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NFT: Knicks Chat: Melo open to other teams?

DanMetroMan : 4/14/2017 7:54 am
Anthony didnt suggest he would limit his potential destinations to just playing in Cleveland or Los Angeles with his buddies, LeBron James and Chris Paul. Though he hated the Celtics as a kid, Anthony probably can envision himself in green with the No. 1-seeded team in the Eastern Conference from Boston. A hat collector, Anthony already has some greenish-colored chapeaus. When he was asked in February at TD Garden if it would be strange to play for Boston, Anthony said, Maybe strange to you.

And what about the Wizards? They are his true hometown team, which could use a dynamic small forward to pair with a sizzling backcourt of John Wall and Bradley Beal. Anthony, who moved from Brooklyn to Baltimore at age 9, may even adore anti-triangle coach Scott Brooks, who joked at the Garden last week that I just run one play.
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Now he is open?  
robbieballs2003 : 4/14/2017 7:57 am : link
I hope we didn't miss the boat on getting a decent haul for him.i like Melo. I feel he has always gotten too much shit from people. Still, this would have been nice a couple of months ago or earlier.
I hope this is true...  
Italianju : 4/14/2017 8:00 am : link
and it sounds like it is. I also hope there are still a handful of teams that might want him. At this point im not expecting back a good package, i just want an ok one. Problem is that even if you want to throw in teams like WAS and OKC you still dont see much value coming back our way. Really needs to be BOS, LAL, or maybe TOR (Some interesting younger guys and have their picks). Or some surprise team that is maybe up and coming that he would waive his clause for like MINN (I dont see it at all just using them as an example).
Trade him somewhere,  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 4/14/2017 8:02 am : link
anywhere. Cut bait with Rose & Noah. And just start over with KP & the 1st round pick.
melo for russell  
nygiants16 : 4/14/2017 8:06 am : link
makes sense if lakers get number 1 pick and take ball
RE: Trade him somewhere,  
nygiants16 : 4/14/2017 8:12 am : link
In comment 13428112 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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anywhere. Cut bait with Rose & Noah. And just start over with KP & the 1st round pick.


Noah is staying and i am fine with that, he can be a good mentor to the young bigs and hopefully help them.with better defensive positioning and awareness
at this point id be thrilled with Russell...  
Italianju : 4/14/2017 8:17 am : link
im not a huge fan of Russell but he at least has upside. At worst i could see him as a 6th man scorer.
RE: at this point id be thrilled with Russell...  
nygiants16 : 4/14/2017 8:18 am : link
In comment 13428127 Italianju said:
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im not a huge fan of Russell but he at least has upside. At worst i could see him as a 6th man scorer.


i think he fits the triangle with the ball movement and his 3 point shot but knicks have to find a slasher to go next to him or at the 3 spot especially if they really are enamored with frank...
i would do  
nygiants16 : 4/14/2017 8:20 am : link
melo for russell, nance, deng and mosgov and a future 1st...

knicks get 2 young players and take on 2 bad contracts, and also get a future pick..

probably the best trade knicks would be able to find..
RE: I hope this is true...  
DanMetroMan : 4/14/2017 8:21 am : link
In comment 13428110 Italianju said:
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and it sounds like it is. I also hope there are still a handful of teams that might want him. At this point im not expecting back a good package, i just want an ok one. Problem is that even if you want to throw in teams like WAS and OKC you still dont see much value coming back our way. Really needs to be BOS, LAL, or maybe TOR (Some interesting younger guys and have their picks). Or some surprise team that is maybe up and coming that he would waive his clause for like MINN (I dont see it at all just using them as an example).


