-Asked this the other day but who says no to Melo for Bosh's contract and the Heat's pick?
-Andrew Lynch of Fox Sports has a dumb 6 step plan to fixing the Knicks
Fire Phil
Snipe Ujiri (who he claims Dolan has wanted to hire before, which actually was a rare positive thing from Dolan), or Sam Hinkie
Keep Hornacek
Sign Chris Paul and keep Melo
Chris Paul is a first ballot HOFer but just silly. I'd LOVE to dump Phil for Ujiri but that's not happening, at least not this year.
-Berman claims the only reason Jackson hired Hornacek over Rambis was because the younger Hornacek would likely relate to players better... Hornacek is about to be 54, Rambis is 59. This story seems highly, highly unlikely.
-Berman The 18-year-old point guard Frank Ntilikina, who played in the French League for LNB Pro A and is a projected lottery pick, was videotaped working out in the Carmelo Anthony-owned gym in midtown Manhattan. The Knicks scouted the 6-5 prospect in France. Ntilikina should be around if the Knicks pick around sixth or seventh. Draft workouts can begin in late April.
Melo doesn't like defense period. I bet he doesn't like chasing around SFs either.
I think the idea is that he prefers doing a shitty job chasing 3s to bumping against 4s.
- He really likes Derrick Rose and sounds like he wants him back. Unless Rose finds a better situation, I can definitely see him coming back next year.
- Is Phil ever going to admit he was wrong or show any humility? I know the guy has an ego the size of Mars but his failure to learn and admit his mistakes is one of the biggest disappointments about his tenure in NY.
- Rambis isn't going anywhere. Those guys are tight and Rambis' wife is best friends with Jeannie Buss and has worked for the Lakers for a very long time.
- Phil said there were 12 players currently on the roster he can build on. I have no idea who those 12 are. He spoke about Baker like he was the next Pippen. His failure to self scout his own team is one of the biggest red flags about his executive abilities.
- Hornacek is spineless. To allow Jackson to interrupt his practices and essentially coach from the rafters is pathetic. Phil is the same guy who ran Jerry West out of his practices. This setup will never succeed. If Phil wants to run the triangle, then he needs to coach it.
Sorry had to get that off my chest.
The conundrum is that he's at his best with his ball in his hands but how good can your team be with him as the primary ball handler? It's like Waiters with Kyrie. Ideally he's a super 6th man, but his defense is good so you want him on the floor as much as possible.
Even given the poor fit, I don't think OKC should trade him (for Melo at least) but he would be a lot better with the Knicks because
A) Spacing would be better with KP playing one of the big spots
B) He can be the second primary ball handler. He's a solid 2 guard for those 2 PG sets Horny liked to run in Phoenix. You can run side pick and rolls and ideally the other PG would be a good shooter (Frenchy maybe).
There's just no chance of that happening with Westbrook at all.
Oladipo for Melo doesn't make sense straight up but would Melo, Lee, KOQ for Oladipo and Kanter do it? KOQ would be better off for OKC in the playoffs. Lee is a more natural fit off the ball with Westbrook and Melo and is a sharpshooter. Defense isn't much worse than Oladipo probably.
OKC would probably play much slower with those guys, but might give you an optimal mix of spacing without sacrificing defense. You can have Roberson guard the better wing player and lee guard the better guard.
So Melo, Lee, KOQ, Willy for oladipo, kanter, grant and Abrines?
I like Willy's long term potential more than Kanters, but I don't think enough so where I'd turn down turning 1 promising young player for potentially 3-4.
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So Melo, Lee, KOQ, Willy for oladipo, kanter, grant and Abrines?
I like Willy's long term potential more than Kanters, but I don't think enough so where I'd turn down turning 1 promising young player for potentially 3-4.
I don't think OKC would do that trade but even so if I'm the Knicks I would pass. Abrines and Grant aren't that intriguing to me and Oladipo is going to get maxed out. And I can't see Kanter/ KP being an effective pairing. Those lineups would be incredibly slow.
I'm not as high on Willy as most, but I'd roll the dice with him to see how he develops.
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Over the past 30 years, the only 3 players with 10+ points, 10+ rebounds, and 5+ blocks in a Final Four game are Danny Manning, Anthony Davis, and Zach Collins.
While 6-7 is a bit of a reach, he's an exceedingly talented player. People were cool with Robert Williams, yet Collins' per 40 numbers were across the board better. Collins would certainly improve the Knicks' defense.
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at 6-7 would be a truly awful reach. I'd be sick in fact.
Over the past 30 years, the only 3 players with 10+ points, 10+ rebounds, and 5+ blocks in a Final Four game are Danny Manning, Anthony Davis, and Zach Collins.
