-Asked this the other day but who says no to Melo for Bosh's contract and the Heat's pick?
-Andrew Lynch of Fox Sports has a dumb 6 step plan to fixing the Knicks
Fire Phil
Snipe Ujiri (who he claims Dolan has wanted to hire before, which actually was a rare positive thing from Dolan), or Sam Hinkie
Keep Hornacek
Sign Chris Paul and keep Melo
Chris Paul is a first ballot HOFer but just silly. I'd LOVE to dump Phil for Ujiri but that's not happening, at least not this year.
-Berman claims the only reason Jackson hired Hornacek over Rambis was because the younger Hornacek would likely relate to players better... Hornacek is about to be 54, Rambis is 59. This story seems highly, highly unlikely.
-Berman The 18-year-old point guard Frank Ntilikina, who played in the French League for LNB Pro A and is a projected lottery pick, was videotaped working out in the Carmelo Anthony-owned gym in midtown Manhattan. The Knicks scouted the 6-5 prospect in France. Ntilikina should be around if the Knicks pick around sixth or seventh. Draft workouts can begin in late April.
Any chance he falls for a package from Boston? Is there any scenario he gets traded? Unless its for a small select few players, I sure hope not.
Any chance he falls for a package from Boston? Is there any scenario he gets traded? Unless its for a small select few players, I sure hope not.
he never said he would trade porzingis or kp was not untouchable..
he basically said kp still has a lot of work to do befor he becomes "the guy" he said he would like him to stop settling for the 3 because he can get thay shot at any time..
he also said they listen to everything on evryone, never named kp specifically
plus frank can shoot the ball and playe either the 2 or 3
Any chance he falls for a package from Boston? Is there any scenario he gets traded? Unless its for a small select few players, I sure hope not.
I wouldn't call a player untouchable unless they are absolutely a top 10 player in the league already with no chance of leaving.
Obviously the value I'm expecting would be very high. Not many teams could put together a package I'd for sure consider.
For Boston, both BKN picks would have to be on the table for me and then probably Smart + Euros on top.
If MIN offered Lavine, their pick and Dunn? I'd have to put thought into that one.
Phoenix: This years pick + Chriss and Bender would probably do it for me.
Philly: So many picks, it would be hard to turn down if they were on the table. There are plenty of combinations I'd probably consider.
Probably not many more teams could put together that sort of package, but I'd never say its off the table entirely.
if soxers got lakers pick:
their 2 picks this year, okafor and a future pick, i would think about it
So we would get two of Doncic, Ayton and Porter Jr.?
That does sound intriguing
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Love to see what a KP trade that Knicks fans would be okay with would look like lol. Outside of some totally unrealistic deal for a superior young player (KAT) or a clearly lopsided deal where the Knicks get multiple young pieces (Simmons + Embiid) what would it even look like? I'm not too concerned because I just can't imagine it. It's possible Jackson was taking a little shot at KP but more likely he was just being Phil Jackson and "the team matters more than the player" etc
if soxers got lakers pick:
their 2 picks this year, okafor and a future pick, i would think about it
Hell, screw Okafor. How would Simmons, Saric, KP AND Embiid/Holmes even work out?
Give me Saric on top of the two picks and I say yes. Maybe throw in Oak for shits and giggles anyways, not much value with him.
A few other ones:
Sacrametno: Skal + their 2 first rounders would get it done for me I think.
Orlando: If they get a top 2-3 pick, that pick + Gordon, their late 1st and Hezonja.
LA: If they get their pick, that pick + Ingram and Randle I'd do.
Any team picking after 8 I don't think could put together a package I'd personally approve of.
Now now, before we jump on Frank the French's bandwagon, let's see if we pick in the top 3 or not. Of course this is the Knicks and nothing ever goes our way but maybe Sexy Silver will rig the lottery for us.
I will not give up on a top 3 pick until that card says otherwise. I wonder who will sit up there for the Knicks. The chances of Phil doing it are negative infinity to zero. It will probably be Steve Mills (ugh)... I'd let Pat Ewing do it.
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How about Jackson not declaring Porzingis untouchable? I thought that would get more attention. If he trades KP that its time to put Phil in the loony bin.
