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NFT: Mets at Marlins Game 4 Harvey Day

ZGiants98 : 4/16/2017 11:37 am
New York Mets

Curtis Granderson – CF
Neil Walker – 2B
Yoenis Céspedes – LF
Jay Bruce – RF
Lucas Duda – 1B
Travis d’Arnaud – C
José Reyes – SS
Wilmer Flores – 3B
Matt Harvey – RHP
Miami Marlins

Dee Gordon – 2B
J.T. Realmuto – C
Christian Yelich – CF
Giancarlo Stanton – RF
Justin Bour – 1B
Marcell Ozuna – LF
Derek Dietrich – 3B
Miguel Rojas – SS
Dan Straily – P

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MMO Minor league recap  
ZGiants98 : 4/16/2017 11:39 am : link
Las Vegas 51s (5-5) 4, Sacramento River Cats (5-4) 1 Box Score

Gavin Cecchini 2B: 1 for 4, Run, K
Matt Reynolds LF: 2 for 4, 2 Runs,
Amed Rosario SS: 1 for 3, Run, RBI, 2 K
Dominic Smith 1B: 0 for 3, BB, K
Reynolds continues his hot hitting but he is still striking out a considerable amount. He has also continued to play left field prominently and recorded his second OF assist. After a slow start, Cecchini appears to have come around while playing solid defense at second base. Smith has managed to get on base in all but one game this season.

RHP Wilfredo Boscan (0-0, 0.00 ERA): 4 IP, 5 H, 2 BB, 5 K
RHP Kevin McGowan (1-0, 1.29 ERA): 2 IP, 2 H, 3 K
RHP Ben Rowen (0-0, 16.62 ERA): 1 IP, H, K
RHP Cory Burns (0-0, 5.40 ERA): 0.2 IP, H, 2 BB, 2 K
RHP Paul Sewald (0-0, 2.70 ERA): 1.1 IP, 2 H, 1 ER, K
The pitching was very impressive for the 51s, especially given that it was in Las Vegas. As a staff, they combined to strike out 12. McGowan recorded the win last night while Sewald picked up the save. Rowen bounced back with a scoreless inning after struggling his last few times out.

Erie Seawolves (6-3) 5, Binghamton Rumble Ponies (4-5) 1 Box Score

Luis Guillorme SS: 2 for 4
L.J. Mazzilli 2B: 1 for 4, K
Matt Oberste 1B: 2 for 3, Run, 2B, BB, K
David Thompson 3B: 0 for 3, RBI
Not much offense for Binghamton in last night’s loss. Luis Guillorme continues hitting and has recorded a hit in 8 of the first 9 games this season. He is hitting .424/.500/.515 so far this season. Top catching prospect, Tomas Nido, has struggled thus far for Binghamton. His current slash line is .174/.240/.304.

RHP Casey Delgado (0-2, 10.13 ERA): 3 IP, 7 H, 5 R, 4 ER, 2 BB, 3 K
LHP Ben Griset (1-0, 3.86 ERA): 3 IP, H, 3 BB
RHP Scarlyn Reyes (0-0, 0.00 ERA): 1 IP
RHP Tim Peterson (0-0, 0.00 ERA): 1 IP, H
RHP Corey Taylor (0-1, 5.40 ERA): 1 IP, 2 K
Delgado has struggled in his two starts thus far. He is still looking to gain his footing in AA after struggling in his stint last season. Taylor had a solid outing after giving up runs in his previous two.

St. Lucie Mets (5-5) 9, Florida Fire Frogs 5 Box Score

Wuilmer Becerra DH: 0 for 5, 3 K
Jhoan Urena 3B: 3 for 4, 3 Runs, 2B, HR, RBI
J.C. Rodriguez SS: 3 for 4, 3 Runs, 1 2B, 3 RBI
Jeffrey Diehl LF: 2 for 3, Run, 2B, HR, 4 RBI
Wuilmer Becerra went hitless for the first time all season. He also struck out three times for the St. Lucie Mets. Jhoan Urena is now slashing .342/.419/.500 following his big game Saturday.