While 6-7 is a bit of a reach, he's an exceedingly talented player. People were cool with Robert Williams, yet Collins' per 40 numbers were across the board better. Collins would certainly improve the Knicks' defense.
If the Knicks end up drafting Zach Collins after this dumpster fire of a season, that would be a true disaster.
- He really likes Derrick Rose and sounds like he wants him back. Unless Rose finds a better situation, I can definitely see him coming back next year.
- Is Phil ever going to admit he was wrong or show any humility? I know the guy has an ego the size of Mars but his failure to learn and admit his mistakes is one of the biggest disappointments about his tenure in NY.
- Rambis isn't going anywhere. Those guys are tight and Rambis' wife is best friends with Jeannie Buss and has worked for the Lakers for a very long time.
- Phil said there were 12 players currently on the roster he can build on. I have no idea who those 12 are. He spoke about Baker like he was the next Pippen. His failure to self scout his own team is one of the biggest red flags about his executive abilities.
- Hornacek is spineless. To allow Jackson to interrupt his practices and essentially coach from the rafters is pathetic. Phil is the same guy who ran Jerry West out of his practices. This setup will never succeed. If Phil wants to run the triangle, then he needs to coach it.
Sorry had to get that off my chest.
He's "spineless"? It's pretty hard for Jeff Hornacek to puff up his chest and big time a guy with 13 rings out of his practices, even putting aside that Phil is his immediate boss.
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at 6-7 would be a truly awful reach. I'd be sick in fact.
Over the past 30 years, the only 3 players with 10+ points, 10+ rebounds, and 5+ blocks in a Final Four game are Danny Manning, Anthony Davis, and Zach Collins.
While 6-7 is a bit of a reach, he's an exceedingly talented player. People were cool with Robert Williams, yet Collins' per 40 numbers were across the board better. Collins would certainly improve the Knicks' defense.
Collins has almost no shot of being a star. At 6-7 you reach for a potential star. Notice NOBODY has Collins going top 6-7. I can't find a single source that has him going that high. Are they "all" wrong?
DX has him 10th
Nbadraft.net (admittedly a shitty site) has him 11th
ESPN/Ford has him 11th
CBS has him 13th
Bleacher Report 11
Tankathon 12th
Newsday 13th
NBA draft room 12th
NBA scouting live 13th
You may say "well 6 to 10-11 isnt a big deal". In the NBA is it. There are clear players considered superior prospects. That's an awful pick at 6 or 7 and that's the kind of "Phil Jackson reach" people are scared will happen. I actually looked for a source that had him top 10 and couldn't find even 1. That doesn't mean the player sucks. It means at 6th or 7th overall he'd be a major reach without the upside associated with a player being picked that high. I'm not letting a great final 4 game impact who the Knicks should take high in the draft, sorry.
He has a guaranteed $15 million contract. Tough to pity the guy for lack of job security.
At this point, I think anyone who takes a job in Knicksland is well aware that you could end up covered in shit on the way out. You take a job with the Knicks for money and because your wife wants to get out of 3rd rate cities. You dont do it to burnish your credentials.
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at 6-7 would be a truly awful reach. I'd be sick in fact.
Over the past 30 years, the only 3 players with 10+ points, 10+ rebounds, and 5+ blocks in a Final Four game are Danny Manning, Anthony Davis, and Zach Collins.
While 6-7 is a bit of a reach, he's an exceedingly talented player. People were cool with Robert Williams, yet Collins' per 40 numbers were across the board better. Collins would certainly improve the Knicks' defense.
If the Knicks end up drafting Zach Collins after this dumpster fire of a season, that would be a true disaster.
He was a McDonald's All-American who came off the bench his junior year in high school because 2 other McDonald's All-Americans started over him. One went to Duke and the other is on the Orlando Magic, yet Collins is better than both of them. Maybe you don't want him, but stop acting like he's a scrub.
Collins has almost no shot of being a star. At 6-7 you reach for a potential star. Notice NOBODY has Collins going top 6-7. I can't find a single source that has him going that high. Are they "all" wrong?
DX has him 10th
Nbadraft.net (admittedly a shitty site) has him 11th
ESPN/Ford has him 11th
CBS has him 13th
Bleacher Report 11
Tankathon 12th
Newsday 13th
NBA draft room 12th
NBA scouting live 13th
You may say "well 6 to 10-11 isnt a big deal". In the NBA is it. There are clear players considered superior prospects. That's an awful pick at 6 or 7 and that's the kind of "Phil Jackson reach" people are scared will happen. I actually looked for a source that had him top 10 and couldn't find even 1. That doesn't mean the player sucks. It means at 6th or 7th overall he'd be a major reach without the upside associated with a player being picked that high. I'm not letting a great final 4 game impact who the Knicks should take high in the draft, sorry.
