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Aaron Hernandez commits suicide in Prison

BigBlueDownTheShore : 4/19/2017 6:33 am
Boston Globe just reported it. I can't seem to get a link to it.
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You play the biggest sport in America at the highest level and  
montanagiant : 4/19/2017 10:58 am : link
You're making millions doing it. You are on a team that is a perennial top team. You have a long term girlfriend and the rest of your life to live being comfortable.

You throw all of that away because your friend talked to someone you don't like. It does not get more idiotic than that
There is nothing to be happy about with any of this.  
Giant John : 4/19/2017 11:01 am : link
He wasted an amazing opportunity. People lost their lives, His daughter will grow up not knowing her father. He took his own life. All of this is tragic.
RE: You play the biggest sport in America at the highest level and  
UConn4523 : 4/19/2017 11:06 am : link
In comment 13434100 montanagiant said:
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You're making millions doing it. You are on a team that is a perennial top team. You have a long term girlfriend and the rest of your life to live being comfortable.

You throw all of that away because your friend talked to someone you don't like. It does not get more idiotic than that


I think it goes a bit deeper than that. Not that I disagree, but he wasn't just thrown into this life once he was famous. He's a well known thug from upstate CT with ties to gangs for virtually his whole life. Playing under Meyer at a large program 1,000 miles away probably got him away from that life for a bit, but then he got drafted back to essentially where he grew up.

I'm speculating the timeline of events, but it does match up with how things have gone for him. This was a life he chose long before football at Florida and one that I'm guessing was either hard for him to get out of or that he didn't want to get out of.
RE: I'd like to see the cell  
Milton : 4/19/2017 11:12 am : link
In comment 13434034 Csonka said:
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I'm having trouble picturing this suicide. Hung himself with a bed sheet tied to a window in his cell?

It happens...
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After the ordeal, we went back to the jail. Obie said he was going to put us in the cell. Said, "Kid, I'm going to put you in the cell, I want your wallet and your belt." And I said, "Obie, I can understand you wanting my wallet so I don't have any money to spend in the cell, but what do you want my belt for?" And he said, "Kid, we don't want any hangings." I said, "Obie, did you think I was going to hang myself for littering?" Obie said he was making sure, and friends Obie was, cause he took out the toilet seat so I couldn't hit myself over the head and drown, and he took out the toilet paper so I couldn't bend the bars, roll the toilet paper out the window, slide down the roll and have an escape.
one thing always amazed me about this situation  
giantfan2000 : 4/19/2017 11:12 am : link
Giants star player shoots himself in leg .. ruins the season and took a few years for Giants team to really recover from incident .

NE star player accused of killer a few people and the team never was effected in any way .. Little Bill just wiped the guy from NE team's memory like he never existed . Even to this day Lilttle Bill will say almost nothing about what happen to his once star player .

Damn  
Carson53 : 4/19/2017 11:18 am : link
That prison he killed himself at, is only about 15 minutes away from where I live. The hospital they brought him to,
is less than 10 minutes away.
I thought the P.O.S. was in Walpole myself.
That facility wasn't even a correctional facility back in the day.
A little story if I may, that facility was actually more
of a reform school back in the day. For some stupid reason,
I recall our JV basketball coach (he was a first year coach)
scheduled a damn scrimmage game in there. It was kinda weird, no trouble, but still a weird experience when you are about 15.
You have these less than friendly young men staring at you,
when you are taking the ball out of bounds,
and they were too damn close as well, geez.
RE: Mort said  
batman11 : 4/19/2017 11:18 am : link
In comment 13433819 NNJ Tom said:
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he's only dead 4-6 weeks.


NHL Home Office Statement: "He has an upper-body injury."
RE: one thing always amazed me about this situation  
Carson53 : 4/19/2017 11:21 am : link
In comment 13434119 giantfan2000 said:
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Giants star player shoots himself in leg .. ruins the season and took a few years for Giants team to really recover from incident .

NE star player accused of killer a few people and the team never was effected in any way .. Little Bill just wiped the guy from NE team's memory like he never existed . Even to this day Lilttle Bill will say almost nothing about what happen to his once star player .


They still had Gronk, the Giants had Hixon.
You do see the disparity there right?
RE: There is nothing to be happy about with any of this.  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 4/19/2017 11:22 am : link
In comment 13434103 Giant John said:
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He wasted an amazing opportunity. People lost their lives, His daughter will grow up not knowing her father. He took his own life. All of this is tragic.