RHP Nabil Crismatt (1-0, 2.25 ERA): 6 IP, 3 H, 2 R, ER, 2 BB, 5 K
RHP Jeurys Familia (0-0, 0.00 ERA): 1 IP, K
RHP Johnny Magliozzi (0-0, 3.86 ERA): 2 IP, 4 H, 3 R, 3 ER, 2 K
Crismatt was very impressive over 6 innings yesterday after a great 2016 campaign. Familia began his rehab last night and only required 8 pitches, 6 of which were strikes, to set aside his opponents. He is eligible to return this Thursday.

Columbia Fireflies (7-3) 1, Augusta GreenJackets (2-8) 0 Box Score

Desmond Lindsay CF: 0 for 3, K
Dash Winningham 1B: 1 for 4, Run, 2 K
Tim Tebow LF: 0 for 3, RBI
The offense only manufactured only one run on four hits in this game. This is the second game in a row they only had four hits. Desmond Lindsay left early for Columbia after getting hit high by a pitch.

RHP Merandy Gonzalez (2-0, 0.00 ERA): 7.2 IP, 4 H, 5 K
RHP Cameron Griffin (0-0, 2.08 ERA): 1.1 IP, K
Merandy Gonzalez was masterful for the Fireflies. He only threw 91 pitches over his 7.2 innings scoreless innings. He has yet to allow a run this season. Griffin finished up the game and recorded the save.
Im pretty sure...  
ZGiants98 : 4/16/2017 11:40 am : link
Boscan could be a backend starter depth right now. He keeps owning AAA.
Z - Phenomenal job!!!!  
Shecky : 4/16/2017 12:00 pm : link
Wow, you took what Dan does so well, and added a twist with the commentary, very well done!!!!
RE: Z - Phenomenal job!!!!  
ZGiants98 : 4/16/2017 12:20 pm : link
In comment 13430185 Shecky said:
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Wow, you took what Dan does so well, and added a twist with the commentary, very well done!!!!


I cant take credit Shecky. Although I am still a writer on MMO and am doing game recaps this minor league recap isn't mine. I was only sharing since Dan doesn't normally do minor league stuff on the weekend and thought others might like to know what happened yesterday.
Can't drop all three games  
Rflairr : 4/16/2017 12:53 pm : link
Noah, Jacob, and Harvey pitch
The Marlins could be the absolute worst team in baseball and they'd  
PhiPsi125 : 4/16/2017 2:21 pm : link
still be the last team I'd want the Mets to face in a game that means anything.
Looks like another season of letting mediocre pitchers  
PhiPsi125 : 4/16/2017 2:29 pm : link
continually take no hitters into the 5th and 6th innings. Our offense is still so inconsistent and maddening. Hopefully we can get a few across the plate.

And Reyes needs to sit. For like a week.
Mets must have been partying in Miami last night...  
ZGiants98 : 4/16/2017 2:56 pm : link
lol. They are FLAT. Nice to see Harvey pitch well against a good lineup though.
This team is so frustrationg  
Chris L. : 4/16/2017 2:56 pm : link
I watch this game and I ask why the hell is Granderson playing and then I remember Collins is our manager. My one through 3 pitchers each have an era under 3 and after nine starts they have two wins between them all while I am leading the league in HR's. That is difficult to do!
Eh, it's has nothing to do with being flat or partying...this is just  
PhiPsi125 : 4/16/2017 3:11 pm : link
who they are. A very inconsistent offense. And I fear that their shortcomings on offense will be amplified by this moronic philosophy about hitting everything in the air.

Any team can look like mashers at Citizens Bank Park. We are about to be swept in four games by the Marlins and their unimpressive pitching staff. That says it all.
We aren't about to get swept.  
ZGiants98 : 4/16/2017 3:16 pm : link
We won game 1. The last two games went down to the wire and we fought hard to come back and take the lead last night before Collins let the air out of our sails. It's still early in the season and many of our players arent hitting yet. I thought we had warmed up in Philly but some guys are still lost (cough... cough... Reyes).