I could see Phil being high on Sabonis
id hate to take back both....  
Italianju : 4/14/2017 8:29 am : link
Deng and Mozgov, those contracts are god awful. Id want to do better then Nance i think in that case.
RE: id hate to take back both....  
nygiants16 : 4/14/2017 8:34 am : link
In comment 13428132 Italianju said:
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Deng and Mozgov, those contracts are god awful. Id want to do better then Nance i think in that case.


that is why threw in another first..

i thought aboit their young players, i dont think they would add randle ingram or that young cneter (forget his name)

i actually think lakers squash the slow build and go all in this summer
of all the dumb shit Jax has done  
mfsd : 4/14/2017 8:35 am : link
giving Melo a full no trade may be the dumbest

It's entirely possible Phil's been playing the long game with his mismanagement (and weird tweets), making NY so miserable Melo is finally happy to leave

What a clown show. Time to start getting it right this offseason, starting with the Melo trade
RE: of all the dumb shit Jax has done  
DanMetroMan : 4/14/2017 8:50 am : link
In comment 13428140 mfsd said:
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giving Melo a full no trade may be the dumbest

It's entirely possible Phil's been playing the long game with his mismanagement (and weird tweets), making NY so miserable Melo is finally happy to leave

What a clown show. Time to start getting it right this offseason, starting with the Melo trade


There is absolutely no way he had the offseason he had last year wth the goal being "push Melo out" he tried to add "win now" pieces
RE: of all the dumb shit Jax has done  
Deej : 4/14/2017 9:17 am : link
In comment 13428140 mfsd said:
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giving Melo a full no trade may be the dumbest


It really isnt. People werent slashing their wrists over it at the time. It was a calculated risk. They thought they'd lose Melo for nothing without the NTC clause, and viewed that as worse than giving him the NTC clause. This is really the worst case scenario -- could have been forseen but wasnt likely to be this bad. I.e. it wasnt likely that Melo would be so attached to the city after the writing was on the wall, or that he'd pick such a narrow list of approved teams, or that the narrow list of teams would literally have no future assets to trade. What if Phil had not resigned him? Maybe Dolan makes him use the future picks to obtain another star. Or we throw max money at a sub-star play to "replace" the lost star power in Melo. On net, I think the Melo contract was necessary and smart. You cant strip out one piece of the contract and call it dumb. It's like saying it was dumb to trade a pick as part of a bigger trade -- you evaluate the whole trade, not one piece of it.

The Noah signing was clearly worse. It was stupid ab initio. And guess what -- it's such a bad contract that it EFFECTIVELY has a NTC except for another terrible contract. I'd add in the Rose deal as a corollary to the Noah deal -- we traded away a good enough center on a good enough contract for 1 year of Derrick Rose, and in doing so left a hole that management felt had to be filled by over-committing to Noah.

The Chandler trade was worse. It actually hurt our cap situation. Giving JR and Shump away for shit was a classic misread of the value of depth (though in his defense I assume no one offered more).

And of course there is the Rambis love affair.
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RE: RE: of all the dumb shit Jax has done  
mfsd : 4/14/2017 9:25 am : link
In comment 13428158 DanMetroMan said:
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giving Melo a full no trade may be the dumbest

It's entirely possible Phil's been playing the long game with his mismanagement (and weird tweets), making NY so miserable Melo is finally happy to leave

What a clown show. Time to start getting it right this offseason, starting with the Melo trade



There is absolutely no way he had the offseason he had last year wth the goal being "push Melo out" he tried to add "win now" pieces


I know, I'm being silly about it. Just tired of this shit. I think we all agree, hitting on another draft pick and pulling off a Melo trade would make a good offseason
Can't see magic  
giantsfan44ab : 4/14/2017 9:38 am : link
and especially the new agent GM pushing for Melo.
Clarkson seems like the piece they'd part  
giantsfan44ab : 4/14/2017 9:39 am : link
With most likely in general.
I  
DanMetroMan : 4/14/2017 9:40 am : link
don't think Ainge is going to deal for Melo. Boston wanted him on the very cheap and I doubt that changes. LAL seem "possible". LAC/Cleveland have absolutely nothing to offer.
RE: i would do  
Deej : 4/14/2017 9:48 am : link
In comment 13428130 nygiants16 said:
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melo for russell, nance, deng and mosgov and a future 1st...

knicks get 2 young players and take on 2 bad contracts, and also get a future pick..

probably the best trade knicks would be able to find..