This. Just a sad story of a wasted life.
People are funny..  
Vin R : 4/19/2017 11:22 am : link
Sign onto Facebook and see the same people who were calling Steve Stephens scum, coward & etc yesterday - are now posting about how sad it is that Aaron Hernandez took his life, RIP & all that lol
RE: There is nothing to be happy about with any of this.  
Les in TO : 4/19/2017 11:24 am : link
In comment 13434103 Giant John said:
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He wasted an amazing opportunity. People lost their lives, His daughter will grow up not knowing her father. He took his own life. All of this is tragic.
agreed.
're: Door locked and barricaded  
JohnF : 4/19/2017 11:40 am : link
Criss Angel, David Copperfield and Penn (of Penn & Teller) refused to comment on this. Reporters are still trying to reach out to Teller...
He used a rope  
Jules Winnfield : 4/19/2017 11:47 am : link
with two tied ends
Alice's Restaurant?!  
Csonka : 4/19/2017 12:02 pm : link
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Milton
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After the ordeal, we went back to the jail. Obie said he was going to put us in the cell. Said, "Kid, I'm going to put you in the cell, I want your wallet and your belt." And I said, "Obie, I can understand you wanting my wallet so I don't have any money to spend in the cell, but what do you want my belt for?" And he said, "Kid, we don't want any hangings." I said, "Obie, did you think I was going to hang myself for littering?" Obie said he was making sure, and friends Obie was, cause he took out the toilet seat so I couldn't hit myself over the head and drown, and he took out the toilet paper so I couldn't bend the bars, roll the toilet paper out the window, slide down the roll and have an escape.


LOL. Not sure Arlo Guthrie is an accurate source! I know suicides aren't rare in prison. But I'd think hangings are these days.
Also, barricading the door? My knowledge of cells is relegated to movies, but I've always seen cell doors slide open or open outward.
RE: I wonder if Aaron's family will sue the jail for  
WideRight : 4/19/2017 12:06 pm : link
In comment 13433903 32_Razor said:
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Wrongful death while in custody. Only in America


Good call. Here comes the set-up. This dirt bag is going to cause more problems even when he's dead.
Lets find someone to blame..... - ( New Window )
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Deej : 4/19/2017 12:07 pm : link
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Wrongful death while in custody. Only in America



Good call. Here comes the set-up. This dirt bag is going to cause more problems even when he's dead. Lets find someone to blame..... - ( New Window )


Why isnt the MSM covering this lawsuit???
RE: RE: I wonder if Aaron's family will sue the jail for  
Carson53 : 4/19/2017 12:15 pm : link
In comment 13434198 WideRight said:
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Wrongful death while in custody. Only in America



Good call. Here comes the set-up. This dirt bag is going to cause more problems even when he's dead. Lets find someone to blame..... - ( New Window )


That pitbull of a lawyer is the one that got Casey Anthony acquitted in Florida, made a name for himself.
That's where I read about the P.O.S., in the Herald online.
RE: RE: RE: Twice in 2 days a piece of shit murderer  
giant24 : 4/19/2017 12:20 pm : link
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has done the community a service and offed themselves. Maybe OJ can follow suit and make it a trifecta?


I'd rather it be George Zimmerman.



Zimmerman needs to die a slow, painful death.


News flash - Zimmerman was found not guilty - Martin was the aggressor because he thought Zimmerman was a gay rapist, sucker punched him, broke his nose and then proceeded to bash his head into the concrete which the evidence and eye witness collaborated. He was doing this all while trying to protect his neighborhood from a rash of robberies. The media tried to portray him as racist (edited audio, white hispanic) and portray Martin as an innocent 12 year old boy. You fell for it.
Please dont reply to giants24.......  
WideRight : 4/19/2017 12:27 pm : link

preserve this thread for what it intended to discuss...
RE: Please dont reply to giants24.......  
giant24 : 4/19/2017 12:40 pm : link
In comment 13434243 WideRight said:
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preserve this thread for what it intended to discuss...


So its ok for two other posters to compare a not guilty Zimmerman to a guilty of cold blooded murder Hernandez and wish death on the non-guilty Zimmerman, but its not ok for me to actually bring facts into the discussion as to why I think they are wrong? WTF
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Bill L : 4/19/2017 12:50 pm : link
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preserve this thread for what it intended to discuss...



