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DanMetroMan : 4/17/2017 9:37 am

-Asked this the other day but who says no to Melo for Bosh's contract and the Heat's pick?

-Andrew Lynch of Fox Sports has a dumb 6 step plan to fixing the Knicks

Fire Phil
Snipe Ujiri (who he claims Dolan has wanted to hire before, which actually was a rare positive thing from Dolan), or Sam Hinkie
Keep Hornacek
Sign Chris Paul and keep Melo

Chris Paul is a first ballot HOFer but just silly. I'd LOVE to dump Phil for Ujiri but that's not happening, at least not this year.

-Berman claims the only reason Jackson hired Hornacek over Rambis was because the younger Hornacek would likely relate to players better... Hornacek is about to be 54, Rambis is 59. This story seems highly, highly unlikely.

-Berman The 18-year-old point guard Frank Ntilikina, who played in the French League for LNB Pro A and is a projected lottery pick, was videotaped working out in the Carmelo Anthony-owned gym in midtown Manhattan. The Knicks scouted the 6-5 prospect in France. Ntilikina should be around if the Knicks pick around sixth or seventh. Draft workouts can begin in late April.
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if the head euro scout and gaines are good with frank  
nygiants16 : 4/17/2017 9:56 am : link
so am i, also he is a jordan brand player that is why he was using the "melo" gym
I'd take that package over retaining Melo  
Deej : 4/17/2017 9:57 am : link
but it's an auction situation -- I'll take the best offer. It will be interesting to see if Melo is widely sought after or if we're just getting Austin Rivers type offers. I could see it going either way.
I  
DanMetroMan : 4/17/2017 10:00 am : link
still think Boston of the teams we most think of as possible is the best match. Clippers seemingly have absolutely nothing, I still have major doubts the Lakers are going to make a run at Melo, PG13 is likely their target (and I suspect they land him), CLE has nothing. I could come up with an "okay" deal with OKC but they too have a less than ideal pick situation (just our luck). Of course there are other teams (Heat etc) that we may not be considering that could jump into this.
Celtics  
ryanmkeane : 4/17/2017 10:04 am : link
game last night was essentially the reason why sometimes you have to pull the trigger on a trade. They got killed on the boards and lacked a true scorer other than IT.

Can't necessarily fault Ainge for staying pat if the offers weren't there, but man, how would Jimmy Butler look in green right now?
I view the celtics  
nygiants16 : 4/17/2017 10:07 am : link
as a very good regular season team but will never win anything with that core, they either better trade for a superstar or hit on their picks which they have not been good at..

Stevens is a hell of a coach for getting that team the 1 seed, they play hard and that gets them a long way in the regular season but you saw yesterday whem thomas is notnin they struggle to score
Would OKC trade Oladipo for Melo?  
Deej : 4/17/2017 10:10 am : link
I think he was a little disappointing there. I think he's never going to show what he can do as a regular offense SG. He's a guy who may thrive in the triangle. Could probably be a triangle PG. Very good defender.

VO and Frenchie could make a studly defensive back court. VO projected at triangle PG could free us up to use the pick on a SF without fearing that we have no guards.

My concern about Oladipo is that he doesnt seem to be getting any better. Shooting has gotten more efficient, but that's probably because of the attention Westbrook demands.
RE: Celtics  
giantsfan44ab : 4/17/2017 10:15 am : link
In comment 13431053 ryanmkeane said:
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game last night was essentially the reason why sometimes you have to pull the trigger on a trade. They got killed on the boards and lacked a true scorer other than IT.

Can't necessarily fault Ainge for staying pat if the offers weren't there, but man, how would Jimmy Butler look in green right now?


I heard one Boston fan say it best. He was worried that if the bulls started winning games the narrative would shift to that they should've made a trade to win. But he states that the goal isn't to beat Chicago, it is to beat Cleveland. I think Boston is very, very far away from beating Cleveland. I don't think Jimmy butler on his own would accomplish that.
Presti isn't trying to get older to win now  
giantsfan44ab : 4/17/2017 10:17 am : link
I don't know what move he's made recently indicates he would trade one of his top 3 players for someone 10 years older and not much better.

