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Mixon Allegedly Hit a Girl in High School

ajr2456 : 4/19/2017 9:39 am
So much for the "it was only one time" crowd.
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IF true  
superspynyg : 4/19/2017 10:03 am : link
he is a thug. Spots never change. He should not be in the NFL.
This changes a lot  
Sonic Youth : 4/19/2017 10:04 am : link
Makes him a habitual offender and someone likely to do it again. I'd take him off the board if I was in charge and this was true.
I didn't want to get involved in the last thread  
Keith : 4/19/2017 10:07 am : link
because it was a disaster and embarressment for some people(those defending this guy). One thing that needs to be clarified......

Some say he's made a mistake and has changed his life since, but that isn't true. He made a mockery of it during the bowl game. He and his boys laughed and egged the crowd on when they chanted about the incident. He and his boys mocked the punch and Mixon was having a blast. This kid didn't learn a thing. He's an entitled meathead that thinks the world revolves around him and it probably won't end well for him.
Welp  
Giantology : 4/19/2017 10:09 am : link
There goes that career.
True too many clowns on this board  
Sec 103 : 4/19/2017 10:10 am : link
defending this behavior...
BS, if you hit a woman that is not a life threatening situation, you are about as much a man as a mouse.
No excuses. And BTW- the video was quite telling.
POS, move on....
Seems  
Harvest Blend : 4/19/2017 10:12 am : link
tailor made for Dallas. Makes too much sense.
this was brought up in the thread last week  
UConn4523 : 4/19/2017 10:13 am : link
and while its alleged, its 100% believable and likely true. All it takes is 1 team to give him a chance, but fuck him.
RE: Seems  
GuzzaBlue : 4/19/2017 10:14 am : link
In comment 13434001 Harvest Blend said:
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tailor made for Dallas. Makes too much sense.


Ha great point. Book it for the 7th rd selection.
What a waste of talent...  
GuzzaBlue : 4/19/2017 10:15 am : link
this kid has it all in terms of football.
If I'm the Giants  
Milton : 4/19/2017 10:22 am : link
He was off my draft board the minute I saw that video. I don't need confirmation from other incidents. I'm sure there are teams in the NFL that wouldn't take him in any one of the seven rounds and I'm gonna guess the Giants are one of them. What boggles my mind is that there are also teams that will leave him on their draft board and maybe even spend a 2nd or 3rd round pick on the scumbag. I just don't get it.

If I were his agent, this is the advice I would give him: take a year off from football. Use that time to focus on being a righteous individual. It's a four-step program similar to what the Giants had Christian Peter go through before they would agree to sign him to a contract...
1. Therapy (anger management, etc)
2. Continue his education via college classes
3. Hold down a real job (it could be anything from waiting tables to office clerk).
4. Community service.

He's a young guy and I'm not advocating that the NFL or society should give up on him, but he needs to earn back the right to be a member of society (and the NFL) in good-standing. The above four steps is his version of a "prove-it-to-me" deal. Short of that, fuck him.
Points well taken Milton,  
Keith : 4/19/2017 10:23 am : link
but you should be fired as an agent, haha.
Always scratch my head at Mixon defenders  
trueblueinpw : 4/19/2017 10:27 am : link
Not just the folks on this board, who are plenty, but all the people actually around this situation. He seriously injured the young women he assaulted and there simply wasn't any indication whatsoever that his attack was provoked or in anyway justified. If Mixon weren't a football player at a big time college he would almost certainly be in jail right now. Just don't get why any team would hire this punk. Really do not think he's draft-able and I have a hard time seeing very many teams willing to risk the PR nightmare which would follow him.
RE: If I'm the Giants  
Mark C : 4/19/2017 10:29 am : link
In comment 13434017 Milton said:
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He was off my draft board the minute I saw that video. I don't need confirmation from other incidents. I'm sure there are teams in the NFL that wouldn't take him in any one of the seven rounds and I'm gonna guess the Giants are one of them. What boggles my mind is that there are also teams that will leave him on their draft board and maybe even spend a 2nd or 3rd round pick on the scumbag. I just don't get it.

If I were his agent, this is the advice I would give him: take a year off from football. Use that time to focus on being a righteous individual.
It's a four-step program similar to what the Giants had Christian Peter go through before they would agree to sign him to a contract...
1. Therapy (anger management, etc)
2. Continue his education via college classes
3. Hold down a real job (it could be anything from waiting tables to office clerk).
4. Community service.

He's a young guy and I'm not advocating that the NFL or society should give up on him, but he needs to earn back the right to be a member of society (and the NFL) in good-standing. The above four steps is his version of a "prove-it-to-me" deal. Short of that, fuck him.


^^ +1
I really don't think anybody defended him  
robbieballs2003 : 4/19/2017 10:32 am : link
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that previous Mixon thread was miserable  
UConn4523 : 4/19/2017 10:33 am : link
trying to delve into the what went on in Mixon's head before he broke a girls face was just pathetic. I'll leave that one for a real therapist.
And somebody made a very good point  
robbieballs2003 : 4/19/2017 10:34 am : link
We usually visit with players we have questions about for one reason or another. We have never really met with Mixon so that screams that he is off of our board. It makes sense with the whole Josh Brown situation last year.
defended isn't the right word  
UConn4523 : 4/19/2017 10:36 am : link
more like "understood" what he did and gave reasons to almost excuse it while also, shockingly, blaming the girl he stalked and cornered.
the Giants wouldn't  
area junc : 4/19/2017 10:43 am : link
take Tunsil after the gasmask video. They aren't touching Mixon.
I typically don't care what these guys are like off the field..  
Tesla : 4/19/2017 10:44 am : link
I expect a lot of them are assholes or worse. I was pissed they cut Josh Brown cause I don't think guys should be blocked from pursuing their career for off the field stuff.

Having said all that, if the Giants draft Mixon I will actively root against him. I'll still love the Giants but every time this kid touches the ball I'll hope he fails. I'd root for him to suck so bad the we cut him, and would not cheer any success he had. Everyone has to draw the line somewhere, and for me it's with this piece of shit.
He's basically a shoe-in for Cinci,  
barens : 4/19/2017 10:54 am : link
maybe Dallas in the later rounds.
I watched a video interview with Mixon after the incident  
TheGhostofBlueGuy : 4/19/2017 11:08 am : link
This piece of garbage has learned nothing from this incident. His attitude during the interview was him acting as if he had been wronged and that he just wanted to put the incident behind him. There was no real contrition on his part and the truth of the matter is, he's a piece of garbage.

The Gianst will never acquire him so who cares  
Torrag : 4/19/2017 11:11 am : link
not in any round or even as an UDFA.
RE: I didn't want to get involved in the last thread  
River : 4/19/2017 11:11 am : link
In comment 13433994 Keith said:
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because it was a disaster and embarressment for some people(those defending this guy). One thing that needs to be clarified......

Some say he's made a mistake and has changed his life since, but that isn't true. He made a mockery of it during the bowl game. He and his boys laughed and egged the crowd on when they chanted about the incident. He and his boys mocked the punch and Mixon was having a blast. This kid didn't learn a thing. He's an entitled meathead that thinks the world revolves around him and it probably won't end well for him.


Agree.
Yep.  
732NYG : 4/19/2017 11:12 am : link
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RE: I really don't think anybody defended him  
Keith : 4/19/2017 11:15 am : link
In comment 13434047 robbieballs2003 said:
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Oh there sure were people defending Mixon. There were a few people that claimed he has a right to defend himself. There were multiple people that blamed the girl. That thread was an embarressment for sure.
Thinking back on my H.S days  
mrvax : 4/19/2017 11:36 am : link
(graduated in 1978) and then college, I do not recall hearing a single incident where a guy slugged a lady/girl. Not one single incident. If it did happen, that's the sort of story that would have spread all over even w/o social media.

Maybe the NFL should be able to "ban" certain offenders from playing in the league? Maybe they could lay out a program of redemption such as what Milton posted?

Thoughts, anyone?
RE: RE: I really don't think anybody defended him  
TheGhostofBlueGuy : 4/19/2017 11:36 am : link
In comment 13434124 Keith said:
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Oh there sure were people defending Mixon. There were a few people that claimed he has a right to defend himself. There were multiple people that blamed the girl. That thread was an embarressment for sure.


Not the thread, Keith. The assholes who said that he had every right to full force defend himself with an overhand right that shattered this girl's face.

I'd kill you if you did that to my wife, daughter, niece, sister. Dead.
RE: RE: I really don't think anybody defended him  
ajr2456 : 4/19/2017 11:42 am : link
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Oh there sure were people defending Mixon. There were a few people that claimed he has a right to defend himself. There were multiple people that blamed the girl. That thread was an embarressment for sure.


There were a lot of media people saying it was only one incident and he was remorseful as well.
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TheGhostofBlueGuy : 4/19/2017 11:45 am : link
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Oh there sure were people defending Mixon. There were a few people that claimed he has a right to defend himself. There were multiple people that blamed the girl. That thread was an embarressment for sure.



There were a lot of media people saying it was only one incident and he was remorseful as well.


Watch that video on Youtube and rell me if you see contrition or remorse. He seriously acted as if he had been done wrong.
RE: RE: RE: RE: I really don't think anybody defended him  
ajr2456 : 4/19/2017 11:46 am : link
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Oh there sure were people defending Mixon. There were a few people that claimed he has a right to defend himself. There were multiple people that blamed the girl. That thread was an embarressment for sure.



There were a lot of media people saying it was only one incident and he was remorseful as well.



Watch that video on Youtube and rell me if you see contrition or remorse. He seriously acted as if he had been done wrong.


I'm on your side.
I'll take the heat... and I still stand by my comments on the previous  
T-Bone : 4/19/2017 11:51 am : link
thread. She should've kept her hands to herself. At no point did I condone him hitting her the way he did... but for whatever reason she assaulting him first seems to always be overlooked and I don't think that's fair at all.

That said, the possibility that it wasn't the first time he hit a girl/woman (which I believe) changes my personal view of him from a guy who's a dick... who overreacted by punching her the way he did in the college video... to now a contemptible human being and I also would like to not see on the Giants.
Once him and his lawyer said that the girl hit him  
chuckydee9 : 4/19/2017 11:56 am : link
I knew he hadn't changed.. Anyone that looks at the video and assigns any blame to the girl is a Piece of shit.. the girl and her friend were by themselves in a restaurant.. he barged in and invaded their private space.. The girl merely pushed him back.. That is not equivalent to someone hitting you.. Even when she slapped him it was after he spit on her.. At no one should anyone in Mixon's shoe say that he punched her because she hit him..
RE: I'll take the heat... and I still stand by my comments on the previous  
chuckydee9 : 4/19/2017 11:58 am : link
In comment 13434172 T-Bone said:
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thread. She should've kept her hands to herself. At no point did I condone him hitting her the way he did... but for whatever reason she assaulting him first seems to always be overlooked and I don't think that's fair at all.

That said, the possibility that it wasn't the first time he hit a girl/woman (which I believe) changes my personal view of him from a guy who's a dick... who overreacted by punching her the way he did in the college video... to now a contemptible human being and I also would like to not see on the Giants.


When someone that aggressive barges into a group of people what is the proper response if not to push that person? Nothing she did was inappropriate..
RE: I'll take the heat... and I still stand by my comments on the previous  
Keith : 4/19/2017 12:00 pm : link
In comment 13434172 T-Bone said:
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thread. She should've kept her hands to herself. At no point did I condone him hitting her the way he did... but for whatever reason she assaulting him first seems to always be overlooked and I don't think that's fair at all.

That said, the possibility that it wasn't the first time he hit a girl/woman (which I believe) changes my personal view of him from a guy who's a dick... who overreacted by punching her the way he did in the college video... to now a contemptible human being and I also would like to not see on the Giants.


I don't want to get in some long debate about this and I respect your opinion T-Bone, but I want to respond. Should she have slapped him? No. The story is that he was hitting on her, she denied his advancements, her friend said something to leave her alone, Mixon then said something to the friend that she felt the need to defend. Her slap was a half slap, nothing that Mixon would even feel. He then used that as an opportunity to knock her out and break her face. There is no defending him in any way. He is a POS and nothing that has happened since has shown that he feels bad for that moment.
RE: RE: I'll take the heat... and I still stand by my comments on the previous  
T-Bone : 4/19/2017 12:01 pm : link
In comment 13434180 chuckydee9 said:
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thread. She should've kept her hands to herself. At no point did I condone him hitting her the way he did... but for whatever reason she assaulting him first seems to always be overlooked and I don't think that's fair at all.

That said, the possibility that it wasn't the first time he hit a girl/woman (which I believe) changes my personal view of him from a guy who's a dick... who overreacted by punching her the way he did in the college video... to now a contemptible human being and I also would like to not see on the Giants.



When someone that aggressive barges into a group of people what is the proper response if not to push that person? Nothing she did was inappropriate..


There are a few 'appropriate' responses.

- Leave the scene
- Ask for assistance with removing the person (preferably from another male)
- Call the authorities

If you don't think anything she did was 'inappropriate'... I'd say that's part of the problem. Keep your hands to yourself... no matter what sex you are.
RE: RE: I'll take the heat... and I still stand by my comments on the previous  
T-Bone : 4/19/2017 12:07 pm : link
In comment 13434186 Keith said:
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thread. She should've kept her hands to herself. At no point did I condone him hitting her the way he did... but for whatever reason she assaulting him first seems to always be overlooked and I don't think that's fair at all.

That said, the possibility that it wasn't the first time he hit a girl/woman (which I believe) changes my personal view of him from a guy who's a dick... who overreacted by punching her the way he did in the college video... to now a contemptible human being and I also would like to not see on the Giants.



I don't want to get in some long debate about this and I respect your opinion T-Bone, but I want to respond. Should she have slapped him? No. The story is that he was hitting on her, she denied his advancements, her friend said something to leave her alone, Mixon then said something to the friend that she felt the need to defend. Her slap was a half slap, nothing that Mixon would even feel. He then used that as an opportunity to knock her out and break her face. There is no defending him in any way. He is a POS and nothing that has happened since has shown that he feels bad for that moment.


I respect yours... and most others... opinions here as well so I thank you for that.

You guys keep saying she had a 'right to defend' her friend. First off, the friend was a male... it's kind of weak to think that this frail little girl felt the need to defend her male friend from another male friend.

Secondly, whether it was 'half-slap', a poke, a punch or a tackle doesn't matter to me. Keep your hands to yourself.

Thirdly, it's crazy to me that the very same people who are saying that people defending Mixon (which I'm not sure I'd say I, personally, was really doing... but if you want to see it that way I can understand it) are wrong for coming up with excuses as to why he had a right to hit her are coming up with excuses as to why she had a right to hit him. That's just crazy to me. So you guys teach your daughters that it's ok to hit a man if he calls your friend a gay slur? Really?
RE: RE: RE: I'll take the heat... and I still stand by my comments on the previous  
ajr2456 : 4/19/2017 12:07 pm : link
In comment 13434187 T-Bone said:
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thread. She should've kept her hands to herself. At no point did I condone him hitting her the way he did... but for whatever reason she assaulting him first seems to always be overlooked and I don't think that's fair at all.

That said, the possibility that it wasn't the first time he hit a girl/woman (which I believe) changes my personal view of him from a guy who's a dick... who overreacted by punching her the way he did in the college video... to now a contemptible human being and I also would like to not see on the Giants.



When someone that aggressive barges into a group of people what is the proper response if not to push that person? Nothing she did was inappropriate..



There are a few 'appropriate' responses.

- Leave the scene
- Ask for assistance with removing the person (preferably from another male)
- Call the authorities

If you don't think anything she did was 'inappropriate'... I'd say that's part of the problem. Keep your hands to yourself... no matter what sex you are.


Couldn't those same responses be what Mixon should have done?
RE: RE: RE: RE: I'll take the heat... and I still stand by my comments on the previous  
T-Bone : 4/19/2017 12:10 pm : link
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thread. She should've kept her hands to herself. At no point did I condone him hitting her the way he did... but for whatever reason she assaulting him first seems to always be overlooked and I don't think that's fair at all.

