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NFT: NY Rangers at Montreal Canadiens - Game 2 - tonight 7p

B in ALB : 4/14/2017 12:35 pm
Well here we are comrades. Game 2. Up 1-0. Huge opportunity for the squad following a nice win on Wednesday.

Biggest game of the year.

Let me repeat that.

Biggest game of the year.

We simply cannot allow the whiners from Montreal tie the series up at one. Cannot. Allow. It. They're going to be in full desperation mode tonight skating like hell, hitting everything that moves, and of course crying, bitching and moaning to the refs. It wouldn't be a game against the Canadiens if their players, coaches and fans weren't crying about something. Weather the storm, stay composed, and don't get sucked into the CONNERIE that is certain to come.

We need a big game from everyone here tonight. You know who you are. And you know what to do.

Biggest game of the year.

Biggest. Game. Of. The. Year.

LGR.

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G hasn't been bad at all  
Greg from LI : 4/14/2017 10:36 pm : link
Credit where it's due - he's playing a simple game and it's been effective.

Colorado is the worst D in the league. Holden couldn't stick there. Draw your own conclusions
These two teams  
pjcas18 : 4/14/2017 10:36 pm : link
are very similar.

Not surprised the games are so close.
RE: Lundqvist was the only guy keeping them in for most of the 3rd and OT  
mfsd : 4/14/2017 10:37 pm : link
In comment 13429341 dpinzow said:
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Can't win when the ice is tilted like that


Yup. Missed our chance to put it away when Grabner whiffed on his second breakaway. Tried to hang on, fell 19 seconds short.

Playoff hockey is awesome, but losses like that are a gut punch
Skjei-Smith should be the second pairing  
Anakim : 4/14/2017 10:41 pm : link
5v5 shots +/-:

Girardi-McDonagh = -21
Holden-Staal = -5
Smith-Skjei = +1



Take out Holden, put in Klein and have Staal-Klein be the third pair
RE: RE: AV  
MetsAreBack : 4/14/2017 10:42 pm : link
In comment 13429347 Essex said:
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In comment 13429336 MetsAreBack said:


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Giveth and he takes away.

Lucky to be 1-1



We are 13 seconds away from being up 2-0, maybe the most idiotic comment I have heard all night. There is no such thing as style points in the playoffs. We had the series and we pissed it away


Who are you?

Anyway yeah I guess when your goalie saves 88 out of 90 shots with 18 seconds left (where did you get your 13 number from or did you just make it up like cnn?) -- a coach gets let off the hook for a generally poor gameplan in this series

We were badly outplayed through two games and I'm ecstatic to be 1-1. This is a painful way to lose but I'm hoping it was a wake up call to play ... You know ... Our best players and let the chips fall where they may. You sure as shit aren't beating the caps or penguins with 3 lines with no lottery picks and a below average D against them anyway so why bother
RE: G hasn't been bad at all  
BrettNYG10 : 4/14/2017 10:43 pm : link
In comment 13429349 Greg from LI said:
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Credit where it's due - he's playing a simple game and it's been effective.

Colorado is the worst D in the league. Holden couldn't stick there. Draw your own conclusions


I thought he was atrocious tonight. Multiple times he didn't over his guy in front, that awful turnover in the first that led to a breakaway.

He's no longer the biggest issue on D, though.
RE: These two teams  
BrettNYG10 : 4/14/2017 10:44 pm : link
In comment 13429350 pjcas18 said:
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are very similar.

Not surprised the games are so close.


I think the Habs are abusing the Rangers and Lundqvist is outplaying Price so far.

Congrats on the win. Something something refs.
RE: RE: RE: AV  
Essex : 4/14/2017 10:45 pm : link
In comment 13429356 MetsAreBack said:
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In comment 13429347 Essex said:


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In comment 13429336 MetsAreBack said:


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Giveth and he takes away.

Lucky to be 1-1



We are 13 seconds away from being up 2-0, maybe the most idiotic comment I have heard all night. There is no such thing as style points in the playoffs. We had the series and we pissed it away



Who are you?