Similarly, Riley isn't dumb enough to think he's a Carmelo Anthony away from beating cleveland. Miami should be trading Whiteside and dragic, not picks.
Oladipo  
DanMetroMan : 4/17/2017 10:18 am : link
seems like the same player he was when he entered the league. I'd probably do it because I want to dump Melo but I wouldn't be overly enthusiastic regarding him being a difference maker of any kind. I think I'd prefer a deal where we landed Sabonis and Abrines. Maybe you take back shitty Singler and his contract.
I think the Thunder need to be very worried that  
Deej : 4/17/2017 10:19 am : link
Westbrook will opt out after next season, if it looks like his core going forward is Adams, Oladipo, Kanter, and Sabonis, and Abrines (and probably a grossly overpaid Robinson). It's not horrible, but it's not a title team.

Westbrook will be 30 the season after next, and with his game, he has a short window. Really, I could see him shopped next year -- Thunder cant afford to lose him for nothing too (the owner probably wont allow it for $$ reasons). If they're going to retain him, they're going to have to pursue another name player to take the scoring burden off of him. And they cant put together a package for prime stars like Butler.
RE: Presti isn't trying to get older to win now  
DanMetroMan : 4/17/2017 10:22 am : link
In comment 13431077 giantsfan44ab said:
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I don't know what move he's made recently indicates he would trade one of his top 3 players for someone 10 years older and not much better.

Similarly, Riley isn't dumb enough to think he's a Carmelo Anthony away from beating cleveland. Miami should be trading Whiteside and dragic, not picks.


I dunno Arison posted a picture of himself posing with Waiters/Johnson "Miami Heat future looks very bright" implying he's likely going to ante up for the 30 year old Johnson. Seems like they will add to their core vs. "rebuild". Would it really be nuts to see a Melo/Whiteside/Dragic/Johnson/Waiters/Tyler Johnson/Winslow core give a Cavs/Boston team some trouble?
Westbrook being shopped seems more likely  
giantsfan44ab : 4/17/2017 10:29 am : link
than trading a young piece for Melo. If you want a player like Melo why not just sign Rudy Gay to the MLE coming off knee surgery and seeing what he has? Don't think he's much worse than Melo at this point (probably a better defensive player than Melo simply because almost any win player is). Swapping oladipo for Melo is a lateral move that hurts long term prospects regardless of whether oladipo stays or leaves. Melo for kanter + say Grant or Abrines seems a much more plausible deal from OKCs perespective.

Does Melo  
Jon in NYC : 4/17/2017 10:30 am : link
approve a trade to Mia?

I would trade him straight up for the 14th pick and take someone like OG.

*Regardless of  
giantsfan44ab : 4/17/2017 10:30 am : link
Westbrook stays or leaves
RE: Does Melo  
DanMetroMan : 4/17/2017 10:32 am : link
In comment 13431102 Jon in NYC said:
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approve a trade to Mia?

I would trade him straight up for the 14th pick and take someone like OG.


Good question but if we are "exploring" other teams that might make sense you would think Miami, the weather, the city, how "close" they could potentially be from being a good team... I would guess Melo would be open to it.
Presti  
Deej : 4/17/2017 10:33 am : link
what's his plan then? Just let Westbrook get older (and possibly bolt) while doing what? To what end? If you get Melo it's a second scoring option they sorely lack. Then you try to turn Sabonis/Kanter/Abrines into another Boogie/Melo star-out-of-favor type during the season. Westbrook, Melo, Player X, and Adams is something to work with.

Melo aside, I could see them dumping VO or Kanter this offseason just for financial flexibility. They're already at $111 million and $110 million for the next two seasons -- i.e. capped out. That's losing Taj, Collison, and Roberson this offseason. That owner traded Harden to avoid the tax -- he's gonna pay a tax for those role players? No, and Russ will probably be pissed about losing that depth. Tax will kick in at ~$121 million next year.
Had never given Miami much consideration  
bceagle05 : 4/17/2017 10:34 am : link
as a landing spot for Melo, but it does make a lot of sense. Man, if we could snare Miami's draft pick, we'd really be cooking on a rebuild. All of a sudden I'd really be pissed at Robert Williams and Miles Bridges for staying in school.
RE: RE: Presti isn't trying to get older to win now  
giantsfan44ab : 4/17/2017 10:34 am : link
In comment 13431089 DanMetroMan said:
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I don't know what move he's made recently indicates he would trade one of his top 3 players for someone 10 years older and not much better.

