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NFT: NBA playoff thread

LCtheINTMachine : 4/15/2017 4:47 pm
I don't plan on watching much today but I thought I'd get the party started. Here are the LC NBA playoff coach rankings to get us in the mood.

1. Tyronn Lue - Never lost a playoff series so can't argue with that. Handpicked by the King himself.
2. Gregg Popovich - Everyone knows his deal.
3. Scott Brooks - One of the game's most underrated
4. Brad Stevens - A rising star in the profession.
5. Mike D'Antoni - Revolutionized the Rockets
6. Steve Kerr - He's good but anyone could coach an All-Star team.
7. Terry Stotts - Another top strategist who learned at the feet of George Karl.
8. Doc Rivers - He has won a title.
9. Quin Snyder - Worked wonders in Utah this season.
10. Dwyane Casey - Thoroughly average.
11. Jason Kidd - He's coached a team past Toronto once. Will he do it again?
12. Nate McMillan - Pretty much a retread.
13. Mike Budenholzer - A Popovich acolyte known for big regular seasons and playoff failure.
14. David Fizdale - Unproven. Also I am not sure he actually exists.
15. Billy Donovan - Roll the balls out.
16. Fred Hoiberg - Should be fired.

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Steve Kerr was the GOAT until last year?  
David in LA : 4/17/2017 2:31 pm : link
Yeah, that's just idiotic logic. Guess things like track record and body of work gets completely disregarded.
Popovich  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 4/17/2017 7:44 pm : link
Is the best coach in the league, followed by Stevens.

Gotta  
Sgrcts : 4/17/2017 7:49 pm : link
be a troll. Right?
Right guys  
LCtheINTMachine : 4/17/2017 11:39 pm : link
I ranked all 16, just my opinion. Let's see you do the same and see how you handle the scrutiny. Don't take this shit so serious, it's only a game anyway.

All this doesn't mean shit anyway, you should know since it's all about the 'ship.
Here's something you NBA heads don't know  
LCtheINTMachine : 4/17/2017 11:45 pm : link
Talk about work ethic!
Link - ( New Window )
Dave Griffin is then the best GM?  
giantsfan44ab : 4/18/2017 7:23 am : link
I feel dirty even thinking about that.
I will admit  
LCtheINTMachine : 4/18/2017 10:36 am : link
that I know who David Fizdale is now.

Take that for data!
if Tyronn Lue  
PaulBlakeTSU : 4/18/2017 11:06 am : link
were a better coach, he wouldn't have needed to stay up all night.

We don't have to make a ranking. You started a thread specifically to rank the coaches in the playoffs and you did so with the Skip Bayless approach of saying something stupid just to rile people up.

Congrats, it worked. The downside for you, though, is that now no one respects your opinion on here.
Kawhi is just unbelievable  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 4/18/2017 12:04 pm : link
His offensive game is just beautiful to watch. He scores from everywhere on the court. And although he won't win it this year, he's a DPOY caliber defender when he wants to be.

Durant being a 7ft Mr. Fantastic looking freakshow makes it tough to go against him as the #2 player in the game, but I actually prefer Kawhi's game.

The counter-argument is Paul George and Jimmy Butler. If you switched either of those 2 with Kawhi, how much would the Spurs decline? If they were groomed under Pop and Duncan, would they be as good as/better than Kawhi is right now?
RE: Gotta  
giants#1 : 4/18/2017 12:07 pm : link
In comment 13431837 Sgrcts said:
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be a troll. Right?


I was thinking MoM-dupe
RE: RE: Gotta  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 4/18/2017 12:10 pm : link
In comment 13432530 giants#1 said:
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In comment 13431837 Sgrcts said:


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be a troll. Right?



I was thinking MoM-dupe


I don't think you know who MoM is.
LeBron's biggest cheerleader  
giants#1 : 4/18/2017 12:17 pm : link
.
Paul George bitching  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 4/18/2017 12:21 pm : link
Again. He's becoming completely unlikable.
he's one  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 4/18/2017 12:25 pm : link
of the smartest basketball fans I've ever read on the internet. And he was right about LeBron.

David Fizdale though. Great rant last night. Now I will remember him as more than "the coach with the ridiculously hot wife".
RE: if Tyronn Lue  
LCtheINTMachine : 4/18/2017 2:47 pm : link
In comment 13432397 PaulBlakeTSU said:
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were a better coach, he wouldn't have needed to stay up all night.

