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Sy's prosepct grades?

cedwards : 4/17/2017 2:43 pm
Anyone have a scale which references Sy's grades on prospects. What round does a grade of 80 correlate to for example?
I would think 80s  
Big Blue '56 : 4/17/2017 2:52 pm : link
and above translates to first round
Here is a rough glimpse  
Sy'56 : 4/17/2017 2:53 pm : link
90+ Elite, All Pro Caliber...usually don't have more than a couple of these per year.

80+ 1st round

76-79 - Day 2

72-75 - Rounds 4/5

68-71 - Rounds 6-7
So just to take it one step further  
PatersonPlank : 4/17/2017 3:31 pm : link
Sy has 79/80 grades on 3 OT players, and maybe a G or two. This translates 4th o the bottom on day 1 roughly, which is where we pick. I don't think taking an OL player at #23 is a reach, and ceryainly fills a big need.
RE: Here is a rough glimpse  
est1986 : 4/17/2017 3:50 pm : link
In comment 13431561 Sy'56 said:
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90+ Elite, All Pro Caliber...usually don't have more than a couple of these per year.

80+ 1st round

76-79 - Day 2

72-75 - Rounds 4/5

68-71 - Rounds 6-7


Wonder how many 90's you've given in recent years and to whom and have any completely fooled you?
I'm not even sure I remember...  
Johnny5 : 4/17/2017 3:52 pm : link
... any 90's!
RE: RE: Here is a rough glimpse  
Mike in NY : 4/17/2017 3:54 pm : link
In comment 13431631 est1986 said:
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In comment 13431561 Sy'56 said:


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90+ Elite, All Pro Caliber...usually don't have more than a couple of these per year.

80+ 1st round

76-79 - Day 2

72-75 - Rounds 4/5

68-71 - Rounds 6-7



Wonder how many 90's you've given in recent years and to whom and have any completely fooled you?


I seem to recall the former Wake Forest LB Aaron Curry being rated highly by Sy and then busting
RE: RE: RE: Here is a rough glimpse  
TheMick7 : 4/17/2017 4:03 pm : link
In comment 13431640 Mike in NY said:
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In comment 13431631 est1986 said:


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In comment 13431561 Sy'56 said:


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90+ Elite, All Pro Caliber...usually don't have more than a couple of these per year.

80+ 1st round

76-79 - Day 2

72-75 - Rounds 4/5

68-71 - Rounds 6-7



Wonder how many 90's you've given in recent years and to whom and have any completely fooled you?



I seem to recall the former Wake Forest LB Aaron Curry being rated highly by Sy and then busting


Certainly not an exact science but if you were to do the research on all of Sy's picks,you might be amazed of how accurate he is overall & dead-on on some that the majority didn't! Seems kind of ridiculous to call him out on one of hundreds!
RE: RE: RE: RE: Here is a rough glimpse  
stillpoe : 4/17/2017 4:11 pm : link
In comment 13431649 TheMick7 said:
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In comment 13431640 Mike in NY said:


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In comment 13431631 est1986 said:


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In comment 13431561 Sy'56 said:


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90+ Elite, All Pro Caliber...usually don't have more than a couple of these per year.

80+ 1st round

76-79 - Day 2

72-75 - Rounds 4/5

68-71 - Rounds 6-7



Wonder how many 90's you've given in recent years and to whom and have any completely fooled you?



I seem to recall the former Wake Forest LB Aaron Curry being rated highly by Sy and then busting



Certainly not an exact science but if you were to do the research on all of Sy's picks,you might be amazed of how accurate he is overall & dead-on on some that the majority didn't! Seems kind of ridiculous to call him out on one of hundreds!


I agree. A lot of people were high on Curry in the league, so it's not like he was alone. I also recall Sy being high on Chris Borland and he was great in his one year with the niners. He also talked up a lot of the guys whom the Giants ended up picking last year (had great things to say about Shepard, Perkins, Goodson and Adams) so at least it shows his eye for talent.
Sy's Grades - 85+  
giants#1 : 4/17/2017 4:16 pm : link
2017 (no D grades posted yet)
David Njoku - 85 (I believe highest rated TE since Sy's been posting to BBI)

2016
Myles Jack - 92
Jalen Ramsey - 88
Deforest Buckner - 87
Joey Bosa - 87
Jared Goff - 86
Vernon Hargreaves - 85

2015
Leonard Williams - 89
Amari Cooper - 87
Kevin White - 85

2014
JaDeveon Clowney - 93
Justin Gilbert - 86
Calvin Pryor III - 86
Aaron Donald - 85
Sammy Watkins - 85
Jordan Matthews - 85

2013
Star Lotulelei - 91
Dee Milliner - 90
Eric Fisher - 90
Luke Joeckel - 88
Sheldon Richardson - 87
Tavon Austin - 86
Cordarelle Patterson - 85
Dion Jordan - 85

So just five 90+ grades in the 4+ years he's been posting them and 3 of those were the first year he did it so his grading may have gotten more conservative since then.
BBI Draft Section - ( New Window )
EVERYONE, not just Sy'56  
est1986 : 4/17/2017 4:58 pm : link
Was wrong about Curry..
RE: Sy's Grades - 85+  
est1986 : 4/17/2017 4:59 pm : link
In comment 13431663 giants#1 said:
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2017 (no D grades posted yet)
David Njoku - 85 (I believe highest rated TE since Sy's been posting to BBI)

2016
Myles Jack - 92
Jalen Ramsey - 88
Deforest Buckner - 87
Joey Bosa - 87
Jared Goff - 86
Vernon Hargreaves - 85

2015
Leonard Williams - 89
Amari Cooper - 87
Kevin White - 85

2014
JaDeveon Clowney - 93
Justin Gilbert - 86
Calvin Pryor III - 86
Aaron Donald - 85
Sammy Watkins - 85
Jordan Matthews - 85

2013
Star Lotulelei - 91
Dee Milliner - 90
Eric Fisher - 90
Luke Joeckel - 88
Sheldon Richardson - 87
Tavon Austin - 86
Cordarelle Patterson - 85
Dion Jordan - 85

So just five 90+ grades in the 4+ years he's been posting them and 3 of those were the first year he did it so his grading may have gotten more conservative since then. BBI Draft Section - ( New Window )


Thanks, cool.
Dee Millner  
est1986 : 4/17/2017 4:59 pm : link
Was a straight bust too.
I remember one year  
allstarjim : 4/17/2017 5:17 pm : link
I argued with Sy about Bjoern Werner, who I thought was going to be a great player in the league, and Sy said he wasn't going to amount to anything. Werner played 38 career games, last in 2015, and had 6.5 sacks. He just retired in January (is it really retiring if nobody is interested and you haven't played in the league in over a year?). The Colts had taken him at 24 overall in the 2013 draft. I liked Werner for the Giants.

Sy liked Datone Jones. He went 26th to the Packers. Just was signed by Minnesota on a prove it deal (Pack did not pick up his 5th year option). Sy was right. While Jones hasn't turned into a star, he is clearly talented and just hasn't been able to translate that with opportunity and health matching up. But at least he's still playing in the league, whereas Werner was a total bust.
Last year after the draft I actually went back  
CT Charlie : 4/17/2017 5:28 pm : link
and listed the first rounders with Sy's grades. His evaluations were excellent -- and better predictors of how the draft played out than those of the better known draft "experts."
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