Similarly, Riley isn't dumb enough to think he's a Carmelo Anthony away from beating cleveland. Miami should be trading Whiteside and dragic, not picks.



I dunno Arison posted a picture of himself posing with Waiters/Johnson "Miami Heat future looks very bright" implying he's likely going to ante up for the 30 year old Johnson. Seems like they will add to their core vs. "rebuild". Would it really be nuts to see a Melo/Whiteside/Dragic/Johnson/Waiters/Tyler Johnson/Winslow core give a Cavs/Boston team some trouble?


My point still stands I don't think Riley (not arison) is dumb enough to execute trading a lottery pick for melo. I mean just the way all of us talk about Melo, if he had 2-3 more years on his deal it would seem we would have to GIVE a first rounder to get him off the team. I'd imagine Riley is pretty pissed that his team missed the playoffs and was slotted #3 in the draft 2 months ago. Is there any worse situation? It seems like the best thing to come out of this is that Miami is loaded with starters/role players that could help playoff teams.
giantsfan  
ryanmkeane : 4/17/2017 10:35 am : link
agreed, however, Butler is 27, an all star defender and scorer. Just not many guys in the league like him that play at an extremely high level on both ends. I'm shocked the Celtics didn't offer their pick this year, especially since they also have the Nets 2018 pick.
Miami  
Jon in NYC : 4/17/2017 10:35 am : link
would be a really fun team with a Dragic/Melo/Whiteside core.

Miami  
DanMetroMan : 4/17/2017 10:35 am : link
went 30-11 over it's final 41 games. I understand they aren't Cleveland or SA but Whiteside/Melo/Dragic/James and Tyler Johnson/Winslow/Waiters/Richardson seems like a pretty good situation for Melo if the A+ options like Cleveland/Spurs/LAC aren't going to happen. Miami won 1 less game than the 6 seed, 2 less than the 5 seed.
The more I think  
ryanmkeane : 4/17/2017 10:37 am : link
..this current Celtics team could really challenge Cleveland in a 7 game series if they had Butler, and they'd get to the conference finals a lot easier as well.
I don't think it's a given  
Metnut : 4/17/2017 10:39 am : link
Chicago would trade Butler to BOS. They might upset Boston this year and wouldn't be a huge dog versus WSH in the 2nd round. Their ownership hasn't shown any appetite to rebuild since the Krause era.
RE: The more I think  
DanMetroMan : 4/17/2017 10:40 am : link
In comment 13431123 ryanmkeane said:
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..this current Celtics team could really challenge Cleveland in a 7 game series if they had Butler, and they'd get to the conference finals a lot easier as well.


I suspect the Knicks lurk in the weeds hoping a team that can't land Butler or PG13 settles for the inferior option in Melo.
RE: I don't think it's a given  
ryanmkeane : 4/17/2017 10:42 am : link
In comment 13431128 Metnut said:
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Chicago would trade Butler to BOS. They might upset Boston this year and wouldn't be a huge dog versus WSH in the 2nd round. Their ownership hasn't shown any appetite to rebuild since the Krause era.

That's a good point. Perhaps Butler wasn't going anywhere all along. Looks like a good move now that they are playing well.
Berman  
DanMetroMan : 4/17/2017 10:42 am : link
According to a source, Porzingis has been disillusioned for a while. He was opposed to the possibility of Kurt Rambis being hired permanently as head coach after last season, believing he wasn’t used correctly with the Jackson disciple at the helm. Now Rambis is rising in power as the triangle offense becomes king again.

The Vertical reported some players were “fuming’’ at Jackson’s triangle plans that perhaps will include another triangle camp similar to last offseason.

“They’re a mess,’’ one agent told The Post.

According to a source, Porzingis is fed up at how strangely the organization is run. Such dysfunction may include Jackson tweeting a derogatory remark about Anthony, his mentor. Porzingis has said repeatedly he doesn’t want Anthony traded. Another source said Porzingis doesn’t see how the team can be better without him and Anthony “takes the pressure off.’’

Jackson acknowledged the player unrest Friday, saying the changing pick-and-roll defensive strategies “became a push and pull between the coaches and players.’’ And in assessing Jeff Hornacek, Jackson said “a disconnect at times with this team, and rebelliousness created some of the discord during the year.’’
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The Bulls  
Jon in NYC : 4/17/2017 10:43 am : link
could also end up being a good trade partner for Melo.

