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DanMetroMan : 4/17/2017 9:37 am

-Asked this the other day but who says no to Melo for Bosh's contract and the Heat's pick?

-Andrew Lynch of Fox Sports has a dumb 6 step plan to fixing the Knicks

Fire Phil
Snipe Ujiri (who he claims Dolan has wanted to hire before, which actually was a rare positive thing from Dolan), or Sam Hinkie
Keep Hornacek
Sign Chris Paul and keep Melo

Chris Paul is a first ballot HOFer but just silly. I'd LOVE to dump Phil for Ujiri but that's not happening, at least not this year.

-Berman claims the only reason Jackson hired Hornacek over Rambis was because the younger Hornacek would likely relate to players better... Hornacek is about to be 54, Rambis is 59. This story seems highly, highly unlikely.

-Berman The 18-year-old point guard Frank Ntilikina, who played in the French League for LNB Pro A and is a projected lottery pick, was videotaped working out in the Carmelo Anthony-owned gym in midtown Manhattan. The Knicks scouted the 6-5 prospect in France. Ntilikina should be around if the Knicks pick around sixth or seventh. Draft workouts can begin in late April.
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RE: RE: RE: I wonder what Phil's plan is to turn this shit show  
nygiants16 : 4/18/2017 10:48 am : link
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into a functional basketball organization.



based on phils press conference, build around porzingis and go young..

trade melo and if they can get anything for lee probably trade him too




Heh, yeah, that part is clear. I wasn't just talking about the offseason moves. He's been pretty adept and making changes in the offseason. How does he turn the roster and organization into something that works together and is functional. Right now, from Phil, to coaching, to the players, it's complete dysfunction junction.

My one hope when Phil came was that he could get the entire organization (personnel, players, coaches) on the same page, like the successful NBA teams around the league. He's been a part of that throughout his career. Instead, he's shown that he's a destabilizing force everywhere.


I think going younger will help the "culture" if knicks have the exact same record but have their pick and a young team the cukture is going to be completely different..

you will be able to see the future, if he goes vet route again it will be frustrating
Phil will trade Melo  
giantsfan44ab : 4/18/2017 10:49 am : link
and then sign Rudy Gay.
Thanks for the confirmation  
Carl in CT : 4/18/2017 10:50 am : link
16 and el.
Top  
DanMetroMan : 4/18/2017 10:59 am : link
5 ball handlers in the draft (according to one writer)
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RE: RE: RE: Melo  
TyreeHelmet : 4/18/2017 11:00 am : link
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has it written into his contract how many ISO's the Knicks run for him? Is that real?



Where did you hear that? Sounds like a joke.




The source is a moron which is why I even asked. But he makes it sound like it was clearly stated during the presser

"Tommy Dee‏ @ThomasCDee 11m11 minutes ago
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So many gems 💎 from Phil's press conference. Anyone else pick up Melo has limited ISOs spelled out in his contract? #knicks"


There isn't a bigger clown out there than Tommy Dee. Same level as incarcerated Bob.
It's  
DanMetroMan : 4/18/2017 11:17 am : link
really strange but of my 4 "teams" the Knicks seem to have the highest % of homer fans/bloggers. Not really sure why?
Saveage:  
giantsfan44ab : 4/18/2017 11:23 am : link
"Notice separated not divorced. Melo has a no trade clause on his marriage too"
RE: It's  
giantsfan44ab : 4/18/2017 11:25 am : link
In comment 13432418 DanMetroMan said:
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really strange but of my 4 "teams" the Knicks seem to have the highest % of homer fans/bloggers. Not really sure why?


Just conjecture, but the other sports teams have more of a split. Like Yankees/mets split baseball, Giants/Jets fans split football, etc.
More I think about it  
giantsfan44ab : 4/18/2017 11:32 am : link
This Knicks season is like Anger Management starring Melo as Adam Sandler and Phil Jackson as Jack Nicholson.
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DanMetroMan : 4/18/2017 11:32 am : link
In comment 13432436 giantsfan44ab said:
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really strange but of my 4 "teams" the Knicks seem to have the highest % of homer fans/bloggers. Not really sure why?