That said, the possibility that it wasn't the first time he hit a girl/woman (which I believe) changes my personal view of him from a guy who's a dick... who overreacted by punching her the way he did in the college video... to now a contemptible human being and I also would like to not see on the Giants.



When someone that aggressive barges into a group of people what is the proper response if not to push that person? Nothing she did was inappropriate..



There are a few 'appropriate' responses.

- Leave the scene
- Ask for assistance with removing the person (preferably from another male)
- Call the authorities

If you don't think anything she did was 'inappropriate'... I'd say that's part of the problem. Keep your hands to yourself... no matter what sex you are.



Couldn't those same responses be what Mixon should have done?


Well... yeah... but he wasn't the person to strike someone first was he? Sure we all would've preferred he done any of what I said above... but he reacted the same way she did... he just happened to be much stronger, and therefore the hit was much harder, than hers was.
T-Bone....  
Keith : 4/19/2017 12:11 pm : link
1. I didn't defend her or absolve her from anything.
2. Apparently her friend was gay and Mixon made a gay slur. Again, not a reason to put your hands on someone.
3. If a 10 year old kid punches you, are you going to knock him out? Or do you understand that a 10 year old cannot hurt you and you shouldn't hit kids?
Here we go again.  
732NYG : 4/19/2017 12:11 pm : link
Lessons not learned apparently.
she could have also chose  
UConn4523 : 4/19/2017 12:16 pm : link
to hit him over the head with a chair, or stab him, or shoot him, but she slapped him.

I don't condone the "slap" but it was just a slap. Doesn't mean i'm raising my daughter to do that, which is a giant leap of an argument to make. Not sure why you feel the need to inject that comment. Thinking a girl that slapped a guy shouldn't have her face broken in retaliation doesn't mean me/we are raising our kids to hit each other.
Jerkoffs,  
Glover : 4/19/2017 12:16 pm : link
the woman putting her hands on him, forget it. He follows the two into a restaurant, seeing the woman with the not so tough guy, he steps to her with who knows what kind of sleazy talk, she is not interested, he calls the other guy a F, she finally is so sick of this scumbag she wants t push him out, thinking, maybe he will get the hint now, he doesnt, instead he breaks her fucking face!!! BREAKS HER FACE!!! A woman incapable of hurting this big athlete, throws girlie punches to his chest, and some want to call it assault? If its assault, he should have gotten the law, instead he breaks her face. Come on. It's not OK to be an animal. Sorry.
RE: T-Bone....  
T-Bone : 4/19/2017 12:17 pm : link
In comment 13434209 Keith said:
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1. I didn't defend her or absolve her from anything.
2. Apparently her friend was gay and Mixon made a gay slur. Again, not a reason to put your hands on someone.
3. If a 10 year old kid punches you, are you going to knock him out? Or do you understand that a 10 year old cannot hurt you and you shouldn't hit kids?


Keith,

1 - perhaps... but you do seem to be excusing her by saying, "...Mixon then said something to the friend that she felt the need to defend. Her slap was a half slap, nothing that Mixon would even feel." If that wasn't your intent, I apologize for misreading what you wrote.

2 - Agree 100% with this one and it's all I've been trying to say.

3 - Of course not. But is the college girl 10 years old? I can get into a bunch of 'what ifs' but don't have the time nor really care to.

Some people  
Glover : 4/19/2017 12:21 pm : link
live in a world where it's ok to hit women. That world is not so good.
RE: she could have also chose  
T-Bone : 4/19/2017 12:21 pm : link
In comment 13434222 UConn4523 said:
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to hit him over the head with a chair, or stab him, or shoot him, but she slapped him.

I don't condone the "slap" but it was just a slap. Doesn't mean i'm raising my daughter to do that, which is a giant leap of an argument to make. Not sure why you feel the need to inject that comment. Thinking a girl that slapped a guy shouldn't have her face broken in retaliation doesn't mean me/we are raising our kids to hit each other.


This is what I mean, Keith, when I say some of you are really reaching in trying to excuse or belittle what she did. If Mixon didn't hit her back... and pressed charges against her... do you think the judge would've said 'Well... it was just a slap... so no penalty!'. I don't think so and if he/she did I would've had a major problem with that.

UConn - I felt the need to interject it because of statements like the one you just made. She doesn't have a right to 'just slap' him. Please explain to me why you think she did because you seem to keep excusing her assault on him for some reason.

FWIW  
Sgrcts : 4/19/2017 12:22 pm : link
That same link the father is saying it never happened and Mixon and the girl are still friends.
she made the mistake of trying to defend  
UConn4523 : 4/19/2017 12:23 pm : link
herself and her friend after being approached, followed, and cornered. She didn't take the best approach but the one she did take certainly wasn't terribly threatening. The retaliation was absurd. That's really all anyone is trying to say, not sure how it can be twisted into something it isn't.
RE: Jerkoffs,  
T-Bone : 4/19/2017 12:25 pm : link
In comment 13434223 Glover said:
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the woman putting her hands on him, forget it. He follows the two into a restaurant, seeing the woman with the not so tough guy, he steps to her with who knows what kind of sleazy talk, she is not interested, he calls the other guy a F, she finally is so sick of this scumbag she wants t push him out, thinking, maybe he will get the hint now, he doesnt, instead he breaks her fucking face!!! BREAKS HER FACE!!! A woman incapable of hurting this big athlete, throws girlie punches to his chest, and some want to call it assault? If its assault, he should have gotten the law, instead he breaks her face. Come on. It's not OK to be an animal. Sorry.


Dictionary.com has the following definition for 'Assault' (the law definition):

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an unlawful physical attack upon another; an attempt or offer to do violence to another, with or without battery, as by holding a stone or club in a threatening manner.


That's what she did. Sorry if that definition doesn't fit your narrative.

RE: Some people  
T-Bone : 4/19/2017 12:26 pm : link
In comment 13434227 Glover said:
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live in a world where it's ok to hit women. That world is not so good.


Agree 100% and I hate people of that world.

But I live in a world where it's not ok for anyone to hit anyone else. But maybe I just live in that world alone... at least when it comes to on this site.
RE: FWIW  
T-Bone : 4/19/2017 12:26 pm : link
In comment 13434233 Sgrcts said:
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That same link the father is saying it never happened and Mixon and the girl are still friends.


I didn't see that in the link. Where does it say that?
RE: RE: RE: I'll take the heat... and I still stand by my comments on the previous  
chuckydee9 : 4/19/2017 12:26 pm : link
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thread. She should've kept her hands to herself. At no point did I condone him hitting her the way he did... but for whatever reason she assaulting him first seems to always be overlooked and I don't think that's fair at all.

That said, the possibility that it wasn't the first time he hit a girl/woman (which I believe) changes my personal view of him from a guy who's a dick... who overreacted by punching her the way he did in the college video... to now a contemptible human being and I also would like to not see on the Giants.



When someone that aggressive barges into a group of people what is the proper response if not to push that person? Nothing she did was inappropriate..



There are a few 'appropriate' responses.

- Leave the scene
- Ask for assistance with removing the person (preferably from another male)
- Call the authorities

If you don't think anything she did was 'inappropriate'... I'd say that's part of the problem. Keep your hands to yourself... no matter what sex you are.


All good things that are logical to say and do.. but put into a situation like hers the only response is to shove him away.. She was at the restaurant he has no right to approach her as he did.. If she walks away he will chase after her just like he already did.. The other guy was involved and how is it any different letting him do something vs the girl doing something.. Mixon is a thug and something bad would've happened either way.. Calling authorities would seem logical but in the heat of the moment 90% won't pick up the phone.. The first thing that needs to be done is to make him understand he can't be in the space he was in.. A little shove does the job..

To me its not even a girl thing.. He was looking for a fight and has no respect for others.. only a thug walks in so aggressively onto other people who are minding their own business..
RE: she made the mistake of trying to defend  
T-Bone : 4/19/2017 12:32 pm : link
In comment 13434235 UConn4523 said:
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herself and her friend after being approached, followed, and cornered. She didn't take the best approach but the one she did take certainly wasn't terribly threatening. The retaliation was absurd. That's really all anyone is trying to say, not sure how it can be twisted into something it isn't.


Well maybe it wasn't 'threatening' to you UConn but maybe it was to Mixon and he didn't take the best approach either.

And I still disagree with you saying he 'cornered' them. But whatever...

And sorry... that's not 'all anyone is trying to say'. Nothing has been twisted on my part. All I've been consistently saying is that the girl should've kept her hands to herself first and that seems to bother a bunch of folks for whatever reason. He just slapped her back... would that have been ok? Or what if he just pushed her really hard into the tables? Would that have been ok? I'm just trying to understand from you guys' viewpoints what reaction from Mixon would've been suitable because it seems that most of you are saying that her assault was ok because it was 'just a slap' but his wasn't because it was a punch. So, using that logic... if Mixon had slapped her back, he would be ok in your eyes? Not in mine. But then... it's not ok in my mind that she slapped him first either.
Also this false premise about self defense  
chuckydee9 : 4/19/2017 12:34 pm : link
you are not allowed to defend yourself unless you feel threatened.. She felt threatened when he came over to her the way he did.. He never felt threatened.. Don't use this bullshit eye for eye excuse to hit her when he was never threatened..
RE: RE: she could have also chose  
UConn4523 : 4/19/2017 12:37 pm : link
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to hit him over the head with a chair, or stab him, or shoot him, but she slapped him.

I don't condone the "slap" but it was just a slap. Doesn't mean i'm raising my daughter to do that, which is a giant leap of an argument to make. Not sure why you feel the need to inject that comment. Thinking a girl that slapped a guy shouldn't have her face broken in retaliation doesn't mean me/we are raising our kids to hit each other.



This is what I mean, Keith, when I say some of you are really reaching in trying to excuse or belittle what she did. If Mixon didn't hit her back... and pressed charges against her... do you think the judge would've said 'Well... it was just a slap... so no penalty!'. I don't think so and if he/she did I would've had a major problem with that.

UConn - I felt the need to interject it because of statements like the one you just made. She doesn't have a right to 'just slap' him. Please explain to me why you think she did because you seem to keep excusing her assault on him for some reason.


I never once said she had a right to do it, why do you keep saying it?
every one of your posts  
UConn4523 : 4/19/2017 12:40 pm : link
comes off like none of this would have ever happened if she didn't slap him. Maybe that's true, maybe it isn't.

She didn't handle it correctly but he made an even worse mistake. I think I've said that about 20 times now between last week and this week.
RE: RE: she could have also chose  
chuckydee9 : 4/19/2017 12:40 pm : link
In comment 13434229 T-Bone said:
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to hit him over the head with a chair, or stab him, or shoot him, but she slapped him.

I don't condone the "slap" but it was just a slap. Doesn't mean i'm raising my daughter to do that, which is a giant leap of an argument to make. Not sure why you feel the need to inject that comment. Thinking a girl that slapped a guy shouldn't have her face broken in retaliation doesn't mean me/we are raising our kids to hit each other.



This is what I mean, Keith, when I say some of you are really reaching in trying to excuse or belittle what she did. If Mixon didn't hit her back... and pressed charges against her... do you think the judge would've said 'Well... it was just a slap... so no penalty!'. I don't think so and if he/she did I would've had a major problem with that.

UConn - I felt the need to interject it because of statements like the one you just made. She doesn't have a right to 'just slap' him. Please explain to me why you think she did because you seem to keep excusing her assault on him for some reason.


Judge would say no penalty - self Defense because he obviously threatened her.. Hitting someone is legal for self-defense purposes.. He was never threatened by her.. There is no law that says if someone hits you, you are allowed to hit back..
RE: Also this false premise about self defense  
T-Bone : 4/19/2017 12:41 pm : link
In comment 13434255 chuckydee9 said:
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you are not allowed to defend yourself unless you feel threatened.. She felt threatened when he came over to her the way he did.. He never felt threatened.. Don't use this bullshit eye for eye excuse to hit her when he was never threatened..


She sure didn't seem 'threatened' to me when she attacked him. Most people when threatened try to avoid the confrontation... she started it. Basically right now you're making shit up. You don't know how she (or him for that matter) felt.
RE: RE: RE: she could have also chose  
T-Bone : 4/19/2017 12:43 pm : link
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to hit him over the head with a chair, or stab him, or shoot him, but she slapped him.

I don't condone the "slap" but it was just a slap. Doesn't mean i'm raising my daughter to do that, which is a giant leap of an argument to make. Not sure why you feel the need to inject that comment. Thinking a girl that slapped a guy shouldn't have her face broken in retaliation doesn't mean me/we are raising our kids to hit each other.



This is what I mean, Keith, when I say some of you are really reaching in trying to excuse or belittle what she did. If Mixon didn't hit her back... and pressed charges against her... do you think the judge would've said 'Well... it was just a slap... so no penalty!'. I don't think so and if he/she did I would've had a major problem with that.

UConn - I felt the need to interject it because of statements like the one you just made. She doesn't have a right to 'just slap' him. Please explain to me why you think she did because you seem to keep excusing her assault on him for some reason.




I never once said she had a right to do it, why do you keep saying it?


Because of when you said she was defending her friend. That seemed to be an implication that you thought she had a right to assault him because of what he said to her friend. I disagree with that. What's the saying... Sticks and stones?
RE: every one of your posts  
T-Bone : 4/19/2017 12:46 pm : link
In comment 13434259 UConn4523 said:
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comes off like none of this would have ever happened if she didn't slap him. Maybe that's true, maybe it isn't.

She didn't handle it correctly but he made an even worse mistake. I think I've said that about 20 times now between last week and this week.


Yeah well... excuse me for thinking that if she didn't hit him first he wouldn't have hit her. Maybe he would've hit her anyway for no reason... but, like you said, maybe not. If he has a history of hitting on women... who knows? I see nothing wrong with the statement that she should've have hit him first but for some reason some of you do. Why? I have no idea.

I have absolutely no disagreement with your last paragraph.
i was explaining what happened  
UConn4523 : 4/19/2017 12:46 pm : link
and I would think that me saying "what she did isn't right" over and over and over again would suffice.
Looks like this story is bullshit  
jlukes : 4/19/2017 12:47 pm : link
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T-Bone : 4/19/2017 12:47 pm : link
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to hit him over the head with a chair, or stab him, or shoot him, but she slapped him.

I don't condone the "slap" but it was just a slap. Doesn't mean i'm raising my daughter to do that, which is a giant leap of an argument to make. Not sure why you feel the need to inject that comment. Thinking a girl that slapped a guy shouldn't have her face broken in retaliation doesn't mean me/we are raising our kids to hit each other.



This is what I mean, Keith, when I say some of you are really reaching in trying to excuse or belittle what she did. If Mixon didn't hit her back... and pressed charges against her... do you think the judge would've said 'Well... it was just a slap... so no penalty!'. I don't think so and if he/she did I would've had a major problem with that.

UConn - I felt the need to interject it because of statements like the one you just made. She doesn't have a right to 'just slap' him. Please explain to me why you think she did because you seem to keep excusing her assault on him for some reason.




Judge would say no penalty - self Defense because he obviously threatened her.. Hitting someone is legal for self-defense purposes.. He was never threatened by her.. There is no law that says if someone hits you, you are allowed to hit back..


I'm sorry... when did he threaten her?

You're still making shit up.
T-Bone  
Milton : 4/19/2017 12:49 pm : link
Here's a "what if" for you...

You and a Jewish friend are on your way to have a bite to eat when you come across the gay version of Mike Tyson along the way. He tells you you you look mighty fine and wouldn't you like to spend some time with him back at his place. You politely decline and continue on your way to the restaurant with your friend.

