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Dave Te-If I was Jerry Reese, here's who I like;

nflscouting : 4/15/2017 4:27 pm
Round One-Forrest Lamp-OT/G-Western Kentucky
Round Two-doubt if he lasts, but if there, Jordan Willis-DE-Kansas State
Round Three-Bucky Hodges-WR/H-Back (some say round 5, but look at the combine #s)
Round Four-Donta Foreman-Texas or Cory Clement-Wisconsin-TB...yes, Foreman has a case of the yips that might see him slide & yes, Clement did not blaze his 40 in Indy, but both are power oriented inside runners & Clement is the hometown (NJ) kid
Round Five-Jordan Evans-Oklahoma-OLB or Jerod Evans-QB Virginia Tech...staff went en masse to work out 6 QBs. Only 2 not given round one marks were Evans & Kaaya...Evans has great range, burst & power, recording 277 tackles with 21 TFL in 36 starts
Round Six-Grover Stewart-Albany State-DT-Big Snacks will fight this kid for food at the dining room table, but this guy will be a fan fave in the Jim Burt mold
Round Seven-Andreas Knappe-OT-UConn or Kyle Sloter-QB-Northern Colorado...If they go LB in round 5, they get the best arm left on the board & folks, Sloter is the real deal. Still, even if they get OL help early, the upside that Knappe offers is very interesting.
Can't see another short-armed  
allstarjim : 4/15/2017 4:33 pm : link
guy for a tackle spot at 23. Didn't really work with Pugh, and I really want more of a prototype if I'm thinking tackle in the first. Dave, I know he's not your favorite, but I think Garett Bolles is going to be a great NFL tackle for a long time. You can't teach his feet, and I know you track things and run blocking is not the best aspect of his game (however, when he pulls right in the hole he is really effective), but there is nobody else in this draft I would trust more as a pass protector to protect Eli's blind side early in his career.
Would love Dont'a Foreman, though  
allstarjim : 4/15/2017 4:33 pm : link
You think he would still be hanging around at the end of the 4th round, though?
ALLSTARJIM  
nflscouting : 4/15/2017 4:45 pm : link
The thing is, I was realistic when picking & felt while I might not be on his bandwagon, Bolles will be gone before #23. Unless Denver pulls the deal I am hearing with Cleveland (cache of picks 1,2,3 & more next year) to move up to #12 to take McCaffrey, WITH Joe Thomas included. Yeah, crazy rumors pop up, but Elway has been trying to use monopoly money to get Joe Thomas the last two years. Honestly, outside of T. Smith at Dallas, there's not a better LOT in the league. If he could walk away with McCaff & Joe & not pick until Day 3, Denver would have a great draft.
RE: ALLSTARJIM  
allstarjim : 4/15/2017 5:23 pm : link
In comment 13429749 nflscouting said:
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The thing is, I was realistic when picking & felt while I might not be on his bandwagon, Bolles will be gone before #23. Unless Denver pulls the deal I am hearing with Cleveland (cache of picks 1,2,3 & more next year) to move up to #12 to take McCaffrey, WITH Joe Thomas included. Yeah, crazy rumors pop up, but Elway has been trying to use monopoly money to get Joe Thomas the last two years. Honestly, outside of T. Smith at Dallas, there's not a better LOT in the league. If he could walk away with McCaff & Joe & not pick until Day 3, Denver would have a great draft.


I agree, and definitely see the thinking that Bolles may be off the board at #23. My hope is 3 QBs go prior the Giants as well as Fournette, Cook (Philly or Tampa), and McCaffrey go prior to our pick as well. If that happens, the Giants will have a some pretty great talent at their spot to pick from. The OTs are now getting crazy money in free agency, so it just makes too much sense to try to get young, cost-controlled ones early in the draft, so hoping the Giants do that, even if it's a guy who's not projected to start right away.
I like picks 1 & 2 a lot.  
Rjanyg : 4/15/2017 5:31 pm : link
Not a Hodges fan, he is a WR IMO.

Foreman would be great.