This ascribes negative value to Melo IMO. Bailing LA out of the remaining 3 years each, $102 million combined on the Deng and Moz deals would require a give of more than Russell, Nance, and a #1.

It's not 100% clear what you get for giving teams cap room anymore. Probably not what PHI got from SAC. But it's tough to see a world where PHI gets Staukas, a pick swap, and a t10 protected #1 for clearing $13 million off Sacto's books if $102 million in terrible contracts gets you Russell, Nance, and a #1 and you give up Melo, who is still a good player. 2018-19 cap is expected to go up just 1%, yet contracts are still going to raise 8% or 5%, meaning teams are going to get crunched next offseason.
RE: Can't see magic  
nygiants16 : 4/14/2017 9:56 am : link
In comment 13428239 giantsfan44ab said:
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and especially the new agent GM pushing for Melo.


buss is on record saying she hired magic to turn around the lakers quickly and wants an all star on the team next year...

magic was not hired for a slow rebuild
Miami  
TyreeHelmet : 4/14/2017 9:58 am : link
What about moving Melo to Miami for Bosh's cap number and Winslow? Or something like that. I've heard rumblings about this type of deal with Miami recently. Carmelo would actually fit very well there at the 4 next to Whiteside. Would you do it ?
Isn't it about opportunity cost?  
giantsfan44ab : 4/14/2017 10:03 am : link
What are the Knicks going to spend that cap money on? Kevin Durant? No. Rudy Gay? I'd hope not.

It would suck having half your salary cap filled with bad contracts but I also don't see where these "good" contracts they will be turning down to do so. You can move lee easily to create cap room if that's a major concern. Might have 1 year where you go over the tax line to pay for KP, d-lo and Willy.

A bigger concern for me is how you'd build an elite NBA defense with D-lo and Willy being 2 major pieces.
RE: RE: Can't see magic  
giantsfan44ab : 4/14/2017 10:06 am : link
In comment 13428282 nygiants16 said:
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and especially the new agent GM pushing for Melo.



buss is on record saying she hired magic to turn around the lakers quickly and wants an all star on the team next year...

magic was not hired for a slow rebuild


It depends on the pick really. I can't imagine them going all out in acquiring vets iff the sixers get their pick. That's not something that's going to be relayed to the media in clear terms.

And Melo is hardly an all star. If you're getting the bad contracts off the books, that's a different story. Then it's not as much about getting Melo as it is clearing room for the summer of george.
Another thing is that wirh our dysfunction  
robbieballs2003 : 4/14/2017 10:09 am : link
Even if we had cap room is any major FA coming here? Possibly but not likely. The way to change that is to start winning. In order for that to happen I wouldn't mind taking back some bad contracts if it nets us a much better younger player in return and/or picks. Now, I am not talking about 5 year deals but if the bad contract is like a 2 year deal then I am all for it.
KD plans on re-signing with GS  
giantsfan44ab : 4/14/2017 10:24 am : link
shocker. Didn't want to see what the Cavs could offer in the case the Warriors didn't win this year? Bold move on his part.
Ingram,  
Jon in NYC : 4/14/2017 10:30 am : link
Ennis, Deng for Melo

Who says no?
RE: Another thing is that wirh our dysfunction  
mfsd : 4/14/2017 10:31 am : link
In comment 13428294 robbieballs2003 said:
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Even if we had cap room is any major FA coming here? Possibly but not likely. The way to change that is to start winning. In order for that to happen I wouldn't mind taking back some bad contracts if it nets us a much better younger player in return and/or picks. Now, I am not talking about 5 year deals but if the bad contract is like a 2 year deal then I am all for it.


Yeah, but Phils rings...
RE: Ingram,  
DanMetroMan : 4/14/2017 10:31 am : link
In comment 13428320 Jon in NYC said:
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Ennis, Deng for Melo

Who says no?


