but they were also genuinely interested in Conklin and Apple. It isn't a secret they value pass rushers and Floyd was at the top of that list respective to where they were picking. But, he was light, and had stamina/injury concerns which I'm sure he got dinged for in our scoring.
Anyone suggesting that our interest was telegraphed and that the Bears pulled a fast one on us isn't paying attention.
I think that the Giants got burned last year by the loose talk about who the Giants will or will not take. I think that they have done a much better job at not publicly focusing in on 1 or 2 players and this is another example of that smoke screen.
I honestly think the Giants had zero intention of drafting Floyd. Conk? Yes. Floyd didnt make sense
You should rethink that. I'm not 90 or 95 percent on that. I'm 100.
I think that the Giants got burned last year by the loose talk about who the Giants will or will not take. I think that they have done a much better job at not publicly focusing in on 1 or 2 players and this is another example of that smoke screen.
I honestly think the Giants had zero intention of drafting Floyd. Conk? Yes. Floyd didnt make sense
You should rethink that. I'm not 90 or 95 percent on that. I'm 100.
If that's the case, then there's a shot at taking a LB at 23
I think that the Giants got burned last year by the loose talk about who the Giants will or will not take. I think that they have done a much better job at not publicly focusing in on 1 or 2 players and this is another example of that smoke screen.
I honestly think the Giants had zero intention of drafting Floyd. Conk? Yes. Floyd didnt make sense
You should rethink that. I'm not 90 or 95 percent on that. I'm 100.
Hey Jordan,
When we getting a list of guys you think NYG will take at 23? I still think Njoku is a possibility. Cancelling his visit? Makes everyone think they aren't interested. Your thoughts on Lamp, Bowser, Davis and Willis?
I think that the Giants got burned last year by the loose talk about who the Giants will or will not take. I think that they have done a much better job at not publicly focusing in on 1 or 2 players and this is another example of that smoke screen.
I honestly think the Giants had zero intention of drafting Floyd. Conk? Yes. Floyd didnt make sense
You should rethink that. I'm not 90 or 95 percent on that. I'm 100.
Why would I rethink that? It was just an educated guess on my part. Floyd as a top 10 pick flies in the face of what the Giants normally look for in a DE and certainly a LBer. He was 25 year old rookie, he was a tweener, he was light in the ass and he got hirt at both workouts. If you have it on good authority that that was the guy they favored (and I def believe you do), then I stand corrected. More over, I am appalled that they would make it that obvious who they favored so that not 1 but 2 teams could leapfrog them to take the guy the wanted. Hopefully they dont do the same thing with Bowser and lose out on him too.
Just because Paul Dottino was on the NFL Network a week or so before the draft telling everyone who would listen that the Giants were in love with Leonard Floyd doesn't mean that the Giants were really in love with Leonard Floyd, does it? Does it? Hmmmm?
He turned 24 during his rookie year and he's more than just a LB, or just a DE, and he was damn good as a rookie.
The idea of "what the Giants traditionally look for" is silly (didn't they draft a 24 year old Ross in round 1?) especially with a game that has changed quite a bit in the last 10 years.
Also trying to put together some kind of draft history of player type or positions over a 10 year period is kind of useless too.
Was David Wilson a "traditional" first rounder or RB drafted by the Giants? Was Beckham?
Engram is so explosive he's on everybody's list this year. The only thing that drops his value is the depth of the draft class at this position.
When Dottino (who works for the Giants, doesn't he?) goes on Path to the Draft and says flat-out that the Giants are in love with Leonard Floyd, it's more than just speculation by your garden variety beat writer trying to read the tea leaves.
Either P-Dot and the Giants are the absolute dumbest of dumbasses for letting the entire league know that they were interested in Floyd, or it was part of a "false flag" operation, where the Giants weren't really interested in Floyd, but sent Dottino out to spread the word that they were.
The guy doesn't work for the Giants. And he wasn't the only guy.
And what was the point? To entice the Bears to move up so we can get our #1 target Apple?
He was the only guy who regularly appears on their website, so much so that I thought he worked for the team.
And he wasn't speculating...he wasn't saying that the Giants might be interested in Floyd...he stated categorically that they loved him. It shocked me so much at the time that I posted about it. Why the hell would he do that?
After the draft the Giants didn't act like they got their #1 target.
If they wanted Floyd, they got it right because he was outstanding as a rookie. And we needed a 3rd pass rush option. We still need pass rush hekp so it could be one at 23.
I do like Engram too at that spot. He would fit right in on any NFL offense. It's not hard to find a way to use a faster and more explosive Reed. And that's what he is.
I really wanted Conklin, but I would have settled for Decker. Apple, to me, was way out of left field. It just seems very strange to me that the Giants' interest in Floyd - if legitimate - was so overt. "Loose lips sink ships," ya know.
When Dottino (who works for the Giants, doesn't he?) goes on Path to the Draft and says flat-out that the Giants are in love with Leonard Floyd, it's more than just speculation by your garden variety beat writer trying to read the tea leaves.
Either P-Dot and the Giants are the absolute dumbest of dumbasses for letting the entire league know that they were interested in Floyd, or it was part of a "false flag" operation, where the Giants weren't really interested in Floyd, but sent Dottino out to spread the word that they were.
Who knows?
Considering their supposed interest in Bowser and Willis this year (who represent a similar skill set to Floyd), I would have a hard time believing that the Giants went from smokescreen to genuine interest from last year to this year. So, is this year a smokescreen too?
I think some of you guys give the Giants FO too much credit - their targets have leaked out a lot over the years. Not every year, so it's not systemic, but often enough that I think it's wishful thinking to give them credit for a smokescreen campaign.
'I really wanted Conklin, but I would have settled for Decker'...