Something like Portis, Valentine, fillers.
RE: Presti  
giantsfan44ab : 4/17/2017 10:43 am : link
In comment 13431113 Deej said:
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what's his plan then? Just let Westbrook get older (and possibly bolt) while doing what? To what end? If you get Melo it's a second scoring option they sorely lack. Then you try to turn Sabonis/Kanter/Abrines into another Boogie/Melo star-out-of-favor type during the season. Westbrook, Melo, Player X, and Adams is something to work with.

Melo aside, I could see them dumping VO or Kanter this offseason just for financial flexibility. They're already at $111 million and $110 million for the next two seasons -- i.e. capped out. That's losing Taj, Collison, and Roberson this offseason. That owner traded Harden to avoid the tax -- he's gonna pay a tax for those role players? No, and Russ will probably be pissed about losing that depth. Tax will kick in at ~$121 million next year.


That's why I think trading Russ is realistic. Do you really think deep down that swapping Dipo for Melo makes OKC tangibly better? I wouldn't take that team to beat Utah still, let alone Houston, let alone GS/CLE.

I think kanter is the more likely one to be moved because if we are talking about how OKC matches up against contenders, it's hard seeing him get more than 10-12 minutes a game in a playoff series against one, if that.

Would any Knicks fan really get pissy about Kanter, Grant and Abrines for Melo? Kanter has 2 years tops left, he's an expiring if he opts out.

Abrines and Grant get you 2-sub 25 pieces. You could get a nice young core of Frenchy/Fox, Abrines, Grant, KP, Willy, kanter. Let kanter walk when his contract ends. Grants a stud defender and his 3 point shot has improved. Abrines is a sharpshooter with good size for a 2. I'd signup.
I've always liked Portis' game.  
bceagle05 : 4/17/2017 10:44 am : link
In hindsight, it would've been nice to take him instead of Grant in the draft two years ago.
RE: giantsfan  
giantsfan44ab : 4/17/2017 10:46 am : link
In comment 13431118 ryanmkeane said:
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agreed, however, Butler is 27, an all star defender and scorer. Just not many guys in the league like him that play at an extremely high level on both ends. I'm shocked the Celtics didn't offer their pick this year, especially since they also have the Nets 2018 pick.


I would. The implications of landing that pick go far beyond just winning now. You get one of those PGs and suddenly you can trade thomas before giving him that 5 year $200M deal entering his 30s. Bradley (IMO bostons best player right now) will be looking at a similar deal and smart won't be cheap at all. Seems like the much better path compared to doubling down on this current roster and getting maxed out financially in the long run.
RE: Miami  
giantsfan44ab : 4/17/2017 10:48 am : link
In comment 13431119 Jon in NYC said:
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would be a really fun team with a Dragic/Melo/Whiteside core.


They would. So why not chase him when he becomes a FA rather than trading a lottery pick in a deep draft for an expiring 33 year old?
RE: I've always liked Portis' game.  
giantsfan44ab : 4/17/2017 10:49 am : link
In comment 13431149 bceagle05 said:
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In hindsight, it would've been nice to take him instead of Grant in the draft two years ago.


He's going to very good (offensively anyways). His comparison on draft net was greg Monroe but he looks much more like a wing player with good post skills on offense. He can handle a bit and shoot from range.
RE: RE: giantsfan  
ryanmkeane : 4/17/2017 10:50 am : link
In comment 13431155 giantsfan44ab said:
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agreed, however, Butler is 27, an all star defender and scorer. Just not many guys in the league like him that play at an extremely high level on both ends. I'm shocked the Celtics didn't offer their pick this year, especially since they also have the Nets 2018 pick.



I would. The implications of landing that pick go far beyond just winning now. You get one of those PGs and suddenly you can trade thomas before giving him that 5 year $200M deal entering his 30s. Bradley (IMO bostons best player right now) will be looking at a similar deal and smart won't be cheap at all. Seems like the much better path compared to doubling down on this current roster and getting maxed out financially in the long run.

Good point, I just think that as much as every team likes to say "we want to win a championship" most of the time it's just not realistic, and the Celtics should really just try and get as far as they can, with the current players they have, at the same time staying young and exciting. Grabbing Butler would have made them a legit contender for the finals.

