So here's where I'm confused. Last week, Ernie accidentally hears Jimmy confess on Chuck's tape recorder. Chuck makes it absolutely clear to Ernie that he's can't tell anyone.
But this week, Chuck is working this angle, the success of which relies on Jimmy finding out about the tape, and breaking into Chuck's house to destroy it. How does Chuck imagine that Jimmy will even find out about the tape, if he told Ernie to keep quiet about it? Is there a detail here that's so obvious that I'm missing it?
I know Jimmy damn near got Chuck killed, but Chuck is still a contemptible POS.
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Well played. Hadnt noticed that
The only reason he's here is to play the part of Jimmy's kryptonite. Jimmy is obviously a quality mind, but he goes insane around Chuck. The show goes overboard pointing out how Jimmy knows people. Witness his ability to suss out a superior secretary with a single question. Witness his ability to con just about anyone. But he can't figure out Chuck, and down the line (spoiler alert), he can't figure out Walt.
and it was riveting. People who don't like slow plots would not have liked last night's episode.
I was wondering if that was her. I couldn't remember.
No matter what Chuck is trying to do to Jimmy, we know he is found not guilty. I would assume if he was guilty of charges he would lose his license to practice law and then we wouldn't get Saul.
I know Jimmy damn near got Chuck killed, but Chuck is still a contemptible POS.
VICTOR!!!!!!
For what reason did Chuck have for thinking that Ernie was in on the plot with Jimmy?
The only reason he's here is to play the part of Jimmy's kryptonite. Jimmy is obviously a quality mind, but he goes insane around Chuck. The show goes overboard pointing out how Jimmy knows people. Witness his ability to suss out a superior secretary with a single question. Witness his ability to con just about anyone. But he can't figure out Chuck, and down the line (spoiler alert), he can't figure out Walt.
I don't know for sure, but it might be that easy to get rid of a founding partner to a law firm.
I don't know for sure, but it might be that easy to get rid of a founding partner to a law firm. [/quote]
Might not be, rather.
It's easy to hate Chuck. We like Jimmy and have history with him. He's smooth, funny, charming, and the underdog of the show to date. But, we have to remember from Chuck's perspective - Jimmy stole from his father, always cut corners, always got by on charm and BS, and worst of all breaks the law Chuck lives to serve. He's not entirely wrong about all that.
Jimmy is a con man. He obeys the law when convenient to use it, but dodges it when it's not. He lies to people as a matter of course if it suits him. He can do great damage, like letting meth cooks and scumbags get off. Chuck sees that. ("...a chimp with a machine gun.") It just so happens Chuck is an uptight, arrogant, spiteful ass who needs to always be right. But he's not wrong.
In fact, trying to follow along with Mike chasing the bad guy all over the place made me feel "slow".
Great show. And it's also very interesting to see Mike so vulnerable at the hands of Gus. You didn't see any indication that Mike would ever make a mistake in BB (other than his last episode with WW). He's sort of learning on the job right now and it's fascinating.
That's awesome...I feel like I catch only about 50% of those little nuggets
I simply don't see it. they don't show him at all being some sort of super lawyer. Granted, they depict the partner as a total buffoon, so maybe Chuck is needed to keep the firm alive, but Chuck does not show any real ability. He did have his moment with Mesa Verde, but I thought the whole thing was hokey.
Don't mean to be a nay sayer. I'm on the fence regarding the show. at times, it is brilliant. other times, it's a real snooze. I see Chuck as more of a character on the show who is there to serve a purpose rather than being an integral part of the show. a McGuffet, as Alfred Hitchcock put it, something which doesn't need to make sense, but an object to work a plot around.
It's obvious how Jimmy becomes Saul. How Mike gets to be Mike. the main point of interest is how they write off Chuck and Kim and get on with the show.
I simply don't see it. they don't show him at all being some sort of super lawyer. Granted, they depict the partner as a total buffoon, so maybe Chuck is needed to keep the firm alive, but Chuck does not show any real ability. He did have his moment with Mesa Verde, but I thought the whole thing was hokey.
