NFT: NY Rangers at Montreal Canadiens - Game 2 - tonight 7p

Let's hope for a dominating effort tonight

That's the Bettman way.

In comment 13428564 Torrag said:

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That's the Bettman way.

Having to beat the refs and the Canadiens in Montreal goes back way before Bettman

Sad but true. However under Bettman it's been instituted league wide in playoff series. Not just in Montreal.

last game?

MTL 20 PIMs
NYR 8 PIMs

sure seemed like a lot of Rangers fans with their vaginas exposed in that last thread, I expect nothing less in tonight's thread.

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How in the world MookGiants : 4/12/2017 7:37 pm : link : reply is that cock sucker Shaw not called for a penalty on that

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If they're not going Stufftherun : 4/12/2017 7:39 pm : link : reply to call the obvious penalties it's going to be reduced to a scrum all night long.

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Haha. That's a penalty? B in ALB : 4/12/2017 7:42 pm : link : reply Wow. Ok. Kill it fellas.

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Jeez, MTL is a pile of assholes shockeyisthebest8056 : 4/12/2017 7:42 pm : link : reply

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Only in Montreal Greg from LI : 4/12/2017 7:44 pm : link : reply It's like playing Duke in Cameron.

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Here come the refs NYerInMA : 4/12/2017 7:45 pm : link : reply

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When you're in Montreal dpinzow : 4/12/2017 7:45 pm : link : reply you have to beat the Canadiens and their refs

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This is ridiculous. arcarsenal : 4/12/2017 7:45 pm : link : reply

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Classic Rangers pjcas18 : 4/12/2017 7:45 pm : link : reply fan thread. Guys are in playoff form. Bravo.

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Glass and Hank.. FatMan in Charlotte : 4/12/2017 7:54 pm : link : reply leading the charge. Let's just hope we don't have to put up with interference calls in favor of tackles!

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Gallagher is playing the Sean Avery role dpinzow : 4/12/2017 8:29 pm : link : reply for the Habs

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Habs are a bunch section125 : 4/12/2017 9:40 pm : link : reply of cheapshot cunts, eh?

that is just a small sample, and you hypocrites have the stones to call anyone else on the planet whiny?


there was one great post in that entire thread and i mixed it in with the whiny posts.

Be honest, you have had that post ready to go all morning waiting for the thread start.

It is actually pretty funny. But even you would admit that there were a ton of non-calls that favored the Habs.

In comment 13428594 figgy2989 said:

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Be honest, you have had that post ready to go all morning waiting for the thread start. It is actually pretty funny. But even you would admit that there were a ton of non-calls that favored the Habs.

I think there were non-calls both ways and if I gave a shit about non-calls in hockey the two hits from behind committed by the Rangers AND the blatant knee on knee leg trip that wasn't called would be a whole hell of a lot worse than the missed clutching and grabbing that happens in every game. Those are the plays the league is cracking down on from a player safety perspective.

I thought it was a fairly officiated game. It was not decided by the refs, and the PIM total of 20 to 8 should leave no Rangers fan whining about anything.

And I seriously just created that right before I posted it.

and I think you all know it's in good fun.

Nothing like playoff hockey and like many of you, my entire family is all Rangers and Yankees fans, so it's not often I get to trash talk. Only this really isn't the year for it (so far).

in the fan game thread you're not going to find it. Kinda pathetic you feel the need to copy and paste a bunch of posts you had ready to go for two days now. Fans complain about officials, get over it

You got a Canadiens fan message board? Maybe head there if you're gonna get all pissy about something literally all fan groups do. Unless it's all in French.

Either way, to quote the great Torts, "Shut your yap."

Agreed to it going both ways. I am just busting your balls, you are one of the great hockey posters on the site. It just so happens that you are a Habs fan on a board domintated by Rangers fans.

with the penalty minutes. 12 of those 20 on MTL came in the final seconds, 10 of which were the misconduct on Markov for the dirty spear he gave Nash.

If the refs were fair the Rangers would have had a 5 on 3 the entire 60 minutes.

That's is kind of what I was alluding to. Although there were missed calls on both sides, it seemed the refs missed more for the Habs.

In comment 13428609 Kyle in NY said:

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in the fan game thread you're not going to find it. Kinda pathetic you feel the need to copy and paste a bunch of posts you had ready to go for two days now. Fans complain about officials, get over it You got a Canadiens fan message board? Maybe head there if you're gonna get all pissy about something literally all fan groups do. Unless it's all in French. Either way, to quote the great Torts, "Shut your yap."

I didn't save anything, I went to "my threads" to see threads I posted on and found the game from Wednesday and scanned for some comments I wanted to share to emphasize my point.

It took about 3 minutes, if that's pathetic, then yes I'm guilty. I've spent more time on worse things.

I don't want or expect rationality, but it doesn't mean I can't call out the irrational behavior.

Total stalker.

In comment 13428613 Kyle in NY said:

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with the penalty minutes. 12 of those 20 on MTL came in the final seconds, 10 of which were the misconduct on Markov for the dirty spear he gave Nash.

and 2 of the Rangers penalties were too. Still makes it 8 - 6.