We don't have to make a ranking. You started a thread specifically to rank the coaches in the playoffs and you did so with the Skip Bayless approach of saying something stupid just to rile people up.

Congrats, it worked. The downside for you, though, is that now no one respects your opinion on here.


Respect goes both ways. I know I didn't attack anyone yet I got attacked for an opinion. Not a fact, an opinion. Maybe I am wrong, maybe I am right, that's fine. Maybe I actually worked in the NBA and have some information you don't know. It's all good though - you won't get me to attack you since I don't stoop to that level.

You said I said a stupid thing but it's an opinion, not a fact. I respect you calling me stupid but I won't say you are since I don't know you to judge. Again I won't stoop to that level like so many.
PaulBlake  
LCtheINTMachine : 4/18/2017 2:49 pm : link
According to your logic on Lue, the less you work the better you are? So we assume LeBron works less than a Mike Conley then? I guess that's what you mean.
It's well known among those who work in the NBA  
LCtheINTMachine : 4/18/2017 3:01 pm : link
That Pop doesn't make adjustments well. That's why his Spurs have blown more leads than his teams have come from behind in series. You can look that one up.

Meanwhile just some insight for you, if both Pop and Lue lost their jobs today, it's well known in NBA circles which coach would have more teams willing to hire him today. Yes, Pop would get less coaching jobs than Lue now, that is correct. I concede he'd get more Phil Jackson-type jobs.

So there are some facts for you who don't understand why my opinion is what it is. Attack my opinion all you want. Don't attack my facts. I know Lue and know how good he is and history will prove that he is a great coach. I know I an ahead of the curve on this but he is simply a great coach, it's known to those in the know.
So explain it to me BBI!  
LCtheINTMachine : 4/18/2017 3:09 pm : link
You posters are unprofessional. I don't get the respect because I have class. I know you are experienced BBI posters with that pedigree but I'm not going to let you rook me on the NBA. Take that for data!
tough to say if this is Joe  
PaulBlakeTSU : 4/18/2017 4:56 pm : link
he sure likes to make several posts in a row like Joe/MoM did, but Joe/MoM actually made coherent, data-driven basketball arguments. Perhaps this is a Joe troll job.

LCtheINTMachine, you started a thread on BBI with the sole purpose to rank the head coaches in the NBA playoffs and you ranked Ty Lue at #1. No one solicited your opinion on the matter. You deserve all the ridicule you get.

You ask that we don't attack you, but that we attack your facts. What facts have you provided other than the Spurs under Pop having lost more series with a lead than they have won series when behind? Yet, even with that, you don't source it or actually define what you meant. You also don't list how often the Spurs have been ahead in a series vs. times they've trailed.

Furthermore, you beg the question assuming the premise that such a "fact" is what determines the greatness of a coach.

Also please distinguish between Steve Kerr transforming the Warriors into a dominant force merely being "anyone can coach an all-star team", to Tyronn Lue taking over a team that battled a Warriors to 6 games despite having only about 50-60% of the team's salary available to play and headed by a superstar who went to five straight finals before Lue took over.

If you want BBI posters to be "professional," perhaps you should stop with the bombastic hot takes that make you sound like a jackass on sports talk radio.
I'm sure Boston will battle back tonight, it's just the 1st qtr  
Giantology : 4/18/2017 8:31 pm : link
But I have a hard time seeing them win this series. Too many mismatches for them.
RE: RE: Gotta  
MookGiants : 4/18/2017 8:34 pm : link
In comment 13432530 giants#1 said:
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In comment 13431837 Sgrcts said:


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be a troll. Right?



I was thinking MoM-dupe


Not a chance in the world LCtheINTMachine is Joe. Joe was a great poster here. One I disagreed with quite a bit, but he never trolled and always backed up his opinions, even when I didn't agree with them,.