Don't mean to be a nay sayer. I'm on the fence regarding the show. at times, it is brilliant. other times, it's a real snooze. I see Chuck as more of a character on the show who is there to serve a purpose rather than being an integral part of the show. a McGuffet, as Alfred Hitchcock put it, something which doesn't need to make sense, but an object to work a plot around.
When we're dealing with a character who's left his home perhaps 5 times and struggles mightily with a syndrome, when do you expect to see evidence of him being a "super lawyer"? More importantly, WHY do you need to see this? I also completely disagree that Howard is a "total buffoon". I do agree that Chuck is there to serve a purpose (making Jimmy into Saul), but your complaints about the character don't seem particularly important or difficult to overcome IMO.
Hot to cute. It depends on the angel, shot she is in.
She's "business-hot."
Even if he wasn't skating by on reputation at this point, if he's an equity partner in his firm (which he almost certainly is), then getting rid of him isn't as simple as getting rid of the janitor.
As someone else said, the show picks up well after his super lawyer days are over, so you won't see it now. To me, Jimmy is also Chuck's Kryptonite. He can't let it go. And it may be that how Chuck's wife left him had something to do with Jimmy, as that seems to be the thing that F'ed Chuck up so badly. Chuck's anger toward Jimmy is irrational, and goes back to their childhoods. And it WAS telling that Chuck knew Jimmy would come for the tape, but was way off on how. He always sees Jimmy in the worst light. His feelings about Jimmy blind him to even good things Jimmy did like putting himself through law school at night.
The whole show (at least the first chapters) is about how Jimmy becomes Saul. It's more character study than action show. I think it's interesting. Acording to the Podcast about the show, they expected the show to be more humor and Saul being Saul. That's the "Mork and Mindy" direction, a show about the Saul's antics as a scummy lawyer. But, as they began to get into it, they became more interested in giving him depth, so you actually care about Saul. So, this is more of a spin off like "Fraiser", complete with foil brother, where you learn more about the character, his depth and his family that made him who he is. So, everything in the show is about how Jimmy becomes Saul. If that issue is no longer of interest, I'm not sure I'd watch. You're on season 3, I think by now your sold or your not into it. Getting rid of Chuck and Kim is easy. He's on unsteady ground with both all the time. They can kill Chuck off, or make this split with Jimmy here be so bad and deep that they they disown one another. Kim can get caught up in the wash of all that and just break with Jimmy, too. Or, worse, Chuck really hurts Kim in the process of hurting Jimmy, and Jimmy disowns Chuck or tortures him (think how vulnerable Chuck is given his electronics issues how how severely they affect him).
I think it's interesting to see how this all unfolds, how Jimmy gets wrapped up with Mike and Gus and turns to Saul. To me, the attention the writers pay to all this, the way they let it unfold, that is the fun of the how. I enjoy the enjoy watching a show runner and writers that bring their A game every week.
These are great writers who care about character, and unlike many shows, they really try to keep things internally consistent in this world and their characters, with few if any "cheap" outs. They write themselves into corners all the time and don't go for the easy out. Compare it to Walking Dead where the writers are forever inconsistent internally (they constantly forget covering themselves with walker guts makes them invisible to walkers) and cheap tricks and weird choices inconsistent with character abound.
I think it would also be interesting if, in a season or 2 as we get into where BB starts in the timeline, they jump ahead and we see how he extricates himself from his current circle of hell as Cinnabon purveyor to resume his life as Saul. It has the potential to be a prequel and sequel to BB in one.
Saul will then b come Saul from Jimmy
Saul will then b come Saul from Jimmy
It's going to be interesting to see how that plays out. I think something tragic is going to occur to explain why Chuck and Kim are not a part of Jimmy's life anymore.
I've thought from the beginning, that Cinnabon Saul can be a start of a new 'spin off'. People think of CS as a destination (like How I met your mother), but there's a whole world of possibility there. I'm guessing by time they get there, the show will have run it's course and Cinnabon Saul will be as dead as Walt.
In the beginning of the show, Jimmy is trying so hard to walk the straight line, and its against who he is internally, but I can't stop thinking that if Chuck just gave him some encouragement or a pat on the back when he did something right, instead of recent him, Jimmy wouldn't go to the darkside.