We had a long 14 inning affair (that we won) and last night we had the game won and we were left shocked and dejected after we blew it. Partying or not, Im not surprised they are flat today.
Smoker with another  
ZGiants98 : 4/16/2017 3:20 pm : link
impressive performance...
Met lineup  
XBRONX : 4/16/2017 3:25 pm : link
sucks. Going to get no hit by garbage
Lol, you are right we did win game one. Been away for a few days.  
PhiPsi125 : 4/16/2017 3:33 pm : link
However, we went through this same back and forth last year.

"It's still early"
"Players can't stay cold forever"
"Wait for the weather to get warmer"

I'm not so much bashing the team but just realistic on who they are. Low AVG, low OPB and a manager who is anti every strategy that creates offense. Thus, we need to rely on the homerun...which sucks.

They will get hot eventually. Win a bunch of games, and then the bats will disappear for a long stretch. I was really hoping to see some change to invoke some more consistency but no such luck. What are you going to do?

Their starting pitchers will ensure that they are over .500 but they will be fighting their offense all season.
I have disliked Long from the beginning  
Chris L. : 4/16/2017 3:38 pm : link
with the pitching we have all you need to do is put the bat on the ball. Instead we have a coach who preaches pull and upper cut swings. You can tell in the broadcasts Keith can't stand the approach. Yet another way coaching brings this team down.
If these guys were all hitting up to their career averages  
ZGiants98 : 4/16/2017 3:43 pm : link
and just disappeared for a game or two Id agree more but that's not the case right now. A bunch of guys just aren't there yet. April is a weird month. They have sayings about it. lol. It takes a little bit for guys to get in a rhythm.

I also think we seem to magnify shutouts and act like they only happen to us. It happens. To every team. The best offenses in baseball get shutout, sometimes multiple times a month. We scored 4 runs last night, even with guys not performing up to their standards. We'll be fine.
i hate playing the Marlins  
CMicks3110 : 4/16/2017 3:43 pm : link
and our offense is so f'ing frustrating.
Funny... the one guy  
ZGiants98 : 4/16/2017 3:46 pm : link
everyone is dreaming the Mets never gave away, who Long is 100% responsible for turning into an MVP candidate, is Daniel Murphy. Sandy's first 4 drafts, he went for high contact, high average guys in the first round with not much pop (Conforto being the exception but he was thought to be more a 20 HR guy at first).

I dont think there is a certain style per se. Its the players we got and most of them are good, they just happen to be power hitters.
"It's early." "It's only April." These are only excuses you hear  
PhiPsi125 : 4/16/2017 3:50 pm : link
when the team isn't playing well. We crushed April last season. Wasn't an issue last year.

Yes, I know the Mets will be fine. They will be in the mix for the wild card, possibly the division. Again, I'm just talking about how this team is built, nothing else. I was just hoping to see some changes early on but no indication of that yet. Which is fine. At least I know what we have.

Reyes is absolutely killing this team. TC trotting him out there every day is mind boggling.
Would you pinch run for Flores here?  
PhiPsi125 : 4/16/2017 3:52 pm : link
.
Baseball is a streaky game...  
ZGiants98 : 4/16/2017 3:54 pm : link
Id love somebody to point out a lineup they'd prefer we emulate. I'd be happy to keep tabs on that lineup and point out how often they struggle or get shutout in a season.
RE: Would you pinch run for Flores here?  
PhiPsi125 : 4/16/2017 3:54 pm : link
In comment 13430334 PhiPsi125 said:
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Shit, he did. Don't know how I missed that one.

Way to go Cabrera!! Lol, baseball is a funny game.
TIE GAME  
ZGiants98 : 4/16/2017 3:54 pm : link
baby! My BBI just crashed. lol
DROOBS!!!!!  
GMenLTS : 4/16/2017 3:55 pm : link
!!
To be honest this series has been incredible  
ZGiants98 : 4/16/2017 3:56 pm : link
Every game has been crazy. Those effing Marlins.
RE: Baseball is a streaky game...  
PhiPsi125 : 4/16/2017 4:00 pm : link
In comment 13430336 ZGiants98 said:
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Id love somebody to point out a lineup they'd prefer we emulate. I'd be happy to keep tabs on that lineup and point out how often they struggle or get shutout in a season.


