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nflscouting : 4/14/2017 4:50 pm
I think I would prefer Robinson & his gun. While that might lead to a felony, what kind of crime might Erik Flowers be committing every Sunday for 60 minutes. I think the Giants old way of nice guys sort of went out the window though. After all, they signed head case Marshall, tried to get a bigger headache at tight end in Bennett & need to put diapers on Beckham. Here's my thing - Bolles is a one-year sensation, but look at film - Utah averaged 3.52 yards per run behind him, but the guard, Asiata, they averaged 6.02 yards. Do you know that since those stats were kept in 1996, only 4 OL guys have seen runners average 6.0 yards or better behind them in the NFL. Robinson has his faults, but in his last 28 starts, his average was 5.94 yards per pop. His future could be as a guard, or as a right tackle, but with Flowers at LOT, Eli will have enough grass stains to sell REAL game worn helmets via Steiner Sports next year if Flowers stays at that position.
Me? I'd go with Fluker at ROT, shift Flowers to ROG, grab Robinson for LOT & go with Richburg & Pugh. Flowers has quick feet for traps & pulls & will be better suited in combo with Fluker & Richburg as support. Fluker is too lumbering to get into the second level at guard & Jerry has to have dirty pictures on Reese to get that contract.
I know the party line is that Lamp's arms are "too short" to play left tackle, but in his last two years, he's averaged 9.4 knockdowns per game & has yielded just four QB pressures. Hell, Flowers has Eli being pressured coming out of the shower!
Honestly, I'd go D in round one. ONE SLEEPER ALERT-if the Giants are "smart," Harvard Max Rich is a late round find - Doug Risenberg clone. I also am very impressed with William & Mary's Jerry Ogokwe, Kent Perkins-Texas, Jylan Ware-Alabama State & Cole Croston-Iowa as potential Giant finds on the rookie FA market
AcidTest : 4/14/2017 5:06 pm : link
stuff. As I said, I'm OK with Robinson, but the character issues concern me enough to where I'd probably pass at #23. But as you note, he's likely to be gone by then anyway.

Bolles has better feet, but obviously isn't as strong. He has character issues as well, but are much further in the past. I'd rather go with the guy with the better feet, but am fine passing on him as well.

I'm not really interested in Ramczyk. One year of D1 football, and coming off hip surgery, but I wouldn't hate the pick.

Frankly, all three seem like a bit of a reach.

I think Reese does want a LT prospect, in case Flowers doesn't work out, and has to be moved. But I think it will be another day three developmental player, like: Dieugot Joseph or Julien'n Davenport.

Right now I'm leaning towards Wormley in the first round.

My sleeper QB is Seth Russell. Broken back in 2015, and a gruesome dislocated ankle in 2016. But the ankle is 85-90% right now. He's also mobile, throws a very nice ball, and has a strong arm. The Giants met with him. Of course, they also met with Davis.

Other players I like (not necessarily in the first round) are:

Jarrad Davis.
Rasul Douglas.
DeAngelo Brown.

Thanks again, and best wishes.
A classic post by Dave. Can we archive this one permanently?  
Ivan15 : 4/14/2017 5:13 pm : link
Archer : 4/14/2017 7:15 pm : link
Dave -Te
I have seen a lot of Robinson. He reminds me of Flowers.
Similar in many ways, both good and bad. But he does not look like a tackle. He had problems with speed rushers (Garrett and Barnett) and he had problems protecting the edge. He has lazy feet and relies on his strength and long arms. He can be a great run blocker, but he is much better when he locks onto a player directly in front of him.

I prefer a player who projects to tackle like Antonio Garcia from Troy.
I would even prefer Ramcyzk or Bolles.
nflscouting : 4/14/2017 7:43 pm : link
The guy I really like in the mid rounds that I think can do a David Bakharti (Packers, pardon spelling) is Adam Bisnowaty. He was killer last year until the last 5 games, as he had ankle issues. Wanna find a nice FA solution to add depth on the right side? On a Pats assignment, I went nutso for UConn left tackle Knappe - kid from Denmark, but late in Day 3, the Giants could bite, as they are one of six teams with a big grade on him.

Some of my notes on him;
Initial Quickness 1.4 Off the snap, Knappe has good quickness out of his stance and shows the ability to mirror the defender. He has improved his balance working into the second level. He can gain advantage on the defender with his footwork and long arms. There are times where he will struggle to get into gear and lacks the lateral agility needed to prevent NFL-caliber edge rushers from beating him around the corner at times. He may be better suited for right tackle, as he does not have the lateral agility to get out quickly vs. the edge rush.

