would be to very easily walk away. You think when she pushed him(barely, I'm not sure I'd even call it a push) that he was thinking.....I could have slipped on soda! So that's why he bashed her face?
defend the lesser of two crimes its going to look like you care more about the lesser of the two crimes. I don't actually think that of you, but again, its a hard message to convey on a message board.
I hear what your saying UConn but that's because people don't want to hear that she bares some blame in what happened. And I'm sorry that the statement bothers them so... but it's true. Ignoring her actions... which caused his (over)reaction... is wrong. It's what started the his act of punching her. Why this continues to be excused it both telling and alarming.
Please see FMIC's last post. If a kid kicks you in the shin, does he get what he deserves when you knock his teeth out?
Her actions were pretty harmless. The lesson that she needs to learn is that there are people that are POS and do bad things so keep your hands to yourself so you aren't a victim.
I still wouldn't be OK with it, but it also wouldn't have broken her face so it wouldn't be this big of a story. I said it in the thread the other week but I've seen guys get smacked at frat parties after saying something stupid to girls who deny them. They all take it like a man and move on.
She's wrong, I just don't know why we need to keep addressing that she was wrong. Her slap didn't hurt him, break his face, or give him an injury that will ruin his NFL career.
It was wrong because she doesn't know what a POS the other person it, but it was harmless. Completely harmless.
Ok... maybe you don't get it... because no matter how harmless what she did was... if she just keeps her hands to herself... she doesn't have to worry about getting hit. Period.
is that I am aware she is the victim. You however say she is to blame. What she did was harmless, but her problem was not knowing that the other person was the scum of the earth.
Hey, don't walk down 42nd street, there are bad people down there. If you do and you get mugged or killed...it's your fault.
I still wouldn't be OK with it, but it also wouldn't have broken her face so it wouldn't be this big of a story. I said it in the thread the other week but I've seen guys get smacked at frat parties after saying something stupid to girls who deny them. They all take it like a man and move on.
She's wrong, I just don't know why we need to keep addressing that she was wrong. Her slap didn't hurt him, break his face, or give him an injury that will ruin his NFL career.
We only 'keep addressing' it because her part in it keeps getting either dismissed or downplayed when it was her actions... no matter who light that action may have been... that brought on his reaction. Some don't seem to want to accept that though.
is that I am aware she is the victim. You however say she is to blame. What she did was harmless, but her problem was not knowing that the other person was the scum of the earth.
Hey, don't walk down 42nd street, there are bad people down there. If you do and you get mugged or killed...it's your fault.
She is a victim... but she also to blame. He didn't just walk up to her and hit her... his punch was a retaliation for her push and slap. Was it an overreaction on his part? Yeah... that I agree completely with. But that doesn't absolve her of the blame she deserves because she put her hands on him first!
Wow.
Let me try to put it this way... and see if it helps you guys
Just as we can all agree that the push and slap (or, smh, half slap if you want to call it that) that the girl gave to Mixon didn't deserve for her to receive a full on punch in the mouth from him... can we also agree that Mixon calling her friend a gay slur didn't deserve a push and a slap (or half-slap) from the girl?
all over this thread. It was 100% harmless. She barely touches him. That fact that you are trying to make it sound way worse than it is, is telling to me.
much of a problem if Mixon pushed her away lightly.
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Ok... so let me ask you this... had Mixon simply slapped her back... would that be ok?
If he's pushing her aside as a way to extract himself and it is done without harm, I don't see a problem there. A slap gets into a discussion about raising a hand and all that.
Just as if a youth pushed me, I'd probably just push my way around him without doing anything that could constitute harm.
Call it apples to oranges, but if a person doesn't know their strength relative to another person, that's a big issue.
all over this thread. It was 100% harmless. She barely touches him. That fact that you are trying to make it sound way worse than it is, is telling to me.
The point... which you've been consistently missing... is that she shouldn't have put her hands on him in the first place.
You or anyone else want to 2:41 post? Or are we going to conveniently skip it?
Keith, there are two stories from two different parties
all we have to go off is the video. The stuff prior is very much murky.
To me, anything that happens before or after the video is irrelevant. Racial slur, gay slur, doesn't matter. Those are reasons for people to be agitated. She touches him, nothing that can inflict any sort of harm(luckily there wasn't any soda spilled on the ground to end his career). For a man to do that to a woman, says antyhing I need to know about him. Her fault is not realizing that people are POS and bad, bad people. It's not her fault she got laid out.
much of a problem if Mixon pushed her away lightly.
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Ok... so let me ask you this... had Mixon simply slapped her back... would that be ok?
If he's pushing her aside as a way to extract himself and it is done without harm, I don't see a problem there. A slap gets into a discussion about raising a hand and all that.
Just as if a youth pushed me, I'd probably just push my way around him without doing anything that could constitute harm.
Call it apples to oranges, but if a person doesn't know their strength relative to another person, that's a big issue.