Again though I don't give a shit about non-called penalties for the most part. There was nothing done by the Canadiens that was dangerous, reckless, or risking injury that wasn't called.

and lay off Markov. The guy is 38 years old. When you're 38 and still playing 1st line D in the NHL you are allowed certain transgressions. Nash didn't seem to mind (lol).

I just don't get the point. It's not like you're going to stop people.

Plus, we're right anyway!
Typical Montreal - ( New Window )

In comment 13428636 Kyle in NY said:

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I just don't get the point. It's not like you're going to stop people. Plus, we're right anyway! Typical Montreal - ( New Window )

Love Lavy. His niece played on my daughters team. Wish he coahed the Habs.

His brother-in-law invited us to go to the all-star game when it was n NSH, but I couldn't go, sounded like a fun time.

I know he's slipped measurably in the past year or two, but I thought he was pretty steady Wednesday evening. Thoughts?

Oh, and I do enjoy B's Blueshirt Call to Arms before each game. 15 wins to go. LGR indeed.

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I don't know if all that time off recharged his batteries or what, but he was surprisingly effective

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Richards and Rupp mocking Sestito and Shelley remains priceless

and a black and blue series like this one is shaping up to be might suit him a bit better than an up and down one dominated by speed

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In comment 13428652 B in ALB said: Quote: . Richards and Rupp mocking Sestito and Shelley remains priceless

Fantasy camp for Sestito
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In comment 13428652 B in ALB said: Quote: . Richards and Rupp mocking Sestito and Shelley remains priceless

This must be like fantasy camp for you.

was fine. dude blocks shots like he has a rubber attracting magnet on his skates.

Staal and Holden I thought were both pretty brutal and I did not think Smith played as well as most of you, thought he had a decent game, not great.

Skjei was good, needs to get more involved offensively. I like his offensive game, he's somewhat tentative still and I don't blame him.

Not close to a hockey expert but I love how Glasx gets bashed here and in Blueshirt Banter all the time. Everyone knows more than the coach. Now there's silence

playing ok last game. That's how it goes. And he brings some semblance of physicality against a team that's looking to throw its weight around at home. The goal was a huge bonus, even if a bit lucky.

One good game doesn't change that.

I always had a fondness for tough, hard-nosed speed challenged defensemen going back to Arnie Brown and Dale Rolfe. Let's get another road win and all look forward to B's MSG Game 3 exhortations!

considering how crappy they play at home. Starting on the road is a good thing for them.

Played a very good game, AV called it his best game as a Ranger, but I guess if you start to think he might be starting to play really good it gives the Ranger fans some hope, I guess that is what your out to do, discourage the excitement with criticism that you would see on any hockey thread and I'm sure the same fucking thing you do during a game, but it's easy to look at someone else other then yourself. Have fun, but understand your wasting your time, there isn't a hickey fan alive that doesn't know that Montreal gets the benefit of the doubts with the calls, and with this head coach who happens top be a dirty fuck, it makes for a very spirited watch for us Ranger fans.

In comment 13428770 PaulN said:

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Played a very good game, AV called it his best game as a Ranger, but I guess if you start to think he might be starting to play really good it gives the Ranger fans some hope, I guess that is what your out to do, discourage the excitement with criticism that you would see on any hockey thread and I'm sure the same fucking thing you do during a game, but it's easy to look at someone else other then yourself. Have fun, but understand your wasting your time, there isn't a hickey fan alive that doesn't know that Montreal gets the benefit of the doubts with the calls, and with this head coach who happens top be a dirty fuck, it makes for a very spirited watch for us Ranger fans.

Loser mentality. No one who watched that game other than Rangers fans felt Montreal got any favorable treatment from the refs. If anything, unbiased people would have to say the opposite.

A faceoff violation on a PP faceoff, LOL. Sure those Canadian refs are so going out of their way to not call shit on Montreal I can't stand it. How can the Rangers win with the refs so biased? Boo-hoo.

I don't care if you think it or not. You are entitled to your opinion, but you're wrong.

And history has zero to do with Wednesday night.

But complaining about it two days later in a game the team we root for won is silly.

Fuck the refs in the Kings series, though.

B, agree that they'll(Montreal) be firing on all cylinders in the first, but they came out smoking in the first the other night peppering Hank with 15..

Not sure they can come out any better than that..Of course, we need another big effort from Hank

In comment 13428586 pjcas18 said:

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last game? Habs are a bunch section125 : 4/12/2017 9:40 pm : link : reply of cheapshot cunts, eh?

I stand by my post. Very chippie play in front of Hank and around the net. Gallagher is close to Kenny Linesman in cheapshottery and smugness. And that is pretty low.

In comment 13428894 section125 said:

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In comment 13428586 pjcas18 said: Quote: last game? Habs are a bunch section125 : 4/12/2017 9:40 pm : link : reply of cheapshot cunts, eh? I stand by my post. Very chippie play in front of Hank and around the net. Gallagher is close to Kenny Linesman in cheapshottery and smugness. And that is pretty low.

I have no issue with your opinion, I needed another quote to beef up my post.

Like I said, Gallagher is a player you like when he's on your team, I'd hate him too if I weren't a Habs fan.

He definitely plays with an edge and as a small player he's one of many in that mold and probably feels he has to play that way to succeed. I think it does take away from his offense a little, since I do think he's a skilled player, but he's involved in every scrum.

no lineup changes.