Not getting him insured that they keep their picks, but who knows if the picks pan out? You have a sure thing in Butler or even George who was also in talks.

Again I can't fault Ainge for staying pat, but players like Butler and PG don't just grow on trees, and who knows if the guy they take in the draft this year pans out.
Basically my point is..  
ryanmkeane : 4/17/2017 10:53 am : link
you think that if the Celtics traded for Butler and the lost in the eastern conference finals - the fans would say "damnit, we didn't make the finals, should have stayed pat on that trade so we cna make the finals in 2-3 years instead"....no, I think they'd be amazingly happy with a team that is consistently good and made a move to go all in.
Chris Paul  
TyreeHelmet : 4/17/2017 10:55 am : link
There is no chance CP3 is coming to the Knicks. However, I just listened to Zach Lowe's Podcast with David Thorpe who mentioned that Chris Paul could be headed to the Spurs in the offseason. I know Woj has also mentioned this before. Talk about the rich getting richer....

As for Melo to Miami, I think it makes a lot of sense for both teams. Winslow has fallen a little out of favor in Miami but is a good young player for the Knicks to try to develop.

Jackson has butchered this entire Melo situation. Fans and the media may hate on Carmelo, but he is one of the most well liked and respected players around the league. And on the Knicks. Even if Phil wanted to trade him, he should have been working with him instead of taking shots at him and pissing him off.
Abrines  
DanMetroMan : 4/17/2017 10:56 am : link
seems interesting to me. Seems like a clear 1st round caliber talent (on shooting/size) alone. Shot 38% from 3, he's 6'6 WS/48 .095
I was in line for the bus  
ryanmkeane : 4/17/2017 10:58 am : link
yesterday and heard two relatively young Knicks fans just crushing Phil. Sigh. They really need to hit on their pick for him to get back into the good graces of the fans.
I think ainge's fascination with the pick is  
giantsfan44ab : 4/17/2017 10:58 am : link
seeing where it lands. Because I think there's a drastic difference if the pick ends up being #1 vs 4. If it's 4, maybe the trade it. Maybe the scouts talking to ainge are just as high on Fultz as the public is, or even more. I don't think that matters to Chicago as much. Chicago would probably act on a top 5 pick regardless of its standing.

There's also the Gordon Hayward aspect. If all Hayward costs is money you can get a player who is not quite Butler, but just one tier below and keep the pick. Seems like a healthy balance between ensuring a bright future and fielding a competitive team.
My 6 step plan  
Earl the goat : 4/17/2017 11:00 am : link
Keeping Phil. He will have a very good offseason
Trade Melo Get a player (Jordan Clarkson) and most importantly get salary cap relief
Hit a home run in this draft. Phil needs a talent like KP. I'm not opposed
To drafting Dean Collins from Gonzaga
Get Rambus the fuck out of here
Trade Lee and Oquinn for draft picks and more salary relief
Hope that Noah takes medical retirement and Knicks buy him out
Plenty of money for summer of 2018 FAs
Yes I think OKC is a lot better with  
Deej : 4/17/2017 11:03 am : link
Melo over Oladipo. I think Melo's efficiency explodes playing with someone like Westbrook. I also think OKC becomes a quasi-desination for a 3rd player. Whether that is Wade or Blake or someone else I dont know. But I could start convincing myself that they have a path to a title team before Westbrook breaks down. I dont see that path with the current roster.

Yes they should trade Kanter before Oladipo. But I dont know that many in the league would be excited about getting Kanter. There isnt much you can do to hide his defensive movement issues. It's the Okafor issue -- talented offensive big with zero defensive game is unplayable, especially if he isnt an elite rebounder.
You mean Zach Collins?  
giantsfan44ab : 4/17/2017 11:04 am : link
With the first round pick?

I'm going to need a 6 step plan to get out of depression if that happens.
Melo could be lethal  
bceagle05 : 4/17/2017 11:06 am : link
as a wing shooter playing off Dragic's pick and roll game. And defensively, he can survive as a small ball four with Whiteside at the five. It's really a good match from a personnel standpoint. Add in South Beach and the Riley/Spoelstra combo (which blows away Phil/Hornacek/Rambis), and you might be able to sell him.
Zach Collins  
DanMetroMan : 4/17/2017 11:07 am : link
at 6-7 would be a truly awful reach. I'd be sick in fact.
Melo's  
Jon in NYC : 4/17/2017 11:09 am : link
best position has always been as a stretch 4.

