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nflscouting : 4/15/2017 7:19 pm
Remember that kid's movie - T-Rex - big head/short arms? Well, Lamp is that rare duck that can get away with it. Yes, he had the second-shortest arms of the 46 OL guys at Indy, but he has 10 5/8-inch hands (tenth biggest) & put up 225 34 times, second best.
Now, look at the 2 "flavors of the month" Bolles & Ramczyk
Ole Rammy has a bad wing, ole Rammy has a bad hip. He played 14 games of DI ball, put up 225 last spring 16 times & his arms are 33 3/4. A freaking 1 & 1/4 inches longer than Lamp's. I take Lamp.
Bolles has just 13 games under his belt & I don't give a rooty-toot what folks say, it was ASIATA that hid Bolles biggest issue, recovering when working in-line. Bolles has 34 inch arms. I take Lamp. Why? He's a guy that I can plug in anywhere, tenacious as all hell & one I need to beat up & pulverize edge rushers even before they try to acvt fancy with spin moves.
In 48 starts at left tackle, he's averaged 12.3 knockdowns per game & 17 TD-resulting blocks per season. He's allowed 3 sacks, 4 pressures & is the ONLY OL guy in this draft who has received a blocking grade above 87% (92.665). To me, he's a much better version that the Bears Cody Whitehair & I still say the Bears got the steal of the draft in him.
Dave if NYG goes OL Lamp is who I want  
Rjanyg : 4/15/2017 7:28 pm : link
Total package. Can play RG or LT IMO.

Do you think that Lamp is rated higher than Njoku on Reese's board?
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AcidTest : 4/15/2017 7:28 pm : link
wouldn't' hate any of them at #23, but think we can do better. My guess is the Giants will decide the same. Bolles will likely already be gone by then anyway. Look for a pass rusher. My guess: Chris Wormley.
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section125 : 4/15/2017 7:34 pm : link
In comment 13429834 AcidTest said:
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wouldn't' hate any of them at #23, but think we can do better. My guess is the Giants will decide the same. Bolles will likely already be gone by then anyway. Look for a pass rusher. My guess: Chris Wormley.


No DTs at #23. CBS Sports has him ranked 67th - early 3rd round. I can see him at #55, but not #23.
Dave, I guess you never saw this picture on here?  
robbieballs2003 : 4/15/2017 7:35 pm : link
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AcidTest : 4/15/2017 7:36 pm : link
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wouldn't' hate any of them at #23, but think we can do better. My guess is the Giants will decide the same. Bolles will likely already be gone by then anyway. Look for a pass rusher. My guess: Chris Wormley.



No DTs at #23. CBS Sports has him ranked 67th - early 3rd round. I can see him at #55, but not #23.


He can also play DE, and has the size the Giants desire at that position. Reese won't care where others have him ranked. If we don't take Wormley in the first, look for DeMarcus Walker in the second.
ROBBIEBALLS  
nflscouting : 4/15/2017 7:51 pm : link
Hilarious T-Rex shot-you crazy nut job
Dave....  
Reb8thVA : 4/15/2017 8:03 pm : link
What are your thoughts on Asiata, in the second or third round, if Lamp is gone?
Dave, the more I let it marinate, the more I want Lamp  
chopperhatch : 4/15/2017 8:06 pm : link
On our line. Flowers' talent, age and nasty streak earns him another year at LT. But Flowers, Pugh, Richburg and Lamp has a great ring to it. Bring me the nasty line. At the very least we will definitely be able to run block at least.

What would you think about Shaheen in Rd. 2 after grabbing Lamp?
I would love  
lugnut : 4/15/2017 9:09 pm : link
Wormley or Walker in the 2nd. And Giants seem to have a penchant for DTs in the 2nd, so we shouldn't be at all surprised if it happened. That both can play DE checks the Reese box for versatility.

If we got Njoku in the 1st, Wormley/Walker in the 2nd, Perine/Hunt in the 3rd, and BPA of OL in the 4th, I would have to change my shorts.
Looking at the tape of all the Ot's Lamp is by far the best  
Dry Lightning : 4/15/2017 9:16 pm : link
pass blocker. He looks JUST LIKE Zack Martin when he was being drafted. I like Lamp. The second best that I have seen is Antonio Garcia from Troy. I think he is a more likely pick than Lamp if he is available. I would be thrilled with either. I don't like Bolles age and his off the field his history. Ramcyk does not impress me on tape. Played in a running offense and his blocking was just ok. Plus, seems like a dimwit in interviews I heard and he is banged up.
Whelp Dave  
mrvax : 4/15/2017 9:25 pm : link
The T-Rex arms of Justin Pugh has not affected his solid NFL career.