Chuck is too black and white, and being that way, he is just as bad as Jimmy is. He clearly only cares about being right. Chuck started getting sick when Jimmy got his Law Degree and passed the bar. He won't be better until Jimmy is no longer a lawyer.
Kim is probably going to get her name dragged through the mud due to this stupid event, and Chuck doesn't care. Jimmy is essentially going to ruin Kim's life and get her disbarred.
Chuck has always been sick on BCS. the show opened with Jimmy announcing his law degree and Chuck already being a recluse. It comes as a surprise to Chuck that Jimmy was doing law school and had passed the bar. Chuck did diss Jimmy's method of becoming a lawyer, espousing night school/correspondence courses being a sub par education.
It'll be interesting to see the part of Chuck's marital status play from here. one episode from a previous season had Chuck getting jealous over the then wife getting along with Jimmy, and in this last episode, Jimmy blurts out something about why it took so long for her to leave Chuck. These things happen for a reason on the show.
I actually think that might be what ended up happening to Kim for some reason.
Chuck has always been sick on BCS. the show opened with Jimmy announcing his law degree and Chuck already being a recluse. It comes as a surprise to Chuck that Jimmy was doing law school and had passed the bar. Chuck did diss Jimmy's method of becoming a lawyer, espousing night school/correspondence courses being a sub par education.
It'll be interesting to see the part of Chuck's marital status play from here. one episode from a previous season had Chuck getting jealous over the then wife getting along with Jimmy, and in this last episode, Jimmy blurts out something about why it took so long for her to leave Chuck. These things happen for a reason on the show.
Chuck got sick after Jimmy got his law degree. He's basically sick because he has anxiety over Jimmy being a servant of the law. Last years flash backs with chuck under the huge lights were hinting at it.
I'm sort of assuming that Mike takes the place of the guy in the last BCS episode who is doing all the pick-ups while Mike trails him through the night - eventually ending up outside LPH. That's going to be Mike's role moving forward - basically Gus' right hand man. And that's how the connection to Jimmy/Saul is made for Walter White to take advantage of.
I'm sort of assuming that Mike takes the place of the guy in the last BCS episode who is doing all the pick-ups while Mike trails him through the night - eventually ending up outside LPH. That's going to be Mike's role moving forward - basically Gus' right hand man. And that's how the connection to Jimmy/Saul is made for Walter White to take advantage of.
That's a great guess. Knowing Gus, since his pick up guy gave him away, it's time to cut bait and replace him.
Great observation.
Kim on the other hand, I have no idea. I feel like she'll get disbarred somehow or might have to move from bad publicity from Jimmy going to jail.
Steve, I said the same thing yesterday @ 12:47 post.
So, whatever they get him on now will obviously be dismissed. Maybe his defense is that Chuck is crazy. Won't be too hard to prove.
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happens between Better Call Saul and Breaking Bad to turn Jimmy into Saul I cannot imagine is something on such a grand scale as murder / criminal. Jimmy works and practices in Albuquerque in both shows. He has previously been employed by two of the largest firms in the area and has his face has been plastered on television with ad's & billboards as Jimmy McGill (he's publically known). In Breaking Bad he is even more well known publically (Jesse & Walt know him even before ever meeting him from commercials). If Chuck is successful in his attempt to get Jimmy barred from Law or criminally in trouble with that tape then simply changing his name isn't going to escape him from the past enough to start practicing law again. If Chuck or Kim are murdered because of his doing, again H.H.M. & Davis & Main are going to have major suspicion of the one guy who ties those two people together that they know unquestionably just changing his name and going about his career in town. Something more subtle on a public scale but heart wrenching is going to have to happen to cause Jimmy to turn into Saul in my opinion.
Steve, I said the same thing yesterday @ 12:47 post.
So, whatever they get him on now will obviously be dismissed. Maybe his defense is that Chuck is crazy. Won't be too hard to prove.
Real simple. My brother is crazy and I do things to make him less crazy and I got upset because I am over here helping him all the time and he is here trying to frame for crap I didn't do. I have every right to be upset at my brother.
Doesn't matter if it is the tape... Howard already said he's not going to use it. What they could get him for is forcing his way into the home, destroying property, and threatening to burn down the house.