Unless it's all BS, the Lakers have really been talking up Ingram's late season "development" so I strongly suspect they would be the ones to say no.
Ingram  
DanMetroMan : 4/14/2017 10:33 am : link
second half 13 points, 4 boards, 3 assists on 48% from the field. I'm not even a massive fan of his but if I'm the Lakers that's a hard no.
RE: Ingram  
Jon in NYC : 4/14/2017 10:35 am : link
In comment 13428326 DanMetroMan said:
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second half 13 points, 4 boards, 3 assists on 48% from the field. I'm not even a massive fan of his but if I'm the Lakers that's a hard no.


I mean Melo has to be worth SOMETHING.

A subpar rookie year from Brandon Ingram probably qualifies.

As nyg16 said, the Lakers seem pretty intent on adding a star. What other route can they go?
RE: RE: Ingram  
DanMetroMan : 4/14/2017 10:37 am : link
In comment 13428331 Jon in NYC said:
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second half 13 points, 4 boards, 3 assists on 48% from the field. I'm not even a massive fan of his but if I'm the Lakers that's a hard no.



I mean Melo has to be worth SOMETHING.

A subpar rookie year from Brandon Ingram probably qualifies.

As nyg16 said, the Lakers seem pretty intent on adding a star. What other route can they go?


Again, I'm not a huge Ingram fan but he was 19 years old this season and went #2 overall. I'd be pretty stunned if they dealt him in a deal for Melo. For a Butler/PG13? Sure. The Lakers are almost certainly going to aim for PG13 before looking at other options. I suspect people are going to be very disappointed if they are expecting even an Ingram caliber young player return (and for the third time I'm not even a huge believer in him).
RE: RE: Ingram  
giantsfan44ab : 4/14/2017 10:37 am : link
In comment 13428331 Jon in NYC said:
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second half 13 points, 4 boards, 3 assists on 48% from the field. I'm not even a massive fan of his but if I'm the Lakers that's a hard no.



I mean Melo has to be worth SOMETHING.

A subpar rookie year from Brandon Ingram probably qualifies.

As nyg16 said, the Lakers seem pretty intent on adding a star. What other route can they go?


I think Ingram is their top asset now. It seems Clarkson and to a lesser extent D-lo and Randle are the ones to be parted with. If I was the Lakers no chance I'm getting rid of Ingram unless I'm getting a sub-25 all star caliber player in return.
Lakers, Celtics, OKC and Washington  
bceagle05 : 4/14/2017 10:39 am : link
have enough to make a Melo trade worthwhile for us. I want no part of the garbage the Clips or Cavs will try to give us. I'm hoping the Celtics lose a tough series to Cleveland and decide that Fultz (or whoever) + Melo (whom they can acquire for their "B" trade package) can put them over the top next season.
And for clarification  
giantsfan44ab : 4/14/2017 10:40 am : link
I think Randle and zubac are their 2nd and 3rd best assets after Ingram but the pending max deal for Randle probably makes him easier to part with. Pacers would be smart to at least get a Randle type player if PG is destined to leave.
What is the history of guys  
Deej : 4/14/2017 10:42 am : link
like Deng getting traded (i.e. fell out of the rotation on a terrible team, 30+, 15-20% of cap salary with 3 YEARS left)? I honestly cant think of any bad contract with that much term that was traded when it was accepted that it was a bad contract (as opposed to the Knicks trading real assets for a former name player).

I know as fans we like to think that assets are everything, and so an Ingram-like asset plus a Deng is better than neither. But Im just not sure teams see things that way. You're signing yourself up for $22-25 million a year for basically Brandon Ingram. Is that such a good deal? Would most owners green light that?
RE: RE: RE: Ingram  
Deej : 4/14/2017 10:44 am : link
In comment 13428339 giantsfan44ab said:
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second half 13 points, 4 boards, 3 assists on 48% from the field. I'm not even a massive fan of his but if I'm the Lakers that's a hard no.