LCtheINTMachine is definitely a former poster, I just can't figure out who yet
Joe never would have  
santacruzom : 4/18/2017 8:47 pm : link
Opined that more NBA teams would take an available Lue over an available Pop and labelled it as fact.
LC isn't remotely close to Joe  
David in LA : 4/18/2017 8:50 pm : link
If Joe was going to go all in on Lue, he would have had a much more sound argument to back it up. This guy is one of our less intelligent retreads, which is a large pool to choose from.
I thought Boston  
giantsfan44ab : 4/18/2017 10:12 pm : link
was a pretender but didn't think they'd get obliterated round 1.
RE: I thought Boston  
nygiants16 : 4/18/2017 10:20 pm : link
In comment 13433650 giantsfan44ab said:
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was a pretender but didn't think they'd get obliterated round 1.


it is really not surprising, good regular season team because they play hard but in the playoffs they have 1 go to scorer and when he is shut down they have a bunch of role players around him..
Through two games  
bceagle05 : 4/18/2017 10:22 pm : link
you'd think the seeds were reversed here.
Very 2014 Hawk-ish feel  
giantsfan44ab : 4/18/2017 10:26 pm : link
Probably because horford can't block shit on the defensive glass. Dude is not a 5.
Blake Griffin  
KWALL2 : 4/19/2017 12:01 am : link
Half time guys got it right about the thing that holds him back. He has to demand the ball more. Be much more aggressive. And not settle. When he does this he kicks ass.

Nobody on that Utah team should be able to even slow him down. He needs to take over. But too often, in the half court, he's ok with simply giving the ball back to the guard and setting the pick. It's frustrating to watch as a Clipper fan. He can and should do much more.
Hot take:  
Metnut : 4/19/2017 9:22 am : link
Brad Stevens should win a playoff series before he's anointed as a top 5 head coach in the NBA. His team is getting abused by an 8 seed.

I think if the Brooklyn pick doesn't work out next year, there's a chance Boston starts to turn on him. If that does happen, I hope it happens before coach K retires because the idea of Stevens succeeding coach K at Duke sickens me (as a Duke hater).
RE: Hot take:  
giantsfan44ab : 4/19/2017 10:34 am : link
In comment 13433926 Metnut said:
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Brad Stevens should win a playoff series before he's anointed as a top 5 head coach in the NBA. His team is getting abused by an 8 seed.

I think if the Brooklyn pick doesn't work out next year, there's a chance Boston starts to turn on him. If that does happen, I hope it happens before coach K retires because the idea of Stevens succeeding coach K at Duke sickens me (as a Duke hater).


See I don't buy that story either. I'd actually love for that story to be true, because the Celtics turn on him and then IU can go after him since he'll be fed up that he gave everything he got and the NBA disrespected him.

Is Budenholzer a marginal coach or does his talent not match up to to the contenders? Everyone is giving Spo tons of praise (and deseverdly so)and didn't make the playoffs. When you drill down, how much better REALLY is the Celtics roster than the heat roster?

The Celtics lead dog was a starter with an all NBA player and they Barry cracked 30 wins. On the open market, his value was literally attributed to be that of a league average player (he was given the MLE from the Suns to play backup). If that didn't say anything about his value,he was traded for a late 1st rounder.

Jae Crowder was a throw in for the Rondo trade. He couldn't shoot 3s that well prior to this year.

Horford is a good player no doubt but he's what I call an "honorary all star". He was arguably the best player on Hawks teams that were much greater than the sum of their parts and was given all star selections prior to it. He's also been miscast as a center his entire career (he'll even tell you that) and isn't a defensive or rebounding anchor for a contending team. He's a 4 who is ideally placed next to a Whiteside or howard type.

Bradley in my view is the Celtics best player. He's 6'2" as is the teams leading rebounder. Huge fan but he shouldn't be the best player on a 1 seed. He's a 3rd option at best.

This Celtics team isn't that much better than the heat roster IMO and they finished as a 1 seed and the heat didn't make the playoffs. Granted, if the heat played like they did the 2nd half of the year they'd probably be a 5 seed. Still, it's a testament to both coaches. Dragic is pretty comparable to thomas, Whiteside is probably a more impactful player than horford, and Waiters, James Johnson and Tyler Johnson are fairly comparable to Bradley, Crowder and smart.

Stevens is still a top 5 coach in my mind. It's just talent gets exposed in the playoffs. The Celtics didn't have any business being this good 4 years ago and yet they are now.
Marcus Smart is getting the Mark Texiera  
giantsfan44ab : 4/19/2017 10:42 am : link
infield shift. What is Stevens gonna do, hit the 3s for him?