But Gay Mike follows you and your friend into the restaurant and becomes more aggressive with his invitations. Your friend asks him to leave you alone and he calls your friend a dirty kike. You know damn well that Gay Mike can kick the living shit out of you, but at this point you get up from your seat and give him a push. Is that you being inappropriate or is that you showing some courage? Standing up for a friend who was standing up for you. And then Gay Mike spits in your face. What does T-Bone do then?

Sure, discretion is the better part of valor, but I give the young woman credit for her courage.
RE: i was explaining what happened  
T-Bone : 4/19/2017 12:50 pm : link
In comment 13434268 UConn4523 said:
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and I would think that me saying "what she did isn't right" over and over and over again would suffice.


Yeah me too... and yet it appears that you have a problem with me saying it though.
RE: T-Bone  
T-Bone : 4/19/2017 12:54 pm : link
In comment 13434275 Milton said:
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Here's a "what if" for you...

You and a Jewish friend are on your way to have a bite to eat when you come across the gay version of Mike Tyson along the way. He tells you you you look mighty fine and wouldn't you like to spend some time with him back at his place. You politely decline and continue on your way to the restaurant with your friend.

But Gay Mike follows you and your friend into the restaurant and becomes more aggressive with his invitations. Your friend asks him to leave you alone and he calls your friend a dirty kike. You know damn well that Gay Mike can kick the living shit out of you, but at this point you get up from your seat and give him a push. Is that you being inappropriate or is that you showing some courage? Standing up for a friend who was standing up for you. And then Gay Mike spits in your face. What does T-Bone do then?

Sure, discretion is the better part of valor, but I give the young woman credit for her courage.


Milton - Like I said, I'm not really interested in getting into a bunch of 'what ifs' because it can go on forever with 'what ifs' being given for both sides. And honestly, your 'what if' doesn't really work because we're not talking about two guys fighting (even if one is gay) but a woman hitting a man and vice versa.



RE: RE: i was explaining what happened  
UConn4523 : 4/19/2017 12:57 pm : link
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and I would think that me saying "what she did isn't right" over and over and over again would suffice.



Yeah me too... and yet it appears that you have a problem with me saying it though.


All good man, we don't really see eye to eye on this so I'll leave it at that.
RE: RE: T-Bone  
Milton : 4/19/2017 1:01 pm : link
In comment 13434282 T-Bone said:
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And honestly, your 'what if' doesn't really work because we're not talking about two guys fighting (even if one is gay) but a woman hitting a man and vice versa.

We're talking about how someone deals with repeated sexual advances from another person who is bigger and stronger than them and can collapse their face with one punch. The example I gave was the only way I could think of to put you in her shoes.

The fact that one is a woman and the other a man isn't as important as the fact that one is immensely stronger than the other person.
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T-Bone : 4/19/2017 1:07 pm : link
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and I would think that me saying "what she did isn't right" over and over and over again would suffice.



Yeah me too... and yet it appears that you have a problem with me saying it though.



All good man, we don't really see eye to eye on this so I'll leave it at that.


The funny thing is UConn, I think we see eye to eye on this more than you think. I agree with you 100% that Mixon appears to be an asshole of the highest order (particularly if he's a repeat offender)... I also agree with you 100% that men shouldn't hit women (as I've repeatedly said on this site since I started coming here almost 20 years ago)... where you seem to have a problem with me is me simply stating that she should've kept her hands to herself and I, for the life of me, can't figure out why that notion seems to bother you and others. That was never said to be meant as an excuse for Mixon hitting that young lady like that but yet that's how some of you are taking it for some reason.

By the way...  
Milton : 4/19/2017 1:09 pm : link
I haven't read a lot about the details of the incident on my own, I'm going mostly by what's been said on this thread about it. From my perspective, the video says enough about him that I don't need more details. But if the details are as described here, I think the young woman showed courage. It may be stupid courage, but it was courage just the same.
RE: RE: RE: T-Bone  
T-Bone : 4/19/2017 1:10 pm : link
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And honestly, your 'what if' doesn't really work because we're not talking about two guys fighting (even if one is gay) but a woman hitting a man and vice versa.


We're talking about how someone deals with repeated sexual advances from another person who is bigger and stronger than them and can collapse their face with one punch. The example I gave was the only way I could think of to put you in her shoes.

The fact that one is a woman and the other a man isn't as important as the fact that one is immensely stronger than the other person.


That last sentence is your opinion first off. I don't care how big or powerful the woman is, you don't hit a woman.

But ok... let's roll with your 'what if'... so if the girl who got hit was a bodybuilder who could've snapped Mixon in half... then it would've been ok for Mixon to punch her the way he did? Sorry... not in my book.
RE: By the way...  
T-Bone : 4/19/2017 1:12 pm : link
In comment 13434301 Milton said:
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I haven't read a lot about the details of the incident on my own, I'm going mostly by what's been said on this thread about it. From my perspective, the video says enough about him that I don't need more details. But if the details are as described here, I think the young woman showed courage. It may be stupid courage, but it was courage just the same.


Oh... she's a 'ryda' in my book! She's the kind of woman that I'd want by my side because I know she'll throw down with anyone if she has to. Her courage isn't in question... her judgement is. Courage is what earned her a broken jaw unfortunately... which leads me back to my first point... she keeps her hands to herself, she doesn't suffer a broken jaw (one would think). Maybe he still hits her for whatever reason... but I'd tend to think the chances of that go down dramatically if she doesn't attack him first.
In the video  
River : 4/19/2017 1:14 pm : link
And the court transcripts he spit on her. This escalated the situation. In this whole matter he is the aggressor, at least until he runs out of there like a coward. He went in there looking for a conflict to inflict pain and hurt.

He is very lucky she doesn't have a vengeful family.
RE: RE: RE: RE: T-Bone  
Milton : 4/19/2017 1:26 pm : link
In comment 13434302 T-Bone said:
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The fact that one is a woman and the other a man isn't as important as the fact that one is immensely stronger than the other person.

That last sentence is your opinion first off. I don't care how big or powerful the woman is, you don't hit a woman.

But ok... let's roll with your 'what if'... so if the girl who got hit was a bodybuilder who could've snapped Mixon in half... then it would've been ok for Mixon to punch her the way he did? Sorry... not in my book.
My point wasn't about him, it was about your issue with her actions. Forget about him.
RE: RE: Also this false premise about self defense  
chuckydee9 : 4/19/2017 1:36 pm : link
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you are not allowed to defend yourself unless you feel threatened.. She felt threatened when he came over to her the way he did.. He never felt threatened.. Don't use this bullshit eye for eye excuse to hit her when he was never threatened..



She sure didn't seem 'threatened' to me when she attacked him. Most people when threatened try to avoid the confrontation... she started it. Basically right now you're making shit up. You don't know how she (or him for that matter) felt.


I guess I put myself in both of their situation and only in one of those situations would I have felt threatened.. When I am at a table in a restaurant and another person aggressively walks over and starts talking shit to my friend.. on the other hand if I am Mixon and at that point a girl tried to push me back, I am not threatened.. Thats how I feel a normal human being would feel hence my response..
RE: In the video  
T-Bone : 4/19/2017 1:38 pm : link
In comment 13434307 River said:
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And the court transcripts he spit on her. This escalated the situation. In this whole matter he is the aggressor, at least until he runs out of there like a coward. He went in there looking for a conflict to inflict pain and hurt.

He is very lucky she doesn't have a vengeful family.


Funny... while Googling to find out if he admitted to spitting on her I found the below website. Being honest, I didn't think he spat on her because I never saw it in the video... but after finding the linked website below and reading the article first and reading in it they state that he spat on her so I viewed the video again and it appears he does spit on her after the first push but before the slap (this after he seemingly lunges at her to scare her off).

What I also didn't notice in the video was this:

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Molitor (at 0:24) motions Mixon to her table as he enters the deli and he walks over.


... and if you look at the video it's true... she does motion him over to her table. That kind of kills the whole 'he cornered them' and 'he went in there looking for a fight' narrative to me. He actually also attempts to walk away from the table just before the girl started pushing him.

So maybe it would've been in her best interest to not only invite him over to their table (since, supposedly, she didn't want anything to do with him) but also to let him walk away when he tried to?

Again... still not defending him punching her in the face. But the narrative that he was just 'looking for a fight' and therefore 'stalked' and 'cornered' this young lady appears to be false.
Mixon article - ( New Window )
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: T-Bone  
T-Bone : 4/19/2017 1:40 pm : link
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The fact that one is a woman and the other a man isn't as important as the fact that one is immensely stronger than the other person.

That last sentence is your opinion first off. I don't care how big or powerful the woman is, you don't hit a woman.

But ok... let's roll with your 'what if'... so if the girl who got hit was a bodybuilder who could've snapped Mixon in half... then it would've been ok for Mixon to punch her the way he did? Sorry... not in my book.

My point wasn't about him, it was about your issue with her actions. Forget about him.


I never said I had an issue with her actions. I actually find them to be admirable and, like I said, she's the kind of woman I wouldn't mind having by my side in a street fight.

That doesn't mean that I think it was ok for her to put her hands on him first though.
RE: RE: RE: Also this false premise about self defense  
T-Bone : 4/19/2017 1:42 pm : link
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you are not allowed to defend yourself unless you feel threatened.. She felt threatened when he came over to her the way he did.. He never felt threatened.. Don't use this bullshit eye for eye excuse to hit her when he was never threatened..



She sure didn't seem 'threatened' to me when she attacked him. Most people when threatened try to avoid the confrontation... she started it. Basically right now you're making shit up. You don't know how she (or him for that matter) felt.



I guess I put myself in both of their situation and only in one of those situations would I have felt threatened.. When I am at a table in a restaurant and another person aggressively walks over and starts talking shit to my friend.. on the other hand if I am Mixon and at that point a girl tried to push me back, I am not threatened.. Thats how I feel a normal human being would feel hence my response..


And see the link and post I just put up.

Still think he 'aggresively walks over and starts talking shit' after she invited him over to the table?

Like I said before, you're making shit up.
That wasn't the only incident in high school...  
Mixon also punched an opposing teams player in the face and got ejected.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: T-Bone  
Milton : 4/19/2017 1:46 pm : link
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I never said I had an issue with her actions. I actually find them to be admirable and, like I said, she's the kind of woman I wouldn't mind having by my side in a street fight.

That doesn't mean that I think it was ok for her to put her hands on him first though.
This is where I get confused, because that seems like a contradiction. But I'm sure you're quite tired of all this, so let's just chalk it up to semantics and leave it at that.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: T-Bone  
T-Bone : 4/19/2017 1:53 pm : link
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I never said I had an issue with her actions. I actually find them to be admirable and, like I said, she's the kind of woman I wouldn't mind having by my side in a street fight.

That doesn't mean that I think it was ok for her to put her hands on him first though.

This is where I get confused, because that seems like a contradiction. But I'm sure you're quite tired of all this, so let's just chalk it up to semantics and leave it at that.


Nah... it's cool. It's been a bit slower than usual today so I have the time to waste.


I can see how that may seem contradictory but let me try to explain. When I say she's the kind of woman I'd want on my side in a street fight I mean that... in agreeing with what you said about her courage... I like that she's not afraid of tussling with someone bigger than her. She's no punk obviously.

At the same time, though, that doesn't mean that she has the right to hit anyone she pleases (unless it's in self defense). Her not being a punk has nothing to do with her initiating the hitting in the first place. If she chooses to hit someone first, then she also has chosen to face whatever consequences her hitting may bring. This time it was a broken jaw.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: T-Bone  
therealmf : 4/19/2017 2:03 pm : link
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I never said I had an issue with her actions. I actually find them to be admirable and, like I said, she's the kind of woman I wouldn't mind having by my side in a street fight.

That doesn't mean that I think it was ok for her to put her hands on him first though.

This is where I get confused, because that seems like a contradiction. But I'm sure you're quite tired of all this, so let's just chalk it up to semantics and leave it at that.



Nah... it's cool. It's been a bit slower than usual today so I have the time to waste.


I can see how that may seem contradictory but let me try to explain. When I say she's the kind of woman I'd want on my side in a street fight I mean that... in agreeing with what you said about her courage... I like that she's not afraid of tussling with someone bigger than her. She's no punk obviously.

At the same time, though, that doesn't mean that she has the right to hit anyone she pleases (unless it's in self defense). Her not being a punk has nothing to do with her initiating the hitting in the first place. If she chooses to hit someone first, then she also has chosen to face whatever consequences her hitting may bring. This time it was a broken jaw.


If Mixon pulled out a gun and killed her, would that also be a consequence she must face?

Someone needs to sit Mixon down and explain appropriate and proportional response.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Also this false premise about self defense  
chuckydee9 : 4/19/2017 2:06 pm : link
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you are not allowed to defend yourself unless you feel threatened.. She felt threatened when he came over to her the way he did.. He never felt threatened.. Don't use this bullshit eye for eye excuse to hit her when he was never threatened..



She sure didn't seem 'threatened' to me when she attacked him. Most people when threatened try to avoid the confrontation... she started it. Basically right now you're making shit up. You don't know how she (or him for that matter) felt.



I guess I put myself in both of their situation and only in one of those situations would I have felt threatened.. When I am at a table in a restaurant and another person aggressively walks over and starts talking shit to my friend.. on the other hand if I am Mixon and at that point a girl tried to push me back, I am not threatened.. Thats how I feel a normal human being would feel hence my response..



And see the link and post I just put up.

Still think he 'aggresively walks over and starts talking shit' after she invited him over to the table?

Like I said before, you're making shit up.


I must have not seen the entire video like the one in your link.. You are right.. she isn't blameless either but that doesn't mean he is right.. There was no need for him to do what he did.. Luckily I doubt he is on Giants board..
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: T-Bone  
T-Bone : 4/19/2017 2:07 pm : link
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I never said I had an issue with her actions. I actually find them to be admirable and, like I said, she's the kind of woman I wouldn't mind having by my side in a street fight.

That doesn't mean that I think it was ok for her to put her hands on him first though.

This is where I get confused, because that seems like a contradiction. But I'm sure you're quite tired of all this, so let's just chalk it up to semantics and leave it at that.



Nah... it's cool. It's been a bit slower than usual today so I have the time to waste.


I can see how that may seem contradictory but let me try to explain. When I say she's the kind of woman I'd want on my side in a street fight I mean that... in agreeing with what you said about her courage... I like that she's not afraid of tussling with someone bigger than her. She's no punk obviously.

At the same time, though, that doesn't mean that she has the right to hit anyone she pleases (unless it's in self defense). Her not being a punk has nothing to do with her initiating the hitting in the first place. If she chooses to hit someone first, then she also has chosen to face whatever consequences her hitting may bring. This time it was a broken jaw.



If Mixon pulled out a gun and killed her, would that also be a consequence she must face?

Someone needs to sit Mixon down and explain appropriate and proportional response.


Here we go with the 'ifs' again.

But to answer your question... yes.

I agree with your second sentence.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Also this false premise about self defense  
T-Bone : 4/19/2017 2:10 pm : link
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you are not allowed to defend yourself unless you feel threatened.. She felt threatened when he came over to her the way he did.. He never felt threatened.. Don't use this bullshit eye for eye excuse to hit her when he was never threatened..



She sure didn't seem 'threatened' to me when she attacked him. Most people when threatened try to avoid the confrontation... she started it. Basically right now you're making shit up. You don't know how she (or him for that matter) felt.



I guess I put myself in both of their situation and only in one of those situations would I have felt threatened.. When I am at a table in a restaurant and another person aggressively walks over and starts talking shit to my friend.. on the other hand if I am Mixon and at that point a girl tried to push me back, I am not threatened.. Thats how I feel a normal human being would feel hence my response..



And see the link and post I just put up.

Still think he 'aggresively walks over and starts talking shit' after she invited him over to the table?

Like I said before, you're making shit up.



I must have not seen the entire video like the one in your link.. You are right.. she isn't blameless either but that doesn't mean he is right.. There was no need for him to do what he did.. Luckily I doubt he is on Giants board..


And I never said that he was right. I never even said that she was 'more wrong' than him. All I said, was that she should've kept her hands to herself and that's brought all types of posters calling my own character into question when very few of the posters who I've been going back and forth about know me.

