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NFT: Mets talk 4/18 Wheelz up!

ZGiants98 : 4/18/2017 9:30 am
-Mets take on Phillies with Wheeler on the hill tonight. Will face Zack Eflin

-Mets look to rebound off three crushing losses

-Lugo to begin throwing today

-Familia expected back Thursday (will not be eased into closing role)

-Mets quietly worried about Reyes

-LGM!
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Eflin is all over the place, walks three batters in the inning, comes  
PhiPsi125 : 4/18/2017 7:50 pm : link
up violently swinging away into the predictable out. Sit his ass down please.
Eflin is going to get sawed in half next time through  
ZGiants98 : 4/18/2017 7:57 pm : link
Cespedes, Bruce, Walker, and Duda. That's my prediction.
Free TDA  
spike : 4/18/2017 8:09 pm : link
From the 8 hole
Man. Wheeler looks gassed tonight or something...  
ZGiants98 : 4/18/2017 8:11 pm : link
Not throwing as hard as his last start
And....  
ZGiants98 : 4/18/2017 8:22 pm : link
My prediction was wrong. lol
Nice double by  
ZGiants98 : 4/18/2017 8:38 pm : link
Reyes.
he's gone up to 96, not too worried  
CMicks3110 : 4/18/2017 8:40 pm : link
..
Wheelers inning limit may not end up  
bhill410 : 4/18/2017 8:47 pm : link
Being an issue since he can't pitch more than 5 innings
Yeah Wheeler definitely rebounded and looked better  
ZGiants98 : 4/18/2017 8:49 pm : link
the last couple of innings. Nice to see him make 5 at least.
Smoker has been pretty studly  
PhiPsi125 : 4/18/2017 9:14 pm : link
And he has a cool last name.
RE: Smoker has been pretty studly  
ZGiants98 : 4/18/2017 9:16 pm : link
In comment 13433568 PhiPsi125 said:
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And he has a cool last name.


:)
.  
ZGiants98 : 4/18/2017 9:18 pm : link
Jeesh  
Rflairr : 4/18/2017 9:56 pm : link
Reyes
Seriously, fuck Reyes.  
PhiPsi125 : 4/18/2017 9:56 pm : link
Such a waste of a player right now all around.
Are you fucking kidding me???  
timintey : 4/18/2017 9:56 pm : link
God dammit Reyes!
Lol  
sshin05 : 4/18/2017 9:57 pm : link
This has the makings of a loss
Terry  
Rflairr : 4/18/2017 10:01 pm : link
Needs to stay away from using Salas until like the weekend.This guy is going to be completely toast before the all star break
Montero blows  
CMicks3110 : 4/18/2017 10:43 pm : link
.
Lol this team  
PhiPsi125 : 4/18/2017 10:44 pm : link
This shitty offense is killing the Mets bullpen.
RE: Lol this team  
Rflairr : 4/18/2017 10:48 pm : link
In comment 13433680 PhiPsi125 said:
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This shitty offense is killing the Mets bullpen.


They struggle when they can't get a HR. Discouraging to keep seeing them get shut down by mediocre pitching
TDA  
Rflairr : 4/18/2017 10:48 pm : link
catch the ball. Damn
Boy does that sweep  
Stufftherun : 4/18/2017 10:50 pm : link
in Philly feel like a long time ago.
RE: Lol this team  
timintey : 4/18/2017 10:51 pm : link
In comment 13433680 PhiPsi125 said:
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This shitty offense is killing the Mets bullpen.

Exactly! Another 4 fuckin hits tonight!!! So frustrating
RE: RE: Lol this team  
PhiPsi125 : 4/18/2017 10:51 pm : link
In comment 13433681 Rflairr said:
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In comment 13433680 PhiPsi125 said:


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This shitty offense is killing the Mets bullpen.



They struggle when they can't get a HR. Discouraging to keep seeing them get shut down by mediocre pitching


The more things change, the more they stay the same.
Send Montero to Siberia for good.  
PhiPsi125 : 4/18/2017 10:53 pm : link
Start Flores in place of Reyes, for good.