And I don't mean to disrespect thomas at this time, but he's arguably the biggest defensive liability in the NBA. Through no fault of his own, he was just born 6 inches shorter than the average NBA PG. Stevens can't pick him up to help him contest shots better or keep guys in front of him. He's literally the ONLY player on the Celtics that can create his own shots so Stevens needs thomas on the floor at all times even though his a sieve on the other end.
I hadn't actually seen  
santacruzom : 4/19/2017 5:37 pm : link
Fizzdale's rant until now. Wow! Just reading about it doesn't do it justice.

I gotta say though -- what he's saying doesn't seem all that crazy to me. As a rule I'm sure the Grizzlies commit more legitimate fouls than the Spurs do just by nature of their defensive style, but is the difference of the magnitude we observed in game 2? I don't think so. There certainly seems to have been a difference between how the refs reflexively reacted to Grizzlies conduct vs Spurs.
Cs were a weak  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 4/19/2017 5:53 pm : link
1 seed.

That said, I'm shocked Chicago is up 2-0 right now. They looked absolutely dreadful at points this season.

Rondo is performing like vintage Rondo.
Pissed off Russ  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 4/19/2017 8:17 pm : link
Showed up tonight.
Russ choked so hard  
giantsfan44ab : 4/19/2017 10:36 pm : link
Stopped trusting his teammates and chucked a lot of long 2s and contested 3s at the end.

Man I love Westbrook but I'm starting to get really turned off by him. He could be so much more.
Pacers are puttin a hurtin on the Cavs right now  
Giantology : 4/20/2017 8:06 pm : link
Up 22 pts near end of first half. Let's see if they can finish.
50-19 Bucks over Raptors  
Anakim : 4/20/2017 9:02 pm : link
You read that right. 50-19
RE: Pacers are puttin a hurtin on the Cavs right now  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 4/20/2017 9:33 pm : link
In comment 13436427 Giantology said:
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Up 22 pts near end of first half. Let's see if they can finish.


They can't. LBJ doing his thing.
RE: RE: Pacers are puttin a hurtin on the Cavs right now  
David in LA : 4/20/2017 9:42 pm : link
In comment 13436617 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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In comment 13436427 Giantology said:


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Up 22 pts near end of first half. Let's see if they can finish.



They can't. LBJ doing his thing.


Holy shit. I turned the game off and went to get some dinner.
Dave, I left bar with buddy at half with Pacers up 25.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 4/20/2017 10:08 pm : link
Ubered home, took dog for walk, had glass of wine with the Mrs., and then plopped on couch with a Sierra Nevada in hand and put on TNT to see Cavs within 5, eliciting a 'WTF happened reaction?'

Bucks dominating the Raptors. Milwaukee is going to be scary soon.
LeBron is on a mission  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 4/21/2017 12:47 am : link
If he completes it... I don't even know what that'd mean. He's just so good
Ugh, not only is Durant out  
santacruzom : 4/22/2017 8:41 pm : link
Tonight, but Steve Kerr is as well. Mike Brown coaching this team tonight on the road? Ew.
Good God  
santacruzom : 4/22/2017 10:36 pm : link
Is anyone else watching what Kawhi is doing to Memphis? How many clutch shots in a row can one guy make?
This game  
santacruzom : 4/22/2017 10:38 pm : link
Is cinematic.
What a performance by Kawhi in the loss.  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 4/22/2017 11:07 pm : link
Reminded me of the lyric... "Freakin' brothers every way like MJ".

Conley and Gasol with big shots late. Memphis is a tough team, but the Spurs weren't supposed to be battling like this.
Bet Mike Brown  
giantsfan44ab : 4/23/2017 1:58 am : link
Will be a head coach next season cuz of this.
Harden with a huge  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 4/23/2017 6:02 pm : link
Shot.
Celts  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 4/23/2017 7:08 pm : link
Are winning this series in 6.
Warriors are bitch-slapping the Blazers like they have 15 fingers  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 4/24/2017 11:12 pm : link
on each hand.

GS up 41-15 with 2 minutes left in the 1st quarter.

Let's just skip to the Finals.
There was talk Rondo was  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 4/26/2017 6:12 pm : link
going to play tonight, but he ruled himself out.

The Bulls are completely lost without Rondo. People have been giving him hell for years, but Rondo is pretty damn good.
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