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Drafting the Next DT: Who Do You Like?

adamg : 4/13/2017 7:10 pm
Presaging the Sy thread perhaps on the draft's top DTs....

I wonder if people can post their favorite DTs in this draft and their pros and cons. Who are the big guys and what do you like/dislike about them?

I was specifically just considering Tanoh Kpassagnon. The kid is a freak athlete who is proposed to be more of a 4-3 DE. But, at 6'7'' 280 and his natural athleticism, maybe he can pack on a few more and play the freak 3 tech who can put the line over the top? Thoughts on him inside?
Chris Wormley  
Torrag : 4/13/2017 7:11 pm : link
His coaches sing his praises for work ethic and character. That kind of attitude with his physical traits should develop into a real good pro.
I'll just throw out a few name's I've seen at DT,  
adamg : 4/13/2017 7:15 pm : link
not sure whether people more familiar can outline who may be the best scheme fits:

CLEM Carlos Watkins in 2-3rd seems to be more of 3 tech, based on reports.

AL Dalvin Tomlinson also sounds like a day 2 prospect - maybe a little earlier than Watkins, seems more like a Hankins-esque all around DT, run stuffer with some rush skills.

FLA Caleb Brantley is another guy who seems like more of a pass rusher. NFL.com has his pro comp as Aaron Donald and a really high grade on him. Is he a first round talent? I've seen him as likely more of day 2 guy.


NFL.com DE/DT Grades - ( New Window )
Caleb Brantley,  
732NYG : 4/13/2017 7:15 pm : link
although I'm not sure he'll match up value-wise where we are picking, if that sort of thing matters to you
RE: Chris Wormley  
adamg : 4/13/2017 7:16 pm : link
In comment 13427728 Torrag said:
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His coaches sing his praises for work ethic and character. That kind of attitude with his physical traits should develop into a real good pro.


He's a guy I like a lot in the second. Do you think he's a good value there? Anyone else going through your mind...
Chris  
AcidTest : 4/13/2017 7:19 pm : link
Wormley. I think the Giants may draft him in the first round. I thought they'd draft Jarrad Davis, but with Hankins leaving, I think it might be Wormley.

Two others I like:

(1) DeMarcus Walker. 4-3 "stack and shed" DE on run downs, and 3T DT on passing downs. 25 sacks and 35 TFL in the last two seasons. Excellent swim move, and quick first step. Batted down 8-10 passes IIRC. Negatives are that he can't "run the arc," or "bend the edge," as a DE. Also somewhat heavy footed, with limited lateral range. 2nd round.

(2) DeAngelo Brown. Strictly a run stuffer, but incredibly strong. Destroys a lot of plays. 3rd round.
Brantley and Wormley  
jeff57 : 4/13/2017 7:19 pm : link
The Villanova kid is an end
GBN Report has him 100th on their big board.  
81_Great_Dane : 4/13/2017 7:19 pm : link
If that's how the Giants rate him, he's probably not going to be the top guy on their board when they pick at #87 overall in the 3rd, and he'll probably be gone when they pick at #140 overall in the 4th.

But if they have him rated differently, who knows?
RE: I'll just throw out a few name's I've seen at DT,  
AcidTest : 4/13/2017 7:21 pm : link
In comment 13427734 adamg said:
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not sure whether people more familiar can outline who may be the best scheme fits:

CLEM Carlos Watkins in 2-3rd seems to be more of 3 tech, based on reports.

AL Dalvin Tomlinson also sounds like a day 2 prospect - maybe a little earlier than Watkins, seems more like a Hankins-esque all around DT, run stuffer with some rush skills.

FLA Caleb Brantley is another guy who seems like more of a pass rusher. NFL.com has his pro comp as Aaron Donald and a really high grade on him. Is he a first round talent? I've seen him as likely more of day 2 guy.
NFL.com DE/DT Grades - ( New Window )


Tomlinson is a very good player, but has torn both his ACLs, although the last one was in 2013.

Brantley apparently interviewed poorly at the combine. That may push his grade down to the point where he'd be available at #55.
Rotational guys  
jeff57 : 4/13/2017 7:24 pm : link
Rounds 3-5

Tomlinson
Johnson
Watkins
Adams
Ogenjobi

I'd like to get DeMarcus Walker in the 2nd  
sjnyfan : 4/13/2017 7:34 pm : link
if he lasts that long. He played outside mostly for FSU but I think he'll be an even better pro as a 3 Tech
Mailik McDowell  
BillT : 4/13/2017 7:36 pm : link
I'd have no problem with them taking him 1.
OP  
allstarjim : 4/13/2017 7:37 pm : link
The measurables on Kpassagnon would intrigue anyone. But watch his tape. He's not physical, he has no idea how to use his body, and I really question his motor.