No one has him going 6-7 because this is an unusually deep draft. Not being considered 6-7 in THIS draft is not an indictment of one's ability. He has almost no shot at being a star? Based on what? That's just ridiculous.
Like I said, the same people who were cool with Robert Williams being the Knicks' pick can't act like this would be a disaster.
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In comment 13431201 DanMetroMan said:
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at 6-7 would be a truly awful reach. I'd be sick in fact.
Over the past 30 years, the only 3 players with 10+ points, 10+ rebounds, and 5+ blocks in a Final Four game are Danny Manning, Anthony Davis, and Zach Collins.
While 6-7 is a bit of a reach, he's an exceedingly talented player. People were cool with Robert Williams, yet Collins' per 40 numbers were across the board better. Collins would certainly improve the Knicks' defense.
If the Knicks end up drafting Zach Collins after this dumpster fire of a season, that would be a true disaster.
He was a McDonald's All-American who came off the bench his junior year in high school because 2 other McDonald's All-Americans started over him. One went to Duke and the other is on the Orlando Magic, yet Collins is better than both of them. Maybe you don't want him, but stop acting like he's a scrub.
Fultz/ Ball/ Jackson/ Tatum/ Smith/ Fox and others were all Mcdonald's All Americans and I'm guessing didn't come off the bench in high school or college.
I'm not saying he's a scrub. But his ceiling is definitely limited compared to the top guys. He's also not a good fit on the Knicks.
If the prize for being one of the worst 6 teams in the NBA is Zach Collins, than yes that is a disaster.
At 6 or 7 the Knicks should have a shot at guys like Isaac, Smith, Fox. Collins has talent but allow me to pass on a thin kid who averaged... 0.4 assists. Not a typo.
At 6 or 7 the Knicks should have a shot at guys like Isaac, Smith, Fox. Collins has talent but allow me to pass on a thin kid who averaged... 0.4 assists. Not a typo.
taking collins at 6 or 7 will make me stop watching i think...
that would be absolutely awful
Smith concerns me too but I think workouts will really be a big deal this year. I think Fox, Frenchy, Smith could rise/fall (their order) based on how they look (and interview) with the Knicks.
If you trade down and add an asset I change my tune. Passing on guys like Isaac for him because of some "triangle fit" would really bum me out. In his case his lack of passing ability (at least this season) wouldn't suggest "obvious triangle player" just using him as an example.
DX has him 10th
Nbadraft.net (admittedly a shitty site) has him 11th
ESPN/Ford has him 11th
CBS has him 13th
Bleacher Report 11
Tankathon 12th
Newsday 13th
NBA draft room 12th
NBA scouting live 13th
I have no opinion on Collins. But it's somewhat absurd that any late lottery prospect is that consistently ranked. Suggests to me a herding mentality -- i.e. several of these sites are ranking guys based on consensus (basically, a soft plagarization of opinion).
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DX has him 10th
Nbadraft.net (admittedly a shitty site) has him 11th
ESPN/Ford has him 11th
CBS has him 13th
Bleacher Report 11
Tankathon 12th
Newsday 13th
NBA draft room 12th
NBA scouting live 13th
I have no opinion on Collins. But it's somewhat absurd that any late lottery prospect is that consistently ranked. Suggests to me a herding mentality -- i.e. several of these sites are ranking guys based on consensus (basically, a soft plagarization of opinion).
Deej,
If that's the case you would have expected him to "rocket" up these sites after his final 4 performance or at least 1 to "overrate" him based on it and yet I have't seen anything of the sort. Chad Ford in particular (at least claims) to talk to scouts and NBA people and he doesn't have him suddenly crazy high despite being a big who had a big freshman season.
Those standards are a little unfair though. CP3 is the best defensive point in the NBA and an unanamious hall of fame point guard. And Rose with a 3 point shot and a betterdefender/ borderiline top 10 PG sounds pretty appealing. I'm higher on Smith than most and could see him becoming an all star down the line.
I'd be very happy with the pick
But what if Davis wasnt forced to be the best player on his team? His Hornets teams were good for 41-47 wins with him, Mash, and Edlen Campbell/Jamal Magliore. His GSW teams won 42 and 48 games with him, Monte, and Captain Jack. What if Baron had been the PG for Dirk (read between the lines: KP)? Frankly, you tell me Smith is gonna be as good offensively as Baron was in his 20s, that is pretty tempting at 6/7.