So its ok for two other posters to compare a not guilty Zimmerman to a guilty of cold blooded murder Hernandez and wish death on the non-guilty Zimmerman, but its not ok for me to actually bring facts into the discussion as to why I think they are wrong? WTF

We don't we just say that the introduction of Zimmerman into the thread was a non sequitur and just move on?

On Hernandez, I went to HS with his dad who was one of the best 3-sport athletes we had in those days. He was a really nice and good guy back then. Tragically, he died, just keeled over IIRC, when Aaron was fairly young. I doubt it had an effect on Aaron becoming a murderer but you never know. Anyway, I just wanted to say that the stock was good but you never know about the final product.
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Vanzetti : 4/19/2017 12:51 pm : link
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has done the community a service and offed themselves. Maybe OJ can follow suit and make it a trifecta?


I'd rather it be George Zimmerman.



Zimmerman needs to die a slow, painful death.



News flash - Zimmerman was found not guilty - Martin was the aggressor because he thought Zimmerman was a gay rapist, sucker punched him, broke his nose and then proceeded to bash his head into the concrete which the evidence and eye witness collaborated. He was doing this all while trying to protect his neighborhood from a rash of robberies. The media tried to portray him as racist (edited audio, white hispanic) and portray Martin as an innocent 12 year old boy. You fell for it.



Lol. What looney tunes site are you getting this from? Also, I think Zimmerman's subsquent behavior makes clear who was the nut job. Spoiled little rich kid whose father bails him out of trouble. But he will get his someday. Little assholes like that usually do.
This is definitely a stain on the Patriots  
LCtheINTMachine : 4/19/2017 12:54 pm : link
But thankfully BB has no regard for human emotions so it won't sadden him or affect his preparations one bit. #NoDaysOff
Good, I hope Hernandez and the Cleveland Killer  
SHO'NUFF : 4/19/2017 1:21 pm : link
are sentenced to salad tossing each other in Hell for eternity.
Mods can you please 86 Giants24?  
David in LA : 4/19/2017 1:31 pm : link
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RE: This is definitely a stain on the Patriots  
ctc in ftmyers : 4/19/2017 2:06 pm : link
In comment 13434283 LCtheINTMachine said:
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But thankfully BB has no regard for human emotions so it won't sadden him or affect his preparations one bit. #NoDaysOff


How is this a stain on the Patriots?

Why would/should it affect anyone when it comes to doing their job?
Obviously, Hernandez was upset that,  
Doomster : 4/19/2017 2:49 pm : link
they were not going to give him permission to go to the White House today, in Brady's place....
Not sure how it reflects on the Patriots.....  
WideRight : 4/19/2017 3:12 pm : link
Apparently everyone knew he had gang related issues prior to college. And he shot a man in the face while at the U and got away with it. I think thats why he dropped to the fourth round where the Patriots picked him up. Is that a stain?

Logan Mankins, who sat next to Hernandez in the locker room, announced to the press BEFORE the murders that Hernandez does not represent "Patriot values" in any way. Openly airing concerns for the dirt bag did not stop the Patriots from resigning him. Is that a stain?

Once his personal problems overwhelemd his professional value, they completely abandoned him. Is that a stain?

I don't think its a stain per se, I think thats Bill B's way, and Kraft endorses it. That wouldn't happen on most other teams.
RE: I hope he left  
santacruzom : 4/19/2017 3:35 pm : link
In comment 13433898 spike said:
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Some money for the 4 year old girl. And his girlfriend gets some closure and finally moves on


Yeah... the daughter angle makes this a more tragic tale than otherwise. There isn't much of a tear to shed on Hernandez's behalf, but that girl is still a four year girl who will never see her dad again.
Its just sad  
Reale01 : 4/19/2017 3:40 pm : link
The whole thing is sad for many people on many levels. Sad to see such promise wasted. He did it to himself, but it is still very sad. This is not a lesson - people should not need a "lesson" to not kill people. Some will say good riddance. It is easier than dealing with the reality that people can be so broken that they reach the point of doing the things he did. Not a loss - just sad.
My point.  
ctc in ftmyers : 4/19/2017 4:15 pm : link
"Once his personal problems overwhelmed his professional value, they completely abandoned him. Is that a stain?"

How many kids have we taken a flyer on that didn't pan out because of personal problems overwhelming their professional value? Not to that level but, we did have to get rid of a conic abuser last year. We took in a known drunk to get us in a Super Bowl. Worked out for everyone that time. Except for winning it.