That said Apple looks promising. Has some things to improve on but has the athletic tools. Looks like the #1 rookie CB out of last years Draft so the Giants got value.
Who appear on their official media platforms blab about how much they love a certain draft prospects?
When you consider how nobody in the front office ever says anything of direct substance, if Dottino or anyone else was spilling state secrets they didn't want out there they would've put a stop to it. And Dottino has a self preservation interest in keeping his gig.
were saying for months that Apple checked every damn box for a Giants CB, and they needed a CB. I felt he would be the top CB on their board.I believe JonC said the same.
were saying for months that Apple checked every damn box for a Giants CB, and they needed a CB. I felt he would be the top CB on their board.I believe JonC said the same.
It wasn't out of "left field" for all of us.
Did I say it was, or did I use the phrase, "to me?"
Anyone suggesting that our interest was telegraphed and that the Bears pulled a fast one on us isn't paying attention.
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I think that the Giants got burned last year by the loose talk about who the Giants will or will not take. I think that they have done a much better job at not publicly focusing in on 1 or 2 players and this is another example of that smoke screen.
I honestly think the Giants had zero intention of drafting Floyd. Conk? Yes. Floyd didnt make sense
You should rethink that. I'm not 90 or 95 percent on that. I'm 100.
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I think that the Giants got burned last year by the loose talk about who the Giants will or will not take. I think that they have done a much better job at not publicly focusing in on 1 or 2 players and this is another example of that smoke screen.
I honestly think the Giants had zero intention of drafting Floyd. Conk? Yes. Floyd didnt make sense
You should rethink that. I'm not 90 or 95 percent on that. I'm 100.
If that's the case, then there's a shot at taking a LB at 23
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In comment 13432108 JohnB said:
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I think that the Giants got burned last year by the loose talk about who the Giants will or will not take. I think that they have done a much better job at not publicly focusing in on 1 or 2 players and this is another example of that smoke screen.
I honestly think the Giants had zero intention of drafting Floyd. Conk? Yes. Floyd didnt make sense
You should rethink that. I'm not 90 or 95 percent on that. I'm 100.
Hey Jordan,
When we getting a list of guys you think NYG will take at 23? I still think Njoku is a possibility. Cancelling his visit? Makes everyone think they aren't interested. Your thoughts on Lamp, Bowser, Davis and Willis?
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I think that the Giants got burned last year by the loose talk about who the Giants will or will not take. I think that they have done a much better job at not publicly focusing in on 1 or 2 players and this is another example of that smoke screen.
I honestly think the Giants had zero intention of drafting Floyd. Conk? Yes. Floyd didnt make sense
You should rethink that. I'm not 90 or 95 percent on that. I'm 100.
Why would I rethink that? It was just an educated guess on my part. Floyd as a top 10 pick flies in the face of what the Giants normally look for in a DE and certainly a LBer. He was 25 year old rookie, he was a tweener, he was light in the ass and he got hirt at both workouts. If you have it on good authority that that was the guy they favored (and I def believe you do), then I stand corrected. More over, I am appalled that they would make it that obvious who they favored so that not 1 but 2 teams could leapfrog them to take the guy the wanted. Hopefully they dont do the same thing with Bowser and lose out on him too.
The idea of "what the Giants traditionally look for" is silly (didn't they draft a 24 year old Ross in round 1?) especially with a game that has changed quite a bit in the last 10 years.
Also trying to put together some kind of draft history of player type or positions over a 10 year period is kind of useless too.
Was David Wilson a "traditional" first rounder or RB drafted by the Giants? Was Beckham?
Engram is so explosive he's on everybody's list this year. The only thing that drops his value is the depth of the draft class at this position.
Either P-Dot and the Giants are the absolute dumbest of dumbasses for letting the entire league know that they were interested in Floyd, or it was part of a "false flag" operation, where the Giants weren't really interested in Floyd, but sent Dottino out to spread the word that they were.
Who knows?
And what was the point? To entice the Bears to move up so we can get our #1 target Apple?
And what was the point? To entice the Bears to move up so we can get our #1 target Apple?
He was the only guy who regularly appears on their website, so much so that I thought he worked for the team.
And he wasn't speculating...he wasn't saying that the Giants might be interested in Floyd...he stated categorically that they loved him. It shocked me so much at the time that I posted about it. Why the hell would he do that?
If they wanted Floyd, they got it right because he was outstanding as a rookie. And we needed a 3rd pass rush option. We still need pass rush hekp so it could be one at 23.
I do like Engram too at that spot. He would fit right in on any NFL offense. It's not hard to find a way to use a faster and more explosive Reed. And that's what he is.
Either P-Dot and the Giants are the absolute dumbest of dumbasses for letting the entire league know that they were interested in Floyd, or it was part of a "false flag" operation, where the Giants weren't really interested in Floyd, but sent Dottino out to spread the word that they were.
Who knows?
Considering their supposed interest in Bowser and Willis this year (who represent a similar skill set to Floyd), I would have a hard time believing that the Giants went from smokescreen to genuine interest from last year to this year. So, is this year a smokescreen too?
I think some of you guys give the Giants FO too much credit - their targets have leaked out a lot over the years. Not every year, so it's not systemic, but often enough that I think it's wishful thinking to give them credit for a smokescreen campaign.
Agreed on all fronts.
That said Apple looks promising. Has some things to improve on but has the athletic tools. Looks like the #1 rookie CB out of last years Draft so the Giants got value.
When you consider how nobody in the front office ever says anything of direct substance, if Dottino or anyone else was spilling state secrets they didn't want out there they would've put a stop to it. And Dottino has a self preservation interest in keeping his gig.
It wasn't out of "left field" for all of us.
It wasn't out of "left field" for all of us.
Did I say it was, or did I use the phrase, "to me?"