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NFT: Knicks Chat: Melo open to other teams?

DanMetroMan : 4/14/2017 7:54 am
Anthony didn’t suggest he would limit his potential destinations to just playing in Cleveland or Los Angeles with his buddies, LeBron James and Chris Paul. Though he hated the Celtics as a kid, Anthony probably can envision himself in green with the No. 1-seeded team in the Eastern Conference from Boston. A hat collector, Anthony already has some greenish-colored chapeaus. When he was asked in February at TD Garden if it would be strange to play for Boston, Anthony said, “Maybe strange to you.’’

And what about the Wizards? They are his true hometown team, which could use a dynamic small forward to pair with a sizzling backcourt of John Wall and Bradley Beal. Anthony, who moved from Brooklyn to Baltimore at age 9, may even adore anti-triangle coach Scott Brooks, who joked at the Garden last week that “I just run one play.
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RE: Eh...  
Deej : 4/15/2017 2:06 pm : link
In comment 13429590 shockeyisthebest8056 said:
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I honestly don't care what we get back for Melo, as long as it's not a long-term contract. I just want him off the team, even if it means a buy-out (extreme worst case scenario). When the lottery pick shows up for freakin' Summer League, I don't want Melo around. I just want to move on. Everyone with a brain should want to move on.

Derrick Rose? No. Just no.


Why do you care about a long term contract if we are rebuilding? Free agents arent coming here until we're good. We should use our cap space to get other assets (ie contract dumps). For example, if LA wants to compete, give them Melo AND take back Deng -- they'll pay more in futures.
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DanMetroMan : 4/15/2017 5:17 pm : link
The Knicks are ridiculous but @NYPost_Berman's article noting Jackson hired Hornacek over Rambis due to age is absurd 54 vs. 59 #Knicks
Like anyone should care that Derrick Rose is "fuming".  
Ten Ton Hammer : 4/15/2017 5:58 pm : link
Look in the mirror, Rose.
Melo and KOQ  
giantsfan44ab : 4/15/2017 8:01 pm : link
for Carroll, JV, and Joseph?

Toronto does it to lower their tax bill (cut $7M) and get overall better players.

NY takes on a bad contract, gets a solid PG on the cheap and JV who is a pretty damn good center. Can flip JV later on too if you think Willy will be better, he's on a fair contract.
RE: Melo and KOQ  
Jon in NYC : 4/15/2017 8:06 pm : link
In comment 13429858 giantsfan44ab said:
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for Carroll, JV, and Joseph?

Toronto does it to lower their tax bill (cut $7M) and get overall better players.

NY takes on a bad contract, gets a solid PG on the cheap and JV who is a pretty damn good center. Can flip JV later on too if you think Willy will be better, he's on a fair contract.


Not sure Toronto touches that, but I'd do it in a second.
RE: RE: Melo and KOQ  
giantsfan44ab : 4/15/2017 8:11 pm : link
In comment 13429863 Jon in NYC said:
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In comment 13429858 giantsfan44ab said:


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for Carroll, JV, and Joseph?

Toronto does it to lower their tax bill (cut $7M) and get overall better players.

NY takes on a bad contract, gets a solid PG on the cheap and JV who is a pretty damn good center. Can flip JV later on too if you think Willy will be better, he's on a fair contract.



Not sure Toronto touches that, but I'd do it in a second.


It would make sense for Toronto IMO. They were looking for JV trades at the deadline to get under the tax. Delon Wright played well for them and can take up Joseph's minutes easy. JV doesn't get full minutes in the playoffs, KOQ and Poetl can replace his production. Melo is a massive upgrade over Carroll.
Woj  
Jon in NYC : 4/15/2017 10:31 pm : link
just ethered the Knicks again.
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That's a good - yet sobering - read.  
bceagle05 : 4/15/2017 10:44 pm : link
Good for Porzingis - he's the only one who seems to care about this franchise.
Until this year I was patient with Jackson, and old favorite  
yatqb : 4/15/2017 11:16 pm : link
of mine. But this is ridiculous. How can you undermine your coach continually and expect the team to be disciplined and play as a unit? How can a team have three coaches...when you do you have none.
Rambis still being on the coaching staff after last  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 4/15/2017 11:33 pm : link
season's interim abomination is completely ridiculous. Literally all of the players hated him.