Any chance he falls for a package from Boston? Is there any scenario he gets traded? Unless its for a small select few players, I sure hope not.
he never said he would trade porzingis or kp was not untouchable..
he basically said kp still has a lot of work to do befor he becomes "the guy" he said he would like him to stop settling for the 3 because he can get thay shot at any time..
he also said they listen to everything on evryone, never named kp specifically
But in the past Jackson has made it clear that KP was untouchable. Now no one on the team is untouchable. He definitely meant what he said. And to be proud of him for not shooting a 3 in a game is just another of many examples of why Phil is a terrible executive.
A trade I would be okay with? I'll ignore the older established stars ( Lebron, Durant, Curry etc.) KAT and Giannis I would do immediately. Davis and Jokic I would most likely do.
Jimmy Butler straight up? I love Butler but probably not.
What about both of Boston's Brooklyn picks? That's a hard no from me. I think KP would go number 1 in this draft.
KP isn't one of the best players in the league yet, but his trade value may be top 10-15 in the league.
you do it?
Monk (?)
Saric
KP
Embiid
..and maybe another top five pick from the Lakers this year.
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How about Jackson not declaring Porzingis untouchable? I thought that would get more attention. If he trades KP that its time to put Phil in the loony bin.
Any chance he falls for a package from Boston? Is there any scenario he gets traded? Unless its for a small select few players, I sure hope not.
I wouldn't call a player untouchable unless they are absolutely a top 10 player in the league already with no chance of leaving.
Obviously the value I'm expecting would be very high. Not many teams could put together a package I'd for sure consider.
For Boston, both BKN picks would have to be on the table for me and then probably Smart + Euros on top.
If MIN offered Lavine, their pick and Dunn? I'd have to put thought into that one.
Phoenix: This years pick + Chriss and Bender would probably do it for me.
Philly: So many picks, it would be hard to turn down if they were on the table. There are plenty of combinations I'd probably consider.
Probably not many more teams could put together that sort of package, but I'd never say its off the table entirely.
Very surpised to hear you would take those Minny and Phoenix packages. I would hang up the phone for those offers.
you do it?
I prefer Randle to D-lo but not enough to make that a no for me. I think I would do that.
you do it?
I'd pass unless the Lakers were giving up a top 3 pick (Fultz, Jackson or Ball). If it were Melo and KP for Fultz/Jackson/Ball + Russell and Ingram I think you have to do it.
One of Fultz/Jackson/Ball, whoever the Knicks picked with their own pick, Ingram, Russell and Willy would be a pretty great way to begin a rebuild.
Why does Isaac "have" to be a 4? He was a guard in HS, he is more than capable of guarding 3s. He can play the 4, he can also probably play the 5 (better rebounder than KP). I don't see why he "has" to play any position. He's the most complete player projected to go outside the top 5.
I like Isaac a lot, so I'm not knocking him in any way. He certainly has the ball-handling skills and defensive ability to be a 3, but I just think he'll eventually outgrow that position as his body matures. However, I don't think he'll ever have the heft to consistently be a 5.
I prefer the Minnesota one to Phoenix. I think Lavine could thrive in a James Harden type role. If we are reasonably expecting KP to be a top 10 player in the league, I can see Lavine being a top 20-25 player.
Getting rid of Melo AND KP probably ensures a top 3 pick next year too.
ITA. The only one of these deals I would consider for even a second is a Philly one they probably wouldn't do involving Simmons.
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Why does Isaac "have" to be a 4? He was a guard in HS, he is more than capable of guarding 3s. He can play the 4, he can also probably play the 5 (better rebounder than KP). I don't see why he "has" to play any position. He's the most complete player projected to go outside the top 5.
I like Isaac a lot, so I'm not knocking him in any way. He certainly has the ball-handling skills and defensive ability to be a 3, but I just think he'll eventually outgrow that position as his body matures. However, I don't think he'll ever have the heft to consistently be a 5.
I think Isaac can be molded into a Draymond Green type. Obviously Draymond's strength and physicality are unmatched, but Isaac is a much more natural scorer/shooter and a better athlete. I can see him becoming a #3 option on a contender just based off that. It's hard imagining that for any of the PGs being talked about for the Knicsk.
