-Asked this the other day but who says no to Melo for Bosh's contract and the Heat's pick?
-Andrew Lynch of Fox Sports has a dumb 6 step plan to fixing the Knicks
Fire Phil
Snipe Ujiri (who he claims Dolan has wanted to hire before, which actually was a rare positive thing from Dolan), or Sam Hinkie
Keep Hornacek
Sign Chris Paul and keep Melo
Chris Paul is a first ballot HOFer but just silly. I'd LOVE to dump Phil for Ujiri but that's not happening, at least not this year.
-Berman claims the only reason Jackson hired Hornacek over Rambis was because the younger Hornacek would likely relate to players better... Hornacek is about to be 54, Rambis is 59. This story seems highly, highly unlikely.
-Berman The 18-year-old point guard Frank Ntilikina, who played in the French League for LNB Pro A and is a projected lottery pick, was videotaped working out in the Carmelo Anthony-owned gym in midtown Manhattan. The Knicks scouted the 6-5 prospect in France. Ntilikina should be around if the Knicks pick around sixth or seventh. Draft workouts can begin in late April.
frank is a good shooter, he is long, a good defender, so what if he doesnt jump out of the gym..
remembwe people killed phil for drafting kp and now people do not give him credit for drafting kp...
how many games have you watched frank? guarantee it is not more than the scouts..
What's your next move after Magic hangs up on you?
Honestly I don't know if I am excited by that.
This Knicks brass is also responsible for Early, Greek Freak's brother, and Grant....
Honestly I don't know if I am excited by that.
This Knicks brass is also responsible for Early, Greek Freak's brother, and Grant....
also responsible for kp and willy, who is a steal of a 2nd round pick..
early and greek freak were both 2nd round picks they were take a chance picks and everyone loved the early pick qhen it happened...
grant everyone loved the move when it happened, didnt work out..
you just called phil a moron if they pick frank and you know nothing about him, knicks have one of the best euro scouts in the game
Winslow would be a nice fit next to KP for another tank season this year and be part of the plan
id suggest going on youtube and watch some of franks full games, because if knicks stay at 6 or 7 he is more than likely going to be the pick..
watch the games towards the end of the season though he started the last 11 games, they went 9 and 2..
Drafting him wouldn't prevent me from going out and signing a Sergio Rodriguez type or even drafting a PG next year. I'd love to see 2 PG sets with a guy who can actually guard 2s and provide shooting off the ball.
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I really think a Russell/Ingram + Deng + Zubac combo could be on the table.
i dont think lakers part with zubac or ingram..
if lakers get ball i could see russell and deng for melo and thats fine with me
Forget Melo for a second. What is the precedent for trading a contract like Deng's? Big money for THREE MORE seasons to a 30+ guy who fell out of the rotation for a bottom 3 team? I cant recall anyone getting out of a contract like that.
Really, getting Deng and Russell is probably the functional equivalent of just paying Russell 23-25 million per for the next three seasons, and having the opportunity to extend him. That's not terrible for a rebuilding team, but trading Melo for that isnt a ton of value IMO. Unless you think Russell is about to make a big leap.
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I really think a Russell/Ingram + Deng + Zubac combo could be on the table.
i dont think lakers part with zubac or ingram..
if lakers get ball i could see russell and deng for melo and thats fine with me
Forget Melo for a second. What is the precedent for trading a contract like Deng's? Big money for THREE MORE seasons to a 30+ guy who fell out of the rotation for a bottom 3 team? I cant recall anyone getting out of a contract like that.
Really, getting Deng and Russell is probably the functional equivalent of just paying Russell 23-25 million per for the next three seasons, and having the opportunity to extend him. That's not terrible for a rebuilding team, but trading Melo for that isnt a ton of value IMO. Unless you think Russell is about to make a big leap.
Or you're like me and you think Melo's value is shot. Partially due to our GM who shits on him in the public every chance he gets.