That being said, Kristaps Porzingis is not fucking LeBron James. He hasn't accomplished a thing in this league. The Knicks are "on the clock" with him? Can he have a season with 4 good months before I read horseshit like this?
KP works hard  
Phil in LA : 4/15/2017 11:50 pm : link
And has said after almost all of their wins that they "played right." He probably probably gets pretty frustrated all those times they don't.
KPs issue is not with the triangle  
nygiants16 : 4/16/2017 12:57 am : link
he has said numerous times he wants to run it more...

i think he is frustrated with the constant change and the constant bickering and the constant losing
RE: Woj  
nygiants16 : 4/16/2017 12:58 am : link
In comment 13429973 Jon in NYC said:
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just ethered the Knicks again. Link - ( New Window )


woj also absolutely hates the knicks, so he must love this
Can anyone confirm  
colin : 4/16/2017 4:13 am : link
If this is real? It's an Instagram repost of an Al Iannazzone tweet stating Phil thinks KP is not ready to be the man, and he's "not untouchable."

I swear to god if they trade KP I'm done with the Knicks til Phil and Dolan are gone.
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RE: Can anyone confirm  
Sgrcts : 4/16/2017 8:13 am : link
In comment 13430018 colin said:
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If this is real? It's an Instagram repost of an Al Iannazzone tweet stating Phil thinks KP is not ready to be the man, and he's "not untouchable."

I swear to god if they trade KP I'm done with the Knicks til Phil and Dolan are gone. Link - ( New Window )




That is a real tweet and I am in 150% agreement with you.
What KP should habe done  
nygiants16 : 4/16/2017 8:30 am : link
is go to his exit meeting and let out hia frustrations, him skipling meetings is the last thing he should be doing..

The knicks are about to put their franchise on his back amd he cant attend a simple exot meeting? seems pretty selfish to me, even Melo who has all the reason in the world to say fuck this went to the meeting...

whoevwr told him it was a good idea kp needs to tell him to go away..

and also fuck the media right now, spinning everytbing to be bad, phil never said he would trade kp and all he said was he still has a lot to grow into to become the lead dog, how is that bad?

also fuck woj, the toolbag rips the knicks any chance he gets because they do not feed him stories, whem.phil was hired he ripped the knicks, but 2 days earlier when he said he was going to the lakers he praised it and said it would be a great move..

he writes with agendas llain and simple
RE: What KP should habe done  
Sgrcts : 4/16/2017 9:35 am : link
In comment 13430056 nygiants16 said:
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is go to his exit meeting and let out hia frustrations, him skipling meetings is the last thing he should be doing..

The knicks are about to put their franchise on his back amd he cant attend a simple exot meeting? seems pretty selfish to me, even Melo who has all the reason in the world to say fuck this went to the meeting...

whoevwr told him it was a good idea kp needs to tell him to go away..

and also fuck the media right now, spinning everytbing to be bad, phil never said he would trade kp and all he said was he still has a lot to grow into to become the lead dog, how is that bad?

also fuck woj, the toolbag rips the knicks any chance he gets because they do not feed him stories, whem.phil was hired he ripped the knicks, but 2 days earlier when he said he was going to the lakers he praised it and said it would be a great move..

he writes with agendas llain and simple


Woj is easily one of the most respected NBA writers. He's saying the same thing every other writer and a huge chunk of Knicks fans are saying.

Phil is running a clown show. It's getting worse instead of better. Knicks front office easily looks like the worst in the NBA right now. How anyone can go into this offseason with any hope for Phil to do the right thing is beyond me. He's been GM for 3 offseason and has one good draft to show for it. Everything else he's done has been basically garbage.
umm woj is not a respected writer  
nygiants16 : 4/16/2017 9:42 am : link
he is respected for breaking stories but when he writes articlez he writes with bias and favors whoever leaks him stories..