Anyway yeah I guess when your goalie saves 88 out of 90 shots with 18 seconds left (where did you get your 13 number from or did you just make it up like cnn?) -- a coach gets let off the hook for a generally poor gameplan in this series

We were badly outplayed through two games and I'm ecstatic to be 1-1. This is a painful way to lose but I'm hoping it was a wake up call to play ... You know ... Our best players and let the chips fall where they may. You sure as shit aren't beating the caps or penguins with 3 lines with no lottery picks and a below average D against them anyway so why bother


Goalie doesn't count? Goals count and we were 17 seconds from being 2-0 so don't give me this we got outplayed. Who cares?
Hockey gods took  
Giantfootball025 : 4/14/2017 10:46 pm : link
one from us. I expect to get one back later. I'm not terribly pissed because we did what we had to and took 1 in MTL. But, we need to take care of business in our building.
Game 1 was dead even  
Kyle in NY : 4/14/2017 10:47 pm : link
Scoring chances, shots, all of it, don't exaggerate. And this one was right there for us. I don't give a shit about Corsi in the playoffs, just win. And we win this game if we put the correct defense out there at the end of the game.

Whether it's Beukeboom or AV, whoever is making the decisions on this defensive deployment has got to fucking go. Holden shouldnt play another second this season
RE: RE: These two teams  
pjcas18 : 4/14/2017 10:48 pm : link
In comment 13429361 BrettNYG10 said:
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are very similar.

Not surprised the games are so close.



I think the Habs are abusing the Rangers and Lundqvist is outplaying Price so far.

Congrats on the win. Something something refs.


Canadiens are definitely outplaying them and Hank is the reason it's 1 - 1, but I mean that's kind of what you expected from Montreal (them to be the ones whose goalie is keeping them in it).

I just think both goalies are capable of stealing games, both D get very fringy in terms of NHL quality as you get to the bottom pairs (want to trade Nesterov for Holden?) and their third lines are playing the best. The teams just play a similar style even if the ice is tilted one way or the other.

I wouldn't be shocked to see a reversal in NY.

Of course Goalies count  
MetsAreBack : 4/14/2017 10:50 pm : link
And we've got a really good one.

But they do too and when you put three on their guy in the playoffs you better fucking win.

I'm pissed as shit we can't control possession between the pipes against this team. It's completely incompetent and self inflicted
RE: Game 1 was dead even  
BrettNYG10 : 4/14/2017 10:51 pm : link
In comment 13429366 Kyle in NY said:
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Scoring chances, shots, all of it, don't exaggerate. And this one was right there for us. I don't give a shit about Corsi in the playoffs, just win. And we win this game if we put the correct defense out there at the end of the game.

Whether it's Beukeboom or AV, whoever is making the decisions on this defensive deployment has got to fucking go. Holden shouldnt play another second this season


AV gets the blame at this point - it's been multiple years the defense has been mismanaged.

I take back the abused line re: game one, you're right - especially when accounting for the early lead.
what a dick kick  
TexasGmenFan : 4/14/2017 10:54 pm : link
1. i think we had about 20% possession over the final 10 of the 3rd and OT.

2. fuck you Holden. the next good play he makes this series will be his first, since i'd be shocked if he rides the pine

3. tying goal: 1 white sweater to 3 red sweater ratio standing right in front of Hank. how does that happen...
No worries Brett  
Kyle in NY : 4/14/2017 10:59 pm : link
And I really haven't been one of the AV bashers traditionally. But tonight is just inexcusable. Literally cost the team the game
I also was very confused  
B in ALB : 4/14/2017 11:08 pm : link
And concerned by the defensive unit on the ice at the end of regulation. My gut told me that the game was lost right there.

Holden was the worst player on both teams by far. It was absolutely inexcusable at this point in the season.
.....  
BrettNYG10 : 4/14/2017 11:09 pm : link
I don't really know what the hell Holden's done to be worthy of the long leash. That's significantly more confusing to me than the G/Staal burn (which I still think is absurd).
AV is an absolute cancer  
BestFeature : 4/15/2017 12:39 am : link
He insists on playing the worst pair we've had all year and playing a lot in the playoffs, when you have a shitty but better option of either breaking them up or playing Klein. Then he plays them in the final seconds. To say I've had it with him would be an understatement.
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arcarsenal : 4/15/2017 3:25 am : link
Would rather have lost 4-2 in a game where we just got beat and that was that. To lose this game when we were 17 seconds away from leaving Montreal up 2-0 was absolutely crushing.

We got totally worked in OT. Absolutely zero possession. Just chasing, chasing, and chasing. Worst possible way to lose.

Henrik deserved so much better.

AV needs to replace Holden with Klein. We've all seen enough. It's time to make that change.

Brendan Smith was terrific again in this game. He's a really nice 2nd pair d-man.

Just a killer fucking loss when we had them beat.