One would then argue that a smaller person should have the common sense to NOT touch.. must less push and slap... a bigger person.
RE: RE: Keith, there are two stories from two different parties
all we have to go off is the video. The stuff prior is very much murky.
To me, anything that happens before or after the video is irrelevant. Racial slur, gay slur, doesn't matter. Those are reasons for people to be agitated. She touches him, nothing that can inflict any sort of harm(luckily there wasn't any soda spilled on the ground to end his career). For a man to do that to a woman, says antyhing I need to know about him. Her fault is not realizing that people are POS and bad, bad people. It's not her fault she got laid out.
I was pretty much... not totally, but pretty much... with you until that last sentence.
That last sentence is wrong. It's COMPLETELY her fault she got laid out. If she doesn't 'touch' (soon it's gonna be she just breathed on him) him, he doesn't touch her. Therefore, it's ALL her fault she got laid out. I know it makes some of you uncomfortable to hear and accept that... but it's the truth.
hard for me to put much fault at anyone who doesn't use a closed fist to strike somebody and gets violently thrashed.
Any "what ifs" get dismissed as not being great parallels, but I keep going back to if somebody you're physically superior lashes out to you with a light push or a light slap, I just don't think you then can place blame. I mean, even if you get slapped hard by a woman, it is tough to justify.
If a Dad punches his son for discipline and gets an ass whooping back, people can see that point. If a mom slaps her son and the Son full on smashes her face with a punch in return, not many are going to see that as acceptable, and the Mom probably delivered the blow with force.
It isn't just the factor of being violent to a child, the elderly or a woman, it is the fact that the initial physicality didn't even pass any standard as being harmful.
Again, people will rip on scenarios, think about how many times you've been at a party or a bar and a drunk girl calls somebody an asshole and probably gives the old drunken push to them - they don't deserve to get cold-cocked, even if you think they are wrong for laying hands on somebody. Using that criteria, you can probably reason away any blunt force as a response to simply being touched.
hard for me to put much fault at anyone who doesn't use a closed fist to strike somebody and gets violently thrashed.
Any "what ifs" get dismissed as not being great parallels, but I keep going back to if somebody you're physically superior lashes out to you with a light push or a light slap, I just don't think you then can place blame. I mean, even if you get slapped hard by a woman, it is tough to justify.
If a Dad punches his son for discipline and gets an ass whooping back, people can see that point. If a mom slaps her son and the Son full on smashes her face with a punch in return, not many are going to see that as acceptable, and the Mom probably delivered the blow with force.
It isn't just the factor of being violent to a child, the elderly or a woman, it is the fact that the initial physicality didn't even pass any standard as being harmful.
Again, people will rip on scenarios, think about how many times you've been at a party or a bar and a drunk girl calls somebody an asshole and probably gives the old drunken push to them - they don't deserve to get cold-cocked, even if you think they are wrong for laying hands on somebody. Using that criteria, you can probably reason away any blunt force as a response to simply being touched.
You can dress it up as many different ways as you want... a person shouldn't put their hands on another person. Again, you keep wanting to put the onus on Mixon's punch... and I agree that it deserves more scrutiny and vitriol than her slap... but what I don't agree with is that it was within her right to touch him in any way, shape or form. Why this very simple point continues to elude some of you I have no idea.
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Any "what ifs" get dismissed as not being great parallels, but I keep going back to if somebody you're physically superior lashes out to you with a light push or a light slap, I just don't think you then can place blame. I mean, even if you get slapped hard by a woman, it is tough to justify.
Again... I agree that Mixon's punch wasn't necessary.
What I disagree with is how you don't place blame on her for putting her hands on him first because his reaction was stronger than you or I think it should've been. That's the part that is continuing to confuse me. His reaction doesn't justify her action.
If the girl or her associate called him a racial slur to kick things off, I'm less sympathetic, but acknowledge Mixon should have used better judgement and self control. Unfortunately, whether or not people on this board will acknowledge it or not, people have been known to use certain words to try to elicit a reaction, or they end up getting a much stronger reaction than they bargained for. I always think of the Westboro Baptist Church, they say shit to rile you up, but be sure to use every ounce of self control not to react, because they're trying to elicit a response to get litigious.
If the girl or her associate called him a racial slur to kick things off, I'm less sympathetic, but acknowledge Mixon should have used better judgement and self control. Unfortunately, whether or not people on this board will acknowledge it or not, people have been known to use certain words to try to elicit a reaction, or they end up getting a much stronger reaction than they bargained for. I always think of the Westboro Baptist Church, they say shit to rile you up, but be sure to use every ounce of self control not to react, because they're trying to elicit a response to get litigious.
I agree... Mixon was wrong.
So was she.
Mixon was perhaps more wrong than her (I think so) but that doesn't mean she wasn't wrong also.
But for some reason the last part of that sentence bothers some.
