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Dave Te's Scouting Report-Forrest Lamp

nflscouting : 4/15/2017 2:06 pm
Initial Quickness 7.7 On a straight-ahead burst, Lamp is usually very quick as a drive blocker and can flash suddenness to gain advantage on a lethargic defender. He has unusual first step quickness moving forward for a big man and in pass protection, he generates the suddenness in his pass set and slide as he does when moving forward as a drive blocker. He can gain position working in-line and has a good concept for angling getting into the second level.

Balance/Stays On Feet 7.6 Lamp is an immovable object when he anchors, thanks to his strong base and massively thick legs. He might over-extend and lunge on some run blocks, but once he locks on to an opponent, he puts his foot into the ground solidly and with his strong base, has no problems handling multiple defenders on twists and games. He simply destroys bull rushers with his anchor and hand punch. He has a good feel for using his hands to sustain and plays with good effort working in-line. He is strong, and you have to love the way that he finishes with aggression. With his athletic ability, he can stay on the bigger defenders, and he has excellent balance with his feet to wear down speedy edge rushers.

Explosion/Pop 8.0 With his straight-line explosion, Lamp has had great success surprising and shocking his opponent off the snap. He holds the point of attack with a very strong base and shows tremendous upper body and hand power to move the pile and widen the rush lanes. He can be explosive gaining movement and on contact when he keeps his pad level down. He simply knocks opponents off the line of scrimmage coming out of his stance and uses his mass well to create space on the move. He can strike and control his man with ease when he keeps his hands inside his frame. He is also an explosive hip roller and has more than enough strength to push and wall off. The thing you are most impressed when watching film is his ability to jolt and control his man coming out of his stance.

Run Blocking 7.7 This is what Lamp does best (31-of-33 touchdown resulting blocks in the last two years came on running plays). He shows excellent initial quickness off the snap, especially on the down block. He does an equally effective job of opening and rolling his hips on drive blocks and in pass protection. He is a good player in space, where he uses his power and size to drive through into the second level. He comes off the line with a good flat-back motion and proper hip snap, using his hand punch with force to stun. With his upper body flexibility, he is capable of quickly resetting his hands, compensating for less than ideal arm length. He is light on his feet moving forward and looks like a dancing bear mauling smaller second level defenders. When he gains position off the snap, he uses his strength well to sustain. In the second level, he has a good concept for angling, but will get lazy with his feet if he has to execute a long pull.

Pass Blocking 7.8 Lamp is highly proficient as a pass blocker with a defender over his head, making him an ideal guard candidate, but as a tackle, he shows ease of movement when having to slide out and mirror an edge rusher. He seems to strive on his lateral flexibility, consistently staying with his man when the opponent attacks the backfield off the wide loop. He has the hand punch to pop and control, as it is rare to see him absorb defenders, as he much rather prefers to initiate contact in pass protection. With his kick slide and hand activity, he is very capable of staving off the edge rush, as it is obvious that he has excellent lateral movement to handle left tackle assignments.

Pulling/Trapping 6.3 Lamp is not used much on traps and pulls, but with his straight-ahead quickness, he has registered sixteen downfield blocks over the last two years. You see he has good movement skills working in space, and he has more than enough body control and good balance to root out a defender moving down the line. It is rare to see him get high in his stance or even give a hint that he appears tight when trying to open his hips. He is quick out of his stance and shows the ability to make adjustments on the short pull, but might be lacking experience when needed to execute the long pulls down field.
Lamp is Supposed to, Play Multiple Positions  
OntheRoad : 4/15/2017 2:12 pm : link
and be a Zach Martin clone. Someone like that has got to be able to improve the offensive line.
Thanks Dave  
mrvax : 4/15/2017 2:13 pm : link
What is the difference between a drive block and a down block?