He is a project that is going to need a lot of time and coaching, and a huge gamble. If he learns to harness his physical traits into an actual football player, you may have something. The film I've seen of him looks like an uncoordinated big kid running around doing something resembling football maybe.
A slimmed down, healthy Eddie Vanderdoes  
Anakim : 4/13/2017 7:37 pm : link
.
I like Vanderdoes too...  
Torrag : 4/13/2017 7:37 pm : link
...but he's a later slot guy. 5th Round for me with the injuries and off 2016 season he delivered. Someone probably overdrafts him before then based on his earlier tape. Maybe with our uber late 4th rounder I'd consider it depending on the board at the time.
DL is one unit on an NFL football team  
idiotsavant : 4/13/2017 7:42 pm : link
where the athleticism and size really do count for more, I would not mind drafting the freak types, assuming that they love playing the game and all the pain and effort that comes with it.

round 1 Mcdowell

round 2 montravious adams

round 3 the kpassagnon kid DE/DT tweener?

caveat emptor on smaller DTs coming out of college, where line play is just worlds different...unless the smaller DTs are simply obvious world beater types.
CBS on Adams  
idiotsavant : 4/13/2017 7:44 pm : link

''He carries his 296-pound frame very well with the > initial quickness and > lateral agility to attack gaps and penetrate the backfield''

(probably more like 310 by now)
RE: Rotational guys  
Klaatu : 4/13/2017 7:45 pm : link
In comment 13427748 jeff57 said:
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Rounds 3-5

Tomlinson
Johnson
Watkins
Adams
Ogenjobi


What DTs aren't "rotational?" Even the best ones, like Geno Atkins and Aaron Donald play about 70% of the snaps. Snacks was an All-Pro at less than that.
also dont discount nose types  
idiotsavant : 4/13/2017 7:45 pm : link
giants had tupou in I think at 6'3" 350lbs.

very useful even within nominal 4/3 set ups.
Didn't the Giants promise Harrison that he would get first shot  
Ivan15 : 4/13/2017 7:53 pm : link
at the 3 tackle spot if Hankins left?
What do you guys think about Malik McDowell?  
DennyInDenville : 4/13/2017 7:56 pm : link
6-6 295 needs coaching but a bit freakish plays DT maybe he's Canty 2.0?
McDowell, Brantley, and Wormley  
WillVAB : 4/13/2017 7:57 pm : link
I'd be happy with any of those 3.

McDowell -- absolutely destroys blockers at times. Questionable awareness.

Brantley -- explosive penetrator. Looks like a physical player.

Wormley -- doesn't seem as explosive as the other two. Does a good job taking on blockers. Versatile guy who can play DT and DE.
RE: Didn't the Giants promise Harrison that he would get first shot  
DennyInDenville : 4/13/2017 7:57 pm : link
In comment 13427783 Ivan15 said:
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at the 3 tackle spot if Hankins left?

Wow did they really???
I would not be surprised  
Upstate Joe : 4/13/2017 7:58 pm : link
If they draft 2 DT, or a run stuffer type and a DE/DT pass rusher type. Going to need depth at the position with or without Hankins.

1. DT
2. CB
3. RB
4. DE/DT
5. OLB
6. WR
7. FS

...  
BleedBlue : 4/13/2017 10:04 pm : link
dont want a DT in first two rounds....obviously they will go BPA and if the value is there they will take a DT, but i rather sign odrick and draft one in later rounds. want to use first few picks on TE, LB, RB, OL
RE: I would not be surprised  
adamg : 4/13/2017 10:11 pm : link
In comment 13427794 Upstate Joe said:
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If they draft 2 DT, or a run stuffer type and a DE/DT pass rusher type. Going to need depth at the position with or without Hankins.