This is the same guy who said the knicks would sign no one because donnie walsh was in a wheelchair and basically was a mouthpiece for the nets..
he has admitted this several times  
nygiants16 : 4/16/2017 9:45 am : link
even wrote an article about how he gets stories and what he does for teams to get in their good graces and what he does to teams who do not feed him stories..

it is fact that he has zero sources within the knicks
RE: Can anyone confirm  
Deej : 4/16/2017 10:05 am : link
In comment 13430018 colin said:
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If this is real? It's an Instagram repost of an Al Iannazzone tweet stating Phil thinks KP is not ready to be the man, and he's "not untouchable."

I swear to god if they trade KP I'm done with the Knicks til Phil and Dolan are gone. Link - ( New Window )


Source ofthis is the press conference. Phil wouldnt call anyone untouchable. It was garbled but I think his point on being the man was more about being the #1 scoring option. But in any event, I agree KP isnt ready. But all the great players other than Kawhi basically get thrown to the Wolves in this regard and become the man by learning on the job. You fail at being the man before you succeed.
Jackson  
TyreeHelmet : 4/16/2017 10:09 am : link
It is truly shocking to me any Knick fan could defend Phil Jackson at this point. Based off that bizarre presser, he looks clueless, out of touch and delusional. The more you hear him speak about roster composition, the more you realize he is clueless to being a good GM in the NBA. He will completely botch this offseason, no doubt about it. KP sent a message loud and clear.

And you can say Woj has a bias but what he is though is very well informed. Just look at the guests on his podcasts. He knows the NBA inside and out, and that article was spot on about everything. I don't think there is worse runs sports franchise than the Knicks currently.

And for anyone that points to the KP draft pick, maybe that's just the one thing he got lucky at and all his other moves are a reflection of his executive skills.
RE: the  
Deej : 4/16/2017 10:11 am : link
In comment 13428767 Steve in Greenwich said:
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medias damn obsession with the triangle is tiring. I don't give a shit about the triangle, stop asking about the triangle. This Knicks team lacks talent to run any system. They're bad. Lets talk and worry about what system they are running when it actually makes a difference.


Thinking back to Steve's post, I think the triangle issue is a big deal. The triangle offense is literally a way of life to Phil -- he conflates it with how you should treat other people. It's part of his zen stuff. Based on Woj's reporting, it's pretty clear that Phil's imposition of the triangle is hurting the team. The coach doesnt know it and doesnt want it. The players resent the summer school, and someone at least resents the "laborious emails". Lee said playing the triangle in practice hurt their defensive training vis a vis the offenses everyone else runs.

Re KP: I dont think Phil has any issue with KP. KP is surely frustrated. Not clear if it is triangle related. It probably is, but not based on a personal opinion about the merits of the scheme. I dont think KP will walk after his first deal, since no one does. But in a post-Melo world he's probably the one guy capable of getting to Dolan about Phil -- if he wants to.
KP is on record  
nygiants16 : 4/16/2017 10:20 am : link
saying he wanted the triangle run more and wanted to run it from the start of the season
ha phil done a good job? fuck no  
nygiants16 : 4/16/2017 10:28 am : link
but i am willing to give him an off season where he doesnt have to build for now around melo..

i am also willinh to give hornacek a chance with a team full of young players..

the triangle is only a big deal because the media makes it out to be, remember this is the same media that said phil was forcing the triangle early in the season, when in actuality they barely ran it
You're in a  
Jon in NYC : 4/16/2017 10:40 am : link
boat without a paddle my friend.

Time to call a spade a spade. Other than drafting KP, almost every move Phil has made has been an epic blunder.
RE: You're in a  
nygiants16 : 4/16/2017 10:53 am : link
In comment 13430123 Jon in NYC said:
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boat without a paddle my friend.

Time to call a spade a spade. Other than drafting KP, almost every move Phil has made has been an epic blunder.


oh i know he has been terrible...

and if he goes for another quick fix like sign holiday to 100 million i wont defend him again
RE: You're in a  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 4/16/2017 11:49 am : link
In comment 13430123 Jon in NYC said:
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boat without a paddle my friend.