Does he look as good as Martin did as a prospect?
nflscouting : 4/15/2017 2:31 pm : link
Backside Block…Used on a running play to the far side of the field - An offensive lineman (usually a tackle) steps out in the direction of the play, attacks defender under his inside shoulder, sustains block and cuts off defender’s pursuit. Done right, the runner will have wide cutback lanes.
Chip Block…Typically executed by a running back: Before running a pass pattern, he throws a quick block against a pass-rusher. The chip block slows down the pass-rusher so an offensive lineman can take a better angle on him.
Chop Block…Block directly, to a defenders knees or to the backs of his thighs, knees or ankles. This is often confused with a cut block, a legal block to the defender’s hips. An illegal, dirty play no matter what a Bronco’s lineman tells you.
Combo Block…Used on a double-team - Lineman A slows down Defender A with a quick block before peeling off to attack Defender B, leaving Lineman B to sustain the initial block on Defender A.
Crack-back Block…Used by a tight end or a wide receiver on a running play - Coming out of his pass pattern, receiver turns toward middle of field and cuts off linebacker or safety in pursuit on second level. The goal is to aim between thigh and shoulder pads; anything else will draw a penalty.
Cross Block…General term for trap and fold blocks, i.e., when one offensive lineman loops around another to engage a defender.
Cut Block…Used on a running play, usually against a linebacker: An offensive lineman fires out of his stance very low, drives into front of his defender’s hips and scrambles into him, often with one or both hands on the ground. This is illegal when the defender is engaged with another blocker.
Cutoff Block…Used by a wide receiver on a running play - He runs a 12 to 15 yard pass route into the middle field, finds the deep safety and nails him. A good cutoff block can turn a 15 yard run into a 50 yard touchdown.
Down Block…Block by an offensive lineman, in which he drives an interior defender laterally. The goal is to control the defender so that a fellow line-mate can cross, fold, pull or trap.
Drive Block…Power block in which a lineman plows into a defender straight on, ideally driving him backward out of the running hole. The blocker must stay low, take short steps, keep his hands inside the defender, aim for the numbers and keep his legs moving upon contact.
Fold Block…Block that allows a lineman to use his quickness on an inside run - After the snap, Lineman A takes a drop step, loops behind lineman B, then drives into his gap to block a linebacker. Meanwhile, Lineman B blocks the defender covering lineman A.
Kick-out Block…Used on a running play - An interior lineman pulls to the outside and engages an edge defender, usually a cornerback or an outside linebacker. The blocker pins the defender toward the sideline so the running back can cut inside. This works well in tandem with a crack-back block on sweeps.
Log Block…Used on a running play - An offensive lineman pulls along the line of scrimmage, then turns inside and cuts off first defender in pursuit.
Reach Block…Used on a running play - Instead of blocking the defender covering him, an offensive lineman engages a defender in a gap to his left or right by taking a drop step, moving laterally as if pulling, then cutting off the defender’s pursuit into an outside gap. The reach blocker must stop the defender in his tracks to open a hole.
Scoop Block…Used on a running play - An offensive lineman steps laterally and blocks a defender covering a line-mate, “scooping” him so that the line-mate can block elsewhere. Like a reach block, except driving defender back isn’t necessary; the blocker just needs to control defender and use his momentum to create a hole.
Scramble Block…Old school block still seen near the goal line. The blocker fires out low, aims for defender’s upper hip or thigh and controls defender with his shoulder.
Second Level Block…Block on a linebacker, defensive back or any defender who isn’t on the line of scrimmage at the start of a play.
Slip Block…Combo block used in pass protection - Two blockers take on one lineman, with one of those blockers slipping off to a blitzing linebacker when necessary.
Stalk Block…Used by a receiver - After running a pass route, he begins blocking his defender once that defender realizes it’s a running play.
Trap Block/Fake-out block…One lineman coaxes a defender across the line of scrimmage by pulling or pretending to pass protect. The other does a cross block, trapping coaxed defender while runner cuts inside block.
Wedge Block/Triple-team maneuver…One blocker drives a defender while two other blockers push ball carrier forward for extra power. It’s now rare, but sometimes seen near goal line.
Zone Block/Double-team block…One blocker peels off after initial contact with Defender A to engage Defender B while other blocker stays behind to finish off Defender A. Either blocker can disengage, depending on what gap or zone the defense is attacking.
Thanks Dave  
GMen23 : 4/15/2017 2:34 pm : link
Could you tell us how you rank him vs. the other top offensive linemen?
Do you see him fitting in the Giants plans, or value at 23?
nflscouting : 4/15/2017 2:42 pm : link
Bears Cody Whitehair re: comfortable playing anywhere on the OL that you want to plug him in
nflscouting : 4/15/2017 2:44 pm : link
LAMP-top rated OL guy, #15 overall. If I was Reese, I'd have John Ross run up the card to the podium with Lamp's name on it when Goodell says, "the Giants selection is next."
Thanks again  
mrvax : 4/15/2017 2:49 pm : link
If Lamp is as good as you believe, let's just hope he's there at #23.
Praying for Lamp or Mcdowell at 23  
Jim in Forest Hills : 4/15/2017 2:57 pm : link
Lamp is such a good fit. He can really help solve the OL issues with his versatility. He can play OT, he can play OG, out him where we are weak. I love his balance. His kick slides are shorter and choppy, but he is quick enough to get out there vs Arden Key and Tim Williams. Would be very happy with Lamp.
nflscouting : 4/15/2017 3:01 pm : link
Not McDowell, please no! He makes Hankins seem to be the most motivated. I will stick to my guns & they go edge rush first. Love Jordan Willis-Kansas State for that role, but afraid he won't slip to them in round two. Fave for one is Lamp
Jim in Forest Hills : 4/15/2017 3:06 pm : link
would love to see your scouting report on Mcdowell, the good, the bad and the ugly.
mrvax : 4/15/2017 3:16 pm : link
Here's a link to CBS Sports scouting report.
McDowell - ( New Window )
Thanks gor the run down Dave.  
chopperhatch : 4/15/2017 4:09 pm : link
I personally hate all OL in the first with the exception of Lamp. If he is what everybody compares him to (Martin), that is exactly what we need up front. Hes got size, snarl and feet and wants to embarass the guy in front of him.