Smart, surround Galchenyuk with two skill-less players to force him to lose his last shred of confidence as well as make him pretty useless.

Might as well not offer him a contract after the season if Julien is still the coach.

In comment 13428980 pjcas18 said:

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In comment 13428894 section125 said: Quote: In comment 13428586 pjcas18 said: Quote: last game? Habs are a bunch section125 : 4/12/2017 9:40 pm : link : reply of cheapshot cunts, eh? I stand by my post. Very chippie play in front of Hank and around the net. Gallagher is close to Kenny Linesman in cheapshottery and smugness. And that is pretty low. I have no issue with your opinion, I needed another quote to beef up my post. Like I said, Gallagher is a player you like when he's on your team, I'd hate him too if I weren't a Habs fan. He definitely plays with an edge and as a small player he's one of many in that mold and probably feels he has to play that way to succeed. I think it does take away from his offense a little, since I do think he's a skilled player, but he's involved in every scrum.

Exactly - agree with you...

Let's fuckin go.

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don't get sucked into the CONNERIE that is certain to come.

Because I picture this when I'd read it:

In comment 13428983 pjcas18 said:

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no lineup changes. Smart, surround Galchenyuk with two skill-less players to force him to lose his last shred of confidence as well as make him pretty useless. Might as well not offer him a contract after the season if Julien is still the coach.

It'd be like putting me on a line with you and Dav, smh.

Because we know you ain't backchecking and I'm back there locking shit down playing real hockey.

In comment 13428690 Frank in Silver Spring said:

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I always had a fondness for tough, hard-nosed speed challenged defensemen going back to Arnie Brown and Dale Rolfe. Let's get another road win and all look forward to B's MSG Game 3 exhortations!

Love that one, Frank; yeah, #4 was slow as snail shit, but he was positionally solid, too slow not to be, lol. Rolfe, what was his #, 13 or 8 or maybe Arnie 8, shit I'm getting old.
Dale Rolfe kind of engulfed forwards, like an octopus, best part of his game.

and B, your game starter was Timothy Leary worthy!!

LGR Can Hank give us another like Wed?

more nervous for this one then i was for game 1. Trust in B though to bring us home up 2-0

not to take an icing or fire the puck into the netting.

Why is that not goalie interference on Gallagher?

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Piece of shit Gallagher.

We allowed to say anything about that or no?

In comment 13429065 Giants in 07 said:

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We allowed to say anything about that or no?

Refs never favor Montreal in Montreal.

- deluded asshole habs fans

that he broke his stick than they are morons. Two players had the puck right in front of our own bench and someone on the bench had to know.

Holden is awful.

Needs to start throwing his fuckin weight around out there.

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skating into Lundqvist in net? That was at least the third time in 4 periods.

So much speed!!!

Let's go!!

love the Grabs.

Woooo!

And he owned Price on the breakaway

good after not being able to convert on numerous opportunities down the stretch.

Far cry from Wednesday's game

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Ick.

And it's 2-1 Habs

Holden is on the ice I hold my breath. It wasn't directly his fault, but he's terrible

are Holden and Staal constantly on the ice? I'm so done with Staal, what a disappointment

below the FO circle ...not a good recipe for defending the zone.

Than Holden was on Montreal's second goal

needs to go McGill on Gallagher.

Every time one of their players is touched they scream bloody murder. Relax you entitled cunts.

Klein will be in for Holden after this.

In comment 13429065 Giants in 07 said:

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We allowed to say anything about that or no?

You're allowed to complain all you want, in fact i encourage it.

In comment 13429068 MookGiants said:

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that he broke his stick than they are morons. Two players had the puck right in front of our own bench and someone on the bench had to know. Holden is awful.

That was inexcusable. WTF are they doing on the bench.

In comment 13429041 Davisian said:

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Because we know you ain't backchecking and I'm back there locking shit down playing real hockey.

lol, probably true. and my back checking days ended about 10 years go.

I'm a stay at home defenseman almost exclusively.

In comment 13429109 pjcas18 said:

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In comment 13429041 Davisian said: Quote: Because we know you ain't backchecking and I'm back there locking shit down playing real hockey. lol, probably true. and my back checking days ended about 10 years go. I'm a stay at home defenseman almost exclusively.

Aka traffic cone.

No need for defense. That's what goaltenders are for.

Starts a fight

Launching himself at the smallest guy on the ice

should Montreal come out of that with a power play.

This is a fucking joke

Holy shit. That's unbelievable.

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In comment 13429126 MookGiants said:

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should Montreal come out of that with a power play.

Like I said at the start of the thread, if you're playing Montreal in their building, you have to beat the Habs and their refs

LOL

baby. Nasher.

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A rick nash playoff goal!!!

2-2!

The Price is wrong, bitch!

Skjei protects Lundqvist. Skjei gets the penalty

Welcome to Montreal

Come on now. Really?

Refs doing ref things.

Oh no, we NEEVVVEEERR get any calls at home! Fuckin dickholes.

In comment 13429145 dpinzow said:

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Skjei protects Lundqvist. Skjei gets the penalty Welcome to Montreal

When the puck was frozen anyway. Effectively an after the whistle call.

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3-2

3-2!!!

We are Les Habitanting their fucking goal.

Zuc.

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lets demoralize these fucks.

