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NFT: North Korea's latest missile test fails.

Ten Ton Hammer : 4/15/2017 7:33 pm
Apparently they tried again a few hours ago. One day after a parade that would make even soviet russia stand up and applaud.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/04/15/asia/north-korea-missile-test/index.html

I saw the results online  
pjcas18 : 4/15/2017 7:35 pm : link
Yeah, I was wondering if they were going to do that or not  
Anakim : 4/15/2017 7:35 pm : link
With the fat kid's grandfather's birthday and everything and them having a massive parade. I figured there would be a missile parade to show their strength.


Whomp whomp whomp.
Somebody (ies) will not be  
section125 : 4/15/2017 7:36 pm : link
breathing by the morning....Grandfather would approve.
They also tested  
pjcas18 : 4/15/2017 7:36 pm : link
an rpg. didn't go well.

I've been told that prior footage  
pjcas18 : 4/15/2017 7:37 pm : link
is not real. this is the real video

It reminds me of the beginning  
UConn4523 : 4/15/2017 7:41 pm : link
of October Sky.
I read somewhere  
JoeMoney19 : 4/15/2017 7:48 pm : link
that the reason their missiles keep failing is because the NSA keeps hacking them and causing them to fail.
RE: I read somewhere  
Ten Ton Hammer : 4/15/2017 7:50 pm : link
In comment 13429852 JoeMoney19 said:
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that the reason their missiles keep failing is because the NSA keeps hacking them and causing them to fail.


I've heard that too, yeah
I wonder...  
manh george : 4/15/2017 8:08 pm : link
if the NSA is using science and stuff like that.
This  
JoeMoney19 : 4/15/2017 8:25 pm : link
is what I was referring to.
US cyber attacks may be bringing North Korean missiles down - ( New Window )
The weird thing  
Vanzetti : 4/15/2017 8:39 pm : link
Is he actually appears to be popular with his people. I know the public displays are staged but a lot of NKs have bought into what he is selling
RE: The weird thing  
UConn4523 : 4/15/2017 8:42 pm : link
In comment 13429879 Vanzetti said:
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Is he actually appears to be popular with his people. I know the public displays are staged but a lot of NKs have bought into what he is selling


They haven't known anything else, it's pure brainwashing. They love him because they have to and don't know any better.
RE: RE: The weird thing  
RC02XX : 4/15/2017 8:50 pm : link
In comment 13429881 UConn4523 said:
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In comment 13429879 Vanzetti said:


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Is he actually appears to be popular with his people. I know the public displays are staged but a lot of NKs have bought into what he is selling



They haven't known anything else, it's pure brainwashing. They love him because they have to and don't know any better.


This
And you're welcome, bitches...  
RC02XX : 4/15/2017 8:51 pm : link
...
RE: And you're welcome, bitches...  
ctc in ftmyers : 4/15/2017 9:03 pm : link
In comment 13429887 RC02XX said:
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Thank you Ronnie.

About time you did something in Maryland to earn that paycheck.
Did superspy Ron slip  
section125 : 4/15/2017 9:04 pm : link
into NK and undermine Great Leader's missile test?

You sneaky devil.
They have no choice but to love him.  
Crispino : 4/15/2017 9:15 pm : link
If you don't show the requisite love and reverence, your neighbors inform on you and you disappear.
I find it awesome that there's likely a handful of guys (and girls)  
mfsd : 4/15/2017 9:17 pm : link
who were nerdy dorks in class, but were the computer nerd types who stayed after in school to practice programming and play those very early computer games and went to their geeky computer clubs and stuff...and are now the NSA cyber-warfare bad asses causing this shit to happen.
Well msfd  
mrvax : 4/15/2017 9:33 pm : link
you don't have to be a geek/dork to be an excellent programmer or hacker. Heh heh heh.

Fvck N.K. There has never been a more brainwashed society.
RE: Well msfd  
mfsd : 4/15/2017 9:45 pm : link
In comment 13429926 mrvax said:
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you don't have to be a geek/dork to be an excellent programmer or hacker. Heh heh heh.

Fvck N.K. There has never been a more brainwashed society.


of course not...just expressing my admiration for the people who pull this shit off.

And agreed...what a bizarre fucking country
RE: The weird thing  
LauderdaleMatty : 4/15/2017 9:52 pm : link
In comment 13429879 Vanzetti said:
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Is he actually appears to be popular with his people. I know the public displays are staged but a lot of NKs have bought into what he is selling


Well not being enthusiastic about him usually means you love expectancy is up
Life expectancy  
LauderdaleMatty : 4/15/2017 9:53 pm : link
Not Love. Not over there.
There have been many countries and cultures  
ctc in ftmyers : 4/15/2017 9:54 pm : link
just as brainwashed throughout the course of history. NK holds no firsts in that aspect.
RE: There have been many countries and cultures  
Dunedin81 : 4/15/2017 9:57 pm : link
In comment 13429948 ctc in ftmyers said:
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just as brainwashed throughout the course of history. NK holds no firsts in that aspect.


