New York Mets
Curtis Granderson – CF
Neil Walker – 2B
Yoenis Céspedes – LF
Jay Bruce – RF
Lucas Duda – 1B
Travis d’Arnaud – C
José Reyes – SS
Wilmer Flores – 3B
Matt Harvey – RHP
Miami Marlins
Dee Gordon – 2B
J.T. Realmuto – C
Christian Yelich – CF
Giancarlo Stanton – RF
Justin Bour – 1B
Marcell Ozuna – LF
Derek Dietrich – 3B
Miguel Rojas – SS
Dan Straily – P
Easter edition. LGM!
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This team is no slouch. We did not take advantage of their bad starting pitching at all. Later in the game we are at such a disadvantage.
Ha ha ha ha ha ha. Sorry, what was I thinking. Obviously the Mets should look to reacquire Ruben Tejada.
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This team is no slouch. We did not take advantage of their bad starting pitching at all. Later in the game we are at such a disadvantage.
No doubt, but a good offense should tee off on their pitching. We've had ONE big inning in four games against this team and that was a 16 inning game. And you can't complain about the cold weather in Miami.
I hate the Marlins.
We have no one to play 3B.
I'm also hopeful those who don't appreciate that he's 1 of the top closers in the game will now realize how central he's been to this team's success and that he's basically as close to perfect as relievers get. He's appeared in 154 games the past 2 years, saved 94 of them, and lost just 6 - it's not hard to make the case that he's the most irreplaceable player on this team. His absence has probably cost this team 2 or 3 wins already.
He certainly hasn't trusted Smoker enough who was great today again. He should have been getting more late inning work earlier. Either way, it's still only what 11 games? The bullpen is definitely overworked and two guys who have been great let up some runs over the last two days but nobody's going to be perfect all year. We need a day off tomorrow. Everybody needs some rest.
Edgin, Montero, and Gilmartin need to be gone but they shouldn't be part of our 7 anyway. 2 of those 3 will be gone by Thursday.
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they lost basically to 3 walk-offs in a row. Tons of bullpen usage early on as I think Collins is trying to be careful with the SP out of the starting gate and thus relying heavily on the BP. He needs to trust some other guys too in the middle innings.
He certainly hasn't trusted Smoker enough who was great today again. He should have been getting more late inning work earlier. Either way, it's still only what 11 games? The bullpen is definitely overworked and two guys who have been great let up some runs over the last two days but nobody's going to be perfect all year. We need a day off tomorrow. Everybody needs some rest.
Edgin, Montero, and Gilmartin need to be gone but they shouldn't be part of our 7 anyway. 2 of those 3 will be gone by Thursday.
I'm not sure they have a guy like Buddy Carlyle or Carlos Torres or even a Jim Henderson, guys who can look good for a number of consecutive outings.
Of course. It's super early. The team isnt fully hitting yet. I dont like the lineup configuration. Our rotation has been good for the most part and so has the pen. Im hearing Sandy was pissed after last night's game. Some of the beats have mentioned it and Im hearing rumbles on MMO they are having a staff meeting tomorrow. Could be a mini shake-up with lineup or something but who knows.
We have...
Jeurys Familia (top 3-4 closer in baseball the last couple of seasons)
Addison Reed- In conversation for best SU man in baseball last year
Fernando Salas -solid middle reliever /closing experience/has been great as a Met
Josh Smoker - Former first round pick with great stuff who dominated in the minors with us who has performed in Vegas and is now performing in the majors
Jerry Blevins- Best LOOGY in baseball
Hansel Robles - Top 50 reliever in baseball. Can be up and down but is just as good as a "Blanton" and is ten years younger and throws hard
That's 6 guys. Add a long man or Sewald or whoever. No reason the pen should be anything but excellent this season and looking at the rotation/lineup our annual tradeline addition is likely ANOTHER reliever.
The answer is a dominant closer. That's what people want. They want a three headed monster because the Yankees did it. It's just not realistic. Holland would have been nice but was he really coming here to be our 7th inning guy? I doubt it.
We know our lineup is hot and cold, but it's still tough to take the offense struggling so much against mediocre pitching. I know the numbers aren't there (terrible actually in 2017) and I'm a Flores homer but he's getting together nice ABs and getting good contact off of RHP. It's not time to give up on Reyes yet, but let's not give up on Flores vs RHP yet either.
it's just a general approach for shortening games with reliable arms. Giving guys roles and having other reliable options if someone is not available.
Look at last year, the two biggest deadline acquisitions were Chapman and Miller, and where did the Cubs and Indians end up?
I think it's a different way of approaching games, made necessary by today's pitchers and injuries and limits and roles, and the way the game is managed.
And Chapman was available for cash.
