Presaging the Sy thread perhaps on the draft's top DTs....
I wonder if people can post their favorite DTs in this draft and their pros and cons. Who are the big guys and what do you like/dislike about them?
I was specifically just considering Tanoh Kpassagnon. The kid is a freak athlete who is proposed to be more of a 4-3 DE. But, at 6'7'' 280 and his natural athleticism, maybe he can pack on a few more and play the freak 3 tech who can put the line over the top? Thoughts on him inside?
CLEM Carlos Watkins in 2-3rd seems to be more of 3 tech, based on reports.
AL Dalvin Tomlinson also sounds like a day 2 prospect - maybe a little earlier than Watkins, seems more like a Hankins-esque all around DT, run stuffer with some rush skills.
FLA Caleb Brantley is another guy who seems like more of a pass rusher. NFL.com has his pro comp as Aaron Donald and a really high grade on him. Is he a first round talent? I've seen him as likely more of day 2 guy.
NFL.com DE/DT Grades - ( New Window )
He's a guy I like a lot in the second. Do you think he's a good value there? Anyone else going through your mind...
Two others I like:
(1) DeMarcus Walker. 4-3 "stack and shed" DE on run downs, and 3T DT on passing downs. 25 sacks and 35 TFL in the last two seasons. Excellent swim move, and quick first step. Batted down 8-10 passes IIRC. Negatives are that he can't "run the arc," or "bend the edge," as a DE. Also somewhat heavy footed, with limited lateral range. 2nd round.
(2) DeAngelo Brown. Strictly a run stuffer, but incredibly strong. Destroys a lot of plays. 3rd round.
But if they have him rated differently, who knows?
CLEM Carlos Watkins in 2-3rd seems to be more of 3 tech, based on reports.
AL Dalvin Tomlinson also sounds like a day 2 prospect - maybe a little earlier than Watkins, seems more like a Hankins-esque all around DT, run stuffer with some rush skills.
FLA Caleb Brantley is another guy who seems like more of a pass rusher. NFL.com has his pro comp as Aaron Donald and a really high grade on him. Is he a first round talent? I've seen him as likely more of day 2 guy.
NFL.com DE/DT Grades - ( New Window )
Tomlinson is a very good player, but has torn both his ACLs, although the last one was in 2013.
Brantley apparently interviewed poorly at the combine. That may push his grade down to the point where he'd be available at #55.
Tomlinson
Johnson
Watkins
Adams
Ogenjobi
He is a project that is going to need a lot of time and coaching, and a huge gamble. If he learns to harness his physical traits into an actual football player, you may have something. The film I've seen of him looks like an uncoordinated big kid running around doing something resembling football maybe.
round 1 Mcdowell
round 2 montravious adams
round 3 the kpassagnon kid DE/DT tweener?
caveat emptor on smaller DTs coming out of college, where line play is just worlds different...unless the smaller DTs are simply obvious world beater types.
''He carries his 296-pound frame very well with the > initial quickness and > lateral agility to attack gaps and penetrate the backfield''
(probably more like 310 by now)
Tomlinson
Johnson
Watkins
Adams
Ogenjobi
What DTs aren't "rotational?" Even the best ones, like Geno Atkins and Aaron Donald play about 70% of the snaps. Snacks was an All-Pro at less than that.
very useful even within nominal 4/3 set ups.
McDowell -- absolutely destroys blockers at times. Questionable awareness.
Brantley -- explosive penetrator. Looks like a physical player.
Wormley -- doesn't seem as explosive as the other two. Does a good job taking on blockers. Versatile guy who can play DT and DE.
Wow did they really???
1. DT
2. CB
3. RB
4. DE/DT
5. OLB
6. WR
7. FS
1. DT
2. CB
3. RB
4. DE/DT
5. OLB
6. WR
7. FS
I agree. I have a feeling with the early D picks they go either: best LB or best pass rusher (DT, DE, or LB) in addition to DT. I don't think Reese is going to be cheated on edge rusher this year. Floyd was taken last year, whether we would have taken him or not, there wasn't another edge rusher who was seen as a top 10 talent on board at 10. Shaq Lawson went at 19, as the next edge guy. At 23, there may be more wiggle room this year, especially with the depth there. I wonder if a guy like Tim Williams is an option for us in the first.
I hope Njoku drops to us. But, if any of those top 10 offensive weapons guys aren't there, I wouldn't mind Malik McDowell, now that we know Hanks isn't coming back. Anyone we sign now (in FA) isn't likely going to be a long term option. McDowell would at least bring a unique and complementary skillset to our D. We really don't have good pass rushers anywhere, let alone interior pass rushers.
Amen to this
or
Rd 2: Wormley/Demarcus Walker
or
Rd 3/4: Tomlinson/Watkins
I think he goes in the fourth round.
After watching a bit of Montravius Adams just now, I've come around. I would like him in the third round. I think he can step in and play some significant snaps. I don't know if he can start right away but I think the potential is definitely there.
Vanderdoes, Adams and Jaleel Johnson are my favorite mid-round DT prospects
Brantley is probably in that cant take him in the first wont be there in the 2nd conversation
Why not? I was debating the same thing with my son yesterday.
We had 5 positions that we think that are up for the first 3 picks (not in any order) - CB, DT, TE, LB and RB
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Rounds 3-5
Tomlinson
Johnson
Watkins
Adams
Ogenjobi
What DTs aren't "rotational?" Even the best ones, like Geno Atkins and Aaron Donald play about 70% of the snaps. Snacks was an All-Pro at less than that.
I'm talking about someone who would likely play less than half the snaps. At least initially, the first three I mentioned would be ideal in that role.
short wrecking ball type
In Rd 4 I like Jaleel Johnson fro Iowa. Another 3T that can get after the QB. Naturally big strong anchor player.