Dave, when you say Albany State do you mean Albany, NY?

Thanks for all your input on BBI!!!
Albany State - Georgia  
JohnF : 4/15/2017 5:46 pm : link
Here's a link to him from their web site:

http://www.asugoldenrams.com/roster.aspx?rp_id=831&path=football

LOL, they have him listed as "Defensive Back". I'd like to see the rest of their DB's, if that's the case!
Love the Picks  
Archer : 4/15/2017 5:52 pm : link
With the exception of Jerad Evans.
If we could get Robinson or Lamp  
edavisiii : 4/15/2017 5:54 pm : link
Put them at right guard to start, Fluker leaves after 1 year or sucks....bump them out to RT!
Only fear w Bolles IMO is his age.  
LauderdaleMatty : 4/15/2017 5:57 pm : link
I don't care about longevity as much as is he physically maxed out. A 25 year old playing against kids matters to me.

As for RB I think Perrine would my pick.

And for RD would be more than happy w Lamp. There's not enough talent on the OL and Pugh being re-signed is not a sure thing IMO. They really need two starters out of his draft. Maybe not. This year but the OL is thinner than an thin in overall talent. Need to up that talent level
I had hated the idea  
mrvax : 4/15/2017 6:15 pm : link
of pissing away pick #23 on an Oline guy. Dave got me excited to this new T-Rex, Lamp. If they snag him, I'll be happy.
TO RJN-HODGES  
nflscouting : 4/15/2017 6:40 pm : link
Here's why I love the pick - he's never going to block, but look at the speed, frame & athletic numbers, or in other words - a VERY YOUNG Brandon Marshall. He created huge mismatches as a flanker last year
Lamp  
LakeGeorgeGiant : 4/15/2017 6:41 pm : link
is the only OL I'd be interested in at 23, but I remain unconvinced that he's a LT at this level.

Then again, I'm not a scout.

Good to have you back Dave Te.
ALBANY STATE  
nflscouting : 4/15/2017 6:44 pm : link
The Albany State University Rams are a Division II predominently black college in Georgia. Stewart helped the team to an 11-8 record the last two years. There are only 3500 students at the school, the same amount in the balcony men's room at a University of Michigan contest. Look at his size, power, small school stature - he's Big Snacks brotha from another mother!
ARCHER-about EVANS  
nflscouting : 4/15/2017 6:47 pm : link
If they are going to bring in a QB, let it be on Day 3. Evans could have been a 1 next year under Justin Fuente's system. Look at his efficient #s as a runner & passer at Tech. In 2015, he was the top rated juco QB, throwing for 39 TDs & 6 INTs while running for 10 or so more scores. Hell, Mahomes was a smart duck to come out - next year's QB crop would push any of these so-called Round 1 guys in 2017 to the third round next year. That could be why I predict the Jets will tank it & end up with Wyoming's Josh Allen as the #1 guy in 2018
RE: TO RJN-HODGES  
robbieballs2003 : 4/15/2017 6:49 pm : link
In comment 13429818 nflscouting said:
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Here's why I love the pick - he's never going to block, but look at the speed, frame & athletic numbers, or in other words - a VERY YOUNG Brandon Marshall. He created huge mismatches as a flanker last year


What is your opinion about Hodges playing big? What I mean by that is that Marshall is not just a big receiver but he out muscles and attacks the ball so he plays big. I see Hodges let a lot of balls get into his body which negates his size. That is why I like Engram because he attacks the ball up high.
ROBBIEBALLS  
nflscouting : 4/15/2017 7:04 pm : link
Hell Robbie, I'd take Engram over any of the motley crew at TE, but I see Hodges as a great round 4/5 find. Understand, he was a QB in 2014, so he's still not deep into the learning curve. When they lined him up at flanker, oh those mismathes he created.
You know, even if I took Engram, if I came back in Round 4 or 5 & Hodges was there, I'd double up, using one in the slot & put Hodges on a student-teacher thing behind Marshall. The bad thing with Marshall? Locker room, of course, but I would really like to see Shepherd get an outside position
RE: Lamp  
chopperhatch : 4/15/2017 7:05 pm : link
In comment 13429819 LakeGeorgeGiant said:
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is the only OL I'd be interested in at 23, but I remain unconvinced that he's a LT at this level.

