He has the arm, the athletic ability and the leadership charisma. Bottomline he's a winner. That's why he should be on this list. But he won't be the pick.
He has 4 more down below. Hmm given 14 players per team I think I could get the whole first round right.
Didn't even see that at first. lol, he did hedge his bets there and with his omissions section. 17 players named in the top 10 list article... pretty savvy...
At 23 too many variables. And if QBs fall the Giants could move down like the year they grabbed Kiwi.
Good news for me is no WR. All of the top have some questions.
Lastly easily could see the Giants grab a S or CB. The same people replacing Marshall already seem to ignore that the exact same arguement could be made for replacing DRC. And the Giants don't have a true starter at FS. And this draft is loaded at DB. When DRC went down in the GB playoff game it was painful. I'd take a CB over an edge rusher in Rd 1. 4 CBs are a must in the NFL today IMO
At 23 too many variables. And if QBs fall the Giants could move down like the year they grabbed Kiwi.
Good news for me is no WR. All of the top have some questions.
Lastly easily could see the Giants grab a S or CB. The same people replacing Marshall already seem to ignore that the exact same arguement could be made for replacing DRC. And the Giants don't have a true starter at FS. And this draft is loaded at DB. When DRC went down in the GB playoff game it was painful. I'd take a CB over an edge rusher in Rd 1. 4 CBs are a must in the NFL today IMO
Agree 110%.
I'd put DB on at least the same level at WR in terms of need. Wouldn't double dipping at DB this year. CB Jourdan Lewis early FS David Jones late...
He has the arm, the athletic ability and the leadership charisma. Bottomline he's a winner. That's why he should be on this list. But he won't be the pick.
He played in a gimmick offense, which will hurt his transition to the next level. Can he get past a second read, when his offense has predetermined throws built in?
He has 4 more down below. Hmm given 14 players per team I think I could get the whole first round right.
Jeez. You guys as a collective group do a lot of complaining. Don't count the "just missed." Just the original 10.
So I ruled out the two most popular picks (Ramczyk, Njoku) and left out Lamp, Willis and Bowser who everyone seems to think are all of a sudden serious options. And that is not enough for you?
This is true but keep trying. Next year take a stand come out before the Draft with your Top 3 and don't try and slip any fast ones by us. We're watching.
I'd be curious as to why Watson would make the list, but not Mahomes. Â
That the Giants may go further out of their way to withhold info or create a smokescreen for Jordan than they had in the past?
If you think about it by him reporting the Giants interest in Floyd and Conklin he may have influenced two different trade that lead to the Giants picking their "C" option (though Apple appears to be a good pick). Jordan's always done a great job of getting inside intell and reporting it. Last year it impacted the Giants and they may want to avoid a similar situation this year.
He has 4 more down below. Hmm given 14 players per team I think I could get the whole first round right.
Jeez. You guys as a collective group do a lot of complaining. Don't count the "just missed." Just the original 10.
So I ruled out the two most popular picks (Ramczyk, Njoku) and left out Lamp, Willis and Bowser who everyone seems to think are all of a sudden serious options. And that is not enough for you?
You guys are tough to please.
I think it is just good-natured ball busting. Dont read into it. Thanks Jordan.
He has 4 more down below. Hmm given 14 players per team I think I could get the whole first round right.
Jeez. You guys as a collective group do a lot of complaining. Don't count the "just missed." Just the original 10.
So I ruled out the two most popular picks (Ramczyk, Njoku) and left out Lamp, Willis and Bowser who everyone seems to think are all of a sudden serious options. And that is not enough for you?
You guys are tough to please.
Even though you placed Davis first, there are some strong opinionated people here who believe everybody is an idiot who doesn’t have a top 10 of all defensive players with the #1 pick.
Many have forgot, the relieve we felt when you, an actual Giant writer and I believe fan, replaced Graziano last year.
That the Giants may go further out of their way to withhold info or create a smokescreen for Jordan than they had in the past?
If you think about it by him reporting the Giants interest in Floyd and Conklin he may have influenced two different trade that lead to the Giants picking their "C" option (though Apple appears to be a good pick). Jordan's always done a great job of getting inside intell and reporting it. Last year it impacted the Giants and they may want to avoid a similar situation this year.
No. Is this theory never going to die? They were interested in a LT and a pass rusher, news at 11.
He has 4 more down below. Hmm given 14 players per team I think I could get the whole first round right.
Jeez. You guys as a collective group do a lot of complaining. Don't count the "just missed." Just the original 10.