But whatever... good thing I could care less what but a few people on this site think of me.
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therealmf : 4/19/2017 2:15 pm : link
In comment 13434377 T-Bone said:
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At the same time, though, that doesn't mean that she has the right to hit anyone she pleases (unless it's in self defense). Her not being a punk has nothing to do with her initiating the hitting in the first place. If she chooses to hit someone first, then she also has chosen to face whatever consequences her hitting may bring. This time it was a broken jaw.



If Mixon pulled out a gun and killed her, would that also be a consequence she must face?

Someone needs to sit Mixon down and explain appropriate and proportional response.



Here we go with the 'ifs' again.

But to answer your question... yes.

I agree with your second sentence.


It was your 'if'.
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If she chooses to hit someone first, then she also has chosen to face whatever consequences her hitting may bring.


I'm just testing the limit to 'whatever consequences'. Are there any?
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T-Bone : 4/19/2017 2:19 pm : link
In comment 13434402 therealmf said:
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In comment 13434365 therealmf said:



At the same time, though, that doesn't mean that she has the right to hit anyone she pleases (unless it's in self defense). Her not being a punk has nothing to do with her initiating the hitting in the first place. If she chooses to hit someone first, then she also has chosen to face whatever consequences her hitting may bring. This time it was a broken jaw.



If Mixon pulled out a gun and killed her, would that also be a consequence she must face?

Someone needs to sit Mixon down and explain appropriate and proportional response.



Here we go with the 'ifs' again.

But to answer your question... yes.

I agree with your second sentence.



It was your 'if'.

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If she chooses to hit someone first, then she also has chosen to face whatever consequences her hitting may bring.



I'm just testing the limit to 'whatever consequences'. Are there any?


I'm not sure of the point of your post?
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chuckydee9 : 4/19/2017 2:24 pm : link
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you are not allowed to defend yourself unless you feel threatened.. She felt threatened when he came over to her the way he did.. He never felt threatened.. Don't use this bullshit eye for eye excuse to hit her when he was never threatened..



She sure didn't seem 'threatened' to me when she attacked him. Most people when threatened try to avoid the confrontation... she started it. Basically right now you're making shit up. You don't know how she (or him for that matter) felt.



I guess I put myself in both of their situation and only in one of those situations would I have felt threatened.. When I am at a table in a restaurant and another person aggressively walks over and starts talking shit to my friend.. on the other hand if I am Mixon and at that point a girl tried to push me back, I am not threatened.. Thats how I feel a normal human being would feel hence my response..



And see the link and post I just put up.

Still think he 'aggresively walks over and starts talking shit' after she invited him over to the table?

Like I said before, you're making shit up.



I must have not seen the entire video like the one in your link.. You are right.. she isn't blameless either but that doesn't mean he is right.. There was no need for him to do what he did.. Luckily I doubt he is on Giants board..



And I never said that he was right. I never even said that she was 'more wrong' than him. All I said, was that she should've kept her hands to herself and that's brought all types of posters calling my own character into question when very few of the posters who I've been going back and forth about know me.

But whatever... good thing I could care less what but a few people on this site think of me.


I admit when I am wrong and I was wrong.. you were right..

but he is just as blame worthy now as he was before.. its just that she is not blameless..
this thread  
Moondawg : 4/19/2017 2:27 pm : link
RE: RE: FWIW  
Sgrcts : 4/19/2017 2:29 pm : link
In comment 13434239 T-Bone said:
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That same link the father is saying it never happened and Mixon and the girl are still friends.



I didn't see that in the link. Where does it say that?



They moved it lower, but here is where it says it was recanted.

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I have recently learned that a comment I made about Joe Mixon on social media a few years ago is now receiving a lot of attention. I want to explain that comment and clarify that I do not believe Joe ever did anything to hurt my daughter, Hernandez wrote.

My daughter went to Freedom High School with Joe, and they have been friends for much of their lives. Once, when they were in school together, my daughter had a minor disagreement with some of her classmates that got blown out of proportion. Like any father would, I reacted emotionally. Unfortunately, I did so before I had all the facts. Now, having talked to my daughter and investigated the whole story, I realize that I was mistaken about Joes involvement. I definitely overreacted, and I regret that my words might have given some people the wrong impression about Joe. I know that Joe did not hurt my daughter, did not intend to, and would not do so.

Joe and my daughter are still good friends. Joe is a great kid with a bright future in front of him, and he is welcome in my home anytime.

My family and I value our privacy. I hope that my statement puts this matter to rest. We will not respond to further media inquiries about this.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/04/19/high-school-allegation-against-joe-mixon-was-recanted/ - ( New Window )
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therealmf : 4/19/2017 2:30 pm : link
In comment 13434410 T-Bone said:
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At the same time, though, that doesn't mean that she has the right to hit anyone she pleases (unless it's in self defense). Her not being a punk has nothing to do with her initiating the hitting in the first place. If she chooses to hit someone first, then she also has chosen to face whatever consequences her hitting may bring. This time it was a broken jaw.



If Mixon pulled out a gun and killed her, would that also be a consequence she must face?

Someone needs to sit Mixon down and explain appropriate and proportional response.



Here we go with the 'ifs' again.

But to answer your question... yes.

I agree with your second sentence.



It was your 'if'.

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If she chooses to hit someone first, then she also has chosen to face whatever consequences her hitting may bring.



I'm just testing the limit to 'whatever consequences'. Are there any?



I'm not sure of the point of your post?


Stating that she must face the consequences indicates that she has no cause to be surprised for what transpired, that somehow the reaction from Mixon was justified by her action. While this in a small part may be true, it in no way, in my opinion, justifies how he responded.

So I'm asking you what response from Mixon would have been appropriate and justified in your opinion. Your statement indicated there was none.
chuckydee9  
T-Bone : 4/19/2017 2:32 pm : link
Cool. Don't disagree with your last sentence either.

Moon - I don't get it. Although I liked Seinfeld, I wouldn't say I loved it and know what's going on in that pic. Could you elaborate please?
RE: chuckydee9  
Moondawg : 4/19/2017 2:34 pm : link
In comment 13434431 T-Bone said:
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Cool. Don't disagree with your last sentence either.

Moon - I don't get it. Although I liked Seinfeld, I wouldn't say I loved it and know what's going on in that pic. Could you elaborate please?


Hey Boneman, it's from an episode where they try to figure out which New York Met spit on Kramer, as if they are dissecting the Zapruder film of JFK's assassination. Link to video below.
Link - ( New Window )
RE: RE: RE: FWIW  
T-Bone : 4/19/2017 2:46 pm : link
In comment 13434426 Sgrcts said:
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That same link the father is saying it never happened and Mixon and the girl are still friends.



I didn't see that in the link. Where does it say that?




They moved it lower, but here is where it says it was recanted.



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I have recently learned that a comment I made about Joe Mixon on social media a few years ago is now receiving a lot of attention. I want to explain that comment and clarify that I do not believe Joe ever did anything to hurt my daughter, Hernandez wrote.

My daughter went to Freedom High School with Joe, and they have been friends for much of their lives. Once, when they were in school together, my daughter had a minor disagreement with some of her classmates that got blown out of proportion. Like any father would, I reacted emotionally. Unfortunately, I did so before I had all the facts. Now, having talked to my daughter and investigated the whole story, I realize that I was mistaken about Joes involvement. I definitely overreacted, and I regret that my words might have given some people the wrong impression about Joe. I know that Joe did not hurt my daughter, did not intend to, and would not do so.

Joe and my daughter are still good friends. Joe is a great kid with a bright future in front of him, and he is welcome in my home anytime.

My family and I value our privacy. I hope that my statement puts this matter to rest. We will not respond to further media inquiries about this.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/04/19/high-school-allegation-against-joe-mixon-was-recanted/ - ( New Window )


Wow. Thanks for that Sgrcts! Yeah... I never saw that part.

Look... I'll just leave it at this... I personally wouldn't take Mixon off my board based on the incident at the deli. Although what he did was very bad and very wrong, it wasn't like he just hauled off and hit the girl for no reason (if he had I'd feel completely different about this). BUT, if he has any kind of history with abuse towards women, then I hope he never wears a Giants uniform.
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T-Bone : 4/19/2017 2:51 pm : link
In comment 13434427 therealmf said:
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At the same time, though, that doesn't mean that she has the right to hit anyone she pleases (unless it's in self defense). Her not being a punk has nothing to do with her initiating the hitting in the first place. If she chooses to hit someone first, then she also has chosen to face whatever consequences her hitting may bring. This time it was a broken jaw.



If Mixon pulled out a gun and killed her, would that also be a consequence she must face?

Someone needs to sit Mixon down and explain appropriate and proportional response.



Here we go with the 'ifs' again.

But to answer your question... yes.

I agree with your second sentence.



It was your 'if'.

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If she chooses to hit someone first, then she also has chosen to face whatever consequences her hitting may bring.



I'm just testing the limit to 'whatever consequences'. Are there any?



I'm not sure of the point of your post?



Stating that she must face the consequences indicates that she has no cause to be surprised for what transpired, that somehow the reaction from Mixon was justified by her action. While this in a small part may be true, it in no way, in my opinion, justifies how he responded.

So I'm asking you what response from Mixon would have been appropriate and justified in your opinion. Your statement indicated there was none.


You're changing what I said.

I never said she 'must' face consequences. I said she has chosen to face whatever consequences her actions may cause... as well we all must do no matter what actions we take.

You disagree?
F That, I'm taking him off my board and not  
Keith : 4/19/2017 3:00 pm : link
thinking twice about it. What kind of person hits a woman like that? Shes half his size and half slapped him(that's a total of 1/4 of a slap). Even if that was his only moment in his life when something like that happened, it's enough for me. What kind of person would full out punch a girl in the face??? Tells me all I need to know.
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therealmf : 4/19/2017 3:07 pm : link
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At the same time, though, that doesn't mean that she has the right to hit anyone she pleases (unless it's in self defense). Her not being a punk has nothing to do with her initiating the hitting in the first place. If she chooses to hit someone first, then she also has chosen to face whatever consequences her hitting may bring. This time it was a broken jaw.



If Mixon pulled out a gun and killed her, would that also be a consequence she must face?

Someone needs to sit Mixon down and explain appropriate and proportional response.



Here we go with the 'ifs' again.

But to answer your question... yes.

I agree with your second sentence.



It was your 'if'.

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If she chooses to hit someone first, then she also has chosen to face whatever consequences her hitting may bring.



I'm just testing the limit to 'whatever consequences'. Are there any?



I'm not sure of the point of your post?



Stating that she must face the consequences indicates that she has no cause to be surprised for what transpired, that somehow the reaction from Mixon was justified by her action. While this in a small part may be true, it in no way, in my opinion, justifies how he responded.

So I'm asking you what response from Mixon would have been appropriate and justified in your opinion. Your statement indicated there was none.



You're changing what I said.

I never said she 'must' face consequences. I said she has chosen to face whatever consequences her actions may cause... as well we all must do no matter what actions we take.

You disagree?


Is 'must' that much different than 'she has chosen'?

So to make it more palatable .....

Stating that she has chosen to face the consequences indicates that she has no cause to be surprised for what transpired, that somehow the reaction from Mixon was justified by her action. While this in a small part may be true, it in no way, in my opinion, justifies how he responded.

So I'm asking you what response from Mixon would have been appropriate and justified in your opinion. Your statement indicated there was none.




I do agree we must face consequences for our actions. If I run a red light I would not fight the ticket or the jump in insurance rates, but I would object if the police officer beat the shit out of me.

RE: F That, I'm taking him off my board and not  
T-Bone : 4/19/2017 3:08 pm : link
In comment 13434468 Keith said:
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thinking twice about it. What kind of person hits a woman like that? Shes half his size and half slapped him(that's a total of 1/4 of a slap). Even if that was his only moment in his life when something like that happened, it's enough for me. What kind of person would full out punch a girl in the face??? Tells me all I need to know.


You're certainly entitled to feel that way and I completely understand.

Based on that one incident... if that was the only incident where he hit a woman... I'd given him another chance. If he'd hit her without any provocation though I'd feel more like you.
therealmf  
T-Bone : 4/19/2017 3:19 pm : link
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Is 'must' that much different than 'she has chosen'?

So to make it more palatable .....

Stating that she has chosen to face the consequences indicates that she has no cause to be surprised for what transpired, that somehow the reaction from Mixon was justified by her action. While this in a small part may be true, it in no way, in my opinion, justifies how he responded.

So I'm asking you what response from Mixon would have been appropriate and justified in your opinion. Your statement indicated there was none.




I do agree we must face consequences for our actions. If I run a red light I would not fight the ticket or the jump in insurance rates, but I would object if the police officer beat the shit out of me.


The Reply option was getting to be too long for me.

In my view, yes... there's a huge difference between 'must' and 'she has chosen'... at least in the context I'm using it.

I never have, nor am I now, saying that she MUST face some kind of consequence for pushing and then slapping Mixon. Ideally, he would've turned and CONTINUED walked away (as he was going to do before she assaulted him by the way). But he didn't. Whether she was surprised by this or not... at least to me... is irrelevant. I wouldn't be shocked to hear him say that he was surprised that she attacked him first. Was justified in attacking Mixon because he called her friend a gay slur?
I just can't ever envision  
Keith : 4/19/2017 3:22 pm : link
myself hitting a woman. First off, there is no way she can hurt him, so we can start there. No reason for him to defend himself. There is clearly something inside of him that he thinks its ok to hit a woman. I can't envision any scenario outside of a woman having a weapon that can actually hurt me where I would lay my hands on her. None. There is no excuse, no get out of jail free card, nothing. He is a POS.
RE: I just can't ever envision  
T-Bone : 4/19/2017 3:57 pm : link
In comment 13434488 Keith said:
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myself hitting a woman. First off, there is no way she can hurt him, so we can start there. No reason for him to defend himself. There is clearly something inside of him that he thinks its ok to hit a woman. I can't envision any scenario outside of a woman having a weapon that can actually hurt me where I would lay my hands on her. None. There is no excuse, no get out of jail free card, nothing. He is a POS.


As I said before, I can't envision myself hitting one either.

I disagree with you saying that there's no way she can hurt him though. It's very possible that she can... or even could've injured him. Likely? No. But possible? Definitely yes. I don't care how small you may be... keep your hands to yourself or else face whatever consequences come to you. That goes for male and females.



This thread is like a broken record.  
River : 4/19/2017 4:05 pm : link
some people will never learn. I hope Jerry Jones jumps all over this guy and he gets nailed for domestic violence or beating up Dez.
RE: RE: I just can't ever envision  
therealmf : 4/19/2017 4:30 pm : link
In comment 13434529 T-Bone said:
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myself hitting a woman. First off, there is no way she can hurt him, so we can start there. No reason for him to defend himself. There is clearly something inside of him that he thinks its ok to hit a woman. I can't envision any scenario outside of a woman having a weapon that can actually hurt me where I would lay my hands on her. None. There is no excuse, no get out of jail free card, nothing. He is a POS.



As I said before, I can't envision myself hitting one either.

I disagree with you saying that there's no way she can hurt him though. It's very possible that she can... or even could've injured him. Likely? No. But possible? Definitely yes. I don't care how small you may be... keep your hands to yourself or else face whatever consequences come to you. That goes for male and females.




Again with "consequences". I tried before to clarify this before but I must have expressed my self poorly so I'll try again. Do you mean legal or physical consequences?

If you would expect physical consequences to pushing someone it implies you at least in part feel that the reaction is justified. What level of a violent reaction would you say is justifiable to being pushed by a woman and you are a highly trained athlete?
RE: This thread is like a broken record.  
T-Bone : 4/19/2017 4:32 pm : link
In comment 13434540 River said:
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some people will never learn. I hope Jerry Jones jumps all over this guy and he gets nailed for domestic violence or beating up Dez.


Well hopefully Mixon learned to not hit women.