I think we both see two sides to a story from Mixon and Molitor's camp, and acknowledge that actions from BOTH parties built up to the end result we have here. I think you and I agree that Mixon holds the MOST culpability here. If it were a female member of my family or one of my friends that infact used a slur, and she got decked, I'd certainly have a bone to pick with the guy who threw hands, but also be looking at the girl like "you shouldn't have said that, what were you thinking?"
it is "dressing it up" to not think a woman making contact with somebody that doesn't do harm is wrong.
Call it dressing it up, but if a slight push is able to elicit a violent smashing, the problem isn't with the girl, and I'm not sure what value is there can be to say she's at fault X% or partially at fault. That's where the comparisons to old men and kids comes in. There are lines that aren't to be crossed, no matter what, and this is one of them.
And it is sort of a strange point to dwell on if the girl is at fault, because it doesn't lessen Mixon's culpability a single bit. Whether laying hands on somebody is 100% wrong, 50% wrong or 22.67539% wrong really doesn't matter.
I think we both see two sides to a story from Mixon and Molitor's camp, and acknowledge that actions from BOTH parties built up to the end result we have here. I think you and I agree that Mixon holds the MOST culpability here. If it were a female member of my family or one of my friends that infact used a slur, and she got decked, I'd certainly have a bone to pick with the guy who threw hands, but also be looking at the girl like "you shouldn't have said that, what were you thinking?"
Exactly!
For whatever reason, some here don't want to see the 'other' side. As if she had a right to put her hands on him because he called her friend a gay slur.
it is "dressing it up" to not think a woman making contact with somebody that doesn't do harm is wrong.
Call it dressing it up, but if a slight push is able to elicit a violent smashing, the problem isn't with the girl, and I'm not sure what value is there can be to say she's at fault X% or partially at fault. That's where the comparisons to old men and kids comes in. There are lines that aren't to be crossed, no matter what, and this is one of them.
And it is sort of a strange point to dwell on if the girl is at fault, because it doesn't lessen Mixon's culpability a single bit. Whether laying hands on somebody is 100% wrong, 50% wrong or 22.67539% wrong really doesn't matter.
See... where we disagree is thinking that she has a right to put her hands on him even if it's in a non-hurtful way. She has NO right to put her hands on him. Period. End of story.
The only reason why I'm 'dwelling' on it is because it appears no one wants to admit that she was in the wrong in the first place. I have no issue with anyone saying 'Yeah, what Mixon did was fucked up... but she shouldn't have put her hands on him.' but that's not something that I've seen said. All I've been hearing is how her putting her hands on him didn't hurt... and my point is that it doesn't matter whether it hurt or not... she shouldn't have put her hands on him period. Yeah... his punch went waaay over the line considering what she did to him... but the fact still remains that if she didn't touch him, he continues to walk away and doesn't touch her.
with being on here all the time, I still don't believe ALL MY POSTS in a year, add up to all the words you have typed on this thread..😎😎.
You must be exhausted, my friend..👏🏼👍😍
I'm not tired of typing as much as I'm exhausted trying to point out something that I think... or should I say thought... everyone would agree with... and that's that no one should put their hands on someone else in an aggressive manner (whether that be a push, slight push, slap, half slap or any other way that's been described by some here) unless they're prepared to suffer whatever consequences may come from their action(s). Whoopi Goldberg does a great job of explaining exactly what I mean in the video at the bottom of the link I shared earlier in this thread. If the Molitor doesn't put her hands on Mixon, Mixon doesn't put his hands on her and this incident doesn't happen. That's a fact. But yet it's a fact that seems to bother some.
Just as we can all agree that the push and slap (or, smh, half slap if you want to call it that) that the girl gave to Mixon didn't deserve for her to receive a full on punch in the mouth from him... can we also agree that Mixon calling her friend a gay slur didn't deserve a push and a slap (or half-slap) from the girl?
Can we all agree on that?
Yes, just so someone can answer you. We can agree on that. But i've said that repeatedly anyway.
My problem is the argument isn't over there. It allows you to make your point, and I guess that's great. The larger issue is what Mixon did in response to that.
Like it or not, stuff like this happens all the time and rarely does it end in a woman's face getting broken.
RE: Let me try to put it this way... and see if it helps you guys
Just as we can all agree that the push and slap (or, smh, half slap if you want to call it that) that the girl gave to Mixon didn't deserve for her to receive a full on punch in the mouth from him... can we also agree that Mixon calling her friend a gay slur didn't deserve a push and a slap (or half-slap) from the girl?
Can we all agree on that?
Interesting that some people seem to believe that he was called a gay slur, but the possibility that the n word was used is just brushed aside.
RE: RE: Let me try to put it this way... and see if it helps you guys
Just as we can all agree that the push and slap (or, smh, half slap if you want to call it that) that the girl gave to Mixon didn't deserve for her to receive a full on punch in the mouth from him... can we also agree that Mixon calling her friend a gay slur didn't deserve a push and a slap (or half-slap) from the girl?
Can we all agree on that?