So I ruled out the two most popular picks (Ramczyk, Njoku) and left out Lamp, Willis and Bowser who everyone seems to think are all of a sudden serious options. And that is not enough for you?
You guys are tough to please.
No, Jordan - we have to count them all because if NYG choose one from that 2nd list and someone tries to bust your balls for your top 10 not being chosen, your witty reply will be "well, I did have him on my just missed list, so I wasn't that far off"
So we'll only count 10 if you refrain from referencing your just missed list if no one from your top 10 is chosen. Deal?
This is true but keep trying. Next year take a stand come out before the Draft with your Top 3 and don't try and slip any fast ones by us. We're watching.
He has 4 more down below. Hmm given 14 players per team I think I could get the whole first round right.
Jeez. You guys as a collective group do a lot of complaining. Don't count the "just missed." Just the original 10.
So I ruled out the two most popular picks (Ramczyk, Njoku) and left out Lamp, Willis and Bowser who everyone seems to think are all of a sudden serious options. And that is not enough for you?
You guys are tough to please.
I think it is just good-natured ball busting. Dont read into it. Thanks Jordan.
That's where I was coming from. It is - after all - a top ten list of something that's purely speculative, grain of salt is the name of the game anyway.
That the Giants may go further out of their way to withhold info or create a smokescreen for Jordan than they had in the past?
If you think about it by him reporting the Giants interest in Floyd and Conklin he may have influenced two different trade that lead to the Giants picking their "C" option (though Apple appears to be a good pick). Jordan's always done a great job of getting inside intell and reporting it. Last year it impacted the Giants and they may want to avoid a similar situation this year.
The whole idea of another team "knowing" who the Giants want and then making a move to foil the Giants plans or just trade up and disregard their draft board is preposterous.
thanks for posting. People act like you're supposed to know in advance who the Giants are going to pick when you make a list like this. It is speculation and valuable in who you rule out more than who you identify in the top 10.
thanks for posting. People act like you're supposed to know in advance who the Giants are going to pick when you make a list like this. It is speculation and valuable in who you rule out more than who you identify in the top 10.
I dunno, Dan. Making a well informed guess based on knowledge of the team's needs and the way they may think/value positions and players measurables, it should be narrowed to top 3, IMO.
I'd take Davis or any one of the top 4 OL players Â
it's important to note that Jordan isn't a scout. He reports on behalf of the team and what he's hearing. Just because Dave and Sy likes a guy doesn't mean Jordan is going to have him as the #1 option for Giants, or even at all.
is basically what we've all been discussing on here (aside from Njoku/Lamp/Ramcyzk which Jordan has himself been saying all along he didn't think were options).
It's a pretty accurate list of guys who should be in the mix.
He has 4 more down below. Hmm given 14 players per team I think I could get the whole first round right.
Jeez. You guys as a collective group do a lot of complaining. Don't count the "just missed." Just the original 10.
So I ruled out the two most popular picks (Ramczyk, Njoku) and left out Lamp, Willis and Bowser who everyone seems to think are all of a sudden serious options. And that is not enough for you?
You guys are tough to please.
No, Jordan - we have to count them all because if NYG choose one from that 2nd list and someone tries to bust your balls for your top 10 not being chosen, your witty reply will be "well, I did have him on my just missed list, so I wasn't that far off"
So we'll only count 10 if you refrain from referencing your just missed list if no one from your top 10 is chosen. Deal?
He has 4 more down below. Hmm given 14 players per team I think I could get the whole first round right.
Jeez. You guys as a collective group do a lot of complaining. Don't count the "just missed." Just the original 10.
So I ruled out the two most popular picks (Ramczyk, Njoku) and left out Lamp, Willis and Bowser who everyone seems to think are all of a sudden serious options. And that is not enough for you?
You guys are tough to please.
All said with a big smile. I love your writing.
My point is we can't wait for the draft and this just feels like betting 10$ on 10 teams to win the SB. I would much rather here what player you really think they will take, all things considered. Reading the same amount of words just on why it will be Davis for example. Maybe I'm being weird.
thanks for posting. People act like you're supposed to know in advance who the Giants are going to pick when you make a list like this. It is speculation and valuable in who you rule out more than who you identify in the top 10.
I wouldn't say speculation. I would say informed opinion. I talk to a lot of sources to find out who they do or don't like. Then I try to piece it together. Nobody is telling me or anybody who they're going to pick. The Giants don't know right now. It depends on 22 other picks.