He's always in the middle of it all.

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lets demoralize these fucks.

Big PP. A goal here would be huge

burn MTL for some of these stupid penalties.

With that high stick. Rangers PP

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In comment 13429170 dpinzow said:

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With that high stick. Rangers PP

that was vicious I'm surprised Miller is still alive. Radulov would have been ejected, but you know..Montreal.

In comment 13429175 pjcas18 said:

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In comment 13429170 dpinzow said: Quote: With that high stick. Rangers PP that was vicious I'm surprised Miller is still alive. Radulov would have been ejected, but you know..Montreal.

You're legitimately insane if you don't think there is a bias for Montreal at home.

Each of their penalties was 100% legit.

is going to be gut wrenching 3rd period for me. Hopefully we net one early and I can at least relax for maybe half the period.

In comment 13429179 B in ALB said:

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In comment 13429175 pjcas18 said: Quote: In comment 13429170 dpinzow said: Quote: With that high stick. Rangers PP that was vicious I'm surprised Miller is still alive. Radulov would have been ejected, but you know..Montreal. You're legitimately insane if you don't think there is a bias for Montreal at home. Each of their penalties was 100% legit.

You are insane if you think there is a coordinated effort by anyone to give Montreal an advantage at home or anywhere.

Beyond insane, you just buy into old school paranoia.

Montreal's penalties were fine so far, I thought the interference call was weak, but I don't have any problem with it. I think this has been a fairly officiated game.

I thought the Rangers penalties were fine too. In fact the Rangers got away with a couple just like Montreal has. It all evens out IMO.

But it's the incessant bitching about it. In your pre-game poems you talk about whiny fans. Holy fuck these threads are way worse than any hockey fans I have heard, at the Bell Center, the old Forum, Boston Garden, or even in Washington. THE WORST.

You should be proud of yourselves. The irony is thick.

a "coordinated effort."

The refs are historically intimidated in Montreal. It's not a conspiracy as far as we can tell. It's human fallibility exacerbated by a raucous home crowd. Doesn't mean that it doesn't exist - because it certainly does. And the Rangers aren't the only victim.

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In comment 13429190 B in ALB said:

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a "coordinated effort." The refs are historically intimidated in Montreal. It's not a conspiracy as far as we can tell. It's human fallibility exacerbated by a raucous home crowd. Doesn't mean that it doesn't exist - because it certainly does. And the Rangers aren't the only victim.

If you're chalking it up to human nature then I can buy that, nothing you can do about it. I haven't seen it in this series.

Here you'll get to hang with like kind... Where you all can agree on hockey life. OMG not even 2 sec hold of the stick by Zucc PENALTY!!!!! REALLY Refs??
Like Kind... - ( New Window )

In comment 13429193 Run with 81 said:

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Here you'll get to hang with like kind... Where you all can agree on hockey life. OMG not even 2 sec hold of the stick by Zucc PENALTY!!!!! REALLY Refs?? Like Kind... - ( New Window )

Can't agree on that. Zucc committed interference there. Legit penalty

about the whining, and the ensuing reactions to it from there are really derailing these threads.

Fans having strong reactions to officiating decisions in real time is a reality. When you come to a place where 99% of the fans are for one side, it's going to feel amplified.

Call it whining when people are carrying on about the same calls a day later or blaming losses on the refs.

"Julien being completely out coached if they lose this series....Julien and Bergevin have to be fired."

"Plekanec and Pacioretty have been awful in the playoffs for years now... Both of them should be ashamed, pathetic trash."

"Looks so easy for rangers and so hard for habs"

"All started after Weber went all stupid. Others would be ripped for it"


GOOD STUFF over there!!

They've got I think 37 shots already

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Kicking asses

Rangers hanging on

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what Hank was thinking there, but got away with it

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never seen that before.

of Hanks career

to change lines.

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to change lines.

I know. I probably looked like a cartoon character with steam coming out of my ears

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what Hank was thinking there, but got away with it

I don't know what he was thinking

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to change lines.

I'm fine with it. You can't risk giving up an odd man rush at this stage.

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shit

Burn Holden.

When you don't clear the zone.

is the fucking worst. Why is he on the ice late in the game? He's the worst player on the ice, by far.

The puck

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Dammit. Plekanec slashes the hell out of our defenseman and scores

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gotta get out. And that could be the difference between 2-0 and 1-1. Wow.

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Nothing to see here folks. All good.

has been on the ice for all 3 goals I believe.

Awful, awful, awful

When you can't clear the puck you're asking for that! MTL deserved it after all that pressure

#FreeClendening

but great final two periods. If not for Hank this game is over long ago.

Doing out there at that critical time??

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Er, behind.

No time to turtle and die. OT. Let's do it boys.

You don't play your best players you get burned. Game of inches. Period.

In comment 13429252 B in ALB said:

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Nothing to see here folks. All good.

I guess Galchenyuk's stick broke itself 2 minutes ago. He probably should have gotten a penalty on that for inciting a slash, but you know...Montreal

ramp it back up now for OT.

But of course Coach Proh-cess wouldn't dream of such a thing.

Nick Holden you POS!!
You just blew this game

down in the high slot not interference? That was the definition of interference.

he's been shit for a while now. Dress Klein please

We got this.