Just conjecture, but the other sports teams have more of a split. Like Yankees/mets split baseball, Giants/Jets fans split football, etc.


Makes sense. I just see 2 groups of people on twitter 1. That somehow love Tommy Dee and subscribe to some weird idea that the Knicks are fine but it's the media that's at fault. Even quasi celebrity John Henson is a "Tommy Dee" guy. and the other group fights with Tommy Dee and hates him lol
Probably  
DanMetroMan : 4/18/2017 11:52 am : link
total BS but there are pictures floating around of the woman who claims Melo knocked her up and she looks just like LaLa (likely bogus pictures etc).
RE: RE: RE: It's  
nygiants16 : 4/18/2017 11:53 am : link
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really strange but of my 4 "teams" the Knicks seem to have the highest % of homer fans/bloggers. Not really sure why?



Just conjecture, but the other sports teams have more of a split. Like Yankees/mets split baseball, Giants/Jets fans split football, etc.



Makes sense. I just see 2 groups of people on twitter 1. That somehow love Tommy Dee and subscribe to some weird idea that the Knicks are fine but it's the media that's at fault. Even quasi celebrity John Henson is a "Tommy Dee" guy. and the other group fights with Tommy Dee and hates him lol


i hate tommy dee and i am definitely a homer lol
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DanMetroMan : 4/18/2017 11:59 am : link
Kevin Pelton‏ @kpelton 36m36 minutes ago
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Kevin Pelton Retweeted Casey Holdahl
Sadly, not a coin flip at all. It's a miniature version of the draft lottery with ping-pong balls.
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DanMetroMan : 4/18/2017 12:06 pm : link
with shooting touch

Xavier v Arizona
Will the Knicks select Arizona's Lauri Markkanen in the NBA Draft? (Ezra Shaw | Getty Images)
Print Email Joe Giglio | NJ Advance Media for NJ.com By Joe Giglio | NJ Advance Media for NJ.com
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on April 17, 2017 at 1:00 PM, updated April 17, 2017 at 1:14 PM
If this mock draft comes to fruition, the Knicks would be a nightmare for opposing defenses to handle--regardless of how the Carmelo Anthony saga plays out.

In CBS Sports' latest mock, the Knicks landed Arizona big man Lauri Markkanen with the No. 7 overall pick.

Here's what the mock said about the pick of a player that could pair with Kristaps Porzingis to give New York a pair of big front-court players with three-point range.

Markkanen is a modern-day stretch-4 who shot 42.3 percent from 3-point range this season. It's hard to imagine him slipping outside of the top 10.

The mock's top-10 picks looked like this.

1. Boston Celtics (via Nets): Markelle Fultz, PG, Washington

2. Phoenix Suns: Josh Jackson, SF, Kansas

3. Los Angeles Lakers: Lonzo Ball, PG, UCLA

4. Sixers: Dennis Smith Jr., PG, North Carolina State

5. Orlando Magic: Malik Monk, PG, Kentucky

6. Minnesota Timberwolves: Jayson Tatum, SF, Duke

7. Knicks: Markkanen

8. Sacramento Kings: Jonathan Isaac, SF, Florida State

9. Dallas Mavericks: De'Aaron Fox, PG, Kentucky

10. Sacramento Kings: Justin Jackson, SF, North Carolina
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Hmmm Justin Jackson 10??  
giantsfan44ab : 4/18/2017 12:15 pm : link
Offensively markannen KP would be interesting. Would certainly make Willy somewhat expendable at some point. You'd want a defensive minded center playing some of the time at least.

It would make the offense unstoppable with a solid PG and shooters at the wing. But is it worth it at the expense of a horrible defensive/rebounding team?

Look at the nuggets. They had the most efficient offense in the NBA but look how far that took them. They have solid wing defenders too in harris and Chandler. Much better rebounding that you can ever hope to expect from a KP/markannen tandem.