Play all their games at Citizen Bank Park.

Then maybe the Mets will resemble a good baseball team.
Montero is garbage  
CMicks3110 : 4/18/2017 10:57 pm : link
I don't know what happened to him, but he just can't pitch at this level.
Official scoring is an error  
Stufftherun : 4/18/2017 11:04 pm : link
on the Lagares throw?! Awful, just awful!

The birds are making a racket at CitiField.
LOL, Terry says he'd give Reyes 125 to 150 ABs to try to  
PhiPsi125 : 4/18/2017 11:32 pm : link
figure it out because "he's earned it"

Reyes is 5 for 50 and looks like a disaster all over the place.

Maybe give him a few days off and work on figuring some stuff out? But no, can't sit shitty vets because of their fragile egos. Jesus Christ.
Here's my recap tonight  
ZGiants98 : 4/18/2017 11:41 pm : link
Wish it was a better game. Ugh.
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RE: Here's my recap tonight  
Metnut : 4/18/2017 11:59 pm : link
In comment 13433716 ZGiants98 said:
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Wish it was a better game. Ugh. Link - ( New Window )


You do a good job with these. Tough to write one after a game like tonight :(

I think Wilmer should get more abs than Reyes at this point, but either way Mets are still better than they've shown the past few nights and a bunch of wins are coming up IMO.
Are the Mets better than what they've shown? I'm not so sure anymore.  
PhiPsi125 : 4/19/2017 12:26 am : link
Of course they will rattle off a bunch of wins soon. Only to follow that up by a bunch of maddening losses. They are the epitome of a .500 team with a small bump in wins due to their excellent starting pitching.

Their approach and philosophy is the same as last year...awful. If they don't bang out HRs then they rarely win. I'm all for saying "it's still early" but nothing I've seen this far makes me believe anything has changed. They seem to be the same one-dimensional team. I was hoping that healthy players might be the difference maker but it seems that it's the offensive philosophy that's breeds this type of play.

MMO wrote a great article on this back in January detailing the offensive woes from last season.
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This squad cannot win in October  
spike : 4/19/2017 7:22 am : link
when they face top tier pitching night after night.
I can't stand Collins...  
Torrag : 4/19/2017 7:28 am : link
...every stupid questionable move he made last year turned into gold. That won't happen again. Ever. The guys play hard for him is the only good thing you can say about the man as a baseball manager. Well that and he hired Warthen lol.
RE: RE: Here's my recap tonight  
ZGiants98 : 4/19/2017 7:41 am : link
In comment 13433727 Metnut said:
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In comment 13433716 ZGiants98 said:


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Wish it was a better game. Ugh. Link - ( New Window )



You do a good job with these. Tough to write one after a game like tonight :(

I think Wilmer should get more abs than Reyes at this point, but either way Mets are still better than they've shown the past few nights and a bunch of wins are coming up IMO.


Thanks Metnut!
RE: I can't stand Collins...  
Shecky : 4/19/2017 7:48 am : link
In comment 13433793 Torrag said:
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...every stupid questionable move he made last year turned into gold. That won't happen again. Ever. The guys play hard for him is the only good thing you can say about the man as a baseball manager. Well that and he hired Warthen lol.


Funny how the one thing most people agree on, the players play hard for Collins, is the one thing I have consistently been bitching about for years. I don't know what others are watching, but I havent seen hard nosed, going through a wall baseball in Citi in several years... I'd settle for just one player who runs hard the full 90 feet to first.
who runs hard the full 90 feet to first.  
Torrag : 4/19/2017 8:04 am : link
That's an exaggeration...and it's the same all over the league. This isn't our father's game anymore in that regard. Coaches don't sit players for taking their foot off the gas when running out ground balls. They should but they don't. Collins has the clubhouse, that's not in question.
One thing I have major respect for with Collins  
Shecky : 4/19/2017 8:16 am : link
They say people can't change - which I don't believe. Terry came in with a reputation of players HATING him. He will leave here with players having nothing but respect for him. Similar to another TC in NY.
BUT
The team does not play "hard" for him. If anything, I'd argue the opposite. And don't give me the line players don't hustle like in the good old days. There were PLENTY of lazier players back in the day than in todays game.
well at least the bullpen  
pjcas18 : 4/19/2017 8:19 am : link
is thriving in Familia's absence. Certainly couldn't use another quality arm.