Yes, just so someone can answer you. We can agree on that. But i've said that repeatedly anyway.
My problem is the argument isn't over there. It allows you to make your point, and I guess that's great. The larger issue is what Mixon did in response to that.
Like it or not, stuff like this happens all the time and rarely does it end in a woman's face getting broken.
Thank you. Whether you've been agreeing with it or not, it doesn't appear that it's even been part of the argument for most. What Mixon did may be the larger issue but it's not the only issue and the fact that some have tried to soften, if not completely ignore, her role in what happened is what my problem is.
If stuff like this happens 'all the time' then more people need to understand that they need to keep their hands to themselves... and that goes for men AND women (and even kids, and old folks and....). When my almost 2 year old son hits one of the other kids I don't say 'Well he's 2, so it's ok.'. No, I tell him it's not right to hit other kids even if he is smaller than them because one day one of the bigger ones may get tired of it and hit him back... and he'll have deserved it.
RE: RE: Let me try to put it this way... and see if it helps you guys
Just as we can all agree that the push and slap (or, smh, half slap if you want to call it that) that the girl gave to Mixon didn't deserve for her to receive a full on punch in the mouth from him... can we also agree that Mixon calling her friend a gay slur didn't deserve a push and a slap (or half-slap) from the girl?
Can we all agree on that?
Interesting that some people seem to believe that he was called a gay slur, but the possibility that the n word was used is just brushed aside.
Oh yeah... it's easy to believe the big, bad football player called someone a gay slur... but the pretty, blond girl calling someone that?
to protect the innocent Mixon, but who are you referring to with regards to the gay slur and racial slur? Maybe I missed it, but where is it that people are attackign him for the gay slur, but glancing over the racial slur? Just curious.
even with all that said, even if she had called him a racial slur, it still wouldn't have given him the right to put his hands on her... just as it wasn't her right to put her hands on him for calling her friend a gay slur.
to protect the innocent Mixon, but who are you referring to with regards to the gay slur and racial slur? Maybe I missed it, but where is it that people are attackign him for the gay slur, but glancing over the racial slur? Just curious.
Here is what i agree with: she should not have touched him.
Here is where you lose me on this one: when you said she "earned" her broken jaw
My read is that you conflate those two items and on the second I think you are very wrong to equate her wrong with a 230 pound athlete slugging anyone with malicious intent.
Hope you are well TBone. Over the years we have often agreed. I am sure we will often in the years ahead.
Here is what i agree with: she should not have touched him.
Here is where you lose me on this one: when you said she "earned" her broken jaw
My read is that you conflate those two items and on the second I think you are very wrong to equate her wrong with a 230 pound athlete slugging anyone with malicious intent.
Hope you are well TBone. Over the years we have often agreed. I am sure we will often in the years ahead.
Ok... I can see how me saying she 'earned' what she got would rub some the wrong way and I think I'd like to admit that using that word was a mistake and would like to retract it because it implies that I believe she deserved to be hit by Mixon the way he hit her (which I don't think she did). My bad on that one and I retract that statement.
I'm glad at least a few are able to see my point. It was never to belittle or negate what Mixon did... which I've said repeatedly since I got involved in this topic. But what's bothered me is the seemingly lack of responsibility put on Molitor for putting her hands on him in the first place. I just don't think that's fair not only to Mixon (who honestly, I don't really care much about being fair to) but to all men who have had women put their hands on them. Just as we shouldn't put our hands on them, they shouldn't put their hands on us. That's all I've been saying the whole time.
I'm ok and I hope you are as well. It makes me feel a bit better to see that you get, understand and agree with what I've been trying to say because you've always been one of the more level-headed posters ever to grace this site and if you disagreed with me I'd have felt the need to really re-evaluate my position on this topic. Take care and God bless.
TBone. All good. I just thought that was the mis wording that got folks tangled up in what you were trying to say.
I especially liked your point about guidance to daughters and women. As girls appropriately are "allowed" to express themselves in sports and generally it is possible ( especially if prone to impulsive when out with friends) to mistake the positives of "gurl power" with the distinct difference in possible outcomes if a guy gets equally mouthy and prone to bravado.
I am somehow reminded of a guy I knew who worked in one of the Northeasts worse prisons for hardened cases. " These young guys make a mistake and go to far after years of being able to knock over little old ladies and or dominate store owners when with their group. They are used to being aggressors and living with defiant swagger. Then they come in here and for the first time in their lives they are the hunted in a zoo with real actual nothing to lose hard hard men. For the first time they get to know what its like to have a predator walking behind you and a group of them walking towards you."
Oklahoma RB Joe Mixon reached a civil settlement with the woman he punched in 2014.