I'd rather have Isaac at that point. Better rebounder/defender/playmaker at the cost of 2 inches height and some shooting.
Start embracing that French culture boys...don't fight it.  
bceagle05 : 4/18/2017 12:28 pm : link
Libert, galit, fraternit

If they take Frenchie over Issac  
Greg from LI : 4/18/2017 12:31 pm : link
I think that will be the final straw.
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TyreeHelmet : 4/18/2017 12:34 pm : link
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with shooting touch

Xavier v Arizona
Will the Knicks select Arizona's Lauri Markkanen in the NBA Draft? (Ezra Shaw | Getty Images)
Print Email Joe Giglio | NJ Advance Media for NJ.com By Joe Giglio | NJ Advance Media for NJ.com
Email the author | Follow on Twitter
on April 17, 2017 at 1:00 PM, updated April 17, 2017 at 1:14 PM
If this mock draft comes to fruition, the Knicks would be a nightmare for opposing defenses to handle--regardless of how the Carmelo Anthony saga plays out.

In CBS Sports' latest mock, the Knicks landed Arizona big man Lauri Markkanen with the No. 7 overall pick.

Here's what the mock said about the pick of a player that could pair with Kristaps Porzingis to give New York a pair of big front-court players with three-point range.

Markkanen is a modern-day stretch-4 who shot 42.3 percent from 3-point range this season. It's hard to imagine him slipping outside of the top 10.

The mock's top-10 picks looked like this.

1. Boston Celtics (via Nets): Markelle Fultz, PG, Washington

2. Phoenix Suns: Josh Jackson, SF, Kansas

3. Los Angeles Lakers: Lonzo Ball, PG, UCLA

4. Sixers: Dennis Smith Jr., PG, North Carolina State

5. Orlando Magic: Malik Monk, PG, Kentucky

6. Minnesota Timberwolves: Jayson Tatum, SF, Duke

7. Knicks: Markkanen

8. Sacramento Kings: Jonathan Isaac, SF, Florida State

9. Dallas Mavericks: De'Aaron Fox, PG, Kentucky

10. Sacramento Kings: Justin Jackson, SF, North Carolina Link - ( New Window )


I really don't like a frontcourt of Markannen and KP
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DanMetroMan : 4/18/2017 12:36 pm : link
the Knicks I'd be pretty bummed passing on Isaac for Markkanen. At least with Isaac you could conceivably run Isaac/KP/Willy out there together. Markkanen can't guard 3's.
Apparently  
DanMetroMan : 4/18/2017 12:38 pm : link
the Pelicans think Holiday is leaving.
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giantsfan44ab : 4/18/2017 12:40 pm : link
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the Knicks I'd be pretty bummed passing on Isaac for Markkanen. At least with Isaac you could conceivably run Isaac/KP/Willy out there together. Markkanen can't guard 3's.


Can he even guard 4s? He's a 3 inch taller version of Ryan anderson in my eyes. Comparing him to KP is really off base because he's not nearly as fluid of an athlete or ball handler as KP.

The Ryan Anderson comp isn't a bad thing; Andersons biggest weakness is his size and being 7', markannen I don't think will be as much of a liability. I just don't see him being a cornerstone piece. You put him next to KAT and wonders will happen.
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bceagle05 : 4/18/2017 12:41 pm : link
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the Pelicans think Holiday is leaving.


Oh fuck. Well, hopefully the Knicks are so toxic he'll stay away. Justin seemed pretty happy here though.
Isaac seems to be the type of guy  
bceagle05 : 4/18/2017 12:42 pm : link
Gaines would fall in love with.
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DanMetroMan : 4/18/2017 12:44 pm : link
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the Knicks I'd be pretty bummed passing on Isaac for Markkanen. At least with Isaac you could conceivably run Isaac/KP/Willy out there together. Markkanen can't guard 3's.



Can he even guard 4s? He's a 3 inch taller version of Ryan anderson in my eyes. Comparing him to KP is really off base because he's not nearly as fluid of an athlete or ball handler as KP.