And hopefully Miss Molitor learned to not him men.

See how that works?
serious question  
UConn4523 : 4/19/2017 4:32 pm : link
one that I have no specific answer to.

When is it ok to defend yourself? I thankfully have never had to, as an adult, but I definitely would in certain situations.

Don't women have that right too?
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T-Bone : 4/19/2017 4:40 pm : link
In comment 13434559 therealmf said:
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myself hitting a woman. First off, there is no way she can hurt him, so we can start there. No reason for him to defend himself. There is clearly something inside of him that he thinks its ok to hit a woman. I can't envision any scenario outside of a woman having a weapon that can actually hurt me where I would lay my hands on her. None. There is no excuse, no get out of jail free card, nothing. He is a POS.



As I said before, I can't envision myself hitting one either.

I disagree with you saying that there's no way she can hurt him though. It's very possible that she can... or even could've injured him. Likely? No. But possible? Definitely yes. I don't care how small you may be... keep your hands to yourself or else face whatever consequences come to you. That goes for male and females.






Again with "consequences". I tried before to clarify this before but I must have expressed my self poorly so I'll try again. Do you mean legal or physical consequences?

If you would expect physical consequences to pushing someone it implies you at least in part feel that the reaction is justified. What level of a violent reaction would you say is justifiable to being pushed by a woman and you are a highly trained athlete?


Both. If you put your hands on another person, whether you are a man or a woman, you should be prepared to deal with either legal or physical (or maybe even both types of) consequences. When you put your hands on another person you don't know how that person is going to react... so why not just keep your hands to yourself? You seem to be implying that what she did was ok, while what he did was wrong. I'm saying they both were wrong and for whatever reason you have a problem with that statement.

For whatever reason, you're seemingly trying to make me say or imply that it's ok that Mixon punched that woman. I've not once said that and I never will. All I've been saying... from the very beginning... is that if Miss Molitor had kept her hands to herself (and let Mixon walk away, as he was beginning to do) she wouldn't have gotten punched. I think most people if they push someone expects to face some kind of consequences to doing that, don't you? Or do you think that women have a right to go around pushing and slapping anyone they damn well please and not face any consequences for their actions?
RE: serious question  
T-Bone : 4/19/2017 4:42 pm : link
In comment 13434561 UConn4523 said:
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one that I have no specific answer to.

When is it ok to defend yourself? I thankfully have never had to, as an adult, but I definitely would in certain situations.

Don't women have that right too?


Of course they do.

But what does that have to do with this case? He didn't attack her, she attacked him. She wasn't trying to walk away and he stopped her and pushed her and slapped her... it was actually the reverse of that which occurred. This goes back to you saying he 'stalked' and 'cornered' her when it's been proven that neither of those were the case (she called him over to her table).
And let me say this...  
T-Bone : 4/19/2017 4:46 pm : link
it pisses me off that not one man in that deli stood up and at least TRIED to beat Mixon's ass. A black guy (with a hat and black shirt on), who actually looks bigger than Mixon, gets up from the table after Mixon hits her and leaves and all I can think of is that if I was that dude... and just saw a girl I was hanging out with get clobbered like that... a fight's breaking out.
Mixon "It felt like a Man hit me"  
River : 4/19/2017 4:47 pm : link


A slap to the ear?
Getting cupped over the ear actually does hurt like a mofo  
David in LA : 4/19/2017 4:49 pm : link
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RE: RE: serious question  
UConn4523 : 4/19/2017 4:50 pm : link
In comment 13434566 T-Bone said:
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one that I have no specific answer to.

When is it ok to defend yourself? I thankfully have never had to, as an adult, but I definitely would in certain situations.

Don't women have that right too?



Of course they do.

But what does that have to do with this case? He didn't attack her, she attacked him. She wasn't trying to walk away and he stopped her and pushed her and slapped her... it was actually the reverse of that which occurred. This goes back to you saying he 'stalked' and 'cornered' her when it's been proven that neither of those were the case (she called him over to her table).


IMO she was attacked from the moment she was spit on. She was then threatened further by being stalked into the restaurant and was then approached when trying to ignore him/them. When's enough, enough?

I couldn't disagree with you more on this portion.
Here is the walk over to the table.  
River : 4/19/2017 4:51 pm : link
RE: Mixon  
T-Bone : 4/19/2017 4:53 pm : link
In comment 13434570 River said:
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A slap to the ear?


Although David in LA is right in that getting hit in the ear does hurt, I personally feel that Mixon was lying about that to make her attack on him seem worse than it actually was. But that's just my opinion.
Here she is coming in away from him outside.  
River : 4/19/2017 4:55 pm : link
RE: RE: RE: serious question  
T-Bone : 4/19/2017 4:58 pm : link
In comment 13434574 UConn4523 said:
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In comment 13434561 UConn4523 said:


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one that I have no specific answer to.

When is it ok to defend yourself? I thankfully have never had to, as an adult, but I definitely would in certain situations.

Don't women have that right too?



Of course they do.

But what does that have to do with this case? He didn't attack her, she attacked him. She wasn't trying to walk away and he stopped her and pushed her and slapped her... it was actually the reverse of that which occurred. This goes back to you saying he 'stalked' and 'cornered' her when it's been proven that neither of those were the case (she called him over to her table).



IMO she was attacked from the moment she was spit on. She was then threatened further by being stalked into the restaurant and was then approached when trying to ignore him/them. When's enough, enough?

I couldn't disagree with you more on this portion.


It appears your opinion is factually wrong.

He allegedly spit on her AFTER she pushes him. You can see it in the video. He didn't spit on her and THEN followed her to the table (which she invited him to go to by the way, not sure how many times a stalker is invited to someone's table by the stalkee). Enough should've been enough if she walked back into the deli and DIDN'T signal for Mixon to come over to her table. But if she wasn't trying to talk to him, why did she motion for him to come over to her table (which you can clearly see she does in the video I linked to earlier in the thread)?
RE: Here she is coming in away from him outside.  
T-Bone : 4/19/2017 4:59 pm : link
In comment 13434577 River said:
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It's hilarious that both of your videos skip the part where she motions him over to her table.

#alternativefacts
RE: RE: Here she is coming in away from him outside.  
River : 4/19/2017 5:07 pm : link
In comment 13434583 T-Bone said:
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It's hilarious that both of your videos skip the part where she motions him over to her table.

#alternativefacts

Mixon's friend is at the table talking to her gay friend at the time. Mixon claims outside the Deli she was blowing smoke in his face and acting all crazy. When he was with his friends. Its on the police report. She also claims she went inside to get away from him because she was afraid of him. They were talking at the table to one of Mixons friends. It was a chance to make nice but turned out to be a chance for him to deck her.
RE: RE: RE: Here she is coming in away from him outside.  
T-Bone : 4/19/2017 5:09 pm : link
In comment 13434589 River said:
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It's hilarious that both of your videos skip the part where she motions him over to her table.

#alternativefacts


Mixon's friend is at the table talking to her gay friend at the time. Mixon claims outside the Deli she was blowing smoke in his face and acting all crazy. When he was with his friends. Its on the police report. She also claims she went inside to get away from him because she was afraid of him. They were talking at the table to one of Mixons friends. It was a chance to make nice but turned out to be a chance for him to deck her.


And yet she was so pressed to get away from him she invites him over to her table?

Yeah... that makes sense.
This thread needs to be deleted  
jlukes : 4/19/2017 5:13 pm : link
because most people are missing the fact that the story from the initial post is BS
RE: This thread needs to be deleted  
T-Bone : 4/19/2017 5:14 pm : link
In comment 13434599 jlukes said:
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because most people are missing the fact that the story from the initial post is BS


LOL! Good point!
I thought she was spit on after the initial altercation  
UConn4523 : 4/19/2017 5:16 pm : link
if that isn't the case, yes I'm wrong.
RE: I thought she was spit on after the initial altercation  
T-Bone : 4/19/2017 5:20 pm : link
In comment 13434606 UConn4523 said:
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if that isn't the case, yes I'm wrong.


You mean outside?

No sir... he supposedly spit on her after she pushes him the first time.

Well folks, that's it for me today. Everyone have a great night!
So it was  
UConn4523 : 4/19/2017 5:23 pm : link
push, spit, smack, broken jaw?

Still a fuckin coward. A man spitting on a girl after a push that hurts less than my daughter accidentally stepping on my toe is ridiculous.

But I'm don't too since this is dumb. I just hope we don't draft him.
After watching the mixon video way back  
djm : 4/19/2017 5:27 pm : link
I would have bet every dollar I own that he hit a woman before the video incident. He looked way too comfortable and quick to the draw.
Some good people are trying to make a point that  
djm : 4/19/2017 5:38 pm : link
A: isn't applicable here.
B: it is common sense that if any man is actually under physical duress from a woman and needs to defend himself with force, fine, if his well being is being threatened with force? Fine. Even then a man can do about ten things to avoid cold cocking a woman.

It's nonsense. Yes, a woman shouldn't assault a man and in rare cases force might be required but I'd say it's 1-1000 cases where force might be needed and we're talking horror movie crazy bitch kind of stuff.
I hope we don't draft  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 4/19/2017 5:55 pm : link
him.
Looks like low wonderlic scores too.  
River : 4/19/2017 6:23 pm : link

This guy has Cowboy written all over him.
djm  
T-Bone : 4/20/2017 10:26 am : link
I'm assuming (correct me if I'm wrong) that you're referring to me in your post. Again, it appears that some folks are so caught up in Mixon's punch that they refuse to accept what's been my position on this since the beginning. You can't say it's 'not applicable' because it is... and that's that if the woman had kept her hands to herself, she doesn't get punched.

This will be the last time I post about this because, frankly, I'm tired of saying the same thing over and over again. In your last sentence you say:

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Yes, a woman shouldn't assault a man and in rare cases force might be required but I'd say it's 1-1000 cases where force might be needed and we're talking horror movie crazy bitch kind of stuff.


There is no 'but' needed in there. A woman shouldn't assault a man. Period. Stop. End of story. Fine. However you want to put it, that's it. The statement 'A woman shouldn't assault a man' doesn't need to have any kind of 'but', 'if' or any other qualifier after it. Why that statement either bothers or confuses anyone is beyond me.

I talked to my wife about this conversation this morning and then showed her the video (she hadn't seen it yet). While watching the video, the first audible 'gasp' (which was more her saying 'Aww!' as if she was shocked she started pushing him) I heard from her is when she pushed. But when he punches her she then says 'WHOA! He didn't have to hit her like that.'. But you know what her next statement was?

'He was wrong for hitting her like that... but she really should've just let him walk away.'

That's what I've been saying from the very beginning. All Mixon did was call her friend a gay slur... but as far as some of you seemed to be concerned, that was enough to justify her pushing and 'half slapping' (whatever that is... I told my wife about someone saying it was a 'half slap' and she was like 'Half slap? What's the difference, it's still a slap! So it would've been ok if he 'half punched' her?') Mixon. Most of you have been downplaying her assault on him but if anything, she could (and perhaps should) be called a 'thug' and 'animal' just like Mixon has been numerous times... and yet I've yet to see ONE person refer to her as anything close to that.

She started the physical confrontation. That's an undeniable fact. It's an undeniable fact that had she let Mixon continue to walk away, she most likely would not been punched (of course it's possible that Mixon may've returned and hit her... but unlikely). You say, in an earlier post, that you could tell by Mixon's hit women in the past because he 'looked way too comfortable' hitting the girl... if you ask me, the girl probably has a past of putting her hands on people too because she was waay to quick to push and slap Mixon just because he called her friend a gay slur.

I've repeatedly said that Mixon was wrong for punching her like that. No one seems to have an issue with that statement. I've also said that the girl should've kept her hands to herself in the first place. But for some reason THAT statement some of you have a problem with and I don't know why and honestly, at this point, I don't are to know. All I do know is that you all may want to tell your wives, daughters, nieces, aunts and any other female family members or friends you may know that it's always best to keep their hands to themselves because you don't know how the person you decide to attack will defend themselves. Some will walk away... others may simply push or try to restrain... and some others will react much more violently.
this is one of those things  
UConn4523 : 4/20/2017 10:30 am : link
that's hard to discuss on a message board. I think we are all in agreement, its just that when the focus is turned to "the girl started it" or "she shouldn't have hit him", it looks like you or anyone else isn't going hard enough on Mixon (which I know isn't the case, but again, its a message board).
RE: this is one of those things  
T-Bone : 4/20/2017 11:19 am : link
In comment 13435257 UConn4523 said:
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that's hard to discuss on a message board. I think we are all in agreement, its just that when the focus is turned to "the girl started it" or "she shouldn't have hit him", it looks like you or anyone else isn't going hard enough on Mixon (which I know isn't the case, but again, its a message board).


I hear ya UConn and I can understand that. Even though I've repeatedly said how wrong Mixon was, I also think it's irresponsible to dismiss the role the young lady played in this incident. Mainly, as I said to djm, because she was too quick to put her hands on him and so I'm hoping she's learned her lesson as well. I'm not absolving Mixon of his WORSE reaction to her BAD reaction... all I've been saying is that his 'worse' reaction most likely wouldn't have happened if it wasn't for her 'bad' reaction. For whatever reason that notion seems to rub some the wrong way.
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Bill2 : 4/20/2017 11:40 am : link
instead of focusing on the legality or morality think of it from the point of view of a business risk assessment

Does Mixon show good judgement?

The NFL is full of guys who will taunt him

Not just opponents but his own "teammates"

Think all the RB in camp wont provoke him?

Now add the non stop media attention

Think women against violence wont protest?

think that once he gets a contract and has money he wont get sued by the guy and the girl?

Does the guy in the video show judgement?

Neither does she but no one is putting their organization, their fan base, their locker room, the nfl and real money at risk on her



RE: Mixon  
Beer Man : 4/20/2017 9:21 pm : link
In comment 13434570 River said:
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A slap to the ear?
As disturbing as that clip is, you need to see the full video to see just how vicious an act it actually was. He literally knocked he out cold.


Full Mixon video - Youtube - ( New Window )
RE: .  
Beer Man : 4/21/2017 6:45 am : link
In comment 13435427 Bill2 said:
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instead of focusing on the legality or morality think of it from the point of view of a business risk assessment

Does Mixon show good judgement?

The NFL is full of guys who will taunt him

Not just opponents but his own "teammates"

Think all the RB in camp wont provoke him?

Now add the non stop media attention

Think women against violence wont protest?

think that once he gets a contract and has money he wont get sued by the guy and the girl?

Does the guy in the video show judgement?

Neither does she but no one is putting their organization, their fan base, their locker room, the nfl and real money at risk on her


Completely agree. Would not surprise me if he goes undrafted. Last week, one of the talking heads made a good point when he said that Mixon's best chance at a NFL career may be to skip the draft, check himself into a clinic that deals with his type of anger issues, and come back to the NFL next year after a year of rehab.
3 words  
Sec 103 : 4/21/2017 8:15 am : link
P O S !!!
RE: I'll take the heat... and I still stand by my comments on the previous  
Section331 : 4/21/2017 11:30 am : link
In comment 13434172 T-Bone said:
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thread. She should've kept her hands to herself. At no point did I condone him hitting her the way he did... but for whatever reason she assaulting him first seems to always be overlooked and I don't think that's fair at all.

That said, the possibility that it wasn't the first time he hit a girl/woman (which I believe) changes my personal view of him from a guy who's a dick... who overreacted by punching her the way he did in the college video... to now a contemptible human being and I also would like to not see on the Giants.


I don't see why you are so willing to die on this hill. He walked up to that woman unprovoked and said something to them that caused her to strike him. Yes, she shouldn't have done that, but HE STARTED THE ALTERCATION, and he was the 230 lb D-1 athlete striking a much smaller woman. I don't see how the 2 offenses are remotely similar. How would you react if it were your wife/gf/sister/daughter?