HHM wanted to distance themselves from Chuck but they don't want him gone. The first episode of the show Jimmy is meeting with Howard trying to get Howard to pay out Chuck's share which he cant do because the firm cant afford to pay him out. They rather him be an invalid locked up in his home, but don't want him gone and taking his equity in the company. Howard's fear was that Jimmy would have Chuck committed and use power of attorney to force HHM to buy him out, as that would bankrupt the firm. Jimmy "does the right thing" and only uses the power of attorney to get the tests done Chuck needs but does not have Chuck committed to collect the money despite what Chuck and Howard expect him to do. This goes back to the final episode of the first season when Jimmy comes to the realization that he held millions of dollars in his hand and did the right thing and gave it back. He says when given the opportunity again he will never make that mistake again. Next time Chuck has an episode, Jimmy will again have the opportunity in his hands for the mega-payout from HHM, bankrupting them and taking the money.
I think its been said that if Chuck were to cash out, the firm would go belly up.
On the flip side, if Chuck had acted as a proud older brother, there is a chance that Jimmy might have straightened himself out.
Honestly, at that point, two years ago, Jimmy switched over to Saul. But they decided to drag out the story line another couple of years when Jimmy will (hopefully, who knows, we'll see how the ratings go) reach the same exact point he did after throwing away a lucrative big time lawyer gig and leaving Mike in the photo hut booth..
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that the tape Jimmy destroyed wasn't "The Tape?"
Doesn't matter if it is the tape... Howard already said he's not going to use it. What they could get him for is forcing his way into the home, destroying property, and threatening to burn down the house.
This isn't true at all. He said he wasn't going to use the tape at a time when the tape was all that was available as evidence. Once Jimmy did all of the things you just noted he did, it proves he believes the tape to be real and incriminating. That gives the tape as evidence far more value in court than it did before.
If that wasn't the actual tape, then the real one would certainly be back on the table, I'd think.
I think we know he doesn't get disbarred, right? He was a practicing attorney in Breaking bad which is probably after all the Chuck stuff.
Unless he gets his license back after a while or is simply practicing law without a license or viewed changing his name from Jimmy to Saul as a way to get a fake license under a different name.
I doubt it's CS, but it could be. If I were the writer, I'd go there. be a nice twist. he fainted and would have had the authorities called in, and perhaps found out.
This isn't true at all. He said he wasn't going to use the tape at a time when the tape was all that was available as evidence. Once Jimmy did all of the things you just noted he did, it proves he believes the tape to be real and incriminating. That gives the tape as evidence far more value in court than it did before.
If that wasn't the actual tape, then the real one would certainly be back on the table, I'd think.
The problem with that is there's no way to prove the intent. We (the viewers) and the characters know that was the actual intent, but I don't recall Jimmy explicitly saying that. I thought most of what he said was incredulity about being taped... not admitting whether the statements on the tape were true or false. I could be wrong though about what he said. I'll have to watch that scene again.
The problem with that is there's no way to prove the intent. We (the viewers) and the characters know that was the actual intent, but I don't recall Jimmy explicitly saying that. I thought most of what he said was incredulity about being taped... not admitting whether the statements on the tape were true or false. I could be wrong though about what he said. I'll have to watch that scene again. [/quote]
Considering that the scheme Chuck dreamed up to corner Jimmy in the first place was pretty far-fetched, I'm thinking they might be playing fast and loose with the legalities here.
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This isn't true at all. He said he wasn't going to use the tape at a time when the tape was all that was available as evidence. Once Jimmy did all of the things you just noted he did, it proves he believes the tape to be real and incriminating. That gives the tape as evidence far more value in court than it did before.
If that wasn't the actual tape, then the real one would certainly be back on the table, I'd think.
The problem with that is there's no way to prove the intent. We (the viewers) and the characters know that was the actual intent, but I don't recall Jimmy explicitly saying that. I thought most of what he said was incredulity about being taped... not admitting whether the statements on the tape were true or false. I could be wrong though about what he said. I'll have to watch that scene again.
Or it could be viewed as Jimmy getting very upset with his brother that he is trying to take care of, and all he wants to do is bring his own brother down no matter what.