Time to call a spade a spade. Other than drafting KP, almost every move Phil has made has been an epic blunder.


Basketball writers hate the organization (pre-Phil) and hate Phil (pre-Knicks), so everything is made to be 10 times worse than it really is. I saw Windhorst 2 days ago say the Knicks were a 50 win team before Phil got here. We all know that's not true. It was 2 years and the following season was a clusterfuck of quitters and check stealers... that's why Phil was hired. Woj HATES the Knicks and the fact that anyone gives a shit what he thinks about the team after his Donnie Walsh comments is crazy. And I think that leads to the over the top comments like yours. Almost every move he's made isn't an epic blunder. They just don't have enough good players and that's less about Phil than the roster and draft pick trades made before he was here. The T'Wolves have 2 number one overall picks and Thibs, who's supposedly a great coach. They won the same amount of games as the Knicks and they weren't even tanking. Dallas has a championship coach and they won 2 more games than the Knicks. Phil certainly isn't perfect, but the media "Everything is a disaster!@$@@!!!" storyline is too much. If given the choice between the bigger problem with the Knicks right now... Phil or the fact they've had only 2 draft choices in the past 3 years, I'm choosing the latter. People are killing Phil over his Melo comments and what was wrong with them? It hasn't worked here and it is best for all parties involved that Melo goes elsewhere. These media guys making Melo a victim... should they ask MDA about Melo after he gets his Coach of the Year award? Chances are the comments won't be pretty.

Phil's leash isn't and shouldn't be particularly long, but I'm perfectly willing to see how he builds the team post-Melo and with a full collection of draft picks. Making dumb signings like Noah has hurt his credibility, so he needs to get things rolling in the right direction as soon as Melo is out the door.
It isn't even the roster moves  
Jon in NYC : 4/16/2017 11:53 am : link
with Phil. You can justify re-signing Melo. You can justify the trades for Grant and Rose. And signing Lee and Noah to try to make the playoffs in a weak east.

But the Fisher drama, undermining Hornacek, insisting on Rambis as coach. Calling out his players in the press. That stuff is bush league. It's embarrassing. If it was just the player moves, I don't think people would be all that upset with him.
If land a good player in the top 8  
bceagle05 : 4/16/2017 11:55 am : link
this season will have been a success. If we make a Melo trade that isn't a total fleecing, this offseason will likely be a success. The rest is just noise, in my opinion.
The roster  
Jon in NYC : 4/16/2017 11:57 am : link
makeup isn't dire.

They have two real building blocks in Willy and KP.

They will add a 3rd in the draft. They should add a 4th with a Melo trade.

All of a sudden if they play it well they should have a core 4 guys to build around with no bad contracts on the books other than Noahs.
But I agree about the dysfunction.  
bceagle05 : 4/16/2017 11:57 am : link
When your team sucks, it's better to quietly suck.
RE: The roster  
nygiants16 : 4/16/2017 12:22 pm : link
In comment 13430182 Jon in NYC said:
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makeup isn't dire.

They have two real building blocks in Willy and KP.

They will add a 3rd in the draft. They should add a 4th with a Melo trade.

All of a sudden if they play it well they should have a core 4 guys to build around with no bad contracts on the books other than Noahs.


and then if all goes 1 more year of being in the lottery, maybe get lucky and get doncic or porter jr
Even with the expectation  
giantsfan44ab : 4/16/2017 12:47 pm : link
that KP and WH make jumps next season, it's hard to envision next year's winning % being drastically different than this year. Rose/Melo weren't the best but they won us a handful games.

I also expect teams like Phoenix, MIN, and Philly to make drastic improvements. Hopefully the Lakers do something to get better. I think a top 5 pick in 2018 is a reasonable expectation.
RE: The roster  
Sgrcts : 4/16/2017 12:48 pm : link
In comment 13430182 Jon in NYC said:
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makeup isn't dire.