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Dress Klein please

Never thought I'd see these words. Sad world we live in folks when it comes to this.

They had close to 50 shots tonight. Brutal ending to regulation but fortunate to have a chance. The lineup just isn't good enough.

The whole line was gassed. They were in fumes. This shit happens when you can't control the puck.

These past two games, and Staal isn't much better. But AV has to sit Holden, he's a complete liability.

if they'd deploy it properly. No excuse to have Holden on the ice there

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We got this.

I'm with you

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The whole line was gassed. They were in fumes. This shit happens when you can't control the puck.

Staal had the puck on his stick with about 40 seconds left and couldn't clear puck when he had space and time. That is why we are here

like OT playoff hockey. Only thing better is game 7 OT playoff hockey.

Who will be the hero?

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Me 3...

In comment 13429285 pjcas18 said:

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like OT playoff hockey. Only thing better is game 7 OT playoff hockey. Who will be the hero?

Montreal has all the momentum so I'm guessing one of your guys

In comment 13429285 pjcas18 said:

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like OT playoff hockey. Only thing better is game 7 OT playoff hockey. Who will be the hero?

Ot hockey sucks when your team is in it

In comment 13429278 Kyle in NY said:

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if they'd deploy it properly. No excuse to have Holden on the ice there

That's my point Kyle. It's good enough to win this series - I don't know about Washington or Pittsburgh - but that's a month away so who cares. Properly managed with guys like clendening or even Klein in their over useless garbage (I still think glass was fools gold in game 1 but whatever I know it's a tough narrative to discuss right now)... Just frustrating. A team thAt can't generate offense has peppered our net for close to 90 shots in two regulations in this series when the game is supposed to get tight.

It's not a winning strategy. Hope to god I'm wrong

Staal-Holden. Staal-Holden have been on the ice for all three Montreal goals, I believe.


Dress Klein next game

Miller

In comment 13429285 pjcas18 said:

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like OT playoff hockey. Only thing better is game 7 OT playoff hockey. Who will be the hero?

I want to say it'll be a D-man but I'm gonna go with a Forward & that will be... CK Chris Kreider... Why Not!! (though I my guy hints at Maybe Jimbo Vesey)

LGR We got this!!!

PP Montreal

kill

In the overtime

once you go turtle, can you reverse it?

Come on, boys

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First the empty net, now a post

GIGANTIC pussies. GIGANTIC. If a player falls down, they think it's a penalty.

Shut the fuck up, you French Canadian asswipes

Carey Price is having a pina colada back there

I've never heard a crowd "Ooooooo" & then "Booooo" more than Montreal. SERIOUSLY

Looks like the 1st OT will be played in the NY end & of course more Boooos for shot deflected into the seats... BOooooooo Boooooo Booooooo Booooooo Booooooooo

looks like the fastest player on the team his last 2 shitfts.

Surprised to see this game tied right now.

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Surprised to see this game tied right now.

Henrik has 50 saves, that's why

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Personal record for him

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In comment 13429314 jgambrosio said: Quote: Surprised to see this game tied right now. Henrik has 50 saves, that's why

Oh I know, just amazed we are still in this. Everyone is gassed.

That one sequence with Hank coming out of the net was like him saying fuck it, I've got this.

& some more... Guy F'in looses an edge but BOOOOO!

Booooooo

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Lucky the game isnt over

He sure does make a lot of blind passes

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Personal record for him

Shocked he didn't do it against kings. The sad thing is fans like Paul still think he's the reason we haven't won. Every fucking year we get our shit pushed in by shots, possession, and Corsi/fenwick. Every one. Even limited offense Montreal has 100 shots in two games already now. But Hank is overpaid.

Ok. It's like idiot cap fans complaining about ovechkin 4 years ago when they missed the playoffs

I just feel bad for Hank we can't or refuse to put the best possible lineup around him, even if it means some meaningless pain in the regular season. So short sighted. Holden and glass will raise a cup though.

Ok. Smh

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They lose in OT. Another puck off a defender?

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Hate to say it but they dominated the 3rd period and OT

Pacioretti or however you spell his name is a fucking ranger killer. Always in on these plays.

TIE UP YOUR FUCKING MAN

Giveth and he takes away.

Lucky to be 1-1

Zibanejad was absolutely atrocious last night.

with the puck. Oh well.

Hopefully we can play well at home.

lines played too much in OT, but it's a long series I guess. Or it's just AV/Julien.

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Can't win when the ice is tilted like that

He is just awful

"Lineup stays the same" - AV

Girardi looks like Nick Lidstrom compared to Holden. Absolute trash.

Good lord Holden sucks.
WTF is with losing all those draws?

a kick to the balls. 17 fucking seconds away and 2 broken sticks cost us the game.

This is my fault. I was way too tame in the OP. The loss is all on me.

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Giveth and he takes away. Lucky to be 1-1

We are 13 seconds away from being up 2-0, maybe the most idiotic comment I have heard all night. There is no such thing as style points in the playoffs. We had the series and we pissed it away

Credit where it's due - he's playing a simple game and it's been effective.

Colorado is the worst D in the league. Holden couldn't stick there. Draw your own conclusions

are very similar.

Not surprised the games are so close.