1. DT
2. CB
3. RB
4. DE/DT
5. OLB
6. WR
7. FS


I agree. I have a feeling with the early D picks they go either: best LB or best pass rusher (DT, DE, or LB) in addition to DT. I don't think Reese is going to be cheated on edge rusher this year. Floyd was taken last year, whether we would have taken him or not, there wasn't another edge rusher who was seen as a top 10 talent on board at 10. Shaq Lawson went at 19, as the next edge guy. At 23, there may be more wiggle room this year, especially with the depth there. I wonder if a guy like Tim Williams is an option for us in the first.
RE: ...  
adamg : 4/13/2017 10:14 pm : link
In comment 13427939 BleedBlue said:
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dont want a DT in first two rounds....obviously they will go BPA and if the value is there they will take a DT, but i rather sign odrick and draft one in later rounds. want to use first few picks on TE, LB, RB, OL


I hope Njoku drops to us. But, if any of those top 10 offensive weapons guys aren't there, I wouldn't mind Malik McDowell, now that we know Hanks isn't coming back. Anyone we sign now (in FA) isn't likely going to be a long term option. McDowell would at least bring a unique and complementary skillset to our D. We really don't have good pass rushers anywhere, let alone interior pass rushers.
RE: I'd like to get DeMarcus Walker in the 2nd  
Rjanyg : 4/13/2017 10:34 pm : link
In comment 13427756 sjnyfan said:
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if he lasts that long. He played outside mostly for FSU but I think he'll be an even better pro as a 3 Tech


Amen to this
DT will NOT be  
section125 : 4/13/2017 10:51 pm : link
the 1st round pick. 2nd or 3rd round.
The Guys I Like  
HugeS : 4/13/2017 11:48 pm : link
Rd 1: McDowell
or
Rd 2: Wormley/Demarcus Walker
or
Rd 3/4: Tomlinson/Watkins

Montravious Adams  
Bama Bish : 4/14/2017 12:04 am : link
Could end up being a huge talent, and high value pick.
RE: I like Vanderdoes too...  
Anakim : 4/14/2017 2:41 am : link
In comment 13427762 Torrag said:
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...but he's a later slot guy. 5th Round for me with the injuries and off 2016 season he delivered. Someone probably overdrafts him before then based on his earlier tape. Maybe with our uber late 4th rounder I'd consider it depending on the board at the time.


I think he goes in the fourth round.


After watching a bit of Montravius Adams just now, I've come around. I would like him in the third round. I think he can step in and play some significant snaps. I don't know if he can start right away but I think the potential is definitely there.

Vanderdoes, Adams and Jaleel Johnson are my favorite mid-round DT prospects
Jaron Jones  
Dankbeerman : 4/14/2017 7:11 am : link
has the phYsical tools, think he was miscast as a NT, could excell in 3 tech, may be available rd 4. Rotational High ceilling guy.

Brantley is probably in that cant take him in the first wont be there in the 2nd conversation
RE: DT will NOT be  
Jimmy Googs : 4/14/2017 7:46 am : link
In comment 13427998 section125 said:
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the 1st round pick. 2nd or 3rd round.


Why not? I was debating the same thing with my son yesterday.

We had 5 positions that we think that are up for the first 3 picks (not in any order) - CB, DT, TE, LB and RB
Whoops... Make that  
Jimmy Googs : 4/14/2017 7:46 am : link
DT, CB, TE, OL, RB
RE: RE: Rotational guys  
jeff57 : 4/14/2017 9:11 am : link
In comment 13427768 Klaatu said:
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In comment 13427748 jeff57 said:


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Rounds 3-5

Tomlinson
Johnson
Watkins
Adams
Ogenjobi




What DTs aren't "rotational?" Even the best ones, like Geno Atkins and Aaron Donald play about 70% of the snaps. Snacks was an All-Pro at less than that.


I'm talking about someone who would likely play less than half the snaps. At least initially, the first three I mentioned would be ideal in that role.
if anyone remembers mystery drop torn meniscus  
idiotsavant : 4/14/2017 2:04 pm : link
andrew billings from last years draft, looks like he will play at bengals this year - which will be interesting.

short wrecking ball type
In rd 1 I like Malik McDowell  
Jim in Forest Hills : 4/14/2017 2:21 pm : link
He can really disrupt from 3T. He can fight through doubleteams and get QB's antsy at their feet. Be really happy with him. Bonus with Malik is he can play DE. Kid has teh twitch to get around the corner. Really high ceiling prospect.

In Rd 4 I like Jaleel Johnson fro Iowa. Another 3T that can get after the QB. Naturally big strong anchor player.
Speaking of Malik McDowell  
Anakim : 4/16/2017 1:27 am : link
He just tweeted that aliens are real and the Earth is flat and that is not up for debate...
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