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DanMetroMan : 4/17/2017 9:37 am

-Asked this the other day but who says no to Melo for Bosh's contract and the Heat's pick?

-Andrew Lynch of Fox Sports has a dumb 6 step plan to fixing the Knicks

Fire Phil
Snipe Ujiri (who he claims Dolan has wanted to hire before, which actually was a rare positive thing from Dolan), or Sam Hinkie
Keep Hornacek
Sign Chris Paul and keep Melo

Chris Paul is a first ballot HOFer but just silly. I'd LOVE to dump Phil for Ujiri but that's not happening, at least not this year.

-Berman claims the only reason Jackson hired Hornacek over Rambis was because the younger Hornacek would likely relate to players better... Hornacek is about to be 54, Rambis is 59. This story seems highly, highly unlikely.

-Berman The 18-year-old point guard Frank Ntilikina, who played in the French League for LNB Pro A and is a projected lottery pick, was videotaped working out in the Carmelo Anthony-owned gym in midtown Manhattan. The Knicks scouted the 6-5 prospect in France. Ntilikina should be around if the Knicks pick around sixth or seventh. Draft workouts can begin in late April.
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RE: TMZ reporting that Melo and LaLa have separated.  
djm : 4/17/2017 4:22 pm : link
In comment 13431667 bceagle05 said:
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Open up that list of trade partners, Melo! The old ball and chain ain't a factor now.


Leave it to the Knicks to destroy a wonderful marriage!

JK...I think.
Twitter is ruthless:  
giantsfan44ab : 4/17/2017 4:24 pm : link
"Wow Melo Bout To Lose The Only Ring He Can Get RT @TMZ: Carmelo and La La Anthony Separated"
RE: TMZ reporting that Melo and LaLa have separated.  
Heisenberg : 4/17/2017 4:24 pm : link
In comment 13431667 bceagle05 said:
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Open up that list of trade partners, Melo! The old ball and chain ain't a factor now.


He's got a kid. He may have LESS flexibility because of this, not more.
Yeah I know, just wishful thinking on my part.  
bceagle05 : 4/17/2017 4:26 pm : link
I doubt this factors in much at all.
I  
DanMetroMan : 4/17/2017 4:26 pm : link
would hate Rose coming back for a myriad of reasons.

1. Either he's getting a large deal from the Knicks where they outbid other teams OR teams are so down on him that the best he can find is a shit deal with the Knicks

2. If the best he can do is a shit deal with the Knicks (presumably 1 year) what incentive does he have to care about helping the kids develop that wasn't there this year? He showed absolutely zero chemistry with KP/Willy and no evidence of it improving as the year went one

3. Over the top injury prone, 4 knee surgeries now

4. Quit on the team

5. If we draft a PG, this is the guy you want as a mentor?

6. Woj reported Rose was furious being benched for Baker. He's going to be okay with a rookie playing over him?

7. Consistently took shots at Hornacek. Say what you will about Melo but he most certainly didn't say anything to make Hornacek look inept, Rose did.

8. Absolutely zero defensive effort, why in the world would that change now?


If the Knicks insist in bringing in a veteran PG then Sergio Rodriguez is the right call. An unselfish mediocre player who has already been a role player (accepting his role) and has a relationship with KP and Willy.
Is Melo anymore likely to leave NY  
giantsfan44ab : 4/17/2017 4:26 pm : link
now that he's single?
First Phil and Jeannie, now Melo and LaLa.  
bceagle05 : 4/17/2017 4:27 pm : link
Knicks are failing everywhere.
KG tweet from 2013  
giantsfan44ab : 4/17/2017 4:29 pm : link
(how does this stuff not get attention?):

"Me, Melo and Whoever Jordan Crawford's boy is are all Eskimo Brothers. #Word"