Then again, I'm not a scout.

Good to have you back Dave Te.


I dont th8nk we need a T THIS year. Flowers deserves another year at LT given his age and what we invested him him. Period. That and honestly, he has not proven out right that that he is incapable of playing the position. He has flashed.

Now, a kick ass mobile G like Snee or Zach Martin at 23 sounds much more valuable to me than a LT which forces us to move Flowers to learn a new position. You improve the interior and hope that Flowers as well as Fluker play better than they have in recent years. That wpuld give us a pretty young and tough line of athletes and we can address LT next year or later in the draft.

It makes way too much sense for us not to take him...if hes there. However Engram has grown on me considerably. I would love either at 23
Thanks.  
robbieballs2003 : 4/15/2017 7:30 pm : link
I wasn't really comparing Engram and Hodges in terms of value in the draft. I just figured Engram was the quick comparison in terms of ability to attack the ball.

Obviously, you know way more than me with these players but I feel like the Giants are starting to drift away from these projects. Their drafts have been better lately. I get the upside with Hodges. Not many people on earth have his size and athleticism. Still, when I played and coached I always said this about receivers (and I guess it goes for a player like Hodges too), "Is he a wide receiver playing football or is he a player trying to play wide receiver?" Hodges just doesn't seem natural doing it. Now, I get that he was a former QB and he is still learning the position but for that reason alone I wonder if that drops Hodges down on the Giants board because they have had more success with non-project players of late especially when Mara came out a couple of years ago and stated that we need to draft better. Our FA additions have been probably unprecedented with not just the amount we have spent but also with the amount of success we have had from them. Still, our draft picks have been much better lately which has helped us have a quick turnaround under McAdoo. Thanks again.
If we land Lamp,  
hammock man : 4/16/2017 6:39 am : link
and I hope we do, it will be facinating to see where the pieces land. The line becomes competitive. Solari will have a field day.
Starting the draft with Lamp  
GMen23 : 4/16/2017 9:06 am : link
Would take a lot of pressure off the next 6 Rds. You and SY, have really moved Engram up in a lot people's eyes here.

Would be thrilled to not have to address RB until Rd 4, and still get Foreman.
Do you mean  
Jay in Toronto : 4/16/2017 9:16 am : link
If Reese were you, this is who he would like?
Re-posting this comment, which really belongs here:  
Big Blue Blogger : 4/16/2017 9:53 am : link
nflscouting said:
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... Round Four-Donta Foreman-Texas or Cory Clement-Wisconsin-TB...yes, Foreman has a case of the yips that might see him slide & yes, Clement did not blaze his 40 in Indy, but both are power oriented inside runners & Clement is the hometown (NJ) kid
Clement seems to have addressed some of the speed/AA shortcomings with a good Pro Day showing; but doesn't he still come with significant character concerns? Also, is he really local? I think of Glassboro as Eagle country. Not that coming home to Jersey is necessarily a cure for off-field issues (see "Hill, Will").
To Jay In Toronto  
nflscouting : 4/16/2017 12:53 pm : link
What I am saying is, whether I am Jerry Reese or Joe Blow, put me in the war room & let me draft for Big Blue, if these guys were there, that is who I would take without hesitation
Dave Te  
Jay in Toronto : 4/16/2017 5:05 pm : link
Just read your other post -- sorry if I came off as nit-picking -- Heaven forbid.

It is interesting to hear what an informed person would do if they were in the GM's position vs an informed person would believe that a GM would actually do. The latter tend to be the draft 'predictors'.
Lamp  
WillVAB : 4/16/2017 6:01 pm : link
I don't like his feet at all. Looks really lazy or sloppy with his footwork. Also too many plays where he engages with a defender and stops moving his feet.

If he's the best OL at 23 I'd rather draft another position.
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