If the only asset we are getting is Russell then id say its just Russell and filler (brewer types) for Melo. Thats a solid trade for both teams, Melo still has value in this league so i dont see why we have to take on maybe the worst contract in the league just to get a guy who has underperformed his first two years in the league.
Or you're like me and you think Melo's value is shot. Partially due to our GM who shits on him in the public every chance he gets.
Melo's value is impaired but it is not negative or close to it. Not in this cap environment. Whereas I think Deng's value is so low that you might need to attach Russell just to trade Deng for no return.
If they didn't sign anyone to a multi-year deal this offseason their cap total would be at $60M? What is the cap supposed to be at? $110M being optimistic?
Warranted or not Randle would easily be looking at a max deal I would think. If for no reason other than the Nets or a similar team will give him a max offer sheet. What's his max going to be, $20-25M? I believe PG would cost about $35M. I'd imagine Clarkson is the guy they'd want to try trading first, you could probably find a taker without needing a pick. Can't you fit PG AND Randle without moving Deng/mozgov in that scenario?
Realistically, no, trading Clarkson isnt enough.
Well if they can't realistically fit Randle and george, I'd try making a play for Julius. I like him better than Russell and especially Clarkson. I think Clarksons best case scenario is becoming lou williams or Eric Gordon, and his 3 point shot isn't anywhere close at this stage. You wonder if he's near his ceiling, will be 25 next season. Not sure id take Clarkson and Deng, I think you'll be able to snag a Clarkson type player in FA in any given year.
You can run some interesting lineups with a frontcourt of Randle and KP. Randle isn't a rim protector but he's a playmaker and is decent as a 1 on 1 defender and a good rebounder for a 4 whereas KP provides the spacing/rim protection.
Drafting him wouldn't prevent me from going out and signing a Sergio Rodriguez type or even drafting a PG next year. I'd love to see 2 PG sets with a guy who can actually guard 2s and provide shooting off the ball.
i started watchimg full games of franks and it got me on his bandwagon, especially his last 11 games, he just got better..
i was on the mudiay bandwago because he was long and i thought he could be a great defender but needed to work on his jump shot...
frank has the jump shot, he can play multiple positions, just love his upside
good he should, he can get used to carrying the load
i dont think any team likes their players playing in fiba, but you have to live with it when drafting an international player, you have to let these guys play
Mean like this kid? He's from Brooklyn. Per draft net:
" 64 scoring guard with great explosiveness Good athlete with tremendous natural body strength ... Impressive combination of power and finesse Very gifted scorer. High level instincts and feel for the game ... Scores well off the dribble or catch ... Creates offense in the half court set ... Can create a scoring opportunity from scratch ... Good ball handling ability ... Doesnt waste dribbles when making a move ... Shoots well, has range out to the NBA three Physical NYC "power" guard ... Likes to use his strength and bully opponents ... Gets to the rim and finishes well with contact ... Draws a lot of fouls Very good in transition Good defender; good strength, lateral speed, and length Plays under control. Strong willed. Doesnt panic or get rattled ... Plays with great confidence. A true competitor Solid court vision and passing ability Strong rebounder for a guard "
6'4, 225. 37% from 3. Game reminds me of Waiters.
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Knicks should be looking for guys like the 2017 Heat find Rodney McGruder. He gets rave reviews for his defensive effort, how he's a pest, in your face, never backs down. Obviously not McGruder himself (why would the Heat give him up) but we should be eyeing guys like this who maybe haven't been given a fair shot.
Mean like this kid? He's from Brooklyn. Per draft net:
" 64 scoring guard with great explosiveness Good athlete with tremendous natural body strength ... Impressive combination of power and finesse Very gifted scorer. High level instincts and feel for the game ... Scores well off the dribble or catch ... Creates offense in the half court set ... Can create a scoring opportunity from scratch ... Good ball handling ability ... Doesnt waste dribbles when making a move ... Shoots well, has range out to the NBA three Physical NYC "power" guard ... Likes to use his strength and bully opponents ... Gets to the rim and finishes well with contact ... Draws a lot of fouls Very good in transition Good defender; good strength, lateral speed, and length Plays under control. Strong willed. Doesnt panic or get rattled ... Plays with great confidence. A true competitor Solid court vision and passing ability Strong rebounder for a guard "
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Sounds good to me. I really think the quickest way the Knicks will turn around being a joke is getting athletic, willing defenders. That's not to say they will be contenders adding Rodney McGruder or Rawle Alkins types but defensive effort is contagious and willing and hungry defenders can really change the "culture" of a team.
