuable to people just goes right over my head.
Eli Manning makes 21 million frikkin dollars a year. Just let that sink in for a second...Got it? Ok.
Now, a couple of you believe he was involved in some slimy scheme to defraud collectors into buying $4,000 non-game-worn helmets disguised as game-worn? Is that right?
Since this guy can wipe his ass with hundred dollar bills for the rest of his life and still die wealthy beyond comprehension I'm going to have to say this is utter nonsense.
Use your heads.
Eli most likely doesn't defraud people but there are many people out there who make more money than him who defraud the little guy over four and five figures sums, so that's not the argument I'd use to defend Eli
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From this, [off] can't be inserted for certain. You have to have an active imagination to insert this without hesitation. This isn't politics where you can just imagine what you want.
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Let's think about this for a second.
Eli Manning makes 21 million frikkin dollars a year. Just let that sink in for a second...Got it? Ok.
Now, a couple of you believe he was involved in some slimy scheme to defraud collectors into buying $4,000 non-game-worn helmets disguised as game-worn? Is that right?
Since this guy can wipe his ass with hundred dollar bills for the rest of his life and still die wealthy beyond comprehension I'm going to have to say this is utter nonsense.
Use your heads.
Eli most likely doesn't defraud people but there are many people out there who make more money than him who defraud the little guy over four and five figures sums, so that's not the argument I'd use to defend Eli
The argument to defend him should be his character record. You don't need much more than that.
Mr. Manning, 34, reflected on the events of nearly a decade ago on a recent morning while en route to Jackson, Miss., home of the Blair E. Batson Hospital for Children, the only hospital in the state devoted to pediatrics. In 2007, Mr. Manning undertook a campaign to raise $2.5 million to construct the Eli Manning Children’s Clinic, which offers outpatient services as well as acute care to more than 75,000 children in Mississippi each year. He ran up the score, exceeding his goal by $400,000.
New York Giants quarterback Eli Manning and his wife, Abby, have pledged $1 million to the Children's of Mississippi $100 million capital campaign.
It’s not the first time the Mannings will donate their time and money to the University of Mississippi Medical Center. They donated and helped raise $2.5 million in partnership with the Friends of Children's Hospital to open the Eli Manning Children's Clinics at Batson Children's Hospital. The clinics opened in 2009.
In recognition of his charitable work in the community, the Giants’ two-time Super Bowl MVP quarterback was recently named on the New York Observer’s list of “Top 20 Philanthropists Under 40.”
While I recognize that the world is a pretty jaded and skeptical place, I'm siding with this guy over some memorabilia hacks.
It's the sign of a great organization!
Anyone who believes that Eli Manning, a multi-millionaire,
would be so stupid as to get involved with those sleazebags
should trade in his brain for a pile of dogshit and be
happy with the improvement.
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You don't really need to find out
What's going on
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Like it's been said in a previous post he has more money then he needs to live out the rest of his life why would he need to knowingly be involved in a scheme that would garner chump change unneeded suspicion and consequences.
Maybe Eli meant "qualify" as game used, instead of "pass off"...I'm the first one to admit that I don't use proper grammar or terminology when I talk to my buddies. I certainly don't treat every discussion like it will be picked apart in a court of law.
That said, a single email, especially one as vague as this one, doesn't constitute legitimate evidence against him. There's way too much room for doubt in what has been leaked to the public.
Unfortunately, the trial for this is set to begin in September. As a fan, I'd be pretty happy if the Giants settled it out of court just so it doesn't become a distraction during the season.
Eli made a mistake. Of course he didn't need the money, but he wanted the real thing for himself, and he had a contract with Steiner to fulfill. He figured no harm no foul, no one would know better.
Now none of this means that a jury will take the plaintiff's side. It's a huge advantage in litigation to be Eli Manning. The jury will likely not be asked to make a specific finding on the issue of whether his jerseys are fake, so he'll likely get past this without a scratch.
I sincerely doubt it.
He asked for stuff that "could pass as game worn"
how is that proof of fraud?
I don't think that is proof at all. However, taking Eli out of this for a second. A jersey or helmet was either worn in a game or wasn't. Not sure how or why something could "pass" for game worn without actually being worn in a game. If the discussions are to that level now, then maybe the whole thing really is some kind of industry scam (not Eli per-se).
Quite honestly, I think the whole memorabilia thing is just stupid. People paying ridiculous sums for this shit is just laughable.
Again, this is IF Eli did it (which I've yet to be convinced). Some of these are die-hard fans who are willing to spend a lot of their hard-earned money so that they can have what they think is a helmet or jersey worn by an iconic player in a game. Maybe it's for their kids. To think that Eli, who has made over $200 million in salary alone, may have helped defraud the guy because he didn't want to part with a $4000 helmet, would really bother me as a big "fuck you" to the fans.
It doesn't mean Eli set out to hatch some nefarious nickel-and-dime plot, but it would indicate a lack of caring for some of the ver fans who live and breathe with the Giants.
But after what Jacobs has said, there seems to be smoke collecting around Joe Skiba and his equipment practices, more so than just the litigious claims of a memorabilia dealer. The Giants should investigate this thoroughly to make sure they aren't supporting an employee helping rip off fans.
Again, this is IF Eli did it (which I've yet to be convinced). Some of these are die-hard fans who are willing to spend a lot of their hard-earned money so that they can have what they think is a helmet or jersey worn by an iconic player in a game. Maybe it's for their kids. To think that Eli, who has made over $200 million in salary alone, may have helped defraud the guy because he didn't want to part with a $4000 helmet, would really bother me as a big "fuck you" to the fans.