I don't know if this is a "smoke -> fire" situation but LaLa has been caught up in quite a few cheating allegations over the last few years.
Also  
DanMetroMan : 4/17/2017 4:29 pm : link
lost in all of the other ridiculous Knicks stuff, if you believe Berman, KP doesn't care for Rambis and yet Phil feels the need to keep this "basketball genius" on the staff. Not exactly a good look when Melo is cursing out (reportedly) Hornacek and Rambis has to be the one "defending" him. People laughed previously regarding the "Filipino league triangle guru" but I would suspect he'd be a better person to have on the staff than Kurt Rambis all things considered.
RE: RE: TMZ reporting that Melo and LaLa have separated.  
Deej : 4/17/2017 4:31 pm : link
In comment 13431680 Heisenberg said:
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In comment 13431667 bceagle05 said:


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Open up that list of trade partners, Melo! The old ball and chain ain't a factor now.



He's got a kid. He may have LESS flexibility because of this, not more.


Yeah, that was my first thought.
I continue to think Derrick Rose  
bceagle05 : 4/17/2017 4:33 pm : link
has zero chance of returning. I was a bit surprised at Phil's praise, but the crux of Phil's presser was doubling down on the triangle and praising the young guys who bought in and played well down the stretch AFTER Rose and Melo (for the most part) had been shut down. Throw in Charley Rosen saying that Rose and Melo are probably goners, and of course Rose's latest injury. Phil made the Rose trade, so it makes sense he'd downplay how much of a mistake it was when talking to the press.
I miss Donnie Walsh.  
Ace718 : 4/17/2017 4:34 pm : link
He was the only one that got close to fixing the Knicks.

PS
Screw you, Phil. You've done more harm to this team than Isiah Thomas.
I  
DanMetroMan : 4/17/2017 4:35 pm : link
think the separation is anything is likely a net negative for the Knicks. He's very close with his son. Presumably had he been traded to LA etc his son LaLa would have gone with him. If she's living here he may not be willing to go very far.
RE: I  
Deej : 4/17/2017 4:37 pm : link
In comment 13431702 DanMetroMan said:
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think the separation is anything is likely a net negative for the Knicks. He's very close with his son. Presumably had he been traded to LA etc his son LaLa would have gone with him. If she's living here he may not be willing to go very far.


Yeah. So now as a fan, I have to hope that she's a demonstrably unfit mother so Melo will get custody even though he's traveling 50+ nights. No, that's going too far.
Were Honey Nut Cheerios involved?  
Anakim : 4/17/2017 4:37 pm : link
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SAS  
DanMetroMan : 4/17/2017 4:38 pm : link
goes nuts on Phil
Link - ( New Window )
RE: SAS  
nygiants16 : 4/17/2017 4:47 pm : link
In comment 13431709 DanMetroMan said:
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goes nuts on Phil Link - ( New Window )


he hates phil no matter what he does
Just  
DanMetroMan : 4/17/2017 4:47 pm : link
to be clear, I don't like Phil and even I admit SAS is a moron. I always wonder if behind closed doors he's more normal/intelligent.
RE: I  
TyreeHelmet : 4/17/2017 4:53 pm : link
In comment 13431684 DanMetroMan said:
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would hate Rose coming back for a myriad of reasons.

1. Either he's getting a large deal from the Knicks where they outbid other teams OR teams are so down on him that the best he can find is a shit deal with the Knicks

2. If the best he can do is a shit deal with the Knicks (presumably 1 year) what incentive does he have to care about helping the kids develop that wasn't there this year? He showed absolutely zero chemistry with KP/Willy and no evidence of it improving as the year went one

3. Over the top injury prone, 4 knee surgeries now

4. Quit on the team

5. If we draft a PG, this is the guy you want as a mentor?

6. Woj reported Rose was furious being benched for Baker. He's going to be okay with a rookie playing over him?

7. Consistently took shots at Hornacek. Say what you will about Melo but he most certainly didn't say anything to make Hornacek look inept, Rose did.

8. Absolutely zero defensive effort, why in the world would that change now?


If the Knicks insist in bringing in a veteran PG then Sergio Rodriguez is the right call. An unselfish mediocre player who has already been a role player (accepting his role) and has a relationship with KP and Willy.