Tony Bradley in the second round?
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With a 3 point shot and probably a better defender. Which could be a pretty good thing. I think he can be a borderline top 10 PG but I don't think he's a natural PG that elevates his teammates and size can limit his defensive upside. he has the tools but unlike say CP3 he hasn't shown to be a defensive presence yet. You can say anything you want about his coach and injury but that doesn't mean he's automatically going to become CP3 on defense in the NBA. I think fox, smith (and even Frenchy) should be more of a debate than it appears to be. I still might lean smith but I think it's almost a coin flip for me on fox vs smith. I'll give smith tails.
Those standards are a little unfair though. CP3 is the best defensive point in the NBA and an unanamious hall of fame point guard. And Rose with a 3 point shot and a betterdefender/ borderiline top 10 PG sounds pretty appealing. I'm higher on Smith than most and could see him becoming an all star down the line.
The CP3 comparison was that he's a peak example of an undersized guard being a great defender. He's the exception and not the rule at all. Also a longer wingspan by a fair amount.
Don't see how Isaac has no business here. He can start off at the 3 and play the 4 with KP at the 5. That duo in your frontcourt probably makes you more versatile on both ends than keeping Willy for 35-40 minutes at the 5.
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spoke to a friend of mine who is a writer and has had "info" before and he said a name to watch for with the Knicks is... Tony Bradley. Not at 6 or 7 obviously but he's heard Gaines is smitten.
Tony Bradley in the second round?
I was talking to him about the French kid (he confirmed the Knicks really like him) and I said I liked Swanigan as a late pick who will help someone and he said "want a random name I hear the Knicks love? Tony Bradley. Gaines loves him and the stats people love him. They don't think he will sign with an agent though. Maybe a 2018 name to watch".
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don't have any interest in Smith. I don't see how his ceiling is any better than someone like Baron Davis, who was a perennial best player on a bad/average team year in and year out.
But what if Davis wasnt forced to be the best player on his team? His Hornets teams were good for 41-47 wins with him, Mash, and Edlen Campbell/Jamal Magliore. His GSW teams won 42 and 48 games with him, Monte, and Captain Jack. What if Baron had been the PG for Dirk (read between the lines: KP)? Frankly, you tell me Smith is gonna be as good offensively as Baron was in his 20s, that is pretty tempting at 6/7.
I think that's probably his ceiling. But again, that whole crux of PGs, Marbury, Baron, Steve Francis, never won anything. Ball dominant non defense playing PGs don't have a great track record.
Good size at 6'10, 240 and a 7'4 wingspan. Was the third ranked C coming out of high school (in front of the aforementioned Zach Collins). Top offensive rebounder.
Certainly sounds like an intriguing project
Because he's actually a modern day NBA center. Isaac is a 3 who will eventually have to be a 4. Collins needs to put on weight, but he's hardly in a category with guys like Isaac and Ingram. When compared to the 9 players who can reasonably be expected to be picked ahead of him, Collins per 40 minute numbers were the BEST in shot blocking and rebounding. The only 2 guys with more points per 40 were Fultz and Monk. Even Collins' shooting percentages were terrific.
His only weaknesses are he needs to get stronger and his ball-handling. As a Knicks fan, I would draft 9 guys over him, but the idea that drafting Collins would be a "disaster" is asinine and disrespectful.
i am joining you, really intrugyed by frank
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I'm full on board the Frenchie bandwagon. Stating my claim here as bandwagon pioneer.
i am joining you, really intrugyed by frank
Now now, before we jump on Frank the French's bandwagon, let's see if we pick in the top 3 or not. Of course this is the Knicks and nothing ever goes our way but maybe Sexy Silver will rig the lottery for us.
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would make Collins more appealing than say Isaac if we were taking a thin big hoping to improve the defense?
Because he's actually a modern day NBA center. Isaac is a 3 who will eventually have to be a 4. Collins needs to put on weight, but he's hardly in a category with guys like Isaac and Ingram. When compared to the 9 players who can reasonably be expected to be picked ahead of him, Collins per 40 minute numbers were the BEST in shot blocking and rebounding. The only 2 guys with more points per 40 were Fultz and Monk. Even Collins' shooting percentages were terrific.
His only weaknesses are he needs to get stronger and his ball-handling. As a Knicks fan, I would draft 9 guys over him, but the idea that drafting Collins would be a "disaster" is asinine and disrespectful.
Why does Isaac "have" to be a 4? He was a guard in HS, he is more than capable of guarding 3s. He can play the 4, he can also probably play the 5 (better rebounder than KP). I don't see why he "has" to play any position. He's the most complete player projected to go outside the top 5.