Lateral Movement 1.6 Knappe is not effective when asked to slide and mirror. He has decent lateral movement, but lacks sudden quickness. Even though he has improved his balance and good timed speed, he needs to work on his technique when attempting to redirect (gathers before changing direction). He can slide and be very efficient working in the short area, but can not sustain speed on the move.

Balance/Stays On Feet 1.6 Hard work during the 2015 off-season helped him greatly improve his base. From looking at 2016, you see a player who now knows how to play on his feet. He has the short area speed and leg drive needed to handle the speed rush to the outside. Against the stronger defensive end, he will struggle a bit with a bull rush and get caught on occasion with his weight moving backward. He has the leg drive, but improved lower body power is needed to prevent the stronger defenders from pushing him back. Knappe seems to have as a tendency to put his head down, especially on second level assignments, resulting in missing his blocks on the move, at times.

Explosion/Pop 1.5 He lacks consistent explosion and drive off the ball, but he has decent balance and ability to stay on his feet after contact. He flashes an adequate punch, as he catches too often. While he keeps good position, he needs to add more power in order to drive block with consistency. Knappe has explosive hands and upper body strength, but fails to generate the lower body power needed to drive defenders off the ball as a run blocker. He uses his hands very well to joust with the defender and delivers a solid hand punch, but appears stiff with his hips when moving in-line.

Run Blocking 1.5 Knappe is a good drive blocker who tries to run his feet, but needs to improve lower strength. In the run game, he will catch too often and this causes him to struggle when anchoring. However, his technique is solid, as he stays low in his pads and uses his long arms to get movement and root out the defender. He is a physical straight-ahead blocker, but loses his base (gets too narrow with his feet) and fails to roll his hips properly. He does get good movement once he engages the defender, using his hands with force to steer and wall off. If he gets his mitts on an opponent, he can deliver enough force behind his punch to jolt.
Pass Blocking 1.6 Knappe shows above average technique and good feet, but will get caught moving backwards. He has a high pass set, with decent slide ability,but he lacks a good anchor and gets pushed back. In the past, he would struggle against the speed rush, but has developed better kick slide ability to get to the edge quicker. Against the smaller pass rushers, he does a good job of getting the body lean to sustain. Once he maintains position and uses his hands, he shows consistency in controlling and steering the defender off the line.

Pulling/Trapping 1.6 Knappe shows the ability to pull in the short range and locate. He is adequate blocking on the move and needs to work on becoming a better scope blocker. He can reach block, but struggles to sustain on the reach when he gets too high in his pads (tends to play on his heels, rather than playing flat-footed).

Adjust on Linebacker
Downfield 1.6 He has the ability to get to the second level, but struggles to sustain on linebackers when he does not keep his feet in front of him. He is best when playing at the line of scrimmage. Knappe will sustain his blocks once he gets into the second level, but the problem is, he does not have the speed to get there. He struggles adjusting up field, as he is slow and lacks fluidity in his open field moves.

Use of Hands/Punch 1.3 He has the upper body power to flash a punch and will lock on thanks to good hand action. He has worked hard to generate a more powerful punch and has very good placement skills. He might rely too much on his hands to dominate, but he does a great job of stunning the pass rusher with the jolting shot his hand punch delivers.

Reactions/Awareness 1.2 He is very good at reading and reacting to the action in front of him. His foot agility allows him to slide, adjust and maintain position on his man in the short area. He is not the most fluid runner working in space, but has improved his flexibility, body control and sink ability.
Thanks Dave..  
Archer : 4/14/2017 9:29 pm : link
I will look into Knappe.

I have seen Bisnowaty play a few times.
He was highly regarded after last year but seemed not to play to the expectations.

Was he hurt?
RE: Robinson  
AcidTest : 4/14/2017 9:46 pm : link
In comment 13429057 Archer said:
Dave -Te
I have seen a lot of Robinson. He reminds me of Flowers.
Similar in many ways, both good and bad. But he does not look like a tackle. He had problems with speed rushers (Garrett and Barnett) and he had problems protecting the edge. He has lazy feet and relies on his strength and long arms. He can be a great run blocker, but he is much better when he locks onto a player directly in front of him.

I prefer a player who projects to tackle like Antonio Garcia from Troy.
I would even prefer Ramcyzk or Bolles.

Excellent points.
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