On top of that, he still refuses to take responsibility. His story is utter bullshit, and is easily picked apart by the available video evidence. If an NFL team chooses to take a chance on him, good for him; but if it's the Giants, I will stop watching until he is gone.
RE: RE: I'll take the heat... and I still stand by my comments on the previous  
T-Bone : 4/21/2017 11:36 am : link
In comment 13437213 Section331 said:
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In comment 13434172 T-Bone said:


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thread. She should've kept her hands to herself. At no point did I condone him hitting her the way he did... but for whatever reason she assaulting him first seems to always be overlooked and I don't think that's fair at all.

That said, the possibility that it wasn't the first time he hit a girl/woman (which I believe) changes my personal view of him from a guy who's a dick... who overreacted by punching her the way he did in the college video... to now a contemptible human being and I also would like to not see on the Giants.



I don't see why you are so willing to die on this hill. He walked up to that woman unprovoked and said something to them that caused her to strike him. Yes, she shouldn't have done that, but HE STARTED THE ALTERCATION, and he was the 230 lb D-1 athlete striking a much smaller woman. I don't see how the 2 offenses are remotely similar. How would you react if it were your wife/gf/sister/daughter?

On top of that, he still refuses to take responsibility. His story is utter bullshit, and is easily picked apart by the available video evidence. If an NFL team chooses to take a chance on him, good for him; but if it's the Giants, I will stop watching until he is gone.


1) You don't know what you're talking about. She motions him over to the table. So he didn't walk up to her 'unprovoked'. Nor did he start the altercation since he was actually walking away from the table when she grabs and pushes him.

2) Read through the thread after that post of mine. As I've said, if I'd been in the room, Mixon would've had a real problem on his hands from me... especially if it had been my wife,sister or daughter.

3) I'm done with this topic.
the altercation clearly starts outside  
UConn4523 : 4/21/2017 11:44 am : link
not inside, IMO.
RE: the altercation clearly starts outside  
T-Bone : 4/21/2017 12:02 pm : link
In comment 13437235 UConn4523 said:
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not inside, IMO.


Whatever...
T-Bone  
BigBlueShock : 4/21/2017 12:26 pm : link
Your obsession with her not getting enough flak in this is just strange. This is getting talked about because if his potential draft status, THAT'S why his actions are getting dissected more than hers. This story isn't getting much air time outside of sports shows/websites. Why are sports shows/websites so focused on him? Because he is the athlete with millions to lose and everybody has been chiming in with their own opinions on whether a team should take a chance on him. Perhaps if SHE was entering the NFL draft as a highly touted RB, the media and fans would be dissecting her actions a bit more to your liking. Bottom line is, if he wasn't a star athlete, we wouldn't be discussing this incident at all. You wouldn't be reading about it anywhere. It's unfortunate, but it's just how it is. Critique that "monster" push of hers all you'd like if it makes you feel better, but HE'S the one that has put his career on the line. I'm really not sure what you want at this point.
RE: T-Bone  
T-Bone : 4/21/2017 12:56 pm : link
In comment 13437316 BigBlueShock said:
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Your obsession with her not getting enough flak in this is just strange. This is getting talked about because if his potential draft status, THAT'S why his actions are getting dissected more than hers. This story isn't getting much air time outside of sports shows/websites. Why are sports shows/websites so focused on him? Because he is the athlete with millions to lose and everybody has been chiming in with their own opinions on whether a team should take a chance on him. Perhaps if SHE was entering the NFL draft as a highly touted RB, the media and fans would be dissecting her actions a bit more to your liking. Bottom line is, if he wasn't a star athlete, we wouldn't be discussing this incident at all. You wouldn't be reading about it anywhere. It's unfortunate, but it's just how it is. Critique that "monster" push of hers all you'd like if it makes you feel better, but HE'S the one that has put his career on the line. I'm really not sure what you want at this point.


That's a fair response and I appreciate it, therefore I'll explain.

In response, the reason for my 'obsession' (if that's what you want to call it) is because as a man (particularly a black man) myself I've been in similar situations and what I'm trying to do is educate the men on this site that if you don't want your mothers, daughters, aunts and/or nieces to get themselves in a position where they may be knocked out, then I'd suggest you tell them to keep their hands to themselves.

Had Mixon walked away after being pushed (never did I say 'monster' push, so there's really no reason for the sarcasm there) and decided to press charges against her for assaulting him... would those of you who have been so quick to call him a 'thug', 'asshole' and 'POS' been so quick to label her the same way? Be honest. I'm leaning towards that answer being 'no'. And yet it was her that put her hands on him first. The FACT that she's faced no consequences (besides the broken jaw HER actions earned her) is what bothers me and basically makes her think it's ok for her to put her hands on anyone she wants. She, in effect, is being given a free pass.

I don't have a daughter yet (the wife and I are expecting our second child though quiet as kept) but if we are blessed to bring a girl into this world I'll be telling her the same thing I've told my sisters in the past... keep your hands to yourselves (unless it's in self defense) because you don't know how the person (especially a man) may react back. Not all men are going to simply walk away and you can seriously get yourself hurt, or worse killed. Just as I'll be teaching my son that if he puts his hands on a woman he better be ready to put his hands on me if/when I find out because I'm gonna put my hands on him. He's not even two years old yet and I'm already teaching him that boys don't hit girls. That's something my father instilled in me when I was young and thus I've never hit a woman in my life.

During my discussions with various posters about this topic over the past week or so I've seen a bunch of reports and statements which have been proven to be false. From Mixon 'cornering' the girl... to him barging in on them (when she invited him over to the table). Meanwhile, her assault on him has been called a 'half slap', a 'subtle push' and that she had a right to do it because she was defending her friend (who was called a gay slur... not physically attacked... simply called a gay slur). That bothers me because I can't help but feel like these same guys would excuse their own daughters/sisters/whatever attacking a man and thinking that the man has no right to defend himself simply because she's a girl. There are a great many women who will use the fact that they are a girl as an excuse for putting their hands on a man and I find that sickening. I know because I've run into a few myself. I've shared on this site a few times a story where a woman wouldn't let me leave and kept attacking me and I'd grab her arms to restrain her and she said that if I left she'd tell the police that I beat her and use the bruises on her arms as proof... and ya know what, the police would believe her story over mine every day of the week and twice on Sundays. So all I could do is sit down and wait for her to allow me to leave. If you've never been put in that position, you're lucky because it's not a good feeling to be in.

So, I understand WHY this is being talked about in the media. But I don't have a chance to point this out to the general media now do I? But on this site I do. And all I've pointed out is that she put her hands on him first and yet her actions have been continuously excused and or downplayed throughout this and the other thread. And that's not right. She keeps her hands to herself, Mixon most likely doesn't hit her. That's a fact. But it's one that many here seem to want to skip over or flat out ignore. If you've ever been put in a position like that, it would bother you too.
By the way...  
T-Bone : 4/21/2017 12:57 pm : link
I've even had MY character called into question over this. Because I've simply been stating a fact. Think about that.
RE: RE: the altercation clearly starts outside  
UConn4523 : 4/21/2017 12:59 pm : link
In comment 13437274 T-Bone said:
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In comment 13437235 UConn4523 said:


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not inside, IMO.



Whatever...


I'm not getting started on the entire ordeal again, but how can you honestly say that it started inside? So she just talks shit to this random dude that walks into the restaurant? Everything from the reports to the video suggest that it started before opening that door. Unless you are referring to being physical as "starting it", I really can't agree with you on this one.
Society frowns..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 4/21/2017 1:09 pm : link
on the strong picking on the weak, whether or not it is warranted.

I'm not sure why race is being prominently discussed here. When Bruce Miller, a white 49ers FB, kicked the ass of a 70 year old man he was called a thug, an idiot, an animal and a bunch of other things and was promptly released by the Niners. He also had a past allegation of spousal abuse, too.

The 70 year old man laid his hands on Miller first, trying to stop Miller from pummeling his son. Basically, a drunk Miller knocked on a door, beat the crap out of the guy who answered it (the son), then when the Dad came to protect the son, kicked his ass too.

It doesn't matter if the Dad initiated contact or if words were exchanged. what matters is that a really strong dude senselessly beat an old man. Old people, women and children getting beaten is going to be a poor play no matter what.

Interjecting race into the discussion as a way to deflect the viciousness of slamming a fist into a woman's head seems odd.
T-Bone  
BigBlueShock : 4/21/2017 1:26 pm : link
"Had Mixon walked away after being pushed (never did I say 'monster' push, so there's really no reason for the sarcasm there) and decided to press charges against her for assaulting him... would those of you who have been so quick to call him a 'thug', 'asshole' and 'POS' been so quick to label her the same way? "

You look at that damn video and tell me that you consider that first initial push by a 105 girl to a much bigger man to be worthy of the same contempt as his hit on her, if the incident stopped at that push and he filed assault charges. That's absolutely ridiculous. Assault charges? Haha, classic. There's not a man on this planet that would file assault charges on a woman for that push. But whatever. I guess she's a thug, asshole and POS. Oh, and I. Sure her parents have told her it was ok to hit a man too, like you keep insinuating must be the case. Bad parenting. Good lord what has this world come to?
RE: T-Bone  
Beer Man : 4/21/2017 1:41 pm : link
In comment 13437316 BigBlueShock said:
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Your obsession with her not getting enough flak in this is just strange. This is getting talked about because if his potential draft status, THAT'S why his actions are getting dissected more than hers. This story isn't getting much air time outside of sports shows/websites. Why are sports shows/websites so focused on him? Because he is the athlete with millions to lose and everybody has been chiming in with their own opinions on whether a team should take a chance on him. Perhaps if SHE was entering the NFL draft as a highly touted RB, the media and fans would be dissecting her actions a bit more to your liking. Bottom line is, if he wasn't a star athlete, we wouldn't be discussing this incident at all. You wouldn't be reading about it anywhere. It's unfortunate, but it's just how it is. Critique that "monster" push of hers all you'd like if it makes you feel better, but HE'S the one that has put his career on the line. I'm really not sure what you want at this point.
I think being knocked out and having your jaw broken in 4 places is probably far worst than any "flak" that some thinks she deserves. The guy is twice her size, and infinitely more powerful; there is nothing in the story that justifies what he did.
RE: RE: RE: the altercation clearly starts outside  
T-Bone : 4/21/2017 1:49 pm : link
In comment 13437374 UConn4523 said:
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In comment 13437274 T-Bone said:


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not inside, IMO.



Whatever...



I'm not getting started on the entire ordeal again, but how can you honestly say that it started inside? So she just talks shit to this random dude that walks into the restaurant? Everything from the reports to the video suggest that it started before opening that door. Unless you are referring to being physical as "starting it", I really can't agree with you on this one.


Yes... I meant the physical altercation. Which is what this whole story is based around.
T-Bone  
Keith : 4/21/2017 1:51 pm : link
I knew you weren't going to walk away from this conversation, haha.
RE: Society frowns..  
T-Bone : 4/21/2017 1:52 pm : link
In comment 13437384 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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on the strong picking on the weak, whether or not it is warranted.

I'm not sure why race is being prominently discussed here. When Bruce Miller, a white 49ers FB, kicked the ass of a 70 year old man he was called a thug, an idiot, an animal and a bunch of other things and was promptly released by the Niners. He also had a past allegation of spousal abuse, too.

The 70 year old man laid his hands on Miller first, trying to stop Miller from pummeling his son. Basically, a drunk Miller knocked on a door, beat the crap out of the guy who answered it (the son), then when the Dad came to protect the son, kicked his ass too.

It doesn't matter if the Dad initiated contact or if words were exchanged. what matters is that a really strong dude senselessly beat an old man. Old people, women and children getting beaten is going to be a poor play no matter what.

Interjecting race into the discussion as a way to deflect the viciousness of slamming a fist into a woman's head seems odd.


I'm not sure why you think race is 'prominently' being discussed here. The only time I can remember race being mentioned is when I put '(particularly as a black man)'. If that's all it took to get you started, you were looking for something that wasn't there. I've purposely not mentioned race not once because this isn't about race as much as it's about a woman hitting a man and vice versa.

Again, this isn't about race and the one interjecting it into this isn't me.
BBShock  
T-Bone : 4/21/2017 2:03 pm : link
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You look at that damn video and tell me that you consider that first initial push by a 105 girl to a much bigger man to be worthy of the same contempt as his hit on her


I never said that it did. Not sure how you could take my sentence you put in your post as a way of saying I did.

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That's absolutely ridiculous. Assault charges? Haha, classic. There's not a man on this planet that would file assault charges on a woman for that push


You're probably right... but the push AND the slap? The push by itself could be deemed assault in a court of law... the slap definitely pushes it into that realm. Most men wouldn't file a lawsuit for sexual harassment either against a woman... does that mean it doesn't take place?

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But whatever. I guess she's a thug, asshole and POS


I don't see any reason to NOT label her as such based on the however-many-minute video that's out there. That's what most of you have labeled Mixon based on that video right?

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Oh, and I. Sure her parents have told her it was ok to hit a man too, like you keep insinuating must be the case. Bad parenting


Firstly, I never 'insinuated' that. BUT, using same logic djm used above... she was waaaay too quick to put her hands on Mixon... which makes me think she's done it before. That said, I don't know whether her parents have told her not to put her hands on others or not. And even if they didn't, I don't know if I'd chalk that up to 'bad parenting'... because it should be common sense that you don't put your hands on someone else unless they want you to.

Which bring me to this... I'm stunned (but not exactly surprised) that the problem everyone seems to have with me is my notion that a person... whether that person be a male or female... do NOT put their hands on someone else without their permission. YOUR last post, BBSHock, is exactly why I've been saying what I've been saying over and over again and, for some strange reason, beeen facing a lot of backlash over. I would think that a site full of grown, intelligent men would actually agree with me on that statement... but maybe I've overrating the room here? Unless I come down hard on Mixon... and ONLY on Mixon... then I'm basically a woman-beating, racist thug who must love going on and beating up my wife. Forget the girl's part if what happened... she had a right to push and slap Mixon because he shouldn't have called her friend a gay slur I guess!

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Good lord what has this world come to?


Amen to that.

RE: RE: T-Bone  
T-Bone : 4/21/2017 2:04 pm : link
In comment 13437447 Beer Man said:
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In comment 13437316 BigBlueShock said:


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Your obsession with her not getting enough flak in this is just strange. This is getting talked about because if his potential draft status, THAT'S why his actions are getting dissected more than hers. This story isn't getting much air time outside of sports shows/websites. Why are sports shows/websites so focused on him? Because he is the athlete with millions to lose and everybody has been chiming in with their own opinions on whether a team should take a chance on him. Perhaps if SHE was entering the NFL draft as a highly touted RB, the media and fans would be dissecting her actions a bit more to your liking. Bottom line is, if he wasn't a star athlete, we wouldn't be discussing this incident at all. You wouldn't be reading about it anywhere. It's unfortunate, but it's just how it is. Critique that "monster" push of hers all you'd like if it makes you feel better, but HE'S the one that has put his career on the line. I'm really not sure what you want at this point.

I think being knocked out and having your jaw broken in 4 places is probably far worst than any "flak" that some thinks she deserves. The guy is twice her size, and infinitely more powerful; there is nothing in the story that justifies what he did.


And at NO point did I say that there was!

Jesus Christ! Do you guys really think that she had a right to put her hands on him? Yes or no.
RE: T-Bone  
T-Bone : 4/21/2017 2:09 pm : link
In comment 13437478 Keith said:
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I knew you weren't going to walk away from this conversation, haha.


Hey man... I've let Bill2, Beer Man (TWICE!) and Sec 103 post and I wasn't going to respond. It wasn't until Section 331 chimed in and basically put out a lot of the same misinformation that's been going on since the start of this thread that I felt the need to respond and correct him. Then all hell broke loose (again).