All types a businesses take a flyer on a young person with questionable backgrounds. Sometimes it works out and you are lauded for taking a chance and giving a second chance. Other times it doesn't and you're an idiot for giving anyone a second chance. You should have banned them to hell.

Pick your poison.


i don't think its a stain on the Pats  
UConn4523 : 4/19/2017 4:29 pm : link
and if there is, it isn't close to what they did with actual cheating.

There's tons of guys with questionable backgrounds, we just see more of it up front now. While 2010 doesn't seem like that long ago, it is when it comes to social media and they way sports has been reported on.

Twitter started in 2006 but didn't really become mainstream until right around 2010 when Hernandez was drafted. Instagram launched after he was drafted, and sports reporting wasn't that big of a thing on Facebook.

Now every story is viral. If Hernandez had that same background and entered the NFL Draft in 2017 I'm guessing he goes un-drafted.
RE: Its just sad  
Milton : 4/19/2017 4:29 pm : link
In comment 13434516 Reale01 said:
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The whole thing is sad for many people on many levels. Sad to see such promise wasted. He did it to himself, but it is still very sad. This is not a lesson - people should not need a "lesson" to not kill people. Some will say good riddance. It is easier than dealing with the reality that people can be so broken that they reach the point of doing the things he did. Not a loss - just sad.
Well said.
RE: Not sure how it reflects on the Patriots.....  
SomeFan : 4/19/2017 5:06 pm : link
In comment 13434479 WideRight said:
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Apparently everyone knew he had gang related issues prior to college. And he shot a man in the face while at the U and got away with it. I think thats why he dropped to the fourth round where the Patriots picked him up. Is that a stain?

Logan Mankins, who sat next to Hernandez in the locker room, announced to the press BEFORE the murders that Hernandez does not represent "Patriot values" in any way. Openly airing concerns for the dirt bag did not stop the Patriots from resigning him. Is that a stain?

Once his personal problems overwhelemd his professional value, they completely abandoned him. Is that a stain?

I don't think its a stain per se, I think thats Bill B's way, and Kraft endorses it. That wouldn't happen on most other teams.


His personal problems go above the norm that one would deal with like a dug problem. Once he charged with murder, he should be completely, 100% abandoned.
Good choice  
Route 9 : 4/19/2017 5:08 pm : link
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What is a "red blood marker"?  
DanMetroMan : 4/19/2017 5:11 pm : link
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Must clarify: John 3:16 message found on Hernandez forehead written in red blood marker, not blood story developing #fox25
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Deej : 4/19/2017 5:29 pm : link
In comment 13434596 DanMetroMan said:
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Must clarify: John 3:16 message found on Hernandez forehead written in red blood marker, not blood story developing #fox25


The second least appropriate name for a Crayola marker.
Heard on kay show  
Tuckrule : 4/19/2017 5:39 pm : link
Since he was appealing the Odin lloyd murder and died he now is presumed innocent therefore his remaining assets go to his daughter and his fiancÚ.

Could this be the reason why he killed himself? Can someone clarify this info please.
Good riddance  
OC2.0 : 4/19/2017 5:49 pm : link
Fk him. Stupid fking wanna be gangster pissed away his life over it
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David in LA : 4/19/2017 5:52 pm : link
In comment 13434616 Deej said:
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The second least appropriate name for a Crayola marker.


Dare I ask what the least appropriate name is?
He caught passes from  
Mike in Long Beach : 4/19/2017 5:59 pm : link
perhaps the greatest NFL QB of all time in Tom Brady, and despite the shitshow pro career, he also caught passes from one of the greatest college QBs of all time in Tim Tebow.

He's had an opportunity, at least professionally to be amongst some of the best influences in the world; you could argue no one would've asked for more in that regard. The whole thing has been awful from the start. Anyone with the rage he had inside him is clearly mentally ill (and note, this is not to say he isn't responsible for his actions). It would've been so good for so many if he could've found his way.
RE: Heard on kay show  
MOOPS : 4/19/2017 6:08 pm : link
In comment 13434626 Tuckrule said:
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Since he was appealing the Odin lloyd murder and died he now is presumed innocent therefore his remaining assets go to his daughter and his fiancÚ.

Could this be the reason why he killed himself? Can someone clarify this info please.