The Ryan Anderson comp isn't a bad thing; Andersons biggest weakness is his size and being 7', markannen I don't think will be as much of a liability. I just don't see him being a cornerstone piece. You put him next to KAT and wonders will happen.


I really just meant some people on here insist Isaac will end up at the 4. That may or may not be true but it's 100% within the realm of possibility you can run Isaac/KP/Willy out there together. Markannen on the court means one of Willy or KP is sitting.
Dos Holiday's  
DanMetroMan : 4/18/2017 12:47 pm : link
better not be "the plan". No knock on Jrue Holiday (very nice player) but he's not a "great" player and despite only being 27 next season has played a grand total of 206 games since the beginning of the 2013-2014 season. That's 206/328 team games. It's not 1 bad injury, it's consistently being dinged. We should expect him to suddenly be a durable player from 27-32 when he wasn't previously? If he were "great" or the upside were "great" then maybe you roll the dice but giving him a max deal AND giving his brother a big deal (they would be here as a package deal) PASS from me.
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TyreeHelmet : 4/18/2017 12:53 pm : link
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better not be "the plan". No knock on Jrue Holiday (very nice player) but he's not a "great" player and despite only being 27 next season has played a grand total of 206 games since the beginning of the 2013-2014 season. That's 206/328 team games. It's not 1 bad injury, it's consistently being dinged. We should expect him to suddenly be a durable player from 27-32 when he wasn't previously? If he were "great" or the upside were "great" then maybe you roll the dice but giving him a max deal AND giving his brother a big deal (they would be here as a package deal) PASS from me.


I have a feeling like it is the plan. I have heard Phil really likes both Holidays and he definitely fits as a "triangle PG', whatever that even means. If so we are probably looking at 55 million tied up between Holiday brothers and Noah the next 3 years. So Knicks it hurts.
we all know how this is going to go  
nygiants16 : 4/18/2017 12:54 pm : link
today knicks will win coin toss, then come lottery night minnesota will get into top 3..

july 4th or 5th comes around and we will see rose sign somewhere and we will all be happy, then next day knicks sign holiday to a 100 million dollar deal
I dread that Holiday scenario.  
bceagle05 : 4/18/2017 12:54 pm : link
I'm not sure how determined they are to play together, but where else could they land? Who is clamoring for those two at their respective price tags? Would Philly pay them? Brooklyn? You just know the Knicks will have interest in both.
RE: we all know how this is going to go  
DanMetroMan : 4/18/2017 12:57 pm : link
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today knicks will win coin toss, then come lottery night minnesota will get into top 3..

july 4th or 5th comes around and we will see rose sign somewhere and we will all be happy, then next day knicks sign holiday to a 100 million dollar deal


Sounds about right but you forgot Justin Jackson as our pick because of the triangle fit.
This is one of the horrors of being a Knicks fan...  
bceagle05 : 4/18/2017 12:58 pm : link
you wind up rooting for them to make bad trades or draft picks to keep them from making WORSE decisions in free agency. I was glad drafting KP made Greg Monroe less likely. I was rooting for the Rubio trade to go down in order to prevent us from signing Teague/Hill/Holiday to a four-year deal (Rubio only has two years left). Now I'm kinda hoping we draft a PG to avoid that same fate.
RE: RE: we all know how this is going to go  
nygiants16 : 4/18/2017 12:59 pm : link
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today knicks will win coin toss, then come lottery night minnesota will get into top 3..

july 4th or 5th comes around and we will see rose sign somewhere and we will all be happy, then next day knicks sign holiday to a 100 million dollar deal



Sounds about right but you forgot Justin Jackson as our pick because of the triangle fit.


i am hoping for 1 good thing this off seasons
RE: This is one of the horrors of being a Knicks fan...  
nygiants16 : 4/18/2017 1:00 pm : link
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you wind up rooting for them to make bad trades or draft picks to keep them from making WORSE decisions in free agency. I was glad drafting KP made Greg Monroe less likely. I was rooting for the Rubio trade to go down in order to prevent us from signing Teague/Hill/Holiday to a four-year deal (Rubio only has two years left). Now I'm kinda hoping we draft a PG to avoid that same fate.


problem is holiday fots next to most of the point guards in the knicks range..
Phil must realize  
Phil in LA : 4/18/2017 1:01 pm : link
Rose slowed KP's development.
RE: I dread that Holiday scenario.  
giantsfan44ab : 4/18/2017 1:02 pm : link
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I'm not sure how determined they are to play together, but where else could they land? Who is clamoring for those two at their respective price tags? Would Philly pay them? Brooklyn? You just know the Knicks will have interest in both.