I agree. Ryan Ramczyk is also a notable absence. Having Watson on the list over either of those guys seems off to me...
(Which is odd, because until he said that I hadn't seen these guys talked about as 1st round picks very often.)
So 4 of the guys who are supposedly on our short list don't make Jordan's top 10? Interesting.
Didn't even see that at first. lol, he did hedge his bets there and with his omissions section. 17 players named in the top 10 list article... pretty savvy...
The Giant's beat writers, as a group, have to be the worst in the NFL.
Good news for me is no WR. All of the top have some questions.
Lastly easily could see the Giants grab a S or CB. The same people replacing Marshall already seem to ignore that the exact same arguement could be made for replacing DRC. And the Giants don't have a true starter at FS. And this draft is loaded at DB. When DRC went down in the GB playoff game it was painful. I'd take a CB over an edge rusher in Rd 1. 4 CBs are a must in the NFL today IMO
Good news for me is no WR. All of the top have some questions.
Lastly easily could see the Giants grab a S or CB. The same people replacing Marshall already seem to ignore that the exact same arguement could be made for replacing DRC. And the Giants don't have a true starter at FS. And this draft is loaded at DB. When DRC went down in the GB playoff game it was painful. I'd take a CB over an edge rusher in Rd 1. 4 CBs are a must in the NFL today IMO
Agree 110%.
I'd put DB on at least the same level at WR in terms of need. Wouldn't double dipping at DB this year. CB Jourdan Lewis early FS David Jones late...
He played in a gimmick offense, which will hurt his transition to the next level. Can he get past a second read, when his offense has predetermined throws built in?
Jeez. You guys as a collective group do a lot of complaining. Don't count the "just missed." Just the original 10.
So I ruled out the two most popular picks (Ramczyk, Njoku) and left out Lamp, Willis and Bowser who everyone seems to think are all of a sudden serious options. And that is not enough for you?
You guys are tough to please.
Both QBs probably have equal chance of being there at this point.
If you think about it by him reporting the Giants interest in Floyd and Conklin he may have influenced two different trade that lead to the Giants picking their "C" option (though Apple appears to be a good pick). Jordan's always done a great job of getting inside intell and reporting it. Last year it impacted the Giants and they may want to avoid a similar situation this year.
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He has 4 more down below. Hmm given 14 players per team I think I could get the whole first round right.
Jeez. You guys as a collective group do a lot of complaining. Don't count the "just missed." Just the original 10.
So I ruled out the two most popular picks (Ramczyk, Njoku) and left out Lamp, Willis and Bowser who everyone seems to think are all of a sudden serious options. And that is not enough for you?
You guys are tough to please.
I think it is just good-natured ball busting. Dont read into it. Thanks Jordan.
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He has 4 more down below. Hmm given 14 players per team I think I could get the whole first round right.
Jeez. You guys as a collective group do a lot of complaining. Don't count the "just missed." Just the original 10.
So I ruled out the two most popular picks (Ramczyk, Njoku) and left out Lamp, Willis and Bowser who everyone seems to think are all of a sudden serious options. And that is not enough for you?
You guys are tough to please.
Even though you placed Davis first, there are some strong opinionated people here who believe everybody is an idiot who doesn’t have a top 10 of all defensive players with the #1 pick.
Many have forgot, the relieve we felt when you, an actual Giant writer and I believe fan, replaced Graziano last year.
If you think about it by him reporting the Giants interest in Floyd and Conklin he may have influenced two different trade that lead to the Giants picking their "C" option (though Apple appears to be a good pick). Jordan's always done a great job of getting inside intell and reporting it. Last year it impacted the Giants and they may want to avoid a similar situation this year.
No. Is this theory never going to die? They were interested in a LT and a pass rusher, news at 11.
And yet the team has shown more outward interest in Mahomes (and even Trubisky and Keizer, for that matter).
I'm asking because of that.
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...because he's better.
And yet the team has shown more outward interest in Mahomes (and even Trubisky and Keizer, for that matter).
I'm asking because of that.
*Kizer
Haven't heard OL but am concerned they'll force one.
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He has 4 more down below. Hmm given 14 players per team I think I could get the whole first round right.
Jeez. You guys as a collective group do a lot of complaining. Don't count the "just missed." Just the original 10.
So I ruled out the two most popular picks (Ramczyk, Njoku) and left out Lamp, Willis and Bowser who everyone seems to think are all of a sudden serious options. And that is not enough for you?
You guys are tough to please.