The Mets HAVE to snap out of it, a fast start was critical given the schedule.
'don't give me the line '...  
Torrag : 4/19/2017 8:22 am : link
It's not a line and it's not the players that are different it's the expectation. It's ok to pull up on that run to first. 'Why risk the injury' is the mindset. Coaches let it slide all over MLB. That's the point. They like him and try hard for him.

That's important but as a strategic guy and bullpen guy Collins blows chunks.
I will move on and drop the "hustle" argument  
Shecky : 4/19/2017 8:32 am : link
But keep in mind my favorite player of all time was perhaps keith Miller. yeah, that guy lol.

First pro game of his life. Head first into the bag. Dislocates his pinky. That would be considered hustle for most players. But oh no. He pops that pinky back in all by himself. Finishes the game (this is where I think 'fear of injury' is more like full of shit...).

Doesn't just finish the game though. Keeps playing. And takes him REINJURING IT before the team forces him to the DL. I don't exect every player to have that in them. It's one of the rarest traits to find in an athlete. BUT, when you are given g-d given ability, respect the game and play hard.

As an FYI - Hanley is perhaps my least favorite player of this generation for those very same reasons. And why I am not the biggest fan of Ces.
Time to change topics  
Shecky : 4/19/2017 8:40 am : link
DMM?
Z?

Anyone going to post a minor league recap from last night? It was a good night, sure everyone would love to hear about it if you guys are around.
Papelbon  
spike : 4/19/2017 8:44 am : link
Lincecum

Montero has to go back to AAA and leave Gilmartin up here.
keeping Montero ...  
Torrag : 4/19/2017 8:45 am : link
...over some of the guys they traded/released was stupid.
Those shitty meatballs  
spike : 4/19/2017 8:49 am : link
Montero left ip over the plate was like hitting off a tee for the Phillies last night in EXTRAS
16 hits 8 walks in 6.2 innings  
spike : 4/19/2017 8:52 am : link
ERA 9.45 by Montero.

I vomit every time I see him on the mound.

Call Doug Fister? Give Gilmartin a chance
Wheeler seems to be a 5 inning pitcher this season  
spike : 4/19/2017 8:53 am : link
Maybe piggy back him and Matz in nine innings would be good for both
On that ill fated popup  
spike : 4/19/2017 9:00 am : link
Why didnt TDA look up while the ball drifted towards him?


Reyes probably didnt want to crash into him as tda stood there
RE: On that ill fated popup  
PhiPsi125 : 4/19/2017 10:40 am : link
In comment 13433895 spike said:
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Why didnt TDA look up while the ball drifted towards him?


Reyes probably didnt want to crash into him as tda stood there


Yeah, TDA should have moved but it looked like he just froze as if he didnt know where Reyes was going to go. It also looked like Reyes was moving away from TDA until the last minute when he changed direction towards TDA. Even so, the ball was in his glove. How it popped out, I'll never know. He catches that ball and it's likely a win for the Mets.
Why wasnt TDA looking up at the ball  
spike : 4/19/2017 11:42 am : link
?
TDA should have done a better job  
ZGiants98 : 4/19/2017 1:01 pm : link
Getting out of the way for sure but the ball was in Reyes glove. I have to put that mostly on Reyes. Also why isn't Montero on a plane to Vegas for an infielder? Seriously? Enough.

Also nobody mentioned it but why remove Salas who got three outs (really 4) with two outs in the 8th with a righty coming up? Why go to your LOOGY there? Ugh. Oh well.
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