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DRAFT - top 3 rounds

Pep22 : 4/18/2017 12:15 pm
I happen to think that Eli has & lt;= 3 years left in good enough form to do his part to propel us to wins. Probably more like 2. That is just my opinion and I know many disagree and that is not the point of this thread.

But let's say that NYG have this mindset and they want to identify their next QB in this draft. If that is a premise you don't agree with and don't want to play along, then please don't.

If you do, which of the following scenarios suits you best and why.

Door # 1:

RD1 - QB Patrick Mahomes - high risk/reward QB given play style and the learning curve. Let's avoid the trap of saying things like "well Jeff George and Jay Cutler had elite arms and look where it got them". Having elite ability is never a negative nor is it a guaranty of success. But there is a unique talent laden piece of clay to mold here. To get 5 years of control, and X years to learn behind Eli's professionalism is a much better situation than kicking the can down the road and be in the situation where youre forcing a QB pick and forcing him to start early in his career.

RD2 - DT Chris Wormley. Ultra solid DT than can kick outside at times. True pro that should enjoy a long productive career.

RD3 - OL Antonio Garcia. Has a ton of ability, probably needs a year of an NFL weight room before he kicks Flowers over to RT.

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Door # 2:

RD1 - Malik McDowell - DT/DE - Admittedly, another risk/reward RD 1 selection. Gifted athlete (power seems rare), differing reports on motor.

RD2 - OL Dorian Johnson - Much like Dion Dawkins (who will be picked higher), Johnson is a versatile prospect who is technically proficient, competitive and has the athleticism that is idea for OG and RT and acceptable for LT.

RD3 - QB Nathan Peterman - Well schooled, fundamentally sound kid who can serve as a top notch backup for Eli and his successor or even be his successor. Doesn't wow you with a big arm but seems to do everything right.

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Door # 3:

RD1 - Forrest Lamp or Garrett Bolles - OLE - Best available OL.

RD2 - Davis Webb - QB - for the life of me I don't understand why he isn't ranked higher than Kizer and in my mind a couple of others. Great arm/touch, decent enough athleticism, best size. I also like the film rat and intelligence he seems to bring. Seems somewhat like Eli in some ways. I get the learning curve issue because of the gimmick offenses but time is on our side to allow that.

RD3 - Demarcus Walker DE - somewhat like Derek Barnett in the sense that he won't leave you salivating after a combine but all he does is make plays in games. Highly advanced technique and production. True pro.
Your insistance that a QB must be in the top 3 is misplaced  
BillT : 4/18/2017 1:03 pm : link
I don't see this team, in a win now mode, taking a QB in the top 3. They want Guys who will contribute now. QB won't and Eli has 3 more years.
2018  
Vegas Steve : 4/18/2017 1:07 pm : link
is a more talent rich QB draft
Swing and a miss  
averagejoe : 4/18/2017 1:13 pm : link
No QB's will be taken this early for two reasons. We have a QB and they are all reaches anyway.

We can start the QB crapshoot next year.

First two picks have to be OL/DE. Both lines need help.
I don't view 2018 as talent rich at QB  
Pep22 : 4/18/2017 1:27 pm : link
assuming Darnold isn't an option.

I don't see Eli playing 3+ years.

And don't think Mahomes or Webb are anything but high end prospects.
RE: I don't view 2018 as talent rich at QB  
Earl the goat : 4/18/2017 1:32 pm : link
In comment 13432680 Pep22 said:
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assuming Darnold isn't an option.

I don't see Eli playing 3+ years.

And don't think Mahomes or Webb are anything but high end prospects.


Darnold and Josh Allen from Wyoming are two francise QBs. It certainly is talent rich

Josh Rosen
Lamar Jackson
I would never  
PaulN : 4/18/2017 1:36 pm : link
Say that there is no way the Giants will draft a QB this year, but when you have a 2 time Super Bowl MVP starting for you, finished last season at 11-5, added a right tackle and wide receiver to your offense and bring back everyone except one player to your top 10 defense, in a weak QB class to insist upon them taking a QB in the first 3 rounds no matter how you can look at it seems to me to be stupid rational.

If the Giants believed that a QB, say Mahomes, was a possible QB of the future for this team, and he fell into your lap with the 46th pick, and you were able to land your offensive lineman in the first round, then maybe he would be a strong consideration.

But considering how weak the QB class is, there is no way he is even there for our first round pick, in fact I would not be surprised if he weren't the 2nd QB taken, and if he were the first I would not fall off my chair. So QB's with real potential dropping in this draft is extremely unlikely.