No, Jordan - we have to count them all because if NYG choose one from that 2nd list and someone tries to bust your balls for your top 10 not being chosen, your witty reply will be "well, I did have him on my just missed list, so I wasn't that far off"
So we'll only count 10 if you refrain from referencing your just missed list if no one from your top 10 is chosen. Deal?
Haven't heard OL but am concerned they'll force one.
Jon, do you feel that the Giants like Bowser's speed/size combo over Davis'? Seems like Bowser would be the better pass rusher too, no?
This is cringe worthy. Please don't.
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He has 4 more down below. Hmm given 14 players per team I think I could get the whole first round right.
Jeez. You guys as a collective group do a lot of complaining. Don't count the "just missed." Just the original 10.
So I ruled out the two most popular picks (Ramczyk, Njoku) and left out Lamp, Willis and Bowser who everyone seems to think are all of a sudden serious options. And that is not enough for you?
You guys are tough to please.
I think it is just good-natured ball busting. Dont read into it. Thanks Jordan.
That's where I was coming from. It is - after all - a top ten list of something that's purely speculative, grain of salt is the name of the game anyway.
Yes, the line needs help and perhaps a camp casualty to pick up a vet.
TE is loaded and they will probably secure one on Friday while RB can be had in the later rounds.
I'm really excited to have a dominating D again and that alone helps this O with field position.
(Which is odd, because until he said that I hadn't seen these guys talked about as 1st round picks very often.)
So 4 of the guys who are supposedly on our short list don't make Jordan's top 10? Interesting.
He didn't mention watt. I didn't see that. He commented on watt being possible but his five were reddick lamp bowser Willis and Davis
If you think about it by him reporting the Giants interest in Floyd and Conklin he may have influenced two different trade that lead to the Giants picking their "C" option (though Apple appears to be a good pick). Jordan's always done a great job of getting inside intell and reporting it. Last year it impacted the Giants and they may want to avoid a similar situation this year.
The whole idea of another team "knowing" who the Giants want and then making a move to foil the Giants plans or just trade up and disregard their draft board is preposterous.
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OJ and Bowser, but not heard ZC or Njoku.
Haven't heard OL but am concerned they'll force one.
Jon, do you feel that the Giants like Bowser's speed/size combo over Davis'? Seems like Bowser would be the better pass rusher too, no?
I would think so, Bowser is the hybrid edge rusher whereas Davis or Reddick project to pure WILL.
Harris? wtf.
Proverbial remote throwers.
I hope we get lucky with Howard or McCaffrey if those are the choices.
They've been trying to fill that Joker/LEO role for awhile.
Sintim
Schofield
Last years Leonard Floyd interest
I dunno, Dan. Making a well informed guess based on knowledge of the team's needs and the way they may think/value positions and players measurables, it should be narrowed to top 3, IMO.
It's a pretty accurate list of guys who should be in the mix.
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He has 4 more down below. Hmm given 14 players per team I think I could get the whole first round right.
Jeez. You guys as a collective group do a lot of complaining. Don't count the "just missed." Just the original 10.
So I ruled out the two most popular picks (Ramczyk, Njoku) and left out Lamp, Willis and Bowser who everyone seems to think are all of a sudden serious options. And that is not enough for you?
You guys are tough to please.
No, Jordan - we have to count them all because if NYG choose one from that 2nd list and someone tries to bust your balls for your top 10 not being chosen, your witty reply will be "well, I did have him on my just missed list, so I wasn't that far off"
So we'll only count 10 if you refrain from referencing your just missed list if no one from your top 10 is chosen. Deal?
Deal!
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He has 4 more down below. Hmm given 14 players per team I think I could get the whole first round right.
Jeez. You guys as a collective group do a lot of complaining. Don't count the "just missed." Just the original 10.
So I ruled out the two most popular picks (Ramczyk, Njoku) and left out Lamp, Willis and Bowser who everyone seems to think are all of a sudden serious options. And that is not enough for you?
You guys are tough to please.
All said with a big smile. I love your writing.
My point is we can't wait for the draft and this just feels like betting 10$ on 10 teams to win the SB. I would much rather here what player you really think they will take, all things considered. Reading the same amount of words just on why it will be Davis for example. Maybe I'm being weird.
I wouldn't say speculation. I would say informed opinion. I talk to a lot of sources to find out who they do or don't like. Then I try to piece it together. Nobody is telling me or anybody who they're going to pick. The Giants don't know right now. It depends on 22 other picks.