Why is this interesting?
That is because Robinson, Auburn, OT, who was drafted #2 in the 2014 draft, has been a bust.
Robinson was considered to be a sure fire All Pro prospect and the top rated offensive line prospect in the last 10 years.
He was significantly rated ahead of many other linemen including Zach Martin.
In reading reviews of Robinson and Zach Martin it was not close. Martin was considered to be a marginal first rounder.
Please keep this in mind when you look at this years draft prospects.
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Something to consider if a notable OL is on the board at 23.
Zach Martin had a grade of 59.7 by NFL.com and a first-second round pick.
Zach Martin had a grade of 59.7 by NFL.com and a first-second round pick.
Meh, everyone knew he was going before 15..
This. I hadnt heard of Martin slipping past pick 15.
Zach Martin had a grade of 59.7 by NFL.com and a first-second round pick.
1. NFL doesnt grade players on a double digit scale
2. Martin's grade at NFL.com was 6.2
3. Martin's grade was the 16th best in his draft class per NFL.com
4. NFL.com's draft projection for him was "Round 1".
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Should we remember Zach Martin or Robinson?
Martin is graded at 5.97 which was a low first high second grade.
This grade is lower than Ramzyk 6.2,, Lamp 6.2, Robinson, and Bolles 6.0
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Its the single greatest under-measured attribute contributing to success on the field.
That being said...I get your primary point.
Yup. No pick is safe. If any GM knew the secret to safe and not safe they'd go down as the greatest ever. Talent is a neccesary component but every single successful pro athlete seems to possess some singular rare quality that eludes scouting or vetting. It's fascinating really.
Having said that - I definitely recall that early in the draft Martin was mocked much lower and as the draft grew closer he was starting to be mocked much higher. I wasn't even sure he would make it to us, but thought it was probable. I really didn't think Donald would fall to us either.
I wanted Martin and Allen Robinson in the 2nd rd.
What's crazy is both players were available when we picked. Figured we would go OLine rd 1 and WR rd 2. Instead,it was the opposite.
Yeah that is not even close in my book. Im glad Reese is our guy.
Yeah that is not even close in my book. Im glad Reese is our guy.
Me too.
Yes, Beckham is a great player.
This. So manu people go by early "reports" by the supposed gurus. Martin rose up and was a concensus first Rd lock come draft day once legit info got out
Martin is graded at 5.97 which was a low first high second grade.
This grade is lower than Ramzyk 6.2,, Lamp 6.2, Robinson, and Bolles 6.0
I know it's weird that the grades don't match, but - for whatever reason - his Prospect Profile has a grade of 6.23, with a Round Projection of clear first-round pick. FWIW, the 6.23 grade still put Martin behind Robinson (7.4), Matthews (7.2) and Lewan (6.3) in the 2014 OL class, basically because Martin was devalued for a near-certain move to guard.
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I think that NFL.com changes their ratings after the draft.
The profiles how ever do not change.
It is like cheating on the exam. They know the answers and they change their grades to match the possition drafted.
I think between Oline, Dline and QB, it's a crap shoot.
one year deal...Let's see what he can do around here.
A lot of people had the Giants taking him, and he was a preferred pick for many of us, along with Donald.
Yes, Beckham is a great player.
Is it more of an impact though? And I'm arguably the number one Beckham fan on here, but this team was under .500 in the Beckham era until they got a defense in the field worth a damn., And even then the offense still struggled even when you add Richburg to that. Giants fans certainly have no reason to feel like you need to have a top 3 WR to win a championship with. Its not like you're going from the penthouse to the outhouse by changing out Robinson for Beckham. Bortles essentially played his way out of a job last season.
And it goes without saying that Martin would be by far the best player on this offensive line.
this is exactly how Sy describes and grades Cam
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with a sub-900 yard season so which WR is he? I realize his QB is below average but I wouldn't want that downgrade just to have a pro bowl guard. Martin is great at what he does but Beckhams talent and production is much more of an impact. So yeah, not very close for me.
Is it more of an impact though? And I'm arguably the number one Beckham fan on here, but this team was under .500 in the Beckham era until they got a defense in the field worth a damn., And even then the offense still struggled even when you add Richburg to that. Giants fans certainly have no reason to feel like you need to have a top 3 WR to win a championship with. Its not like you're going from the penthouse to the outhouse by changing out Robinson for Beckham. Bortles essentially played his way out of a job last season.
And it goes without saying that Martin would be by far the best player on this offensive line.
I don't think you need a top 3 WR to win a SB, I just don't know how good Allen Robinson really is since he's had what seems like a fluke year in 2015. Hard to gauge due to the team he plays for, but its certainly worth noting.
In the end at top 3 WR makes a larger impact than a top Guard or even the top Guard. I'd rather the downgrade at Guard than the downgrade at WR.