It doesn't mean Eli set out to hatch some nefarious nickel-and-dime plot, but it would indicate a lack of caring for some of the ver fans who live and breathe with the Giants.
But after what Jacobs has said, there seems to be smoke collecting around Joe Skiba and his equipment practices, more so than just the litigious claims of a memorabilia dealer. The Giants should investigate this thoroughly to make sure they aren't supporting an employee helping rip off fans.
Per an ESPN article this morning, the Giants did investigate this back in 2011.
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Seriously....how is this even in question? It's patently obvious what happened here....Eli's agent reminded him that he owed 2 game used helmets to Steiner, and he then proceeded to ask Skiba if he had two helmets that he could pass off as being game used.
I don't think this is really a big deal at all......this is hardly a crime against humanity here. Eli tried to pass off a couple of helmets as game used to fulfill his deal with Steiner.....no big deal. But the way you guys are bending over backwards to deny what is obvious is really hilarious.
That said, a single email, especially one as vague as this one, doesn't constitute legitimate evidence against him. There's way too much room for doubt in what has been leaked to the public.
Unfortunately, the trial for this is set to begin in September. As a fan, I'd be pretty happy if the Giants settled it out of court just so it doesn't become a distraction during the season.
True. It's a better defense than saying that rich people have no reason to defraud people because they can wipe their behind with Benjamins, but the best defense is always the truth
Hypothetically, let's say you wanted to get a driver's license in New Jersey, which requires a person to bring "6 Ponts" worth of identification, with various documents qualifying in different ways (current driver's license, passport, Social Security Card, utility bills) and things that wouldn't work (library card, credit card).
If you were texting someone about going to the DMV and casually texted "bring things that will pass as ID," I don't see why that has to be interpreted as "bring fake ID" and not "bring things that are considered acceptable forms of ID."
Secondly, in reading the articles this morning, how do we know that the two items in question were known to Manning to be sold as such?
His marketing director sent him an email asking for game used items. What were they for? Gifts? Charity auction? What? Eli then sends the request to Skiba. End of story.
Now, if Eli knowingly asked for something to deliberately defraud somebody out of money, that's a different story.
But context is everything.
It is also alleged by this Inselberg dude that Joe Skiba doctored a Strahan jersey to give to Strahan so he could sell the real one. Strahan just said yesterday that was 100% false.
There really doesn't seem to be a lot here to go on other than he said she said, at least publicly.
Like Paul, if Eli is proven to knowingly fraud fans out of their money, then I'd be disappointed. Based on what I've read, I'm skeptical, and I've followed this hobby for nearly 20 years.
But given Eli's sterling reputation, a jury can probably be convinced to buy into something like what you are saying.
But given Eli's sterling reputation, a jury can probably be convinced to buy into something like what you are saying.
If a jersey is worn by Eli on the sideline of a preseason game that he doesn't play in, but is in uniform form, is it game worn?
If Eli actually wanted couple of game used helmets, why wouldn't he just say: "Joe, do you have a couple of my game used helmets?"
If Eli actually wanted couple of game used helmets, why wouldn't he just say: "Joe, do you have a couple of my game used helmets?"
Guess it depends on knowing the equipment room process. Do you know if they re-purpose helmets at the end of the season? Change the numbers, store them by size, to be used again the following year? Or do you think they store helmets after every single game or season never to be worn again?
It's a relevant question.
If Eli wore a helmet in a game but doesn't have a scratch on it-- would a memorabilia dealer accept that for being "game-worn" or do memorabilia dealers want helmets that have nicks and scratches on them? In the memorabilia world, I have no idea if it's so binary of "it's either game-worn or it isn't."
I can't answer these questions because I don't deal in memorabilia, have no idea what industry customs are, and I have no clue the availability of "game-worn" helmets.
Pretty much.
I'm aware of how bad this would be for Eli and why it's bad, but without more corroborating evidence implicating him, whose reputation has been above reproach, I'll reserve judgment.
Cash grab.
plus, as many people have already pointed out some of the wealthiest people on the globe are some of the most dishonest and sleaziest. Not saying Eli is, but having enormous piles of cash hardly precludes someone of being unscrupulous.
I think it best to reserve judgment on this both ways and let it play out. I'd like to believe Eli is completely innocent of any wrongdoing, but nothing would surprise me. And unbiased that text does not sound good, but I reserve judgment, I definitely won't go through the mental gymnastics some of you do to explain at is innocuous.
Fact is none of us knows, so speaking in superlatives makes people come across as homerish and defensive or vice versa, a hater.
neither of which can possibly be known to be true at this time by anyone on this message board.
As I said in my OP the haters are going to have a field day with this, Patriot fans are calling for Eli to be given a 4 game suspension and the Giants to lose their first round pick LOL. Hopefully this goes away soon.
I mean credit to him for bilking the public and making millions and we all love and admire the rich ... but still.
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until fat fuckface Chris Christie started bashing Eli on WFAN this morning. I hope he's cleared and, if so, comes out guns blazing on all these assholes.
As I said in my OP the haters are going to have a field day with this, Patriot fans are calling for Eli to be given a 4 game suspension and the Giants to lose their first round pick LOL. Hopefully this goes away soon.
It would be pretty weird for any sort of suspension to happen. If Eli was in on it, it didn't affect the actual competitive nature of the game.
It could violate a personal conduct policy, but we're talking about something that, if it happened, occurred more than half a decade ago. How far back would the NFL be willing to reach in something like this?