Gotta put it behind us and take care of business at home. Impossible to know where the series will go from here - but I really hope we don't have to look back at this game as the one responsible for losing the series. Such a kick in the fucking balls.
Why Klein, who has his own issues?  
Matt M. : 4/15/2017 9:21 am : link
Clendening should be playing. But, I do agree Holden shouldn't play another second this post season. He was the worst player on the ice, by far, for us.
Ugh  
Ron Johnson 30 : 4/15/2017 9:30 am : link
That's all
Matt  
MetsAreBack : 4/15/2017 9:59 am : link
Most of us agree clendening is the most effective player of the 3 as he at least moves and possesses the puck well. But AV doesn't trust him so it's a non starter. Klein is safer in AVs eyes

Klein isn't much - but he's better than Holden. Hell I'd take stampfer over Holden. NH hasn't played at a professional level since January when his shot pct was north of 20%
I hate that  
bigbluehoya : 4/15/2017 10:09 am : link
one of our home games is Easter Sunday. Hope the place can still be lit.

I'll be at game 4.

We need to play so much better.
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BrettNYG10 : 4/15/2017 10:59 am : link
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The contract extension given to Rangers’ depth defenseman Steven Kampfer was less about the player he is and more about how much coach Alain Vigneault believes the most important attribute of a modern NHL defenseman is his skating ability.

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pjcas18 : 4/15/2017 12:26 pm : link
In comment 13429502 BrettNYG10 said:
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The contract extension given to Rangers’ depth defenseman Steven Kampfer was less about the player he is and more about how much coach Alain Vigneault believes the most important attribute of a modern NHL defenseman is his skating ability.

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That's hardly a modern philosophy. Many old school coaches all the way back to youth hockey would make their best skaters defenseman. They'd be able to still generate offense and help on the back end too. Much of my career the best skaters on my team were on D. I was always a forward until senior year in high school and then college when I switched to D.

Players like Leetch, Orr, Bourque, Karlsson, Coffey, Housley, etc. are/were probably the best skater on their teams all through their careers.

In this era though if you do that in a vacuum, you wind up with guys like Shattenkirk or Yandle which are needed but you can't win with those guys as your best D, and while I agree with AV in general you need stout defenseman too.
Best series of them all  
5BowlsSoon : 4/15/2017 12:44 pm : link
Yes, Habs outplayed Rangers, but they still were seconds away from being down 2-0. The bottom line is always the score, right? So, in a sense, when you score with seconds left to tie, you have to consider that very fortunate and very unlikely.

Habs big advantage is in their coach. Can't wait for game 3, but more importantly, tonight's game. GLG
So are we allowed  
Kyle in NY : 4/15/2017 1:11 pm : link
to talk about the wicked cross check Weber gave Grabner as he's about to get the puck out right before the goal, or will pj yell at us? Cause that's about as blatant as it gets. Weber is such a sneaky dirty player.

I guess I give him credit for knowing they're never gonna call anything in that spot. Wish Holden would do the same once he loses his stick and just wrap up Plekanac but instead he decides to go to his knees in the crease.

RE: So are we allowed  
pjcas18 : 4/15/2017 1:16 pm : link
In comment 13429586 Kyle in NY said:
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to talk about the wicked cross check Weber gave Grabner as he's about to get the puck out right before the goal, or will pj yell at us? Cause that's about as blatant as it gets. Weber is such a sneaky dirty player.

I guess I give him credit for knowing they're never gonna call anything in that spot. Wish Holden would do the same once he loses his stick and just wrap up Plekanac but instead he decides to go to his knees in the crease.

You can talk about whatever you want. Will you talk about the cross check Andrew Shaw took in the head in front of the net or Galchenyuk being tackled in front of the net, I don't dwell on those calls, I don't mean to seem defensive, you can talk about anything you want, this is America.

I will also talk about it though, sorry if you disagree with me and if my opinion offends you, but i'm not sorry.

I've never really heard Weber called dirty, though he is very physical and sometimes people confuse the two. But again, you can have whatever opinion you want.

The elbow that Zucc took to the head  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 4/15/2017 1:19 pm : link
probably pissed me off more than any other non-call.
Thank you  
Kyle in NY : 4/15/2017 1:37 pm : link
for letting me know I can have any opinion I want, I wasn't sure.

You are right though, there's never been any talk about Weber being dirty. It was super tough of him though to pick a fight with the smaller JT Miller and then continue throwing punches on the ice when his jersey is pulled over his head.
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RE: The elbow that Zucc took to the head  
5BowlsSoon : 4/15/2017 1:39 pm : link
In comment 13429591 shockeyisthebest8056 said:
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probably pissed me off more than any other non-call.