They have two real building blocks in Willy and KP.

They will add a 3rd in the draft. They should add a 4th with a Melo trade.

All of a sudden if they play it well they should have a core 4 guys to build around with no bad contracts on the books other than Noahs.


Willy is not a real building block, not as of yet. I'm a huge Wily fan but to call him a building block is crazy, especially since he still might be blocking KP's true position. He might be best as the first big man off the bench ala Kanter. He can be a piece of a winning team, but a big man with the type of defense he plays has a long way to go before he's a building block.
Also  
Sgrcts : 4/16/2017 12:49 pm : link
if the Knicks are looking at deals like Austin Rivers for Melo, don't expect a building block for Melo either.

Knicks REALLY need the Cavs and Celtics to woefully underperform this playoffs.
They would've made the Clips deal at the deadline  
bceagle05 : 4/16/2017 12:53 pm : link
if all they wanted was Rivers. If they turn around and do the same deal this summer that'll be a massive failure.
RE: You're in a  
LauderdaleMatty : 4/16/2017 1:03 pm : link
In comment 13430123 Jon in NYC said:
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boat without a paddle my friend.

Time to call a spade a spade. Other than drafting KP, almost every move Phil has made has been an epic blunder.


This Jackson other than KP and Willy is a total disaster. Just as bad as Isaiah. Sorry but havin Kobe amd Shaw ans Jordan and Pippen has jist addled the minds of too many. He's part of those successes but his whole fixation w the triangle is a joke. It would be like Jerry Reese forcing McAdoo to run the triple option.

Forget fellow Knick fans. We are still fucked for years to come
We need more  
Phil in LA : 4/16/2017 2:42 pm : link
Picks.
At this point  
colin : 4/16/2017 2:58 pm : link
I can't foresee the Knicks being able to keep KP past his rookie contract.
He'll probably  
Phil in LA : 4/16/2017 3:00 pm : link
Stay. Changes are coming.
RE: At this point  
giantsfan44ab : 4/16/2017 3:10 pm : link
In comment 13430292 colin said:
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I can't foresee the Knicks being able to keep KP past his rookie contract.


And where is reasonable historical evidence for that? The only 1st rounders that don't stay with a team past their rookie deal are teams that don't want to pay them (e.g. Monroe) or that are traded.

KP will stay in NY if the only reason is receiving the max extension when it becomes available or extending him 5 years $200M when hes a RFA. There's really no precedent for what you are suggesting.
giantsfan  
colin : 4/16/2017 3:35 pm : link
Maybe I'm just being doom and gloom, but he's already had 3 coaches, and the Knicks are, objectively, one of the poorest run franchises in sports right now, and I don't see that improving. Watching the way Melo has been treated, the disarray the team is in with no real light at the end of the tunnel, and the fact that KP has, in many different ways, shown his that he has a desire to achieve greatness, I don't think it's out of the realm of possibilities for him to take a pay cut to be on a team with a future.

A lot can change over the next few years. And truthfully, I didn't know that it would be "unprecedented" for him to not resign, but with Phil being extended, and Dolan showing no signs of changing or moving on, I think it's easy to see this team isn't destine for greatness any time soon.

That being said, I'm wrong all the time, and also kind of a moron, so who knows? Just the Knicks are truly becoming a sink hole of a team, and IMHO, anyone with sense and talent wouldn't subject themselves to this for longer than required.
RE: giantsfan  
giantsfan44ab : 4/16/2017 3:38 pm : link
In comment 13430321 colin said:
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Maybe I'm just being doom and gloom, but he's already had 3 coaches, and the Knicks are, objectively, one of the poorest run franchises in sports right now, and I don't see that improving. Watching the way Melo has been treated, the disarray the team is in with no real light at the end of the tunnel, and the fact that KP has, in many different ways, shown his that he has a desire to achieve greatness, I don't think it's out of the realm of possibilities for him to take a pay cut to be on a team with a future.