Amelia Molitor filed a lawsuit against Mixon after he struck her during an altercation in July of 2014. In a joint statement, both parties announced that the lawsuit has been "amicably resolved and dismissed." Mixon said he apologized to Molitor for his actions in a 1-on-1 meeting. "The way I reacted that night, that's not me," said Mixon. "That's not the way I was raised. I think she understands that." Mixon no longer has a lawsuit hanging over his head, but it's still unclear how NFL teams view him in the wake of this disturbing incident
TBone. All good. I just thought that was the mis wording that got folks tangled up in what you were trying to say.
I especially liked your point about guidance to daughters and women. As girls appropriately are "allowed" to express themselves in sports and generally it is possible ( especially if prone to impulsive when out with friends) to mistake the positives of "gurl power" with the distinct difference in possible outcomes if a guy gets equally mouthy and prone to bravado.
I am somehow reminded of a guy I knew who worked in one of the Northeasts worse prisons for hardened cases. " These young guys make a mistake and go to far after years of being able to knock over little old ladies and or dominate store owners when with their group. They are used to being aggressors and living with defiant swagger. Then they come in here and for the first time in their lives they are the hunted in a zoo with real actual nothing to lose hard hard men. For the first time they get to know what its like to have a predator walking behind you and a group of them walking towards you."
Take care my friend
I believe you understand what I'm trying to say. All I'm trying to say is that this whole incident should be just as much a teaching moment for Moliter as it should be for Mixon. Only after hours of arguing have some begrudgingly agree with me that she deserves at least some blame when absolutely none was being given. I know. I've paid attention to the other Mixon threads but never said anything because, frankly, I've been too busy. I'm not sure I saw it pointed out once that although Mixon overreacted (big time) it should be noted that the woman put her hands on him first. That's not to imply anything more or less and she needs to understand that if you don't want to have some one put their hands on you, don't put your hands on them. That's not excusing or defending what Mixon did at all. I can't make that point clearer.
I'm hoping the recent settlement they reached brings some closure for both of them and they both learned a lesson from this incident.
Oklahoma RB Joe Mixon reached a civil settlement with the woman he punched in 2014.
Amelia Molitor filed a lawsuit against Mixon after he struck her during an altercation in July of 2014. In a joint statement, both parties announced that the lawsuit has been "amicably resolved and dismissed." Mixon said he apologized to Molitor for his actions in a 1-on-1 meeting. "The way I reacted that night, that's not me," said Mixon. "That's not the way I was raised. I think she understands that." Mixon no longer has a lawsuit hanging over his head, but it's still unclear how NFL teams view him in the wake of this disturbing incident
I hear what your saying UConn but that's because people don't want to hear that she bares some blame in what happened. And I'm sorry that the statement bothers them so... but it's true. Ignoring her actions... which caused his (over)reaction... is wrong. It's what started the his act of punching her. Why this continues to be excused it both telling and alarming.
Her actions were pretty harmless. The lesson that she needs to learn is that there are people that are POS and do bad things so keep your hands to yourself so you aren't a victim.
You finally get it!!!!!! THANK YOU!!!!!
She's wrong, I just don't know why we need to keep addressing that she was wrong. Her slap didn't hurt him, break his face, or give him an injury that will ruin his NFL career.
Ok... maybe you don't get it... because no matter how harmless what she did was... if she just keeps her hands to herself... she doesn't have to worry about getting hit. Period.
Hey, don't walk down 42nd street, there are bad people down there. If you do and you get mugged or killed...it's your fault.
She's wrong, I just don't know why we need to keep addressing that she was wrong. Her slap didn't hurt him, break his face, or give him an injury that will ruin his NFL career.
We only 'keep addressing' it because her part in it keeps getting either dismissed or downplayed when it was her actions... no matter who light that action may have been... that brought on his reaction. Some don't seem to want to accept that though.
Hey, don't walk down 42nd street, there are bad people down there. If you do and you get mugged or killed...it's your fault.
She is a victim... but she also to blame. He didn't just walk up to her and hit her... his punch was a retaliation for her push and slap. Was it an overreaction on his part? Yeah... that I agree completely with. But that doesn't absolve her of the blame she deserves because she put her hands on him first!
Wow.
Just as we can all agree that the push and slap (or, smh, half slap if you want to call it that) that the girl gave to Mixon didn't deserve for her to receive a full on punch in the mouth from him... can we also agree that Mixon calling her friend a gay slur didn't deserve a push and a slap (or half-slap) from the girl?
Can we all agree on that?
Now it wasn't even a push.
And you mean that's when she 'half slapped him' right?
By tomorrow the story is going to be he just walked up to her and punched her for no reason.
If he's pushing her aside as a way to extract himself and it is done without harm, I don't see a problem there. A slap gets into a discussion about raising a hand and all that.
Just as if a youth pushed me, I'd probably just push my way around him without doing anything that could constitute harm.
Call it apples to oranges, but if a person doesn't know their strength relative to another person, that's a big issue.
The point... which you've been consistently missing... is that she shouldn't have put her hands on him in the first place.
You or anyone else want to 2:41 post? Or are we going to conveniently skip it?
We must be looking at two different videos.