I could see them taking a project late in the draft if a guy they like were there, but no sooner then the 5th round.
Lamar Jackson  
Pep22 : 4/18/2017 1:38 pm : link
is absolutely not an NFL QB

...think Terrell Pryor in terms of how he projects.
again,,,  
Pep22 : 4/18/2017 1:45 pm : link
I don't focus on it being a subpar QB class. If Mahomes was there at 23, there's major value there. Same for Webb in R2. The best time to take a QB is a) before you are absolutely compelled to b) you happen to have a top pick in a year where there is a franchise guy i.e. Luck. Since b) isn't likely, a) avoids desperation in year 2019+.
I just don't think the value is there...  
Johnny5 : 4/18/2017 1:48 pm : link
... for the Gmen to pick a QB in any of the first three rounds this year.
RE: RE: I don't view 2018 as talent rich at QB  
allstarjim : 4/18/2017 2:08 pm : link
In comment 13432695 Earl the goat said:
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In comment 13432680 Pep22 said:


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assuming Darnold isn't an option.

I don't see Eli playing 3+ years.

And don't think Mahomes or Webb are anything but high end prospects.



Darnold and Josh Allen from Wyoming are two francise QBs. It certainly is talent rich

Josh Rosen
Lamar Jackson


I don't think Jackson will ever find success in the NFL at quarterback either, but there are other names as well, like Baker Mayfield, Luke Falk, Mason Rudolph, and Nick Fitzgerald, as well as others. It's a deep draft next year at the position for sure.
I cannot see  
mrvax : 4/18/2017 2:14 pm : link
the Giants drafting a QB this year. They signed Geno Smith to try and develop into something decent.
I think Geno is a smokescreen  
Pep22 : 4/18/2017 2:30 pm : link
and there is no way he is smart enough to digest our playbook and/or succeed in this league.

Clearly I am in the minority but I do think a QB is en route.
RE: again,,,  
Amtoft : 4/18/2017 2:36 pm : link
In comment 13432737 Pep22 said:
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I don't focus on it being a subpar QB class. If Mahomes was there at 23, there's major value there. Same for Webb in R2. The best time to take a QB is a) before you are absolutely compelled to b) you happen to have a top pick in a year where there is a franchise guy i.e. Luck. Since b) isn't likely, a) avoids desperation in year 2019+.


Mahomes at 23 is not major value at all. Major value at 23 would only be Trubisky. Mahomes is not a 1st rounder if you ask me. I could see him going to maybe Texas who is starved for a QB, but again that isn't value for them that is reaching for need. Webb in the 2nd round again is not major value. Major value in the second round would be Mahomes or Watson.
RE: I think Geno is a smokescreen  
Johnny5 : 4/18/2017 2:42 pm : link
In comment 13432863 Pep22 said:
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and there is no way he is smart enough to digest our playbook and/or succeed in this league.

Clearly I am in the minority but I do think a QB is en route.

You may be right, but I just don't think that any of the QBs are worth drafting this year. Who knows though? Nothing ever surprises me anymore regarding the draft... lol
When the Giants go for a QB  
mavric : 4/18/2017 2:45 pm : link
they get their heart set on one (think Eli) and will do everything in their power to get that guy including tanking a season and trading a stack of valuable picks (both this season and future seasons) to go get their guy.

Any QB they draft this year is a bench project and most likely not the QB they feel will eventually take over for Eli.

QBs are a crap shoot as bad as left tackles. More QBs blow than actually become great ones. Every once in awhile, a draft is stacked with genuine QBs - like the year we got Eli. This is not that year and if the QBs were quality, a whole lot of teams would be trading the ranch away to get one.

Next year looks like one of those years when a handful of QBs have real potential
I don't agree with you, Amtoft.  
yatqb : 4/18/2017 3:36 pm : link
But I'll use reasonable value as a better term for Mahomes in the 1st and Webb in the 2nd. I'm gonna suggest that they both go about there, or even earlier.

I guess I'd likely go with door 3, but if McAdoo and Co. are crazy about Mahomes I'd be comfortable with door 1.

And I wouldn't touch McDowell in the 1st. He's too much of a question mark...looks like Tarzan, too often plays like Jane.
Gun to my head  
Peppers : 4/18/2017 4:20 pm : link
I'm choosing Door #2.

Only QB I take in the first round in Trubisky so Door #1 is out.

I'm not big on Lamp or Bolles, I'd consider door 3 with Cam Robinson.
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