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their pick this year, russell, ingram and deng for melo and kp
you do it?
I'd pass unless the Lakers were giving up a top 3 pick (Fultz, Jackson or Ball). If it were Melo and KP for Fultz/Jackson/Ball + Russell and Ingram I think you have to do it.
One of Fultz/Jackson/Ball, whoever the Knicks picked with their own pick, Ingram, Russell and Willy would be a pretty great way to begin a rebuild.
Well if the Lakers are giving their first in this draft it only could be a top 3 pick. They lose it to philly if its not.
this is a guy who is supposed to be the next leader of this franchise and he cant handle a little drama and a losing season? give me a fucking break...
eli manning was being talk about like a bust and being run out of town and he put it behind him and won a superbowl...
i know it is an unpopular opinion but kp really needs to man the fuck up
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don't have any interest in Smith. I don't see how his ceiling is any better than someone like Baron Davis, who was a perennial best player on a bad/average team year in and year out.
But what if Davis wasnt forced to be the best player on his team? His Hornets teams were good for 41-47 wins with him, Mash, and Edlen Campbell/Jamal Magliore. His GSW teams won 42 and 48 games with him, Monte, and Captain Jack. What if Baron had been the PG for Dirk (read between the lines: KP)? Frankly, you tell me Smith is gonna be as good offensively as Baron was in his 20s, that is pretty tempting at 6/7.
I think that's probably his ceiling. But again, that whole crux of PGs, Marbury, Baron, Steve Francis, never won anything. Ball dominant non defense playing PGs don't have a great track record.
Steph Curry. And save me the blog posts trying to argue that Steph is a great defender. He isnt. He did get better though. And if you're talking about guys who are not the best player on their team, Kyrie too.
Bigger picture, I think an underrated story is that Curry aside (and really he's an undersized 2 playing PG), the recent history of the NBA is that titles start with a great wing, not a great PG. Chris Paul cant even get anywhere. It's probably more important to be able to defend the 1 than to have a great PG.
Im not a big NCAA guy. How good/bad is Smith's defense?
What have I told you about listening to World B. Free?
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you'd have to why he couldn't play the 5 full time and cause havoc for every team in the league.
What have I told you about listening to World B. Free?
I don't remember...was it to keep doing it?
Interested to hear how the workouts go with the Belgium PG.
I admittedly don't know much about Collins but I can see the intrigue. Pretty good athlete. Has a lot of similar qualities that made me like Robert Williams a lot. Probably not as athletic but taller/better shooter for sure.
You've all been beaten. Evil has won. The end is nigh.
You don't trade KP. Shame on you for even discussing it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CS11HzYsSPs
He's a beast in transition. Like his defense. His halfcourt game scares me a lot.
You've all been beaten. Evil has won. The end is nigh.
You don't trade KP. Shame on you for even discussing it.
Totally agree. KP is legitimately a guy who could develop into the #1 guy on a title team. Obviously there is a lot of projection in saying that. But there isnt a LeBron/Shaq/Duncan in the league right now to take over -- a guy who entered the league getting measured for rings. KP has the tools and the attitude to be that type of player. You dont trade that kind of player. You build around him. I mean I guess you could do the implausible and randomly swap KP for someone else's KP (GF, KAT). But to take a package of lesser pieces, even if they're really quality? That to me ignores the fact that the NBA is a star's league. Hardest thing to get is that #1 guy. Steph Curry is worth more than Klay, a high #1 and another piece.
Rose is probably a spark off the bench (not even a true 6th man) for a contending team. Let him sign with the Clippers and play 10 minutes a game when CP3 needs a rest.
I would go as far to say it sounds like Phil definitely wants him back. I was shocked by the way he spoke about him at the press conference. My only hope is Rose finds a better situation with another team.
That is certainly the sense I got from the presser.
Im still not at all convinced that Phil wants a multi-year build. I think Phil would rather have Rose and win a few more games, especially on a short deal, than to just role with the kids.
Frankly, when has Phil ever shown patience for kids? He took over the Bulls after Jordan was already an MVP. He took over the Lakers when they already had Shaq and Kobe was entering year 4. Im blanking on whether Phil ever took a rookie and developed him into a star player (Kukoc doesnt count).