Many Oline prospects that never pan out have large wing spans. I take that measurement with a grain of salt.

I'm excited by your review of Lamp.
one can deduce that given wider than usual shoulder to shoulder  
idiotsavant : 4/15/2017 9:33 pm : link
distance, and good athleticism, a simple twist of the upper body would extend ones 'reach' by such a margin as would make the actual arm length fairly irrelevant.
(supporting daves logic)  
idiotsavant : 4/15/2017 9:34 pm : link
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RE: one can deduce that given wider than usual shoulder to shoulder  
mrvax : 4/15/2017 9:36 pm : link
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distance, and good athleticism, a simple twist of the upper body would extend ones 'reach' by such a margin as would make the actual arm length fairly irrelevant.


Agreed. Game tape will tell you that.
in addition wide set and thick legs  
idiotsavant : 4/15/2017 9:38 pm : link
would support that, which the kid has as well. it may be helpful for some players to stay 'squared up' however, there would be certain players with the strength and wide base to twist and gain sideways extension, so why not, if they can?
SHORT ARM SUCCESS STORIES  
nflscouting : 4/15/2017 11:53 pm : link
Current left tackles doing well - Joe Thomas measures in with 32 1/2" arms, Donald Penn checks in at 33 & the new right tackle for the Pokes, La'el Collins measures at 32 7/8
This long arms requirement is just crap  
PatersonPlank : 4/16/2017 12:19 am : link
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Arm length is very important...  
3r76jp : 4/16/2017 12:37 am : link
Lamp is gonna get drafted early and may even have the opportunity to play tackle. It's just that he's being over hyped in the football media. He's got the smarts and athletic ability to be great. He just comes up short on the physical dimensions teams like to see in a tackle. I'd draft him in the 2nd rd. but I don't see him as a 1st rd. talent. Unless if the Giants greatest weakness was at guard.
Lamp  
KWALL2 : 4/16/2017 3:22 am : link
If we're going Western Kentucky let's go Tawyan
Taylor!

I'm betting on Taylor as the best NFL player from this school
If an OT gets drafted by Reese in the 1st,  
George from PA : 4/16/2017 4:00 am : link
I feel it will be Cam Robinson.

He is clean. Has all the measurables. Plays big time competition. He just seems the type

I suspect he and Fluker would create running by lanes on the right side. Thankfully, the quick throws will limit the shortfalls in their pass blocking
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LakeGeorgeGiant : 4/16/2017 6:24 am : link
In comment 13429846 AcidTest said:
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wouldn't' hate any of them at #23, but think we can do better. My guess is the Giants will decide the same. Bolles will likely already be gone by then anyway. Look for a pass rusher. My guess: Chris Wormley.



You keep beating this drum. I'm not sure if you believe it, or if you just want to believe it, but they aren't taking Wormley at 23. Maybe at 55, but not at 23.
RE: This long arms requirement is just crap  
LakeGeorgeGiant : 4/16/2017 6:27 am : link
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Ok..

but I'm not sure the Giants would agree with you.
3R-  
idiotsavant : 4/16/2017 8:22 am : link
Arm length is very important...
3r76jp : 12:37 am : link : reply

Lamp is gonna get drafted early and may even have the opportunity to play tackle. It's just that he's being over hyped in the football media. He's got the smarts and athletic ability to be great. He just comes up short on the physical dimensions teams like to see in a tackle. I'd draft him in the 2nd rd. but I don't see him as a 1st rd. talent. Unless if the Giants greatest weakness was at guard.''

That's actually part of the equation, we are overlooking how Macadoo seems to want/need to use his guards and centers in this system, that is, with a very heavy, overly solid base / anchor seemingly, and Lamp would appear to have that more so than Pugh as a guard.