Well she denies that was said (which of course means it's true) so I've been leaving that part out.
To me, anything that happens before or after the video is irrelevant. Racial slur, gay slur, doesn't matter. Those are reasons for people to be agitated. She touches him, nothing that can inflict any sort of harm(luckily there wasn't any soda spilled on the ground to end his career). For a man to do that to a woman, says antyhing I need to know about him. Her fault is not realizing that people are POS and bad, bad people. It's not her fault she got laid out.
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Ok... so let me ask you this... had Mixon simply slapped her back... would that be ok?
If he's pushing her aside as a way to extract himself and it is done without harm, I don't see a problem there. A slap gets into a discussion about raising a hand and all that.
Just as if a youth pushed me, I'd probably just push my way around him without doing anything that could constitute harm.
Call it apples to oranges, but if a person doesn't know their strength relative to another person, that's a big issue.
One would then argue that a smaller person should have the common sense to NOT touch.. must less push and slap... a bigger person.
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all we have to go off is the video. The stuff prior is very much murky.
To me, anything that happens before or after the video is irrelevant. Racial slur, gay slur, doesn't matter. Those are reasons for people to be agitated. She touches him, nothing that can inflict any sort of harm(luckily there wasn't any soda spilled on the ground to end his career). For a man to do that to a woman, says antyhing I need to know about him. Her fault is not realizing that people are POS and bad, bad people. It's not her fault she got laid out.
I was pretty much... not totally, but pretty much... with you until that last sentence.
That last sentence is wrong. It's COMPLETELY her fault she got laid out. If she doesn't 'touch' (soon it's gonna be she just breathed on him) him, he doesn't touch her. Therefore, it's ALL her fault she got laid out. I know it makes some of you uncomfortable to hear and accept that... but it's the truth.
Any "what ifs" get dismissed as not being great parallels, but I keep going back to if somebody you're physically superior lashes out to you with a light push or a light slap, I just don't think you then can place blame. I mean, even if you get slapped hard by a woman, it is tough to justify.
If a Dad punches his son for discipline and gets an ass whooping back, people can see that point. If a mom slaps her son and the Son full on smashes her face with a punch in return, not many are going to see that as acceptable, and the Mom probably delivered the blow with force.
It isn't just the factor of being violent to a child, the elderly or a woman, it is the fact that the initial physicality didn't even pass any standard as being harmful.
Again, people will rip on scenarios, think about how many times you've been at a party or a bar and a drunk girl calls somebody an asshole and probably gives the old drunken push to them - they don't deserve to get cold-cocked, even if you think they are wrong for laying hands on somebody. Using that criteria, you can probably reason away any blunt force as a response to simply being touched.
Any "what ifs" get dismissed as not being great parallels, but I keep going back to if somebody you're physically superior lashes out to you with a light push or a light slap, I just don't think you then can place blame. I mean, even if you get slapped hard by a woman, it is tough to justify.
If a Dad punches his son for discipline and gets an ass whooping back, people can see that point. If a mom slaps her son and the Son full on smashes her face with a punch in return, not many are going to see that as acceptable, and the Mom probably delivered the blow with force.
It isn't just the factor of being violent to a child, the elderly or a woman, it is the fact that the initial physicality didn't even pass any standard as being harmful.
Again, people will rip on scenarios, think about how many times you've been at a party or a bar and a drunk girl calls somebody an asshole and probably gives the old drunken push to them - they don't deserve to get cold-cocked, even if you think they are wrong for laying hands on somebody. Using that criteria, you can probably reason away any blunt force as a response to simply being touched.
You can dress it up as many different ways as you want... a person shouldn't put their hands on another person. Again, you keep wanting to put the onus on Mixon's punch... and I agree that it deserves more scrutiny and vitriol than her slap... but what I don't agree with is that it was within her right to touch him in any way, shape or form. Why this very simple point continues to elude some of you I have no idea.
Again... I agree that Mixon's punch wasn't necessary.
What I disagree with is how you don't place blame on her for putting her hands on him first because his reaction was stronger than you or I think it should've been. That's the part that is continuing to confuse me. His reaction doesn't justify her action.
I agree... Mixon was wrong.
So was she.
Mixon was perhaps more wrong than her (I think so) but that doesn't mean she wasn't wrong also.
But for some reason the last part of that sentence bothers some.
Call it dressing it up, but if a slight push is able to elicit a violent smashing, the problem isn't with the girl, and I'm not sure what value is there can be to say she's at fault X% or partially at fault. That's where the comparisons to old men and kids comes in. There are lines that aren't to be crossed, no matter what, and this is one of them.
And it is sort of a strange point to dwell on if the girl is at fault, because it doesn't lessen Mixon's culpability a single bit. Whether laying hands on somebody is 100% wrong, 50% wrong or 22.67539% wrong really doesn't matter.
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Exactly!
For whatever reason, some here don't want to see the 'other' side. As if she had a right to put her hands on him because he called her friend a gay slur.