I guess I really just need to walk away from this conversation because no matter what I say... or how many times I say it... any criticism of the girl's part in this is met with 'OH MY GOD! HOW CAN YOU DEFEND MIXON IN THIS!!!!' and no matter how many time... or different ways I say it... that's all that some are going to see. Which is a shame because I'd think that some of these guys are open-minded enough to see what I'm saying and agree with it. But I guess not. I guess it's ok for women to hit men in their worlds? But that's not a world I'd like to live in.
Any man that punches a woman like that  
Keith : 4/21/2017 2:10 pm : link
is a POS. There is no debate in my eyes. It's really no different than hitting a child. She can't possibly hurt him.

Is she a POS for pushing him the first time? Hard to tell based on what we saw, but it was a mistake for sure.

She pushes, he spits on her which is disgraceful and then she half slaps him(you can clearly see she lets up and rethinks it midway through).

I'm not sure why you keep comparing the two of them, what she did doesn't come close to what he did. Maybe if he was walking his dog and she killed the dog you can compare it, but her pushing him as soft as she did doesn't compare to a man punching a woman in the face.
Here's how I see it..  
Keith : 4/21/2017 2:11 pm : link
What she did=bad judgement
What he did=makes him a POS to the highest degree
RE: Any man that punches a woman like that  
T-Bone : 4/21/2017 2:14 pm : link
In comment 13437519 Keith said:
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is a POS. There is no debate in my eyes. It's really no different than hitting a child. She can't possibly hurt him.

Is she a POS for pushing him the first time? Hard to tell based on what we saw, but it was a mistake for sure.

She pushes, he spits on her which is disgraceful and then she half slaps him(you can clearly see she lets up and rethinks it midway through).

I'm not sure why you keep comparing the two of them, what she did doesn't come close to what he did. Maybe if he was walking his dog and she killed the dog you can compare it, but her pushing him as soft as she did doesn't compare to a man punching a woman in the face.


*sigh*

I give up. I just... I just don't know what to say anymore. The only time I've 'compared' their respective hits is when I've said that Mixon's was infinitely worse than hers. I've said that more than a few times.

And 'half slap'? Really?

RE: Here's how I see it..  
T-Bone : 4/21/2017 2:15 pm : link
In comment 13437521 Keith said:
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What she did=bad judgement
What he did=makes him a POS to the highest degree


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What she did=bad judgement


And that's the problem. What she did was flat out wrong. Period. Stop. End of story.
You will never give up  
Keith : 4/21/2017 2:15 pm : link
you are in too deep!
Oh please.  
Keith : 4/21/2017 2:16 pm : link
It was like two hand touch football. She didn't even really push him. Then he spit on her which is disguisting.
Why not??  
FatMan in Charlotte : 4/21/2017 2:16 pm : link
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Jesus Christ! Do you guys really think that she had a right to put her hands on him? Yes or no.


You've never seen an angry or frustrated person lash out in a non-harmful way? Watch a toddler after somebody removes a toy from their hands. If they swing at you, can you just bash their head into the wall?

An old man gets angry and whips his cane to your leg at .025mph. Do you break the stick over his head?

You get pushed by a child, an old man or a woman in a manner that doesn't cause harm, you let it go. You don't deliver a blow that can kill them.
Look at the clip  
Keith : 4/21/2017 2:17 pm : link
from 4:47 yesterday. You really think what she did was that bad??? She touched him and he spit on her. My 10 year old daughter can slap harder than that if she wanted. She barely touches him.
when you try hard to  
UConn4523 : 4/21/2017 2:18 pm : link
defend the lesser of two crimes its going to look like you care more about the lesser of the two crimes. I don't actually think that of you, but again, its a hard message to convey on a message board.
RE: You will never give up  
T-Bone : 4/21/2017 2:19 pm : link
In comment 13437531 Keith said:
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you are in too deep!


I really, really want to Keith. I really do. I'm just shocked that some of the same posters who will post on this site "I don't understand why no one's allowed to criticize Eli on this site without getting flamed!" are some of the very same people are have a problem with me pointing that the girl is not COMPLETELY blameless in what happened. THAT's what seems to bother people and I'm very confused by it. The statement 'Keep your hands to yourself' seems to only apply to a particular sex... which I wasn't taught but perhaps some are.
RE: Oh please.  
T-Bone : 4/21/2017 2:19 pm : link
In comment 13437532 Keith said:
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It was like two hand touch football. She didn't even really push him. Then he spit on her which is disguisting.


IT DOESN'T MATTER!!!!!!!!!! SHE SHOULDN'T HAVE PUT HER HANDS ON HIM PERIOD!!!!!!!!
Apparently my wife  
Keith : 4/21/2017 2:20 pm : link
got that memo :(
It does matter.  
Keith : 4/21/2017 2:22 pm : link
Please see FMIC's last post. If a kid kicks you in the shin, does he get what he deserves when you knock his teeth out?

Her actions were pretty harmless. The lesson that she needs to learn is that there are people that are POS and do bad things so keep your hands to yourself so you aren't a victim.
FatMan  
T-Bone : 4/21/2017 2:25 pm : link
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You've never seen an angry or frustrated person lash out in a non-harmful way?


Yes. But I wouldn't classify another person hitting another person and 'non-harmful'. You don't know what kind of physical condition that person that's being hit is in. Since we're all getting into 'what if's' now (which I've said I wasn't interested in doing), what if she pushed him and he slips on a soda on the floor and breaks his arm or neck. Was the push still not 'harmful'? Why not just keep your hands to yourself?

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Watch a toddler after somebody removes a toy from their hands. If they swing at you, can you just bash their head into the wall?


Apples to oranges.

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An old man gets angry and whips his cane to your leg at .025mph. Do you break the stick over his head?


This one is at least closer than the other one but the old man has no right to hit me with that cane no matter how angry he may be. You think he does?

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You get pushed by a child, an old man or a woman in a manner that doesn't cause harm, you let it go. You don't deliver a blow that can kill them.


Ok... so let me ask you this... had Mixon simply slapped her back... would that be ok?

If the girl had pulled a knife on Mixon and tried to stab him, would he have been justified in using his full force to punch her?
RE: Look at the clip  
T-Bone : 4/21/2017 2:27 pm : link
In comment 13437537 Keith said:
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from 4:47 yesterday. You really think what she did was that bad??? She touched him and he spit on her. My 10 year old daughter can slap harder than that if she wanted. She barely touches him.


IT DOESN'T MATTER! SHE SHOULDN'T HAVE PUT HER HAND ON HIM PERIOD!!!!!

You guys are just fucking with me at this point right? Please tell me you are. Because you're basically saying that it was ok for her to push and slap him because he called her friend a gay slur. Right?
The only logical move for Mixon  
Keith : 4/21/2017 2:27 pm : link
would be to very easily walk away. You think when she pushed him(barely, I'm not sure I'd even call it a push) that he was thinking.....I could have slipped on soda! So that's why he bashed her face?
RE: when you try hard to  
T-Bone : 4/21/2017 2:28 pm : link
In comment 13437539 UConn4523 said:
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defend the lesser of two crimes its going to look like you care more about the lesser of the two crimes. I don't actually think that of you, but again, its a hard message to convey on a message board.


I hear what your saying UConn but that's because people don't want to hear that she bares some blame in what happened. And I'm sorry that the statement bothers them so... but it's true. Ignoring her actions... which caused his (over)reaction... is wrong. It's what started the his act of punching her. Why this continues to be excused it both telling and alarming.
Yeah I don't think what she did was that bad.  
Keith : 4/21/2017 2:28 pm : link
It was wrong because she doesn't know what a POS the other person it, but it was harmless. Completely harmless.
RE: It does matter.  
T-Bone : 4/21/2017 2:30 pm : link
In comment 13437546 Keith said:
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Please see FMIC's last post. If a kid kicks you in the shin, does he get what he deserves when you knock his teeth out?

Her actions were pretty harmless. The lesson that she needs to learn is that there are people that are POS and do bad things so keep your hands to yourself so you aren't a victim.


You finally get it!!!!!! THANK YOU!!!!!
if Mixon slapped her back  
UConn4523 : 4/21/2017 2:30 pm : link
I still wouldn't be OK with it, but it also wouldn't have broken her face so it wouldn't be this big of a story. I said it in the thread the other week but I've seen guys get smacked at frat parties after saying something stupid to girls who deny them. They all take it like a man and move on.

She's wrong, I just don't know why we need to keep addressing that she was wrong. Her slap didn't hurt him, break his face, or give him an injury that will ruin his NFL career.
RE: Yeah I don't think what she did was that bad.  
T-Bone : 4/21/2017 2:30 pm : link
In comment 13437564 Keith said:
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It was wrong because she doesn't know what a POS the other person it, but it was harmless. Completely harmless.


Ok... maybe you don't get it... because no matter how harmless what she did was... if she just keeps her hands to herself... she doesn't have to worry about getting hit. Period.
The difference here T-Bone  
Keith : 4/21/2017 2:32 pm : link
is that I am aware she is the victim. You however say she is to blame. What she did was harmless, but her problem was not knowing that the other person was the scum of the earth.

Hey, don't walk down 42nd street, there are bad people down there. If you do and you get mugged or killed...it's your fault.
RE: if Mixon slapped her back  
T-Bone : 4/21/2017 2:32 pm : link
In comment 13437568 UConn4523 said:
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I still wouldn't be OK with it, but it also wouldn't have broken her face so it wouldn't be this big of a story. I said it in the thread the other week but I've seen guys get smacked at frat parties after saying something stupid to girls who deny them. They all take it like a man and move on.

She's wrong, I just don't know why we need to keep addressing that she was wrong. Her slap didn't hurt him, break his face, or give him an injury that will ruin his NFL career.


We only 'keep addressing' it because her part in it keeps getting either dismissed or downplayed when it was her actions... no matter who light that action may have been... that brought on his reaction. Some don't seem to want to accept that though.
RE: The difference here T-Bone  
T-Bone : 4/21/2017 2:34 pm : link
In comment 13437572 Keith said:
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is that I am aware she is the victim. You however say she is to blame. What she did was harmless, but her problem was not knowing that the other person was the scum of the earth.

Hey, don't walk down 42nd street, there are bad people down there. If you do and you get mugged or killed...it's your fault.


She is a victim... but she also to blame. He didn't just walk up to her and hit her... his punch was a retaliation for her push and slap. Was it an overreaction on his part? Yeah... that I agree completely with. But that doesn't absolve her of the blame she deserves because she put her hands on him first!

Wow.
Let me try to put it this way... and see if it helps you guys  
T-Bone : 4/21/2017 2:41 pm : link
understand my point.

Just as we can all agree that the push and slap (or, smh, half slap if you want to call it that) that the girl gave to Mixon didn't deserve for her to receive a full on punch in the mouth from him... can we also agree that Mixon calling her friend a gay slur didn't deserve a push and a slap (or half-slap) from the girl?

Can we all agree on that?
To be clear  
Keith : 4/21/2017 2:42 pm : link
she touched him after the gay slur(I won't even call it a push), then he spit on her. That's when she slapped him.
RE: To be clear  
T-Bone : 4/21/2017 2:46 pm : link
In comment 13437594 Keith said:
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she touched him after the gay slur(I won't even call it a push), then he spit on her. That's when she slapped him.


Now it wasn't even a push.

And you mean that's when she 'half slapped him' right?

By tomorrow the story is going to be he just walked up to her and punched her for no reason.
Well Tbone there certainly is a video posted  
Keith : 4/21/2017 2:48 pm : link
all over this thread. It was 100% harmless. She barely touches him. That fact that you are trying to make it sound way worse than it is, is telling to me.
You left out the part where her friend  
David in LA : 4/21/2017 2:48 pm : link
called him the n word BEFORE Mixon called her friend a slur.
ooooh what a viscious push and "slap"  
Keith : 4/21/2017 2:50 pm : link

Somehow her violent push  
Keith : 4/21/2017 2:51 pm : link
pushes him forward towards her, lol.
I really wouldn't have..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 4/21/2017 2:53 pm : link
much of a problem if Mixon pushed her away lightly.

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Ok... so let me ask you this... had Mixon simply slapped her back... would that be ok?


If he's pushing her aside as a way to extract himself and it is done without harm, I don't see a problem there. A slap gets into a discussion about raising a hand and all that.

Just as if a youth pushed me, I'd probably just push my way around him without doing anything that could constitute harm.

Call it apples to oranges, but if a person doesn't know their strength relative to another person, that's a big issue.
RE: Well Tbone there certainly is a video posted  
T-Bone : 4/21/2017 2:53 pm : link
In comment 13437601 Keith said:
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all over this thread. It was 100% harmless. She barely touches him. That fact that you are trying to make it sound way worse than it is, is telling to me.


The point... which you've been consistently missing... is that she shouldn't have put her hands on him in the first place.

You or anyone else want to 2:41 post? Or are we going to conveniently skip it?
Keith, there are two stories from two different parties  
David in LA : 4/21/2017 2:53 pm : link
all we have to go off is the video. The stuff prior is very much murky.
RE: Somehow her violent push  
T-Bone : 4/21/2017 2:54 pm : link
In comment 13437611 Keith said:
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pushes him forward towards her, lol.


We must be looking at two different videos.
RE: You left out the part where her friend  
T-Bone : 4/21/2017 2:55 pm : link
In comment 13437604 David in LA said:
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called him the n word BEFORE Mixon called her friend a slur.


Well she denies that was said (which of course means it's true) so I've been leaving that part out.
RE: Keith, there are two stories from two different parties  
Keith : 4/21/2017 2:57 pm : link
In comment 13437618 David in LA said:
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all we have to go off is the video. The stuff prior is very much murky.


To me, anything that happens before or after the video is irrelevant. Racial slur, gay slur, doesn't matter. Those are reasons for people to be agitated. She touches him, nothing that can inflict any sort of harm(luckily there wasn't any soda spilled on the ground to end his career). For a man to do that to a woman, says antyhing I need to know about him. Her fault is not realizing that people are POS and bad, bad people. It's not her fault she got laid out.
RE: I really wouldn't have..  
T-Bone : 4/21/2017 2:58 pm : link
In comment 13437615 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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much of a problem if Mixon pushed her away lightly.



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Ok... so let me ask you this... had Mixon simply slapped her back... would that be ok?



If he's pushing her aside as a way to extract himself and it is done without harm, I don't see a problem there. A slap gets into a discussion about raising a hand and all that.

Just as if a youth pushed me, I'd probably just push my way around him without doing anything that could constitute harm.

Call it apples to oranges, but if a person doesn't know their strength relative to another person, that's a big issue.


One would then argue that a smaller person should have the common sense to NOT touch.. must less push and slap... a bigger person.
RE: RE: Keith, there are two stories from two different parties  
T-Bone : 4/21/2017 3:01 pm : link
In comment 13437627 Keith said:
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In comment 13437618 David in LA said:


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all we have to go off is the video. The stuff prior is very much murky.



To me, anything that happens before or after the video is irrelevant. Racial slur, gay slur, doesn't matter. Those are reasons for people to be agitated. She touches him, nothing that can inflict any sort of harm(luckily there wasn't any soda spilled on the ground to end his career). For a man to do that to a woman, says antyhing I need to know about him. Her fault is not realizing that people are POS and bad, bad people. It's not her fault she got laid out.


I was pretty much... not totally, but pretty much... with you until that last sentence.

That last sentence is wrong. It's COMPLETELY her fault she got laid out. If she doesn't 'touch' (soon it's gonna be she just breathed on him) him, he doesn't touch her. Therefore, it's ALL her fault she got laid out. I know it makes some of you uncomfortable to hear and accept that... but it's the truth.
It is just really..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 4/21/2017 3:24 pm : link
hard for me to put much fault at anyone who doesn't use a closed fist to strike somebody and gets violently thrashed.

Any "what ifs" get dismissed as not being great parallels, but I keep going back to if somebody you're physically superior lashes out to you with a light push or a light slap, I just don't think you then can place blame. I mean, even if you get slapped hard by a woman, it is tough to justify.

If a Dad punches his son for discipline and gets an ass whooping back, people can see that point. If a mom slaps her son and the Son full on smashes her face with a punch in return, not many are going to see that as acceptable, and the Mom probably delivered the blow with force.