Agree on all the points- especially the defense aspect. Being awful defensively at the point has killed the Knicks and kills any team defense. There are so many good guards in the league now, its very hard to "hide" Rose on defense. If they resign Rose and reach to draft a guy because he "fits the triangle", I'm done as a Knicks fan for a while.

I  
DanMetroMan : 4/17/2017 5:01 pm : link
continue to believe Derrick Rose's only value is a bench scorer for a good team. Clippers, Cavs, Spurs (though somehow Popp will turn him into a defensive dynamo) etc. Sign him for that role and that price with a strong team around him and I think it will work. Treat him like Jamal Crawford.
Question  
DanMetroMan : 4/17/2017 5:06 pm : link
lets pretend this Chris Paul to the Spurs rumor is actually somehow true... do you make a run at Patty Mills? or at soon to be 29 (despite very low mileage) does he not make sense? I'm thinking the later (as much as I like him).
RE: Question  
giantsfan44ab : 4/17/2017 5:14 pm : link
In comment 13431733 DanMetroMan said:
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lets pretend this Chris Paul to the Spurs rumor is actually somehow true... do you make a run at Patty Mills? or at soon to be 29 (despite very low mileage) does he not make sense? I'm thinking the later (as much as I like him).


I'm worried he might not be cheap. To be honest I don't see how he's drastically different from Rose. You replace Rose's scoring at the rim with better perimeter shooting and you have Mills.
How do the Spurs get at CP3's number  
giantsfan44ab : 4/17/2017 5:16 pm : link
is't he going to be in the $35-40M a year range? Do they need Parker to retire and Gasol to opt out?
RE: How do the Spurs get at CP3's number  
DanMetroMan : 4/17/2017 5:19 pm : link
In comment 13431739 giantsfan44ab said:
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is't he going to be in the $35-40M a year range? Do they need Parker to retire and Gasol to opt out?


To be clear I'm not buying the rumor at all but the "rumor" going around twitter is Paul would leave huge money on the table to join the Spurs. I don't honestly believe it. It was more about peoples opinion of Mills than anything else. The player on the Spurs I would love to snipe one day is Kyle Anderson. Man he's smooth
RE: Question  
TyreeHelmet : 4/17/2017 5:26 pm : link
In comment 13431733 DanMetroMan said:
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lets pretend this Chris Paul to the Spurs rumor is actually somehow true... do you make a run at Patty Mills? or at soon to be 29 (despite very low mileage) does he not make sense? I'm thinking the later (as much as I like him).


I would be fine with a Patty Mills move. Good shooter, above average defender. Maybe some of the Spurs magic can rub off on the Knicks.

What about Holiday? He's only 26 but a max deal for him is 4 years 120 million. Although not an all star PG, he is an excellent defender and probably all nba defense 2nd team. He would have to come at less than the max for it to make sense for the Knicks. New Orleans also can't afford to lose him because they have no way to replace him. He's clearly a target of Phil though. Pretty obsessive from the rumors.
RE: How do the Spurs get at CP3's number  
TyreeHelmet : 4/17/2017 5:29 pm : link
In comment 13431739 giantsfan44ab said:
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is't he going to be in the $35-40M a year range? Do they need Parker to retire and Gasol to opt out?


They could definitely make it work. If Paul wants to be a Spur, they will create the necessary cap room. Their cap is actually in really good shape going forward next few years. They are like the Patriots, good at everything.
Honestly I'd want to see CP3 in SA  
giantsfan44ab : 4/17/2017 5:31 pm : link
As for Mills, I'm not sure a 6' foot below average athlete PG would be all that great on defense on the Knicks.

Hard no on Holiday for me. Fan of his, I just don't think he's worth a max. Never healthy.
Our cap space should be used on  
Deej : 4/17/2017 5:41 pm : link
make good contracts that could be traded and taking on bad contracts in exchange for futures. There should be some teams that are willing to give to get cap space or avoid the tax.
RE: Our cap space should be used on  
giantsfan44ab : 4/17/2017 5:50 pm : link
In comment 13431755 Deej said:
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make good contracts that could be traded and taking on bad contracts in exchange for futures. There should be some teams that are willing to give to get cap space or avoid the tax.