In addition, look at 'useable distance from your axis' (your spine) for the real effective reach measurement, wherein the quality of your base (feet on up) and your width of shoulders, would each factor effect that 'reach' in ways that may be ever so slightly harder to measure but just as effective as 'real reach' for certain players.
yeah - I don't see Wormley  
SLIM_ : 4/16/2017 8:48 am : link
as a first. Giants really try to get the athletic ability and youth. He doesn't have either.
As usual many pick their favorites guys and then back into the logic  
Bob in Newburgh : 4/16/2017 9:01 am : link
to justify.

Whoever we pick, is only going to start at LT in 2017 if an injury knocks out Flowers.

Or, if the player can actual come from behind and cleanly, and clearly, beat out Flowers. Guys like Bolles are not developed enough to do this.

It should be clear to those with half or more of a brain, that it is highly unlikely that Justin Pugh is a Giant in 2018.

Lamp covers many version of oline Plan A, B, C.
Love the versatility assessment of Lamp  
GMen23 : 4/16/2017 9:51 am : link
I don't care which position he plays, if he is an upgrade to this woeful unit. I wrote yesterday on my long winded post about Eli.

THIS TO ME IS PROBLEM #1

Rushing Offense 29th
Rushing TDís - 6, LAST, Ö.. Longest run, 25 yards - LAST
We canít make a 3rd & 1.
We canít run out the clock.
Eli canít play action, because nobody respects our running game.

Thanks Dave
RE: As usual many pick their favorites guys and then back into the logic  
mrvax : 4/16/2017 11:07 am : link
In comment 13430070 Bob in Newburgh said:
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Whoever we pick, is only going to start at LT in 2017 if an injury knocks out Flowers...

It should be clear to those with half or more of a brain, that it is highly unlikely that Justin Pugh is a Giant in 2018.

Lamp covers many version of oline Plan A, B, C.


I agree and think Pugh will fetch $10M per from some team based on Oline numbers in this F/A period. Considering Richburg & Fluker aren't signed beyond 2017 we will need to grab a couple Oline guys this draft.
Agree RE: Lamp. Also Mayock's favorite player in draft.  
area junc : 4/16/2017 3:55 pm : link
Forget Rambo's injuries - just football. I have no idea how you could watch both these guys play and prefer Ram. He reminds me of Seubert in his style of play and I dont say that lightly as Richie is one of my all-time favorites.
Arm length is important at OT  
TD : 4/17/2017 12:03 am : link
It's notabout thick sets or distance from spine, etc., it's about who gets who's hands on whom first and who can get the other player off their center and get off/stay on a block in space. There's a reason why teams like long-armed OTs and DEs.

Pugh is a great example. He has a chance to be a good guard in this league but not so much a good OT. I like Lamp but I don't like the thought of a first round OG or taking him ahead of some of the other talents projected to go at 23.

Give me Lamp, or give me death!  
jeff57 : 4/17/2017 8:26 am : link
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RE: Arm length is important at OT  
jeff57 : 4/17/2017 8:28 am : link
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It's notabout thick sets or distance from spine, etc., it's about who gets who's hands on whom first and who can get the other player off their center and get off/stay on a block in space. There's a reason why teams like long-armed OTs and DEs.

Pugh is a great example. He has a chance to be a good guard in this league but not so much a good OT. I like Lamp but I don't like the thought of a first round OG or taking him ahead of some of the other talents projected to go at 23.

Pugh was good at tackle. He may not have made a top notch LT, but he was fine at RT. If Lamp is another Zach Martin, taking him at 23 would be a steal.
I am looking at Lamp as a guard in any case  
idiotsavant : 4/17/2017 8:47 am : link
resting on ten years of advocating that 'its well worth it to take guards early if the player is great'.

and adding in 'Macadoo Ball' and its requirements to our value consideration.

But, back to distance from your fulcrum / spine, Lamp appears wider set, thicker and broader than Pugh, therefor, arms would be more mitigated, obviously:

- if someone with that big of a base and that wide set generally (not top heavy, narrow hips, where they would need to stay 'set') twists or turns even slightly, that adds 4" no problem, if not more, to reach allowing the 'first touch' alluded to by a poster above, especially if they are otherwise quick-ish and have good balance.

A fluid athlete could do this no problems.

All that said, could Lamp be our best OT from day one? Possibly.

Would I still use him as a guard? Yes, sure;

If that helps add the sum of the parts of the line into the system generally here and therefore wins you more games, than yes. Again, overly heirachical thinking can be detrimental to the whole.
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