I also suggested lesser options like Papelbon or trading for Robertson. Which I believe would help the current pen, especially in the playoffs.
and I still think it's something the Mets should do.
Can they win without doing it? Probably, but I think it would help their chances.
The Conforto thing really bugs me for some reason. Granderson has had a nice career. And he's done well for the Mets. But at this point, Conforto is the better player in the field and at the plate, and I don't think it's particularly close. Conforto will struggle also, but we need to let the kid play and figure it out.
Granderson is an older player that really shouldn't be your starting option. I'm not saying he needs to be benched, but he certainly should be losing ABs to Conforto at this point.
Reyes is just a turd. He should take a page out of Dee Gordon's and Christian Yelichs playbook and swing for hits, not HRs. Just make contact and get on base. That's your game. Not trying to hit 500 foot HRs.
and the names can be interchangeable.
Both the Cubs and Indians had closers (with varying degrees of success/competence), but it's the approach, more than the names.
I mean if you had Chapman, Familia, and Reed at the back of your pen, how can anyone argue it's a bad thing?
And with Familia's playoff profile I'd like a guy like Chapman back there too even if someone isn't thrilled with being an 8th inning guy vs closer.
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You no doubt would like to get Conforto, Flores, and others involved more but it's also way too early to give up on Reyes, Granderson, and others.
The Conforto thing really bugs me for some reason. Granderson has had a nice career. And he's done well for the Mets. But at this point, Conforto is the better player in the field and at the plate, and I don't think it's particularly close. Conforto will struggle also, but we need to let the kid play and figure it out.
Granderson is an older player that really shouldn't be your starting option. I'm not saying he needs to be benched, but he certainly should be losing ABs to Conforto at this point.
Reyes is just a turd. He should take a page out of Dee Gordon's and Christian Yelichs playbook and swing for hits, not HRs. Just make contact and get on base. That's your game. Not trying to hit 500 foot HRs.
Yeah I don't know what the solution is. I had hoped Granderson would be slowly phased out this year and Bruce might be traded eventually. I kind of wanted Conforto to take over RF with maybe Nimmo getting some time with Lagares in CF and all over. I was hoping TJ might get more of a chance and maybe somebody like Cheech would too eventually. I know you probably grimace every time I say it but I really think it's too early right now. Need to let things play out a little more.
and the names can be interchangeable.
Both the Cubs and Indians had closers (with varying degrees of success/competence), but it's the approach, more than the names.
I mean if you had Chapman, Familia, and Reed at the back of your pen, how can anyone argue it's a bad thing?
And with Familia's playoff profile I'd like a guy like Chapman back there too even if someone isn't thrilled with being an 8th inning guy vs closer.
Well that's your weird perception then. He was a 100% a closer before coming to the Mets and is now a better pitcher than he ever was. He has over 100 saves and was one of the best relievers in baseball last year. He's also 4 times the pitcher Salas is (who is really just a solid middle relief vet).
He lost his closer job in Arizona and was acquired by a Mets team (for a bag of balls) that already had a closer and had a whopping 2 saves with the Mets before having to fill in for a suspended Familia.
whatever, not going to discuss this any more with you.
That being said, Curtis will likely get hot at some point. But overall, Conforto is best for the team. If Curtis is a great a teammate and overall dude as everyone says, I doubt he would make waves.
Plus he can DH.
Plus he can DH.
Do you actually know what happened to Kelly last year? I don't watch the Red Sox that much. His walks seemed to skyrocket uncharacteristically?
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for Joe Kelly. Red Sox near the bottom in HR's (that won't last) and Bruce has a swing tailor made for Fenway.
Plus he can DH.
Do you actually know what happened to Kelly last year? I don't watch the Red Sox that much. His walks seemed to skyrocket uncharacteristically?
No, but he was used out of the pen for the first time in his major league career, so maybe there was an adjustment.
He's been effective so far this year in SSS, but not missing bats. Velocity seems to be there so far.
Kelly is a guy IMO with the kind of stuff (like Reed) who Warthen can "cure".
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for Joe Kelly. Red Sox near the bottom in HR's (that won't last) and Bruce has a swing tailor made for Fenway.
Plus he can DH.
Do you actually know what happened to Kelly last year? I don't watch the Red Sox that much. His walks seemed to skyrocket uncharacteristically?
No, but he was used out of the pen for the first time in his major league career, so maybe there was an adjustment.
He's been effective so far this year in SSS, but not missing bats. Velocity seems to be there so far.
Kelly is a guy IMO with the kind of stuff (like Reed) who Warthen can "cure".
Sorry, not first time in his career out of the pen, first time in a few years.
Seth Lugo will begin his throwing program tomorrow after two weeks of rest, per a source. Will start from 60 feet.
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