Zuc is so short, that is why it went to the head.
RE: Thank you  
5BowlsSoon : 4/15/2017 1:43 pm : link
In comment 13429613 Kyle in NY said:
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for letting me know I can have any opinion I want, I wasn't sure.

You are right though, there's never been any talk about Weber being dirty. It was super tough of him though to pick a fight with the smaller JT Miller and then continue throwing punches on the ice when his jersey is pulled over his head. Clean player - ( New Window )


I think Weber went off on Miller to,fire up,the fans even more. Trying to be a leader, you know. Hey, losing him for 5 minutes helped Rangers.
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BrettNYG10 : 4/15/2017 1:44 pm : link
Pj, I found it funny because there's a massive disconnect between what AV says and his usage. Guys like Staal/Girardi/Holden have been given priority over others. I know I value Yandle more than you, but I think we both agreed (or would have, if you cared enough to have an opinion) that Yandle was a better option last year for NYR than G/Staal, yet AV kept giving the others premium ice time.
Weber isn't a dirty player  
bigbluehoya : 4/15/2017 1:53 pm : link
He's a hard-nosed guy who can play as gritty as the game/series dictates. Right now I hate him, of course, but he's everything the rangers lack on defense and I think he's a respectable guy.

The only player in the series who I'd actually label as a dirty player is Shaw. Guys like him, Marchand, Gudas are the jerkoffs who are liable to get someone severely injured with their antics and I don't think the league comes down nearly hard enough on them in general.

If guys are going to continue to come in hot to the crease on whistles, I'm fine with no calls on the hits they take -- both ways -- within reason. The check to Shaw's head was right on the margin for me -- probably should have been called, but the hit wasn't really high...he was kind of down low and a hit at normal height caught him in the head.

Disclaimer -- I haven't re-watched the Shaw hit today so I'm working on recall.
Shaw and Ott  
Kyle in NY : 4/15/2017 2:01 pm : link
That hit on Zucc was predatory.

Weber probably isn't dirty, fine. But he walks the line. I was more giving him credit for the play on Grabner, doing whatever it took there, and instead more frustrated for it being allowed to go without a call. It literally saved the game
RE: ...  
pjcas18 : 4/15/2017 2:06 pm : link
In comment 13429619 BrettNYG10 said:
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Pj, I found it funny because there's a massive disconnect between what AV says and his usage. Guys like Staal/Girardi/Holden have been given priority over others. I know I value Yandle more than you, but I think we both agreed (or would have, if you cared enough to have an opinion) that Yandle was a better option last year for NYR than G/Staal, yet AV kept giving the others premium ice time.


I completely agree with that. I like Yandle, but I think he needs to be paired with a guy like Weber or Pronger or Chara in today's league or old schoolers like Ken Daneyko, to balance the play. I definitely wouldn't limit his playing time. he'd be a top 4 defenseman on most teams.

You saw a good example last night when Beaulieu got caught with a bouncing puck and Nesterov (not a stay at home defenseman) didn't cede the blue line and it led to the Grabner breakaway. Now Beaulieu is not Yandle, but he's getting there, just needs to be partnered with someone more defensive minded (like Emelin).
RE: Shaw and Ott  
pjcas18 : 4/15/2017 2:12 pm : link
In comment 13429628 Kyle in NY said:
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That hit on Zucc was predatory.

Weber probably isn't dirty, fine. But he walks the line. I was more giving him credit for the play on Grabner, doing whatever it took there, and instead more frustrated for it being allowed to go without a call. It literally saved the game


Ott's hit on Zuccarello was the biggest questionable play by the Canadiens that I saw that wasn't called. They only showed one replay of it in my view (USA Network) and it was at best borderline, but the way Zuccarello's head went back that hit usually gets called, the hockey is a real time game reffed by humans in real time and if that was the worst call that didn't get called I think the refs are doing a good job.

I thought the refs did fine in both games and I don't think they contributed to the outcome in either game. I think both teams have gripes about calls, but neither received a noticeable advantage (to me).

And for the record I'd sit Ott for Torrey Mitchell or Michael McCarron, Mitchell is a good face guy and has some offensive skill and McCarron is a physical specimen who has a better offensive game than Ott (though still learning on D). Not sure if Mitchell is injured or just a healthy scratch for Ott, but I don't like that call.