He's appealing. He's not presumed innocent until a judge overturns his conviction.
At the end of the day  
djstat : 4/19/2017 6:15 pm : link
The Patriots gave him a chance. Despite the rumblings and rumors, he had no convictions. They believed they could work with him. He produced. They cut him immediately when he was arrested. They didn't wait to let it go through the courts, they cut ties. They are not responsible the same way any company is not responsible for an employees outside actions.

He was convicted in a court of law. He was a murderer. He was a piece of garbage. That said, I feel for his daughter. That is the tragedy.

While he had a big win in court, its possible he was out of money and would no longer be able to fight his conviction. Possibly guilt? The theory that he realized he killed Lloyd for nothing? Possible. Or maybe just coming to grips he was 27 years old and was in prison for life after he was a millionaire living the good life.

Time in prison changes a lot of people and mentally weak people struggle. Say what you want about him, he was mentally weak. No coping skills, sociopath etc.

It's called abatement ab initio  
pjcas18 : 4/19/2017 6:17 pm : link
meaning "from the beginning". In other words his status reverts to what it was before any trial took place (aka innocent).

The premise is if the defendant is not alive to defend themselves any conviction must be overturned/vacated.

Only a handful of states have this and it's probably the right thing to do per rule of the law (innocent until proven guilty), but very disrespectful to victims families.

Massachusetts has some infamous cases where convictions wee overturned ab initio. Including the head of the Boston diocese who was convicted of raping or molesting dozens of children. Ironically killed in the same prison as Hernandez.

And just in case it wasn't covered in the thread...many people are questioning the "suicide".

RE: It's called abatement ab initio  
Vanzetti : 4/19/2017 11:27 pm : link
In comment 13434684 pjcas18 said:
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meaning "from the beginning". In other words his status reverts to what it was before any trial took place (aka innocent).

The premise is if the defendant is not alive to defend themselves any conviction must be overturned/vacated.

Only a handful of states have this and it's probably the right thing to do per rule of the law (innocent until proven guilty), but very disrespectful to victims families.

Massachusetts has some infamous cases where convictions wee overturned ab initio. Including the head of the Boston diocese who was convicted of raping or molesting dozens of children. Ironically killed in the same prison as Hernandez.

And just in case it wasn't covered in the thread...many people are questioning the "suicide".


Thanks PJ. Will this protect his assets?
RE: RE: It's called abatement ab initio  
pjcas18 : 4/20/2017 8:53 am : link
In comment 13435040 Vanzetti said:
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In comment 13434684 pjcas18 said:


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meaning "from the beginning". In other words his status reverts to what it was before any trial took place (aka innocent).

The premise is if the defendant is not alive to defend themselves any conviction must be overturned/vacated.

Only a handful of states have this and it's probably the right thing to do per rule of the law (innocent until proven guilty), but very disrespectful to victims families.

Massachusetts has some infamous cases where convictions wee overturned ab initio. Including the head of the Boston diocese who was convicted of raping or molesting dozens of children. Ironically killed in the same prison as Hernandez.

And just in case it wasn't covered in the thread...many people are questioning the "suicide".




Thanks PJ. Will this protect his assets?


I don't know, maybe one of the attorneys like Dune or Deej (? I think he's an attorney) can comment.

OJ was found not guilty, but then still lose a wrongful death civil suit to the Goldman family for something like $30M. So no idea how this protects his money. But many people have said it.
Maybe he misunderstood Brady's last text  
BigBlue in Keys : 4/20/2017 9:16 am : link
When Tom said "Hoping your hanging in there man".
RE: RE: RE: What is a  
Greg from LI : 4/20/2017 9:33 am : link
In comment 13434638 David in LA said:
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Dare I ask what the least appropriate name is?


Presidential Orange
Thought I'd bump this based on recent developments  
WideRight : 4/26/2017 4:15 pm : link
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Who is Kyle Kennedy?
oo, I lost track of this thread  
Deej : 4/26/2017 4:25 pm : link
and I was asked questions.

pj: I dont believe it will protect his assets. Llyod's estate can still sue AH's estate for damages, I believe. Where it hurts Lloyd's estate is that normally, once you're convicted of a crime, you cannot claim in the subsequent civil case that you didnt do it (note: some states dont allow this use of a conviction in a civil case). On the theory that you had the incentive to fight it and were convicted at a higher burden of proof.

David: The least appropriate Crayola was:


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