Thinking about it now, giving Noah like a 2 year $50M deal would've been better for this. That way Melo wouldn't be the only "expiring".
I never thought we'd given Noah  
bceagle05 : 4/17/2017 5:52 pm : link
anything more than a two-year deal. What a colossal failure. I know it won't kill us if we go into rebuilding mode, but still...
Look at how much passion all of us have for the Knicks.  
yatqb : 4/17/2017 6:04 pm : link
And yet for the past 20 years or so the franchise has been mismanaged time and again. Layden, Thomas, Dolan's meddling regarding Melo, now Jackson. You'd think a trained seal could do better than we've had running things. Yet all of us are still hoping against hope for some miracle.

I think we're as far away from being a good team as any team in the league aside from our neighbors in Jersey.
Not so sure  
giantsfan44ab : 4/17/2017 6:43 pm : link
I'd still take the Knicks over a bunch of teams (maybe as many as half) solely because of KP.

Some of the lottery teams are worse off (Dallas, Charlotte, Detroit). Maybe Miami too, I don't see their path from "goodness" to "greatness". Indiana may have it rough if PG is serious about leaving. Does anyone envy Atlanta's position?

Maybe I'm pessimistic but I'd rather be a lottery dweller than a top seed pretender with Lebron still apparently in his prime in the East and quite possibly the greatest team in history in the West.

It's a very blunt view, but I don't regret seeing that way. I wouldn't trade KP for Lowry, Derozan and JV because they aren't giving you a real chance at a ring. Just how the NBA is structured. Maybe another dynasty will arise when Lebron is done (GF) but I'd rather have a prime KP cross that bridge in a few years than challenge CLE/GS now. I mean heck, I don't know that I wouldn't classify Cleveland as "pretender" with the Warriors around, and no EC team has a shot at Cleveland.
The game within the game in the NBA today  
Ten Ton Hammer : 4/17/2017 7:22 pm : link
is not to be good now. It's to be good in 4-5 years when Lebron is on the downside, and Curry is approaching his mid 30s, and the Class of 2003 are all retired.
Im  
DanMetroMan : 4/17/2017 7:51 pm : link
Not predicting it happens but if everything broke right I'd pick the Bucks as the team to "replace" the Cavs in the East. I know that sounds nuts
One thing to mention about frank  
nygiants16 : 4/17/2017 8:32 pm : link
he started the last 11 games of his euro league, team went 9 and 2, rrally got better as the season went on..
RE: Im  
bceagle05 : 4/17/2017 8:53 pm : link
In comment 13431839 DanMetroMan said:
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Not predicting it happens but if everything broke right I'd pick the Bucks as the team to "replace" the Cavs in the East. I know that sounds nuts


I don't think it's nuts but they may need to land a big ticket FA somewhere along the line, and Milwaukee's a tough sell. Not sure Greg Monroe counts.
Rut roh....  
bceagle05 : 4/17/2017 9:26 pm : link
Melo got another chick pregnant. Good luck with that custody battle.
Custody battle?  
B in ALB : 4/17/2017 9:30 pm : link
You're joking right?
I meant with LaLa.  
bceagle05 : 4/17/2017 9:33 pm : link
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RE: Rut roh....  
Ten Ton Hammer : 4/17/2017 9:34 pm : link
In comment 13431945 bceagle05 said:
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Melo got another chick pregnant. Good luck with that custody battle.


Jesus. He's 32 years old. That's a rookie move.
RE: RE: Im  
giantsfan44ab : 4/17/2017 9:38 pm : link
In comment 13431908 bceagle05 said:
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In comment 13431839 DanMetroMan said:


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Not predicting it happens but if everything broke right I'd pick the Bucks as the team to "replace" the Cavs in the East. I know that sounds nuts



I don't think it's nuts but they may need to land a big ticket FA somewhere along the line, and Milwaukee's a tough sell. Not sure Greg Monroe counts.