That's the role he played exclusively when the Knicks were a 2 seed. But they went away from it and never came back. No fucking clue why.
Getting cap space for 2018 seems like a bad move  
Deej : 4/17/2017 11:10 am : link
Who is signing here in 2018? If we are rebuilding, use the cap space to take on 1-2 year contracts that that teams want out of.
RE: Yes I think OKC is a lot better with  
giantsfan44ab : 4/17/2017 11:10 am : link
In comment 13431190 Deej said:
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Melo over Oladipo. I think Melo's efficiency explodes playing with someone like Westbrook. I also think OKC becomes a quasi-desination for a 3rd player. Whether that is Wade or Blake or someone else I dont know. But I could start convincing myself that they have a path to a title team before Westbrook breaks down. I dont see that path with the current roster.

Yes they should trade Kanter before Oladipo. But I dont know that many in the league would be excited about getting Kanter. There isnt much you can do to hide his defensive movement issues. It's the Okafor issue -- talented offensive big with zero defensive game is unplayable, especially if he isnt an elite rebounder.


It's not about just getting better. HOW much better would they get? They're capped out, not sure how much of a destination they are outside landing veteran min types. For some reason I don't think they remain a top 6 defensive team swapping oladipo for Melo. They're still a first round exit in my eyes.

Not many would get excited about kanter but I'd still do that deal in a heartbeat from a Knicks perspective. Kanter doesn't hurt anymore long term flexibility than keeping Melo would.
RE: Melo's  
Deej : 4/17/2017 11:11 am : link
In comment 13431205 Jon in NYC said:
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best position has always been as a stretch 4.

That's the role he played exclusively when the Knicks were a 2 seed. But they went away from it and never came back. No fucking clue why.


I've read that Melo really doesnt like playing the 4 defensively.
RE: RE: Yes I think OKC is a lot better with  
Deej : 4/17/2017 11:13 am : link
In comment 13431208 giantsfan44ab said:
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In comment 13431190 Deej said:


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Melo over Oladipo. I think Melo's efficiency explodes playing with someone like Westbrook. I also think OKC becomes a quasi-desination for a 3rd player. Whether that is Wade or Blake or someone else I dont know. But I could start convincing myself that they have a path to a title team before Westbrook breaks down. I dont see that path with the current roster.

Yes they should trade Kanter before Oladipo. But I dont know that many in the league would be excited about getting Kanter. There isnt much you can do to hide his defensive movement issues. It's the Okafor issue -- talented offensive big with zero defensive game is unplayable, especially if he isnt an elite rebounder.



It's not about just getting better. HOW much better would they get? They're capped out, not sure how much of a destination they are outside landing veteran min types. For some reason I don't think they remain a top 6 defensive team swapping oladipo for Melo. They're still a first round exit in my eyes.

Not many would get excited about kanter but I'd still do that deal in a heartbeat from a Knicks perspective. Kanter doesn't hurt anymore long term flexibility than keeping Melo would.


I think they would be a lot better. The need a 2nd guy who can make his own buckets. I think Melo's game gets a lot better as the #2 player, and with Adams out there. Is it a title team? Probably needs another star. But in the era of GSW having 2 top 5 players and 4 top 25 players, I think it is hard to have a title or bust mentality.
There's also the ripple effects  
giantsfan44ab : 4/17/2017 11:16 am : link
Having oladipo allows you to hide Westbrook on a shitty player on defense to conserve energy. You lose that by trading oladipo. In fact, now you have to find TWO players to hide defensively. I think that negates any offensive efficiency Melo provides (especially if he hates guarding 4s). So now Melo has to guard Durant/Draymond and Kawhi/Aldridge? That's not a winning recipe.
RE: RE: Melo's  
Jon in NYC : 4/17/2017 11:17 am : link
In comment 13431210 Deej said:
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best position has always been as a stretch 4.

That's the role he played exclusively when the Knicks were a 2 seed. But they went away from it and never came back. No fucking clue why.



I've read that Melo really doesnt like playing the 4 defensively.


Melo doesn't like defense period. I bet he doesn't like chasing around SFs either.
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