Listen, I don't think we are far off from each other but you have to admit that this team is a bit streakier than most other teams, right? We are totally feast or famine...there's no secret about that and our results last year confirm it. But again, nobody is exactly running away with anything so far so nothing to get crazy about. But this also isn't the type of team that will be able to rattle off an 8 or 10 game winning streak either. At least, I dont think so.
This team is going to be so much  
Chris L. : 4/16/2017 4:01 pm : link
better off next year WITHOUT Reyes, Granderson and Duda.
RE: RE: Baseball is a streaky game...  
ZGiants98 : 4/16/2017 4:03 pm : link
In comment 13430346 PhiPsi125 said:
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In comment 13430336 ZGiants98 said:


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Id love somebody to point out a lineup they'd prefer we emulate. I'd be happy to keep tabs on that lineup and point out how often they struggle or get shutout in a season.



Listen, I don't think we are far off from each other but you have to admit that this team is a bit streakier than most other teams, right? We are totally feast or famine...there's no secret about that and our results last year confirm it. But again, nobody is exactly running away with anything so far so nothing to get crazy about. But this also isn't the type of team that will be able to rattle off an 8 or 10 game winning streak either. At least, I dont think so.


I think we can and will if we can stay healthy but I appreciate your stance. Ideally not everyone is hot or cold at once when we get into the summer months. It's all good though.
Marlins legit have 5 all stars in their lineup  
CMicks3110 : 4/16/2017 4:05 pm : link
Stanton
Ozuna
Gordon
Realmuto
Yelich

This team is no slouch. We did not take advantage of their bad starting pitching at all. Later in the game we are at such a disadvantage.
he's  
JayBinQueens : 4/16/2017 4:07 pm : link
out!
Holy shit, what a play. I can't believe they sent Ozuna.  
PhiPsi125 : 4/16/2017 4:07 pm : link
Crazy.
Reyes replacement  
Keyser : 4/16/2017 4:08 pm : link
I have a radical idea to fill the black hole in the lineup that is Jose Reyes. They could just start Wilmer Flores at 3b everyday and see what happens ....

Ha ha ha ha ha ha. Sorry, what was I thinking. Obviously the Mets should look to reacquire Ruben Tejada.
BOOM  
GMenLTS : 4/16/2017 4:08 pm : link
CES DROOBS

OUT

what a stupid fucking send  
GMenLTS : 4/16/2017 4:09 pm : link
they had second and third with 1 out
granted  
GMenLTS : 4/16/2017 4:10 pm : link
it took two near perfect throws to get him out
unreal  
timintey : 4/16/2017 4:10 pm : link
sick of the Marlins. Get the hell out of here. On to the next series
and doesn't fucking matter  
GMenLTS : 4/16/2017 4:10 pm : link
lame
Wow.  
ZGiants98 : 4/16/2017 4:10 pm : link
Fuck the Marlins. Get the hell out of Miami.
RE: Marlins legit have 5 all stars in their lineup  
PhiPsi125 : 4/16/2017 4:10 pm : link
In comment 13430353 CMicks3110 said:
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Stanton
Ozuna
Gordon
Realmuto
Yelich

This team is no slouch. We did not take advantage of their bad starting pitching at all. Later in the game we are at such a disadvantage.


No doubt, but a good offense should tee off on their pitching. We've had ONE big inning in four games against this team and that was a 16 inning game. And you can't complain about the cold weather in Miami.