I mean Melo has to be worth SOMETHING.

A subpar rookie year from Brandon Ingram probably qualifies.

As nyg16 said, the Lakers seem pretty intent on adding a star. What other route can they go?



I think Ingram is their top asset now. It seems Clarkson and to a lesser extent D-lo and Randle are the ones to be parted with. If I was the Lakers no chance I'm getting rid of Ingram unless I'm getting a sub-25 all star caliber player in return.


I think their top asset is their 2017 (or 2018) #1 pick.
I'd do Melo for  
giantsfan44ab : 4/14/2017 10:44 am : link
Kanter, grant and abrines.

Grant has the appearance of a 3 and D wing. Abrines is a sharpshooter.
You're correct Deej  
giantsfan44ab : 4/14/2017 10:45 am : link
I meant more from just their player standpoint.
I would rather have Randle  
Jon in NYC : 4/14/2017 10:45 am : link
than Ingram.
OKC  
DanMetroMan : 4/14/2017 10:45 am : link
can't trade their pick until 2022. Same shit as LAC and CLE. Sabonis + Abrines and the Bulls 2018 2nd (owed to OKC).
It's hard thinking of a circumstance they'd  
giantsfan44ab : 4/14/2017 10:45 am : link
Part with that pick though.
RE: I would rather have Randle  
Deej : 4/14/2017 10:50 am : link
In comment 13428354 Jon in NYC said:
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than Ingram.


I probably prefer Ingram. I think he just fits a lot better no matter what you want to do style/personnel wise. Whereas Russell is a guy who others will have to fit around, both on offense and defense.
RE: It's hard thinking of a circumstance they'd  
Deej : 4/14/2017 10:53 am : link
In comment 13428356 giantsfan44ab said:
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Part with that pick though.


For Melo, yeah. If they keep it, it is Jackson, Fultz, or Ball.

I could see them trading it for George (like the Love trade) in an offseason where they get both George and Melo. The #1 plus another young asset and a bad contract for George. Would catapult Indy into a rebuild, but that's probably better than just 50-50 losing George (given no clear path to leaping to contention even with George).
Apparently  
DanMetroMan : 4/14/2017 10:56 am : link
the buzz is more than 1 lottery team has Jackson #1 on their board and that "supposedly" includes at least 1 team that could use a PG. Could be us, could be anyone. Just interesting.
RE: I would rather have Randle  
TyreeHelmet : 4/14/2017 10:56 am : link
In comment 13428354 Jon in NYC said:
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than Ingram.


I think Randle would fit very nicely next to KP. But I don't see the Lakers trading for Melo unless it was to dump the Deng or Mozgov contracts.

I hope I'm wrong but I don't see the Knicks getting anything valuable in return for Melo.
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DanMetroMan : 4/14/2017 10:59 am : link
In comment 13428373 TyreeHelmet said:
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than Ingram.



I think Randle would fit very nicely next to KP. But I don't see the Lakers trading for Melo unless it was to dump the Deng or Mozgov contracts.

I hope I'm wrong but I don't see the Knicks getting anything valuable in return for Melo.


Same. At this point I'm just praying for not taking back a bad deal (without being compensated for it of course).
If the Knicks are able to move Melo this offseason for assets  
Keith : 4/14/2017 11:00 am : link
than giving him the NTC wasn't the worst move by Jax. If we have to take crap back or we are limited to 2-3 teams, than it was.

When Boston gets knocked out. You think they'd be interested in Melo+Knicks pick(probably 6/7) for the #1 overall and fillers?
Also, if Cleveland doesn't win,  
Keith : 4/14/2017 11:00 am : link
I fully expect them to be willing to move Love for Melo.
Boston  
DanMetroMan : 4/14/2017 11:03 am : link
has the most interesting pieces of the teams we "realistically" think he would go. I'm not going to even concern myself with fantasies of getting a top 3 pick (even in a Melo + our pick swap) but even without that, Boston has multiple guys I'd be "happy" with.
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