On the scope technology affords the tyrants of today, and for as long as NK has done so? There are few parallels in history. Khmer Rouge and a few others rivaled for ruthlessness and brutality but the endurance sets NK apart.
I would like to believe NSA or USAF could  
section125 : 4/15/2017 10:13 pm : link
be causing the failures, but I think it is more likely they just don't have their shit together, yet. They have limited funds and resources.
RE: I would like to believe NSA or USAF could  
Jay in Toronto : 4/15/2017 10:59 pm : link
In comment 13429958 section125 said:
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be causing the failures, but I think it is more likely they just don't have their shit together, yet. They have limited funds and resources.



Thank Goodness!!
Don't gloat too much.  
81_Great_Dane : 4/16/2017 12:22 am : link
A couple of years ago I was hired to ghost-write the final memoir of one of the chief engineers on the creation of the original ICBMs. (He was still pretty sharp when I met him, when he was 102, but his health failed before the book was completed and he died last year. The manuscript went to his alma mater, to be kept with his papers, and won't be published.)

I asked him about the spectacular failures in the early stages of the missile program and the space program. He said they were not only to be expected, they are absolutely necessary if you're trying to advance quickly.

Given that, the spectacular failures of the North Korean program are more likely an indicator that they're pushing hard than that their program is failing.

I live in Los Angeles. He's specifically threatened to nuke L.A. I believe he means it.
RE: Don't gloat too much.  
J : 4/16/2017 2:54 am : link
In comment 13430000 81_Great_Dane said:
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A couple of years ago I was hired to ghost-write the final memoir of one of the chief engineers on the creation of the original ICBMs. (He was still pretty sharp when I met him, when he was 102, but his health failed before the book was completed and he died last year. The manuscript went to his alma mater, to be kept with his papers, and won't be published.)

I asked him about the spectacular failures in the early stages of the missile program and the space program. He said they were not only to be expected, they are absolutely necessary if you're trying to advance quickly.

Given that, the spectacular failures of the North Korean program are more likely an indicator that they're pushing hard than that their program is failing.

I live in Los Angeles. He's specifically threatened to nuke L.A. I believe he means it.


yeah, every attempt is a learning experience for them
Well  
mushroom : 4/16/2017 6:35 am : link
That crazy leader might not allow the scientists in charge to learn from their mistakes especially given all the attention focused on North Korea.
As for the love and  
mushroom : 4/16/2017 6:38 am : link
Admiration given to the nut job, I can't help but think of the Twilight zone episode where if you didn't please the little boy he would turn you into a jack in the box and send you out into the field
RE: As for the love and  
section125 : 4/16/2017 7:15 am : link
In comment 13430026 mushroom said:
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Admiration given to the nut job, I can't help but think of the Twilight zone episode where if you didn't please the little boy he would turn you into a jack in the box and send you out into the field


No that was Kim-il Sung and Twilight Zone merely adapted his story..
RE: Don't gloat too much.  
giants#1 : 4/16/2017 7:59 am : link
In comment 13430000 81_Great_Dane said:
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A couple of years ago I was hired to ghost-write the final memoir of one of the chief engineers on the creation of the original ICBMs. (He was still pretty sharp when I met him, when he was 102, but his health failed before the book was completed and he died last year. The manuscript went to his alma mater, to be kept with his papers, and won't be published.)

I asked him about the spectacular failures in the early stages of the missile program and the space program. He said they were not only to be expected, they are absolutely necessary if you're trying to advance quickly.

Given that, the spectacular failures of the North Korean program are more likely an indicator that they're pushing hard than that their program is failing.

I live in Los Angeles. He's specifically threatened to nuke L.A. I believe he means it.


That was in the 30s/40s when a room sized mainframe had as much computing power as a modern cell phone. The scientists/engineers working on the early ICBMs and rockets also had to invent math and/or physics just to model all of the forces and then largely computed everything (multi-variable calculus) by hand.

Nowadays, there are dozens (hundreds?) of books on the subject describing the trajectories required and advanced simulation tools that can basically model the entire process if you have the computing power. Even assuming North Korea just has 90s level computing power (doubtful as they are some of the 'best' hackers in the world), they would have a significant advantage over those early inventors of ICBMs.
RE: Don't gloat too much.  
bestt : 4/16/2017 9:01 am : link
In comment 13430000 81_Great_Dane said:
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A couple of years ago I was hired to ghost-write the final memoir of one of the chief engineers on the creation of the original ICBMs. (He was still pretty sharp when I met him, when he was 102, but his health failed before the book was completed and he died last year. The manuscript went to his alma mater, to be kept with his papers, and won't be published.)