I don't understand why justin would just go to NO. Probably the ONLY team he'd start for right off the bat. He's a solid player and the Pelicans need shooting in the worst way.
*justin WOULDNT  
giantsfan44ab : 4/18/2017 1:03 pm : link
Go to NO.
Another  
DanMetroMan : 4/18/2017 1:04 pm : link
gem from Tommy Dee (advocating bringing back Rose) stating he and KP will "figure it out". So an entire training camp, pre-season and regular season wasn't enough time?
pelicans have zero cap space  
nygiants16 : 4/18/2017 1:05 pm : link
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I supposed it's possible  
bceagle05 : 4/18/2017 1:05 pm : link
that Cousins is such a freaking maniac that he makes playing for the Knicks seem like a nice alternative.
What's wrong with Holiday?  
Jon in NYC : 4/18/2017 1:07 pm : link
26, averaged 15 and 7, good 3 pt shooter, good defender.

Only major knock is injury history.
RE: pelicans have zero cap space  
giantsfan44ab : 4/18/2017 1:10 pm : link
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They can't use the MLE?
RE: What's wrong with Holiday?  
DanMetroMan : 4/18/2017 1:10 pm : link
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26, averaged 15 and 7, good 3 pt shooter, good defender.

Only major knock is injury history.


First of all he's 27 for Knicks purposes, ALWAYS hurt... every season for the past 4 and will get max money. You really see him as a max money player? Where is this path to being really good giving the Holiday brothers huge money?
RE: What's wrong with Holiday?  
giantsfan44ab : 4/18/2017 1:10 pm : link
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26, averaged 15 and 7, good 3 pt shooter, good defender.

Only major knock is injury history.


The whole giving him 4 years $120M to keep the Knicks just out of range of the top lottery picks part of it.
Who  
Jon in NYC : 4/18/2017 1:11 pm : link
is giving him 30 million?

Mike Conley, a significantly better player, got 30 million.

I bet he gets what Noah gets.
I'd slow the roll about  
giantsfan44ab : 4/18/2017 1:12 pm : link
giving the Holiday "brothers" big money. Why is Justin exactly lumped into the "big money" part of the equation?
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nygiants16 : 4/18/2017 1:13 pm : link
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They can't use the MLE?


i mean i guess they could, sign holiday to big deal then sign his brother to mle but thats all they would be able to do
Holiday did not close out the season well at all  
Deej : 4/18/2017 1:13 pm : link
even though he had the best 4/5 combo in the NBA by a healthy margin.
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giantsfan44ab : 4/18/2017 1:13 pm : link
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is giving him 30 million?

Mike Conley, a significantly better player, got 30 million.

I bet he gets what Noah gets.


You are mistaken.

Jeff Teague is expected to get $22-25M a year. Holiday is a substantial step up from Teague. Pelicans will offer him 5 years $150M. You can book that. It's up to Holiday whether he will take that or a max elsewhere.
Markkanen  
Deej : 4/18/2017 1:14 pm : link
I like him a lot as a prospect. But he needs to be a lot better than the alternative to be our pick given KP and Willy being here.
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giantsfan44ab : 4/18/2017 1:15 pm : link
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i mean i guess they could, sign holiday to big deal then sign his brother to mle but thats all they would be able to do


Well what else are they to do? There isn't a clear solution for NO. Trading cousins is their best way out of that mess but good luck with the owner approving that.
Really don't  
Jon in NYC : 4/18/2017 1:15 pm : link
think you're correct. I also don't know how much better Holiday is than Teague.
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