"He gets under your skin, teammate Dion Waiters said. I think sometimes in this league people dont understand that its about how hard you go. Rod, they probably overlook him coming into the game. But you know on that night that hes going to make you work. He doesnt care who you are.
Hes like the heart and soul of our team, Waiters said of McGruder. He goes extremely hard and he guards the best players and he makes them work. Tonight Paul George probably just wasnt up for that or ready for that. Thats just who Rodney is and how he plays. You have to respect that man.
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If this was the NFL, it would get a 2 hour pre-flip show.
based on phils press conference, build around porzingis and go young..
trade melo and if they can get anything for lee probably trade him too
I want out, Patrick Ewing said.
This was July 1991, and Ewings frustrations had boiled and bubbled far longer than Kristaps Porzingis have. Ewing already had put in six hard years at the Garden, already had won a playoff series, already had initiated what would become a remarkable rivalry with the Bulls. And he already had been turned on by Knicks fans, who famously showered the Garden floor with life-sized posters.
Ewing had tried to get the NBA to void the four remaining years of his contract, he was so fed up with what he saw happening with the Knicks. In his mind, he already had been traded. Now, in a hotel room in Washington, D.C., he hoped to make that abundantly clear to his visitor, a man whose impressive rsum had thus far left Ewing unmoved.
I want you to think about something, Pat Riley told Ewing that day nearly 26 years ago. I want you to close your eyes and think of a championship parade on Broadway and what that would mean to New York City and what that would mean to you.
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Where did you hear that? Sounds like a joke.
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has it written into his contract how many ISO's the Knicks run for him? Is that real?
Where did you hear that? Sounds like a joke.
The source is a moron which is why I even asked. But he makes it sound like it was clearly stated during the presser
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So many gems 💎 from Phil's press conference. Anyone else pick up Melo has limited ISOs spelled out in his contract? #knicks"
0% chance of that being real
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into a functional basketball organization.
based on phils press conference, build around porzingis and go young..
trade melo and if they can get anything for lee probably trade him too
I dont think Phil was all that clear about a youth movement. I think there is a good chance he brings in a vet, Rose or otherwise, to be the #1 option. I didnt hear anything that suggested that Phil was willing to eat a bad year or 3 to come out better on the other side.
I think his plan is this: The Triangle. As an offense and as a way of life. I think he's more than a little nutty when it comes to the Triangle. And Im not one of these people hung up on the Triangle. We suck because we (1) dont defend, (2) dont have the athletes to defense, and (3) had ball stoppers as our 1, 2, and 3 options (yeah, KP could pass more). The lack of ball movement wasnt a Triangle issue -- it was a "this is who Melo and Rose are" issue.
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has it written into his contract how many ISO's the Knicks run for him? Is that real?
0% chance of that being real
And it absolutely wasnt said at the presser
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into a functional basketball organization.
based on phils press conference, build around porzingis and go young..
trade melo and if they can get anything for lee probably trade him too
Heh, yeah, that part is clear. I wasn't just talking about the offseason moves. He's been pretty adept and making changes in the offseason. How does he turn the roster and organization into something that works together and is functional. Right now, from Phil, to coaching, to the players, it's complete dysfunction junction.
My one hope when Phil came was that he could get the entire organization (personnel, players, coaches) on the same page, like the successful NBA teams around the league. He's been a part of that throughout his career. Instead, he's shown that he's a destabilizing force everywhere.
you dont like phil jackson? fine but you were the one who said you wanted to run the triangle more and if it is about carmelo grow up...