I don't think they need to. IMO they are the 2nd best team in the east right now, or at least closer than they get credit for. Giannis is T-3 years from being the best player in the league. Middleton will make a few all star teams once the Bucks start getting top-3 seeds. Brogdon may not be an all star but boy the dude is a winner. He's like George Hill. I'll argue Dan on maker being as good as KP but I'd wager he makes an all star team, or gets significant votes for one.

Not even considering Parker. If I were the Bucks, I'd view Parker as a way to dump their bad contracts and get a solid center. I'm not going to pay him whatever he's going to get. I'd attach Hawes, teletovic, Henson, etc. to Parker and turn into brook Lopez or vucevic. I don't think you need some stud center to make the Bucks a contender. Just a 5 that can stretch the floor. The other 4 guys can play defense and rebound.
Layden, Grunwald, Donnie, Isiah, Mills  
PhilSimms15 : 4/17/2017 9:42 pm : link
Guess what they all have in common with Jackson? They too went through the gauntlet of NY Knick media, and none escaped unscathed.

So maybe Jackson sucks. But then so did all these other guys.

It's clear that the real reason that Knicks have been awful for almost 20 years (with a good year or two tossed in there) is the owner and the completely toxic media.

No team in NY gets hammered the way the Knicks do and it is to the determent of the fans, the team, its players, and yes, the general managers.

It is pretty bleak as it is clear the owner is not selling and the media gets too much enjoyment out of trashing the team, to do anything differently.

And yet . . .we Knick fans can't give up. Now with all our picks, at some point, the luck has to turn around and the Knicks will get a generational talent. I hope.
If they hold onto their draft picks they'll fix things.  
bceagle05 : 4/17/2017 9:48 pm : link
They would've fixed things years ago if they held onto their picks. The question is would they be a championship team or a Raptors-like "contender." The former will require some luck.
I hope the Bucks do pull it off.  
bceagle05 : 4/17/2017 9:49 pm : link
They're a lot of fun to watch. Knicks battled them pretty well this season.
RE: I meant with LaLa.  
Anakim : 4/17/2017 9:51 pm : link
In comment 13431951 bceagle05 said:
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Was it Rihanna? - ( New Window )
One thing to think about  
nygiants16 : 4/17/2017 10:11 pm : link
whem talking about a melo trade to lakers, lakers will not have their pick next year if they keep their pick this year...

they may go for a quick fix to try and get into the playoffs, plus magic said today on the radio lakers well have a star player on their roster...

lakers are not going to go with a slow rebuild
yeah the lakers make a ton of sense.  
Jon in NYC : 4/17/2017 10:14 pm : link
I really think a Russell/Ingram + Deng + Zubac combo could be on the table.
RE: yeah the lakers make a ton of sense.  
nygiants16 : 4/17/2017 10:23 pm : link
In comment 13432006 Jon in NYC said:
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I really think a Russell/Ingram + Deng + Zubac combo could be on the table.


i dont think lakers part with zubac or ingram..

if lakers get ball i could see russell and deng for melo and thats fine with me
Getting Russell  
Phil in LA : 4/17/2017 10:53 pm : link
would be excellent.
By now not only have I lost any faith in Phil turning our pathetic  
Jim in Hoboken : 4/17/2017 11:14 pm : link
franchise around, I am also getting annoyed by his antics. The fans deserve better.

I'd be pretty upset if the Knicks end up with Ntilikina after this disaster of a season. If we don't pick high enough to grab a Jackson, I'd focus on Fox or Smith. All of the good PG's in the league right now except for Paul are shoot-first PG's. To dismiss Fox and Smith because they might dominate the ball too much is silly. We need good backcourt players, period.

If Phil drafts Ntilikina because the Frenchie fits the stupid Triangle philosophy better or because he doesn't like flashy players, I'd go bonkers. I really hope he's not serious about hammering home his philosophy/zen whatever in today's NBA. He'd not only be in way over his head as a GM, he'd also be delusional.
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