I hate the Marlins.
So far this season  
Mike in NY : 4/16/2017 4:12 pm : link
Reed has given up the first career HR to Brock Stassi and J.T. Biddle
Mets bullpen  
XBRONX : 4/16/2017 4:12 pm : link
has been trash this series. The starters give great efforts and get hung out to dry.
If you watch Granderson and Reyes at the plate  
Chris L. : 4/16/2017 4:14 pm : link
you can see they are not close to getting going. Both need to see the bench and lots of it.
Need more Conforto  
spike : 4/16/2017 5:17 pm : link
instead of Granderson.

We have no one to play 3B.
The bullpen is thin with Familia, without him it's bad & exhausted  
Eric on Li : 4/16/2017 10:22 pm : link
Thankfully there's only a few games left without him, hopefully at that point guys will be able to get some rest and slot into their more comfortable roles.

I'm also hopeful those who don't appreciate that he's 1 of the top closers in the game will now realize how central he's been to this team's success and that he's basically as close to perfect as relievers get. He's appeared in 154 games the past 2 years, saved 94 of them, and lost just 6 - it's not hard to make the case that he's the most irreplaceable player on this team. His absence has probably cost this team 2 or 3 wins already.
lol.  
ZGiants98 : 4/16/2017 11:18 pm : link
The bullpen is not thin with Familia....
After a 16 inning marathon,  
sshin05 : 4/16/2017 11:27 pm : link
they lost basically to 3 walk-offs in a row. Tons of bullpen usage early on as I think Collins is trying to be careful with the SP out of the starting gate and thus relying heavily on the BP. He needs to trust some other guys too in the middle innings.
And there is no way in all of holy fuck  
ZGiants98 : 4/16/2017 11:28 pm : link
Familia being out cost us 2 wins already. If you even remotely follow WAR at all you know that a closer is worth maybe 2 wins total for the entire season. And that's the absolute best of the best them. There are so many other factors involved. We have not had the lead in the 9th and blown a game yet since he's been out. Has the losses been on the hitters not hitting, our manager not managing, good players not performing, the wrong players not performing, or just damn good performances from our opponent. We will never know. Wake me when Reed blows a game in the 9th with a lead and MAYBE we'll talk (Familia blows games too).
RE: After a 16 inning marathon,  
ZGiants98 : 4/16/2017 11:33 pm : link
In comment 13430839 sshin05 said:
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they lost basically to 3 walk-offs in a row. Tons of bullpen usage early on as I think Collins is trying to be careful with the SP out of the starting gate and thus relying heavily on the BP. He needs to trust some other guys too in the middle innings.


He certainly hasn't trusted Smoker enough who was great today again. He should have been getting more late inning work earlier. Either way, it's still only what 11 games? The bullpen is definitely overworked and two guys who have been great let up some runs over the last two days but nobody's going to be perfect all year. We need a day off tomorrow. Everybody needs some rest.

Edgin, Montero, and Gilmartin need to be gone but they shouldn't be part of our 7 anyway. 2 of those 3 will be gone by Thursday.
Mets were in it  
sshin05 : 4/16/2017 11:35 pm : link
in every game. Just couldn't close the deal, its baseball, sometimes these things happen. Also, TC is trying to figure out the team and whats the best configuration. Monday is a badly needed day off.
RE: RE: After a 16 inning marathon,  
sshin05 : 4/16/2017 11:40 pm : link
In comment 13430845 ZGiants98 said:
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In comment 13430839 sshin05 said:


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they lost basically to 3 walk-offs in a row. Tons of bullpen usage early on as I think Collins is trying to be careful with the SP out of the starting gate and thus relying heavily on the BP. He needs to trust some other guys too in the middle innings.



He certainly hasn't trusted Smoker enough who was great today again. He should have been getting more late inning work earlier. Either way, it's still only what 11 games? The bullpen is definitely overworked and two guys who have been great let up some runs over the last two days but nobody's going to be perfect all year. We need a day off tomorrow. Everybody needs some rest.

Edgin, Montero, and Gilmartin need to be gone but they shouldn't be part of our 7 anyway. 2 of those 3 will be gone by Thursday.


I'm not sure they have a guy like Buddy Carlyle or Carlos Torres or even a Jim Henderson, guys who can look good for a number of consecutive outings.
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