I asked him about the spectacular failures in the early stages of the missile program and the space program. He said they were not only to be expected, they are absolutely necessary if you're trying to advance quickly.

Given that, the spectacular failures of the North Korean program are more likely an indicator that they're pushing hard than that their program is failing.

I live in Los Angeles. He's specifically threatened to nuke L.A. I believe he means it.
sounds like Si Ramo... I'm a TRW guy...
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Bill2 : 4/16/2017 9:09 am : link
Exactly right Giants#1
RE: .  
section125 : 4/16/2017 11:00 am : link
In comment 13430073 Bill2 said:
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Exactly right Giants#1


Happy Easter Bill2.

Looks like a classic Catch-22 here. The world can't let this maniacal bastid get ICBMs (or even intermediate range missiles) with nuke warheads. Then he'd hold the world hostage for whatever he wants. (Even China would be at his mercy)
But the only way to stop him is either eliminate him or drop so much ordinance on his missile sites that they are taken out in one shot. But he'd get a warning and would likely just let loose on Seoul and maybe Tokyo before he was eliminated, maybe even order a mass invasion of the South.
There seems to be no fail safe method to eliminate this growing danger. This guy makes the ranting Ayatollah's in Iran look benign.
I just cannot see placating this guy until one of his generals has had enough and takes him out or China somehow does the deed.

What is your thought process here?
I don't think the launch was ever  
NDMedics : 4/16/2017 12:56 pm : link
intended to succeed. It is defiance without consequences, he get's to wave his fist at everyone and still make it appear as if he intended to defy the world.
Hey Section125  
Bill2 : 4/16/2017 1:24 pm : link
Hope you are well
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Bill2 : 4/16/2017 1:42 pm : link
Dont know so pure speculation. I agree they are a less rational actor than Iran ( who has a core of elites who have something to lose and some control over their future that is not available in NK).

So I agree that the US and China have to deal with this in the next years. To be blunt, all that work China is putting into the South China Sea in order to capture sea floor oil into 2100 is more threatened by NK than the US.

Interestingly, China has proximity, but not the delivery accuracy required.

I think you saw two of the kinds of tools in the last two weeks.

Instinct as to the simulation exercise would be keep the lanes north of the DMZ clear with massive holes and pin point the key sites ( even though they will be close to population). Invade from North and South.

Now would that need to happen? Or would visibility to the end game transmitted by the Iranians or Pakistanis or Iraqis be enough? My guess could be that within 24 months that Brunei has a new walled compound for a retiree. Loves food.

Pure guess



our bombs work  
annexOPR : 4/16/2017 2:09 pm : link
wish this chubby little %&#* would just shut up and go away already ... they have no chance against the US in a full blown war.

they'd be a lot easier to laugh it if they weren't so insane
Can't expect top level scientific or engineering there  
TJ : 4/16/2017 4:01 pm : link
People who end up leading well run scientific and engineering efforts are people who have felt able to try things that might fail. When failure carries the risk of death following a temper tantrum from dear leader, it's hard to maintain the kind of work atmosphere necessary. Add the necessity to frame research to fit whatever nutty political or personality necessities are imposed from the top and it's even harder.

NK can't feed its own people or maintain its own infrastructure beyond the level necessary to maintain a potemkin village image. Hard to see how that can be true in so many other areas of national life and not also be true in the case of sophisticated military technology. The possibility NK could drop something on Japan is there. Even more likely is the real danger of attack or invasion of the south. But the biggest danger is millions of armed, starving NK population flooding south when dear leader falls or is eliminated and the nation fails completely.
RE: RE: Don't gloat too much.  
81_Great_Dane : 4/16/2017 4:08 pm : link
In comment 13430069 bestt said:
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In comment 13430000 81_Great_Dane said:


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A couple of years ago I was hired to ghost-write the final memoir of one of the chief engineers on the creation of the original ICBMs. (He was still pretty sharp when I met him, when he was 102, but his health failed before the book was completed and he died last year. The manuscript went to his alma mater, to be kept with his papers, and won't be published.)

I asked him about the spectacular failures in the early stages of the missile program and the space program. He said they were not only to be expected, they are absolutely necessary if you're trying to advance quickly.

Given that, the spectacular failures of the North Korean program are more likely an indicator that they're pushing hard than that their program is failing.

I live in Los Angeles. He's specifically threatened to nuke L.A. I believe he means it.

sounds like Si Ramo... I'm a TRW guy...
Correct. Si was a good guy. I was probably the last friend he ever made.
not laughing  
Simms : 4/17/2017 8:25 am : link
They can only get better, and with that confidence. Confidence to do something reckless.

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