Call it dressing it up, but if a slight push is able to elicit a violent smashing, the problem isn't with the girl, and I'm not sure what value is there can be to say she's at fault X% or partially at fault. That's where the comparisons to old men and kids comes in. There are lines that aren't to be crossed, no matter what, and this is one of them.
And it is sort of a strange point to dwell on if the girl is at fault, because it doesn't lessen Mixon's culpability a single bit. Whether laying hands on somebody is 100% wrong, 50% wrong or 22.67539% wrong really doesn't matter.
See... where we disagree is thinking that she has a right to put her hands on him even if it's in a non-hurtful way. She has NO right to put her hands on him. Period. End of story.
The only reason why I'm 'dwelling' on it is because it appears no one wants to admit that she was in the wrong in the first place. I have no issue with anyone saying 'Yeah, what Mixon did was fucked up... but she shouldn't have put her hands on him.' but that's not something that I've seen said. All I've been hearing is how her putting her hands on him didn't hurt... and my point is that it doesn't matter whether it hurt or not... she shouldn't have put her hands on him period. Yeah... his punch went waaay over the line considering what she did to him... but the fact still remains that if she didn't touch him, he continues to walk away and doesn't touch her.
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I'm not tired of typing as much as I'm exhausted trying to point out something that I think... or should I say thought... everyone would agree with... and that's that no one should put their hands on someone else in an aggressive manner (whether that be a push, slight push, slap, half slap or any other way that's been described by some here) unless they're prepared to suffer whatever consequences may come from their action(s). Whoopi Goldberg does a great job of explaining exactly what I mean in the video at the bottom of the link I shared earlier in this thread. If the Molitor doesn't put her hands on Mixon, Mixon doesn't put his hands on her and this incident doesn't happen. That's a fact. But yet it's a fact that seems to bother some.
Just as we can all agree that the push and slap (or, smh, half slap if you want to call it that) that the girl gave to Mixon didn't deserve for her to receive a full on punch in the mouth from him... can we also agree that Mixon calling her friend a gay slur didn't deserve a push and a slap (or half-slap) from the girl?
Can we all agree on that?
Yes, just so someone can answer you. We can agree on that. But i've said that repeatedly anyway.
My problem is the argument isn't over there. It allows you to make your point, and I guess that's great. The larger issue is what Mixon did in response to that.
Like it or not, stuff like this happens all the time and rarely does it end in a woman's face getting broken.
Just as we can all agree that the push and slap (or, smh, half slap if you want to call it that) that the girl gave to Mixon didn't deserve for her to receive a full on punch in the mouth from him... can we also agree that Mixon calling her friend a gay slur didn't deserve a push and a slap (or half-slap) from the girl?
Can we all agree on that?
Interesting that some people seem to believe that he was called a gay slur, but the possibility that the n word was used is just brushed aside.
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understand my point.
Just as we can all agree that the push and slap (or, smh, half slap if you want to call it that) that the girl gave to Mixon didn't deserve for her to receive a full on punch in the mouth from him... can we also agree that Mixon calling her friend a gay slur didn't deserve a push and a slap (or half-slap) from the girl?
Can we all agree on that?
Yes, just so someone can answer you. We can agree on that. But i've said that repeatedly anyway.
My problem is the argument isn't over there. It allows you to make your point, and I guess that's great. The larger issue is what Mixon did in response to that.
Like it or not, stuff like this happens all the time and rarely does it end in a woman's face getting broken.
Thank you. Whether you've been agreeing with it or not, it doesn't appear that it's even been part of the argument for most. What Mixon did may be the larger issue but it's not the only issue and the fact that some have tried to soften, if not completely ignore, her role in what happened is what my problem is.
If stuff like this happens 'all the time' then more people need to understand that they need to keep their hands to themselves... and that goes for men AND women (and even kids, and old folks and....). When my almost 2 year old son hits one of the other kids I don't say 'Well he's 2, so it's ok.'. No, I tell him it's not right to hit other kids even if he is smaller than them because one day one of the bigger ones may get tired of it and hit him back... and he'll have deserved it.
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understand my point.
Just as we can all agree that the push and slap (or, smh, half slap if you want to call it that) that the girl gave to Mixon didn't deserve for her to receive a full on punch in the mouth from him... can we also agree that Mixon calling her friend a gay slur didn't deserve a push and a slap (or half-slap) from the girl?
Can we all agree on that?
Interesting that some people seem to believe that he was called a gay slur, but the possibility that the n word was used is just brushed aside.
Oh yeah... it's easy to believe the big, bad football player called someone a gay slur... but the pretty, blond girl calling someone that?
We're done Keith. Have a great weekend!
Here is where you lose me on this one: when you said she "earned" her broken jaw
My read is that you conflate those two items and on the second I think you are very wrong to equate her wrong with a 230 pound athlete slugging anyone with malicious intent.
Hope you are well TBone. Over the years we have often agreed. I am sure we will often in the years ahead.