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Can't win when the ice is tilted like that

Yup. Missed our chance to put it away when Grabner whiffed on his second breakaway. Tried to hang on, fell 19 seconds short.

Playoff hockey is awesome, but losses like that are a gut punch

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Girardi-McDonagh = -21
Holden-Staal = -5
Smith-Skjei = +1



Take out Holden, put in Klein and have Staal-Klein be the third pair

In comment 13429347 Essex said:

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In comment 13429336 MetsAreBack said: Quote: Giveth and he takes away. Lucky to be 1-1 We are 13 seconds away from being up 2-0, maybe the most idiotic comment I have heard all night. There is no such thing as style points in the playoffs. We had the series and we pissed it away

Who are you?

Anyway yeah I guess when your goalie saves 88 out of 90 shots with 18 seconds left (where did you get your 13 number from or did you just make it up like cnn?) -- a coach gets let off the hook for a generally poor gameplan in this series

We were badly outplayed through two games and I'm ecstatic to be 1-1. This is a painful way to lose but I'm hoping it was a wake up call to play ... You know ... Our best players and let the chips fall where they may. You sure as shit aren't beating the caps or penguins with 3 lines with no lottery picks and a below average D against them anyway so why bother

In comment 13429349 Greg from LI said:

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Credit where it's due - he's playing a simple game and it's been effective. Colorado is the worst D in the league. Holden couldn't stick there. Draw your own conclusions

I thought he was atrocious tonight. Multiple times he didn't over his guy in front, that awful turnover in the first that led to a breakaway.

He's no longer the biggest issue on D, though.

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are very similar. Not surprised the games are so close.

I think the Habs are abusing the Rangers and Lundqvist is outplaying Price so far.

Congrats on the win. Something something refs.

In comment 13429356 MetsAreBack said:

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In comment 13429347 Essex said: Quote: In comment 13429336 MetsAreBack said: Quote: Giveth and he takes away. Lucky to be 1-1 We are 13 seconds away from being up 2-0, maybe the most idiotic comment I have heard all night. There is no such thing as style points in the playoffs. We had the series and we pissed it away Who are you? Anyway yeah I guess when your goalie saves 88 out of 90 shots with 18 seconds left (where did you get your 13 number from or did you just make it up like cnn?) -- a coach gets let off the hook for a generally poor gameplan in this series We were badly outplayed through two games and I'm ecstatic to be 1-1. This is a painful way to lose but I'm hoping it was a wake up call to play ... You know ... Our best players and let the chips fall where they may. You sure as shit aren't beating the caps or penguins with 3 lines with no lottery picks and a below average D against them anyway so why bother

Goalie doesn't count? Goals count and we were 17 seconds from being 2-0 so don't give me this we got outplayed. Who cares?

one from us. I expect to get one back later. I'm not terribly pissed because we did what we had to and took 1 in MTL. But, we need to take care of business in our building.

Scoring chances, shots, all of it, don't exaggerate. And this one was right there for us. I don't give a shit about Corsi in the playoffs, just win. And we win this game if we put the correct defense out there at the end of the game.

Whether it's Beukeboom or AV, whoever is making the decisions on this defensive deployment has got to fucking go. Holden shouldnt play another second this season

In comment 13429361 BrettNYG10 said:

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In comment 13429350 pjcas18 said: Quote: are very similar. Not surprised the games are so close. I think the Habs are abusing the Rangers and Lundqvist is outplaying Price so far. Congrats on the win. Something something refs.

Canadiens are definitely outplaying them and Hank is the reason it's 1 - 1, but I mean that's kind of what you expected from Montreal (them to be the ones whose goalie is keeping them in it).

I just think both goalies are capable of stealing games, both D get very fringy in terms of NHL quality as you get to the bottom pairs (want to trade Nesterov for Holden?) and their third lines are playing the best. The teams just play a similar style even if the ice is tilted one way or the other.

I wouldn't be shocked to see a reversal in NY.

And we've got a really good one.

But they do too and when you put three on their guy in the playoffs you better fucking win.

I'm pissed as shit we can't control possession between the pipes against this team. It's completely incompetent and self inflicted

In comment 13429366 Kyle in NY said:

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Scoring chances, shots, all of it, don't exaggerate. And this one was right there for us. I don't give a shit about Corsi in the playoffs, just win. And we win this game if we put the correct defense out there at the end of the game. Whether it's Beukeboom or AV, whoever is making the decisions on this defensive deployment has got to fucking go. Holden shouldnt play another second this season

AV gets the blame at this point - it's been multiple years the defense has been mismanaged.

I take back the abused line re: game one, you're right - especially when accounting for the early lead.

1. i think we had about 20% possession over the final 10 of the 3rd and OT.

2. fuck you Holden. the next good play he makes this series will be his first, since i'd be shocked if he rides the pine

3. tying goal: 1 white sweater to 3 red sweater ratio standing right in front of Hank. how does that happen...

And I really haven't been one of the AV bashers traditionally. But tonight is just inexcusable. Literally cost the team the game

And concerned by the defensive unit on the ice at the end of regulation. My gut told me that the game was lost right there.

Holden was the worst player on both teams by far. It was absolutely inexcusable at this point in the season.

I don't really know what the hell Holden's done to be worthy of the long leash. That's significantly more confusing to me than the G/Staal burn (which I still think is absurd).