At this point for me, he and Engram have become my favorites along with Reddick. Any of those three or a CB in round 1.
Lamp is the guy I want  
jeff57 : 4/15/2017 4:13 pm : link
nflscouting : 4/15/2017 4:13 pm : link
Just can't see the fit & CBS obviously agrees with his weakness & boy, his emotions. He had a major meltdown when Michigan center Mason Cole turned him into his girlfriend this year. Suh might get away with those outbursts because he's great. McDowell is no N. Suh! There is a crap load of DTs that can fill the needs at DT during Day 3 activity. Here are some that I see fitting in rounds 4-7;
Carlos Watkins-Clemson - great burst off the snap & had that upper body bulk to clog the rush lanes (round 4)
Eddie Vanderdoss-UCLA- (round 5)the scheme the Bruins had him in hid his talents, but he's a Fraily type with a great motor & I love the way he slides along the line
Charles Walker-Oklahoma (round 6)- another quick burst type but like McDowell, lets his emotions get in the way. Second round talent, if he gets his act together
My man, my gumba, Gordon Stewart-Albany State - I love this guy - reminds me of Big Snacks & can certainly out-eat him! Of his 37 tackles this year, 20 were for losses! He's just shy of being named a state (347 pounds), but if you want someone that can eat up an OL, go on youtube & check out those arm swipes.
I love Lamp  
Diver_Down : 4/15/2017 4:16 pm : link
and have had this man-crush for some time. When discussing OL in the first, I feel he should be the preferred player of the likes of Cam, Bolles, or Ram. I'm not interested drafting a player with an injury history like Ram. And with Cam's off-field issues, and Bolles short track-record, I would think that Lamp's 3+ years of proven blind-side production and his versatility would give him the edge over the others.
I think that Lamp is among the favorites to go at 23.  
yatqb : 4/15/2017 4:28 pm : link
Others, imo: Charlton, Cunningham, Davis, Robinson and McCaffrey.
nflscouting : 4/15/2017 4:33 pm : link
Ah, buddy, great minds, we think alike. Alas, there are 31 other teams just as high on the guys you mentioned, but imagine that trio playing in Jersey next year! Eli would have to hold tight to his Super Bowl jersey & have Steiner sell the fakes if those 3 came on board
Dolphins might take Lamp just before the Giants  
Ivan15 : 4/15/2017 4:33 pm : link
Dolphins have other needs too which is the only thing that leaves me optimistic that the will get their first choice at a position of need.
RE: Thanks gor the run down Dave.  
LauderdaleMatty : 4/15/2017 5:09 pm : link
In comment 13429719 chopperhatch said:
I personally hate all OL in the first with the exception of Lamp. If he is what everybody compares him to (Martin), that is exactly what we need up front. Hes got size, snarl and feet and wants to embarass the guy in front of him.

At this point for me, he and Engram have become my favorites along with Reddick. Any of those three or a CB in round 1.

I'd take any of those 3 as well. Think people are over rating the Hankins loss. Playing w JPP, Vernon and Snacks He was solid. If he was special he would have gotten a lot more than 14.5 guaranteed. That's not a huge amount for a guarantee and makes him an easy cut in year 3.
RE: Thanks Dave  
Sasuke : 4/16/2017 8:43 am : link
In comment 13429639 mrvax said:
What is the difference between a drive block and a down block?

Does he look as good as Martin did as a prospect?

Drive Block is pushing defenders off the line, creating gaps for the RB/FB

Down Block is driving the defenders to the center of the line on either opposite end this works with pulling Linemen for sweeps or toss plays.
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