A lot can change over the next few years. And truthfully, I didn't know that it would be "unprecedented" for him to not resign, but with Phil being extended, and Dolan showing no signs of changing or moving on, I think it's easy to see this team isn't destine for greatness any time soon.

That being said, I'm wrong all the time, and also kind of a moron, so who knows? Just the Knicks are truly becoming a sink hole of a team, and IMHO, anyone with sense and talent wouldn't subject themselves to this for longer than required.


Yeah all that depressing stuff is frustrating KP, but as to forcing him to demand a trade/ walk in RFA, I can't remember a time that's ever happened.

He's not the only player on a rookie deal to play for a miserable franchise. Anthony Davis extended in NO (albeit after they made the playoffs, but the coach was fired). Demarcus Cousins wanted to be traded his rookie year yet extended when FA came around and would've extended had he not been traded.

Post year-9 FA is when there is volatility to who stays/leaves. So the Knicks have roughly 7 years to convince KP that NY is the place to be. This is (hopefully) rock bottom.
giantsfan  
colin : 4/16/2017 3:44 pm : link
I hope you're right, and you probably are, you seem more knowledgeable on the topic than myself. I think the past 15 or so years of being a Knicks fan has just conditioned me to expect the worst, haha.
right now playing with melo all kp knows  
nygiants16 : 4/16/2017 3:52 pm : link
guaranteed whem he is the number 1 optikn surrounded by young guys who play hard and play defense he will be much happier..

plus one of his best friends is on the team and they re the future front court
RE: RE: giantsfan  
Deej : 4/16/2017 4:00 pm : link
In comment 13430323 giantsfan44ab said:
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Post year-9 FA is when there is volatility to who stays/leaves. So the Knicks have roughly 7 years to convince KP that NY is the place to be. This is (hopefully) rock bottom.


And the new CBA was designed to greatly improve the chances of teams resigning their picks to 3rd contracts.
Without  
DanMetroMan : 4/16/2017 4:31 pm : link
sounding like I don't like Willy (because I really do), would those who call him a building block say Kanter is one? Because Kanter is essentially a maxed out version of what we can realistically dream Willy CAN be.
RE: Without  
Deej : 4/16/2017 4:38 pm : link
In comment 13430381 DanMetroMan said:
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sounding like I don't like Willy (because I really do), would those who call him a building block say Kanter is one? Because Kanter is essentially a maxed out version of what we can realistically dream Willy CAN be.


I reject the premise. Willy is already a better rebounder, especially defensively. And I see no reason to believe that, because Kanter cant play a lick of defense, that Willy is somehow capped at being a bottom 3 defensive center. If Kanter was even just below average defensively, he'd be an all star or near all star. On the other hand, I wouldnt project Willy to ever be as good as Kanter is offensively.

Notably, people within the game have thrown around Gasol and not Kanter with their WH comps. Lets see where this goes.
RE: RE: Without  
DanMetroMan : 4/16/2017 5:19 pm : link
In comment 13430385 Deej said:
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In comment 13430381 DanMetroMan said:


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sounding like I don't like Willy (because I really do), would those who call him a building block say Kanter is one? Because Kanter is essentially a maxed out version of what we can realistically dream Willy CAN be.



I reject the premise. Willy is already a better rebounder, especially defensively. And I see no reason to believe that, because Kanter cant play a lick of defense, that Willy is somehow capped at being a bottom 3 defensive center. If Kanter was even just below average defensively, he'd be an all star or near all star. On the other hand, I wouldnt project Willy to ever be as good as Kanter is offensively.

Notably, people within the game have thrown around Gasol and not Kanter with their WH comps. Lets see where this goes.


I just think people are underrating how far WIlly has to come defensively to be a "good" defensive player. If I had to use an adjective I'd use something closer to "horrible" defensively than "below average". I didn't see any "signs" he's ever going to be even average defensively. I keep seeing people mention Gasol but Gasol was a guy who 1. Unusual defensive development 2. MASSIVE change in his body.
Well  
DanMetroMan : 4/16/2017 5:22 pm : link
once we add PJ Tucker the defense will be improved. Tuck Tuck Tuck
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