He insists on playing the worst pair we've had all year and playing a lot in the playoffs, when you have a shitty but better option of either breaking them up or playing Klein. Then he plays them in the final seconds. To say I've had it with him would be an understatement.

Would rather have lost 4-2 in a game where we just got beat and that was that. To lose this game when we were 17 seconds away from leaving Montreal up 2-0 was absolutely crushing.

We got totally worked in OT. Absolutely zero possession. Just chasing, chasing, and chasing. Worst possible way to lose.

Henrik deserved so much better.

AV needs to replace Holden with Klein. We've all seen enough. It's time to make that change.

Brendan Smith was terrific again in this game. He's a really nice 2nd pair d-man.

Just a killer fucking loss when we had them beat.

Gotta put it behind us and take care of business at home. Impossible to know where the series will go from here - but I really hope we don't have to look back at this game as the one responsible for losing the series. Such a kick in the fucking balls.

Clendening should be playing. But, I do agree Holden shouldn't play another second this post season. He was the worst player on the ice, by far, for us.

That's all

Most of us agree clendening is the most effective player of the 3 as he at least moves and possesses the puck well. But AV doesn't trust him so it's a non starter. Klein is safer in AVs eyes

Klein isn't much - but he's better than Holden. Hell I'd take stampfer over Holden. NH hasn't played at a professional level since January when his shot pct was north of 20%

one of our home games is Easter Sunday. Hope the place can still be lit.

I'll be at game 4.

We need to play so much better.

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That's hardly a modern philosophy. Many old school coaches all the way back to youth hockey would make their best skaters defenseman. They'd be able to still generate offense and help on the back end too. Much of my career the best skaters on my team were on D. I was always a forward until senior year in high school and then college when I switched to D.

Players like Leetch, Orr, Bourque, Karlsson, Coffey, Housley, etc. are/were probably the best skater on their teams all through their careers.

In this era though if you do that in a vacuum, you wind up with guys like Shattenkirk or Yandle which are needed but you can't win with those guys as your best D, and while I agree with AV in general you need stout defenseman too.

Yes, Habs outplayed Rangers, but they still were seconds away from being down 2-0. The bottom line is always the score, right? So, in a sense, when you score with seconds left to tie, you have to consider that very fortunate and very unlikely.

Habs big advantage is in their coach. Can't wait for game 3, but more importantly, tonight's game. GLG

to talk about the wicked cross check Weber gave Grabner as he's about to get the puck out right before the goal, or will pj yell at us? Cause that's about as blatant as it gets. Weber is such a sneaky dirty player.

I guess I give him credit for knowing they're never gonna call anything in that spot. Wish Holden would do the same once he loses his stick and just wrap up Plekanac but instead he decides to go to his knees in the crease.

In comment 13429586 Kyle in NY said:

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to talk about the wicked cross check Weber gave Grabner as he's about to get the puck out right before the goal, or will pj yell at us? Cause that's about as blatant as it gets. Weber is such a sneaky dirty player. I guess I give him credit for knowing they're never gonna call anything in that spot. Wish Holden would do the same once he loses his stick and just wrap up Plekanac but instead he decides to go to his knees in the crease.

You can talk about whatever you want. Will you talk about the cross check Andrew Shaw took in the head in front of the net or Galchenyuk being tackled in front of the net, I don't dwell on those calls, I don't mean to seem defensive, you can talk about anything you want, this is America.

I will also talk about it though, sorry if you disagree with me and if my opinion offends you, but i'm not sorry.

I've never really heard Weber called dirty, though he is very physical and sometimes people confuse the two. But again, you can have whatever opinion you want.

probably pissed me off more than any other non-call.

for letting me know I can have any opinion I want, I wasn't sure.

You are right though, there's never been any talk about Weber being dirty. It was super tough of him though to pick a fight with the smaller JT Miller and then continue throwing punches on the ice when his jersey is pulled over his head.
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probably pissed me off more than any other non-call.

Zuc is so short, that is why it went to the head.

In comment 13429613 Kyle in NY said:

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for letting me know I can have any opinion I want, I wasn't sure. You are right though, there's never been any talk about Weber being dirty. It was super tough of him though to pick a fight with the smaller JT Miller and then continue throwing punches on the ice when his jersey is pulled over his head. Clean player - ( New Window )

I think Weber went off on Miller to,fire up,the fans even more. Trying to be a leader, you know. Hey, losing him for 5 minutes helped Rangers.

Pj, I found it funny because there's a massive disconnect between what AV says and his usage. Guys like Staal/Girardi/Holden have been given priority over others. I know I value Yandle more than you, but I think we both agreed (or would have, if you cared enough to have an opinion) that Yandle was a better option last year for NYR than G/Staal, yet AV kept giving the others premium ice time.

He's a hard-nosed guy who can play as gritty as the game/series dictates. Right now I hate him, of course, but he's everything the rangers lack on defense and I think he's a respectable guy.

The only player in the series who I'd actually label as a dirty player is Shaw. Guys like him, Marchand, Gudas are the jerkoffs who are liable to get someone severely injured with their antics and I don't think the league comes down nearly hard enough on them in general.

If guys are going to continue to come in hot to the crease on whistles, I'm fine with no calls on the hits they take -- both ways -- within reason. The check to Shaw's head was right on the margin for me -- probably should have been called, but the hit wasn't really high...he was kind of down low and a hit at normal height caught him in the head.

