This is a tough draft to figure out. There are a lot of polarizing players that could either go earlier or later than anticipated.
I think that Dalvin Cook, Cam Robinson, and Zach Cunningham could drop out of the first round.
I think that Obi Melifonwu, Joe Mixon, and Zay Jones could make the first round.
Perhaps the question should be which players are over valued or undervalued by the fans?
In the TE category, some are dropping Njoku. Depth at TE and quality elsewhere are dropping him.
In the LB category Jarrad Davis in up. Zach Cunningham is down (don't want him at all).
Zay Jones is being discussed in the early second. Corey Davis is all over the place...That may be smoke.
at RB.. Dalvin Cook seems to be falling. Joe Mixon seems to be rising into the late first (reasoning.. your gonna get hell in the third round for taking him, so you may as well not risk it and take him in the first.. (49ers and Bucs as potential landing spots for both).
Perhaps the question should be which players are over valued or undervalued by the fans?
I didn't mean to rip the thread. I just wanted to add that. But we don't have to nitpick the words.
To answer your question, I think the guys Dave Te brought up in Watt amd Bowser. Neither one were talked about going at or before our pick but when you have guys that can rush the passer they will always hold value.
That'd be the worst pick of the 1st round. Makes no sense to me to draft a guy who doesn't have a position. He's not big enough or a good enough tackler to play LB. He's not good enough in coverage to play Safety. Plus he doesn't create turnovers. In 27 games at Michigan he had 0 fumbles forced, 0 fumbles recovered and 1 INT. That was the result of a bad pass and a dropped ball. That would terrify me if I was an NFL GM.
I brought this up about a month ago. Imo, I don't think the Giants are taking an OL early. Imo, they have their OL set. Like it or not, Flowers is our LT. Pugh is our LG. Richburg is our C. We have Jerry. Fluker, and Hart battling it our for 2 spots. If the Giants draft an OL in the first then the odds are they aren't getting anything out of their investment in year one when Eli's time is limited and we are fighting for a super bowl.
That would not be my take but that is what I see the Giants doing. Unless that OL is so good that he would 100% start over the current guys then great but these guys all have question marks where I think the Giants feel more comfortable with the vets they have.
Pass rusher, DB to some extent, DT, etc. will have a much better return on investment early on helping us out tbis year and beyond.
OL seems much more likely in the third and beyond with a possibility in the second. Just my opinion though.
To answer the question the biggest riser I think will be Davis Webb. Around a month ago he was considered a late 2nd or early 3rd round pick. The rumors surrounding him now are that he's going to go in the late 1st round, because a team is going to want him to sign a 5 year contract as opposed to a 4 yes contract.
From the guys you named. I think Mixon is going to go high, but I don't think he goes first round. Obi Melifonwu is probably going to go in the 1st round. I've read the Cowboys are very high on him. I could also see Zay Jones sneaking into the 1st round. He's awesome. If I was a gambling man I'd bet that Jones goes in the top 40 picks.
I don't think any of your 3 fallers will fall out of the 1st round. I think Cam Robinson is going to go higher than he's currently being projected. It's a very weak OT class so I could see him getting over drafted by a OL needy team. Unless a guy like OJ Howard is available at 23 I don't think Cunningham gets past the Giants. He's got very good size, great production and probably even better football IQ/instincts. I don't think Cook falls out of the 1st, but out of the & you named I think he's most likely to drop. If he was clean off the field and didn't have an injury history he'd be going toe to toe with Fournette as the top RB. Unfortunately he's been in trouble with the law over 5 times. That combined with bad shoulders could very well cause him to drop.
Robinson has some character issues and may be viewed as a guard.
Can Robinson play LOT ?
Guards seem to be devalued by the NFL.
Flowers was drafted as a LOT. Robinson is viewed strictly as a OG.
If the Giants did not believe that Flowers could play LOT I do not think they would have drafted him in the first round.
It is easier to find an interior lineman later in the draft than someone who plays outside. I believe that this devalues an OG.
There are always exceptions.
I brought this up about a month ago. Imo, I don't think the Giants are taking an OL early. Imo, they have their OL set. Like it or not, Flowers is our LT. Pugh is our LG. Richburg is our C. We have Jerry. Fluker, and Hart battling it our for 2 spots. If the Giants draft an OL in the first then the odds are they aren't getting anything out of their investment in year one when Eli's time is limited and we are fighting for a super bowl.
That would not be my take but that is what I see the Giants doing. Unless that OL is so good that he would 100% start over the current guys then great but these guys all have question marks where I think the Giants feel more comfortable with the vets they have
Don't be confused by what John Mara said about Flowers. He didn't say the Giants are giving him another year as the starting left tackle, he said "he knows he needs to get better" but the Giants haven't given up on him yet. That is not a ringing endorsement.
There are all sorts of reasons to draft an OL in the first round. It's the team's biggest need is reason #1. And that's not some secret that's being kept from the Giants personnel department. They know it as well as anyone. Probably more so!
Agreed and in 2015 OG Scherff was drafted 5th by the Redskins!
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Even if Guard is undervalued which I don't think it is anymore. They still go fairly high in the draft. Zach Martin went 16th overall. Jonathan Cooper went 7th & Chance Warmack went 10th overall.
Agreed and in 2015 OG Scherff was drafted 5th by the Redskins!
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I brought this up about a month ago. Imo, I don't think the Giants are taking an OL early. Imo, they have their OL set. Like it or not, Flowers is our LT. Pugh is our LG. Richburg is our C. We have Jerry. Fluker, and Hart battling it our for 2 spots. If the Giants draft an OL in the first then the odds are they aren't getting anything out of their investment in year one when Eli's time is limited and we are fighting for a super bowl.
That would not be my take but that is what I see the Giants doing. Unless that OL is so good that he would 100% start over the current guys then great but these guys all have question marks where I think the Giants feel more comfortable with the vets they have
Do you really think the Giants are comfortable with the vets they have? Are you? Cam Robinson could start at any one of three different positions as a rookie for the Giants: left tackle, right tackle, and right guard.
Don't be confused by what John Mara said about Flowers. He didn't say the Giants are giving him another year as the starting left tackle, he said "he knows he needs to get better" but the Giants haven't given up on him yet. That is not a ringing endorsement.
There are all sorts of reasons to draft an OL in the first round. It's the team's biggest need is reason #1. And that's not some secret that's being kept from the Giants personnel department. They know it as well as anyone. Probably more so!
I think I was clear with saying that is not how I view it but how I believe the Giants view it.
I think I was clear with saying that is not how I view it but how I believe the Giants view it.
100% agreed!
Me too, and I don't see Cook falling either, unless teams are scared away by off the field stuff, which I'm not familiar with, he's not falling out of the the first round.
Lately, DE's/OLB pass rushers and safeties have been moving up in recent years in the draft, and I don't see that changing this year. I think Demarcus Walker is a guy I wouldn't be surprised to see go in round 1.
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That'd be the worst pick of the 1st round. Makes no sense to me to draft a guy who doesn't have a position. He's not big enough or a good enough tackler to play LB. He's not good enough in coverage to play Safety. Plus he doesn't create turnovers. In 27 games at Michigan he had 0 fumbles forced, 0 fumbles recovered and 1 INT. That was the result of a bad pass and a dropped ball. That would terrify me if I was an NFL GM.
Seems to be a Shaq Thompson clone. Pretty sure Car. is happy with him.