Here is where you lose me on this one: when you said she "earned" her broken jaw
My read is that you conflate those two items and on the second I think you are very wrong to equate her wrong with a 230 pound athlete slugging anyone with malicious intent.
Hope you are well TBone. Over the years we have often agreed. I am sure we will often in the years ahead.
Ok... I can see how me saying she 'earned' what she got would rub some the wrong way and I think I'd like to admit that using that word was a mistake and would like to retract it because it implies that I believe she deserved to be hit by Mixon the way he hit her (which I don't think she did). My bad on that one and I retract that statement.
I'm glad at least a few are able to see my point. It was never to belittle or negate what Mixon did... which I've said repeatedly since I got involved in this topic. But what's bothered me is the seemingly lack of responsibility put on Molitor for putting her hands on him in the first place. I just don't think that's fair not only to Mixon (who honestly, I don't really care much about being fair to) but to all men who have had women put their hands on them. Just as we shouldn't put our hands on them, they shouldn't put their hands on us. That's all I've been saying the whole time.
I'm ok and I hope you are as well. It makes me feel a bit better to see that you get, understand and agree with what I've been trying to say because you've always been one of the more level-headed posters ever to grace this site and if you disagreed with me I'd have felt the need to really re-evaluate my position on this topic. Take care and God bless.
I especially liked your point about guidance to daughters and women. As girls appropriately are "allowed" to express themselves in sports and generally it is possible ( especially if prone to impulsive when out with friends) to mistake the positives of "gurl power" with the distinct difference in possible outcomes if a guy gets equally mouthy and prone to bravado.
I am somehow reminded of a guy I knew who worked in one of the Northeasts worse prisons for hardened cases. " These young guys make a mistake and go to far after years of being able to knock over little old ladies and or dominate store owners when with their group. They are used to being aggressors and living with defiant swagger. Then they come in here and for the first time in their lives they are the hunted in a zoo with real actual nothing to lose hard hard men. For the first time they get to know what its like to have a predator walking behind you and a group of them walking towards you."
Take care my friend
Oklahoma RB Joe Mixon reached a civil settlement with the woman he punched in 2014.
Amelia Molitor filed a lawsuit against Mixon after he struck her during an altercation in July of 2014. In a joint statement, both parties announced that the lawsuit has been "amicably resolved and dismissed." Mixon said he apologized to Molitor for his actions in a 1-on-1 meeting. "The way I reacted that night, that's not me," said Mixon. "That's not the way I was raised. I think she understands that." Mixon no longer has a lawsuit hanging over his head, but it's still unclear how NFL teams view him in the wake of this disturbing incident
I especially liked your point about guidance to daughters and women. As girls appropriately are "allowed" to express themselves in sports and generally it is possible ( especially if prone to impulsive when out with friends) to mistake the positives of "gurl power" with the distinct difference in possible outcomes if a guy gets equally mouthy and prone to bravado.
I am somehow reminded of a guy I knew who worked in one of the Northeasts worse prisons for hardened cases. " These young guys make a mistake and go to far after years of being able to knock over little old ladies and or dominate store owners when with their group. They are used to being aggressors and living with defiant swagger. Then they come in here and for the first time in their lives they are the hunted in a zoo with real actual nothing to lose hard hard men. For the first time they get to know what its like to have a predator walking behind you and a group of them walking towards you."
Take care my friend
I believe you understand what I'm trying to say. All I'm trying to say is that this whole incident should be just as much a teaching moment for Moliter as it should be for Mixon. Only after hours of arguing have some begrudgingly agree with me that she deserves at least some blame when absolutely none was being given. I know. I've paid attention to the other Mixon threads but never said anything because, frankly, I've been too busy. I'm not sure I saw it pointed out once that although Mixon overreacted (big time) it should be noted that the woman put her hands on him first. That's not to imply anything more or less and she needs to understand that if you don't want to have some one put their hands on you, don't put your hands on them. That's not excusing or defending what Mixon did at all. I can't make that point clearer.
I'm hoping the recent settlement they reached brings some closure for both of them and they both learned a lesson from this incident.
Have a good weekend!
T-bone I agree with you 100%. 2 wrongs don't make s right.
They were both wrong.
I chalk it up to society. I know I was brought up way different than a lot of kids back in the 50's/60's and today.
Some things never change.
Oklahoma RB Joe Mixon reached a civil settlement with the woman he punched in 2014.
Amelia Molitor filed a lawsuit against Mixon after he struck her during an altercation in July of 2014. In a joint statement, both parties announced that the lawsuit has been "amicably resolved and dismissed." Mixon said he apologized to Molitor for his actions in a 1-on-1 meeting. "The way I reacted that night, that's not me," said Mixon. "That's not the way I was raised. I think she understands that." Mixon no longer has a lawsuit hanging over his head, but it's still unclear how NFL teams view him in the wake of this disturbing incident
Wow
I wonder how much that cost Jerry Jones?