Disclaimer -- I haven't re-watched the Shaw hit today so I'm working on recall.

That hit on Zucc was predatory.

Weber probably isn't dirty, fine. But he walks the line. I was more giving him credit for the play on Grabner, doing whatever it took there, and instead more frustrated for it being allowed to go without a call. It literally saved the game

In comment 13429619 BrettNYG10 said:

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Pj, I found it funny because there's a massive disconnect between what AV says and his usage. Guys like Staal/Girardi/Holden have been given priority over others. I know I value Yandle more than you, but I think we both agreed (or would have, if you cared enough to have an opinion) that Yandle was a better option last year for NYR than G/Staal, yet AV kept giving the others premium ice time.

I completely agree with that. I like Yandle, but I think he needs to be paired with a guy like Weber or Pronger or Chara in today's league or old schoolers like Ken Daneyko, to balance the play. I definitely wouldn't limit his playing time. he'd be a top 4 defenseman on most teams.

You saw a good example last night when Beaulieu got caught with a bouncing puck and Nesterov (not a stay at home defenseman) didn't cede the blue line and it led to the Grabner breakaway. Now Beaulieu is not Yandle, but he's getting there, just needs to be partnered with someone more defensive minded (like Emelin).

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That hit on Zucc was predatory. Weber probably isn't dirty, fine. But he walks the line. I was more giving him credit for the play on Grabner, doing whatever it took there, and instead more frustrated for it being allowed to go without a call. It literally saved the game

Ott's hit on Zuccarello was the biggest questionable play by the Canadiens that I saw that wasn't called. They only showed one replay of it in my view (USA Network) and it was at best borderline, but the way Zuccarello's head went back that hit usually gets called, the hockey is a real time game reffed by humans in real time and if that was the worst call that didn't get called I think the refs are doing a good job.

I thought the refs did fine in both games and I don't think they contributed to the outcome in either game. I think both teams have gripes about calls, but neither received a noticeable advantage (to me).

And for the record I'd sit Ott for Torrey Mitchell or Michael McCarron, Mitchell is a good face guy and has some offensive skill and McCarron is a physical specimen who has a better offensive game than Ott (though still learning on D). Not sure if Mitchell is injured or just a healthy scratch for Ott, but I don't like that call.

In comment 13429637 pjcas18 said:

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In comment 13429628 Kyle in NY said: Quote: That hit on Zucc was predatory. Weber probably isn't dirty, fine. But he walks the line. I was more giving him credit for the play on Grabner, doing whatever it took there, and instead more frustrated for it being allowed to go without a call. It literally saved the game Ott's hit on Zuccarello was the biggest questionable play by the Canadiens that I saw that wasn't called. They only showed one replay of it in my view (USA Network) and it was at best borderline, but the way Zuccarello's head went back that hit usually gets called, the hockey is a real time game reffed by humans in real time and if that was the worst call that didn't get called I think the refs are doing a good job. I thought the refs did fine in both games and I don't think they contributed to the outcome in either game. I think both teams have gripes about calls, but neither received a noticeable advantage (to me). And for the record I'd sit Ott for Torrey Mitchell or Michael McCarron, Mitchell is a good face guy and has some offensive skill and McCarron is a physical specimen who has a better offensive game than Ott (though still learning on D). Not sure if Mitchell is injured or just a healthy scratch for Ott, but I don't like that call.

the hockey

s/b

*though* hockey

In comment 13429586 Kyle in NY said:

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I guess I give him credit for knowing they're never gonna call anything in that spot. Wish Holden would do the same once he loses his stick and just wrap up Plekanac but instead he decides to go to his knees in the crease.

I've always thought teams should be willing to take more penalties late in an empty net situation when the other team has had you hemmed in for a while. Especially when one of your players has lost his stick anyway. And while 6-on-4 isn't easy, it does at least take away icings so fire away from deep at the empty net.

Rangers should have been in "anything goes" mode. It's worth the penalty. I still cannot get over the stupidity of Holden there

Over the last 11 minutes of the game, Smith/Skjei played just over 2 mins. Staal/Holden played as much in the final 4 mins as Smith/Skjei played in 11. Unbelievable.
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sweet pass to Brassard, not many players can do that.

One of the dumbest penalties I've seen in a while by Chara. and I hate the mandatory over the glass penalty.

lose! Senators hit two posts on that PP before scoring.

Bruins gave up a 2 goal 3rd period lead.

Love OT playoff hockey.

No goalie should have to face as many shots as Lundqvist was bombarded with last night. He was sensational in the terrible loss. The Habs are not exactly chopped liver, you know. On to the Garden!

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Nothing short of ridiculous. The Holden-Staal pairing have been shit all season (when they've been paired together, that is)
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I thought WAS would steamroll TOR.

I thought the Preds were a better team than their regular season record indicated and would give the Hawks a tough series. But they look like they're going to go up 2-0 in the series. Impressive.

The Maple Leafs are down a defender and still have surrendered less shots in Double OT than NYR did last night.


THE MAPLE LEAFS!

Toronto wins

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I thought WAS would steamroll TOR.

You guys never learn - the Caps will ALWAYS disappoint