RE: RE: Shaw and Ott  
pjcas18 : 4/15/2017 2:13 pm : link
In comment 13429637 pjcas18 said:
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In comment 13429628 Kyle in NY said:


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That hit on Zucc was predatory.

Weber probably isn't dirty, fine. But he walks the line. I was more giving him credit for the play on Grabner, doing whatever it took there, and instead more frustrated for it being allowed to go without a call. It literally saved the game



Ott's hit on Zuccarello was the biggest questionable play by the Canadiens that I saw that wasn't called. They only showed one replay of it in my view (USA Network) and it was at best borderline, but the way Zuccarello's head went back that hit usually gets called, the hockey is a real time game reffed by humans in real time and if that was the worst call that didn't get called I think the refs are doing a good job.

I thought the refs did fine in both games and I don't think they contributed to the outcome in either game. I think both teams have gripes about calls, but neither received a noticeable advantage (to me).

And for the record I'd sit Ott for Torrey Mitchell or Michael McCarron, Mitchell is a good face guy and has some offensive skill and McCarron is a physical specimen who has a better offensive game than Ott (though still learning on D). Not sure if Mitchell is injured or just a healthy scratch for Ott, but I don't like that call.


the hockey

s/b

*though* hockey
RE: So are we allowed  
MetsAreBack : 4/15/2017 3:12 pm : link
In comment 13429586 Kyle in NY said:
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I guess I give him credit for knowing they're never gonna call anything in that spot. Wish Holden would do the same once he loses his stick and just wrap up Plekanac but instead he decides to go to his knees in the crease.



I've always thought teams should be willing to take more penalties late in an empty net situation when the other team has had you hemmed in for a while. Especially when one of your players has lost his stick anyway. And while 6-on-4 isn't easy, it does at least take away icings so fire away from deep at the empty net.
With such little time on the clock  
Kyle in NY : 4/15/2017 3:20 pm : link
Rangers should have been in "anything goes" mode. It's worth the penalty. I still cannot get over the stupidity of Holden there
BSB spells out the ugly truth  
Greg from LI : 4/15/2017 3:50 pm : link
Over the last 11 minutes of the game, Smith/Skjei played just over 2 mins. Staal/Holden played as much in the final 4 mins as Smith/Skjei played in 11. Unbelievable.
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Wow Karlsson is good at hockey  
MetsAreBack : 4/15/2017 5:28 pm : link
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RE: Wow Karlsson is good at hockey  
pjcas18 : 4/15/2017 5:50 pm : link
In comment 13429772 MetsAreBack said:
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sweet pass to Brassard, not many players can do that.

One of the dumbest penalties I've seen in a while by Chara. and I hate the mandatory over the glass penalty.
Bruins  
pjcas18 : 4/15/2017 6:10 pm : link
lose! Senators hit two posts on that PP before scoring.

Bruins gave up a 2 goal 3rd period lead.

Love OT playoff hockey.
Where Was the D?  
Percy : 4/15/2017 6:35 pm : link
No goalie should have to face as many shots as Lundqvist was bombarded with last night. He was sensational in the terrible loss. The Habs are not exactly chopped liver, you know. On to the Garden!
RE: BSB spells out the ugly truth  
Anakim : 4/15/2017 7:31 pm : link
In comment 13429704 Greg from LI said:
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Over the last 11 minutes of the game, Smith/Skjei played just over 2 mins. Staal/Holden played as much in the final 4 mins as Smith/Skjei played in 11. Unbelievable. Link - ( New Window )


Nothing short of ridiculous. The Holden-Staal pairing have been shit all season (when they've been paired together, that is)
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Some good games tonight.  
BrettNYG10 : 4/15/2017 9:54 pm : link
I thought WAS would steamroll TOR.

I thought the Preds were a better team than their regular season record indicated and would give the Hawks a tough series. But they look like they're going to go up 2-0 in the series. Impressive.
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Anakim : 4/15/2017 11:33 pm : link
The Maple Leafs are down a defender and still have surrendered less shots in Double OT than NYR did last night.


THE MAPLE LEAFS!
Wow, sick pass from Brian Boyle  
Anakim : 4/15/2017 11:45 pm : link
Toronto wins
RE: Some good games tonight.  
Greg from LI : 4/16/2017 7:41 am : link
In comment 13429947 BrettNYG10 said:
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I thought WAS would steamroll TOR.


You guys never learn - the Caps will ALWAYS disappoint
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