It isn't just the factor of being violent to a child, the elderly or a woman, it is the fact that the initial physicality didn't even pass any standard as being harmful.

Again, people will rip on scenarios, think about how many times you've been at a party or a bar and a drunk girl calls somebody an asshole and probably gives the old drunken push to them - they don't deserve to get cold-cocked, even if you think they are wrong for laying hands on somebody. Using that criteria, you can probably reason away any blunt force as a response to simply being touched.
RE: It is just really..  
T-Bone : 4/21/2017 3:31 pm : link
In comment 13437673 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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hard for me to put much fault at anyone who doesn't use a closed fist to strike somebody and gets violently thrashed.

Any "what ifs" get dismissed as not being great parallels, but I keep going back to if somebody you're physically superior lashes out to you with a light push or a light slap, I just don't think you then can place blame. I mean, even if you get slapped hard by a woman, it is tough to justify.

If a Dad punches his son for discipline and gets an ass whooping back, people can see that point. If a mom slaps her son and the Son full on smashes her face with a punch in return, not many are going to see that as acceptable, and the Mom probably delivered the blow with force.

It isn't just the factor of being violent to a child, the elderly or a woman, it is the fact that the initial physicality didn't even pass any standard as being harmful.

Again, people will rip on scenarios, think about how many times you've been at a party or a bar and a drunk girl calls somebody an asshole and probably gives the old drunken push to them - they don't deserve to get cold-cocked, even if you think they are wrong for laying hands on somebody. Using that criteria, you can probably reason away any blunt force as a response to simply being touched.


You can dress it up as many different ways as you want... a person shouldn't put their hands on another person. Again, you keep wanting to put the onus on Mixon's punch... and I agree that it deserves more scrutiny and vitriol than her slap... but what I don't agree with is that it was within her right to touch him in any way, shape or form. Why this very simple point continues to elude some of you I have no idea.

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Any "what ifs" get dismissed as not being great parallels, but I keep going back to if somebody you're physically superior lashes out to you with a light push or a light slap, I just don't think you then can place blame. I mean, even if you get slapped hard by a woman, it is tough to justify.


Again... I agree that Mixon's punch wasn't necessary.

What I disagree with is how you don't place blame on her for putting her hands on him first because his reaction was stronger than you or I think it should've been. That's the part that is continuing to confuse me. His reaction doesn't justify her action.
At the end of the day, Mixon is in the wrong  
David in LA : 4/21/2017 3:33 pm : link
If the girl or her associate called him a racial slur to kick things off, I'm less sympathetic, but acknowledge Mixon should have used better judgement and self control. Unfortunately, whether or not people on this board will acknowledge it or not, people have been known to use certain words to try to elicit a reaction, or they end up getting a much stronger reaction than they bargained for. I always think of the Westboro Baptist Church, they say shit to rile you up, but be sure to use every ounce of self control not to react, because they're trying to elicit a response to get litigious.
RE: At the end of the day, Mixon is in the wrong  
T-Bone : 4/21/2017 3:37 pm : link
In comment 13437696 David in LA said:
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If the girl or her associate called him a racial slur to kick things off, I'm less sympathetic, but acknowledge Mixon should have used better judgement and self control. Unfortunately, whether or not people on this board will acknowledge it or not, people have been known to use certain words to try to elicit a reaction, or they end up getting a much stronger reaction than they bargained for. I always think of the Westboro Baptist Church, they say shit to rile you up, but be sure to use every ounce of self control not to react, because they're trying to elicit a response to get litigious.


I agree... Mixon was wrong.

So was she.

Mixon was perhaps more wrong than her (I think so) but that doesn't mean she wasn't wrong also.

But for some reason the last part of that sentence bothers some.
I get where you're coming from T-Bone  
David in LA : 4/21/2017 3:42 pm : link
I think we both see two sides to a story from Mixon and Molitor's camp, and acknowledge that actions from BOTH parties built up to the end result we have here. I think you and I agree that Mixon holds the MOST culpability here. If it were a female member of my family or one of my friends that infact used a slur, and she got decked, I'd certainly have a bone to pick with the guy who threw hands, but also be looking at the girl like "you shouldn't have said that, what were you thinking?"
I don't think..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 4/21/2017 3:42 pm : link
it is "dressing it up" to not think a woman making contact with somebody that doesn't do harm is wrong.

Call it dressing it up, but if a slight push is able to elicit a violent smashing, the problem isn't with the girl, and I'm not sure what value is there can be to say she's at fault X% or partially at fault. That's where the comparisons to old men and kids comes in. There are lines that aren't to be crossed, no matter what, and this is one of them.

And it is sort of a strange point to dwell on if the girl is at fault, because it doesn't lessen Mixon's culpability a single bit. Whether laying hands on somebody is 100% wrong, 50% wrong or 22.67539% wrong really doesn't matter.
Boneman,  
Big Blue '56 : 4/21/2017 3:49 pm : link
with being on here all the time, I still don't believe ALL MY POSTS in a year, add up to all the words you have typed on this thread..😎😎.

You must be exhausted, my friend..👏🏼👍😍
RE: I get where you're coming from T-Bone  
T-Bone : 4/21/2017 4:09 pm : link
In comment 13437712 David in LA said:
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I think we both see two sides to a story from Mixon and Molitor's camp, and acknowledge that actions from BOTH parties built up to the end result we have here. I think you and I agree that Mixon holds the MOST culpability here. If it were a female member of my family or one of my friends that infact used a slur, and she got decked, I'd certainly have a bone to pick with the guy who threw hands, but also be looking at the girl like "you shouldn't have said that, what were you thinking?"


Exactly!

For whatever reason, some here don't want to see the 'other' side. As if she had a right to put her hands on him because he called her friend a gay slur.
RE: I don't think..  
T-Bone : 4/21/2017 4:12 pm : link
In comment 13437713 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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it is "dressing it up" to not think a woman making contact with somebody that doesn't do harm is wrong.

Call it dressing it up, but if a slight push is able to elicit a violent smashing, the problem isn't with the girl, and I'm not sure what value is there can be to say she's at fault X% or partially at fault. That's where the comparisons to old men and kids comes in. There are lines that aren't to be crossed, no matter what, and this is one of them.

And it is sort of a strange point to dwell on if the girl is at fault, because it doesn't lessen Mixon's culpability a single bit. Whether laying hands on somebody is 100% wrong, 50% wrong or 22.67539% wrong really doesn't matter.


See... where we disagree is thinking that she has a right to put her hands on him even if it's in a non-hurtful way. She has NO right to put her hands on him. Period. End of story.

The only reason why I'm 'dwelling' on it is because it appears no one wants to admit that she was in the wrong in the first place. I have no issue with anyone saying 'Yeah, what Mixon did was fucked up... but she shouldn't have put her hands on him.' but that's not something that I've seen said. All I've been hearing is how her putting her hands on him didn't hurt... and my point is that it doesn't matter whether it hurt or not... she shouldn't have put her hands on him period. Yeah... his punch went waaay over the line considering what she did to him... but the fact still remains that if she didn't touch him, he continues to walk away and doesn't touch her.
RE: Boneman,  
T-Bone : 4/21/2017 4:16 pm : link
In comment 13437723 Big Blue '56 said:
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with being on here all the time, I still don't believe ALL MY POSTS in a year, add up to all the words you have typed on this thread..😎😎.

You must be exhausted, my friend..👏🏼👍😍


I'm not tired of typing as much as I'm exhausted trying to point out something that I think... or should I say thought... everyone would agree with... and that's that no one should put their hands on someone else in an aggressive manner (whether that be a push, slight push, slap, half slap or any other way that's been described by some here) unless they're prepared to suffer whatever consequences may come from their action(s). Whoopi Goldberg does a great job of explaining exactly what I mean in the video at the bottom of the link I shared earlier in this thread. If the Molitor doesn't put her hands on Mixon, Mixon doesn't put his hands on her and this incident doesn't happen. That's a fact. But yet it's a fact that seems to bother some.
And I'm still waiting for someone  
T-Bone : 4/21/2017 4:17 pm : link
to answer my 2:41 post.
RE: Let me try to put it this way... and see if it helps you guys  
UConn4523 : 4/21/2017 4:23 pm : link
In comment 13437591 T-Bone said:
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understand my point.

Just as we can all agree that the push and slap (or, smh, half slap if you want to call it that) that the girl gave to Mixon didn't deserve for her to receive a full on punch in the mouth from him... can we also agree that Mixon calling her friend a gay slur didn't deserve a push and a slap (or half-slap) from the girl?

Can we all agree on that?


Yes, just so someone can answer you. We can agree on that. But i've said that repeatedly anyway.

My problem is the argument isn't over there. It allows you to make your point, and I guess that's great. The larger issue is what Mixon did in response to that.

Like it or not, stuff like this happens all the time and rarely does it end in a woman's face getting broken.
RE: Let me try to put it this way... and see if it helps you guys  
David in LA : 4/21/2017 4:27 pm : link
In comment 13437591 T-Bone said:
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understand my point.

Just as we can all agree that the push and slap (or, smh, half slap if you want to call it that) that the girl gave to Mixon didn't deserve for her to receive a full on punch in the mouth from him... can we also agree that Mixon calling her friend a gay slur didn't deserve a push and a slap (or half-slap) from the girl?

Can we all agree on that?


Interesting that some people seem to believe that he was called a gay slur, but the possibility that the n word was used is just brushed aside.
RE: RE: Let me try to put it this way... and see if it helps you guys  
T-Bone : 4/21/2017 4:29 pm : link
In comment 13437783 UConn4523 said:
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In comment 13437591 T-Bone said:


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understand my point.

Just as we can all agree that the push and slap (or, smh, half slap if you want to call it that) that the girl gave to Mixon didn't deserve for her to receive a full on punch in the mouth from him... can we also agree that Mixon calling her friend a gay slur didn't deserve a push and a slap (or half-slap) from the girl?

Can we all agree on that?



Yes, just so someone can answer you. We can agree on that. But i've said that repeatedly anyway.

My problem is the argument isn't over there. It allows you to make your point, and I guess that's great. The larger issue is what Mixon did in response to that.

Like it or not, stuff like this happens all the time and rarely does it end in a woman's face getting broken.


Thank you. Whether you've been agreeing with it or not, it doesn't appear that it's even been part of the argument for most. What Mixon did may be the larger issue but it's not the only issue and the fact that some have tried to soften, if not completely ignore, her role in what happened is what my problem is.

If stuff like this happens 'all the time' then more people need to understand that they need to keep their hands to themselves... and that goes for men AND women (and even kids, and old folks and....). When my almost 2 year old son hits one of the other kids I don't say 'Well he's 2, so it's ok.'. No, I tell him it's not right to hit other kids even if he is smaller than them because one day one of the bigger ones may get tired of it and hit him back... and he'll have deserved it.
RE: RE: Let me try to put it this way... and see if it helps you guys  
T-Bone : 4/21/2017 4:33 pm : link
In comment 13437789 David in LA said:
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understand my point.

Just as we can all agree that the push and slap (or, smh, half slap if you want to call it that) that the girl gave to Mixon didn't deserve for her to receive a full on punch in the mouth from him... can we also agree that Mixon calling her friend a gay slur didn't deserve a push and a slap (or half-slap) from the girl?

Can we all agree on that?



Interesting that some people seem to believe that he was called a gay slur, but the possibility that the n word was used is just brushed aside.


Oh yeah... it's easy to believe the big, bad football player called someone a gay slur... but the pretty, blond girl calling someone that?



I know you two are on a crucade  
Keith : 4/21/2017 4:35 pm : link
to protect the innocent Mixon, but who are you referring to with regards to the gay slur and racial slur? Maybe I missed it, but where is it that people are attackign him for the gay slur, but glancing over the racial slur? Just curious.
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T-Bone : 4/21/2017 4:35 pm : link
even with all that said, even if she had called him a racial slur, it still wouldn't have given him the right to put his hands on her... just as it wasn't her right to put her hands on him for calling her friend a gay slur.
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T-Bone : 4/21/2017 4:36 pm : link
In comment 13437799 Keith said:
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to protect the innocent Mixon, but who are you referring to with regards to the gay slur and racial slur? Maybe I missed it, but where is it that people are attackign him for the gay slur, but glancing over the racial slur? Just curious.


We're done Keith. Have a great weekend!
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Keith : 4/21/2017 4:37 pm : link
but you and david were finally getting somewhere!
TBone  
Bill2 : 4/21/2017 4:48 pm : link
Here is what i agree with: she should not have touched him.

Here is where you lose me on this one: when you said she "earned" her broken jaw

My read is that you conflate those two items and on the second I think you are very wrong to equate her wrong with a 230 pound athlete slugging anyone with malicious intent.

Hope you are well TBone. Over the years we have often agreed. I am sure we will often in the years ahead.
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T-Bone : 4/21/2017 5:01 pm : link
In comment 13437819 Bill2 said:
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Here is what i agree with: she should not have touched him.

Here is where you lose me on this one: when you said she "earned" her broken jaw

My read is that you conflate those two items and on the second I think you are very wrong to equate her wrong with a 230 pound athlete slugging anyone with malicious intent.

Hope you are well TBone. Over the years we have often agreed. I am sure we will often in the years ahead.


Ok... I can see how me saying she 'earned' what she got would rub some the wrong way and I think I'd like to admit that using that word was a mistake and would like to retract it because it implies that I believe she deserved to be hit by Mixon the way he hit her (which I don't think she did). My bad on that one and I retract that statement.

I'm glad at least a few are able to see my point. It was never to belittle or negate what Mixon did... which I've said repeatedly since I got involved in this topic. But what's bothered me is the seemingly lack of responsibility put on Molitor for putting her hands on him in the first place. I just don't think that's fair not only to Mixon (who honestly, I don't really care much about being fair to) but to all men who have had women put their hands on them. Just as we shouldn't put our hands on them, they shouldn't put their hands on us. That's all I've been saying the whole time.

I'm ok and I hope you are as well. It makes me feel a bit better to see that you get, understand and agree with what I've been trying to say because you've always been one of the more level-headed posters ever to grace this site and if you disagreed with me I'd have felt the need to really re-evaluate my position on this topic. Take care and God bless.
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Bill2 : 4/21/2017 6:19 pm : link
TBone. All good. I just thought that was the mis wording that got folks tangled up in what you were trying to say.

I especially liked your point about guidance to daughters and women. As girls appropriately are "allowed" to express themselves in sports and generally it is possible ( especially if prone to impulsive when out with friends) to mistake the positives of "gurl power" with the distinct difference in possible outcomes if a guy gets equally mouthy and prone to bravado.

I am somehow reminded of a guy I knew who worked in one of the Northeasts worse prisons for hardened cases. " These young guys make a mistake and go to far after years of being able to knock over little old ladies and or dominate store owners when with their group. They are used to being aggressors and living with defiant swagger. Then they come in here and for the first time in their lives they are the hunted in a zoo with real actual nothing to lose hard hard men. For the first time they get to know what its like to have a predator walking behind you and a group of them walking towards you."

Take care my friend
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Keith : 4/21/2017 6:32 pm : link

Oklahoma RB Joe Mixon reached a civil settlement with the woman he punched in 2014.

Amelia Molitor filed a lawsuit against Mixon after he struck her during an altercation in July of 2014. In a joint statement, both parties announced that the lawsuit has been "amicably resolved and dismissed." Mixon said he apologized to Molitor for his actions in a 1-on-1 meeting. "The way I reacted that night, that's not me," said Mixon. "That's not the way I was raised. I think she understands that." Mixon no longer has a lawsuit hanging over his head, but it's still unclear how NFL teams view him in the wake of this disturbing incident
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T-Bone : 4/21/2017 7:15 pm : link
In comment 13437911 Bill2 said:
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TBone. All good. I just thought that was the mis wording that got folks tangled up in what you were trying to say.

I especially liked your point about guidance to daughters and women. As girls appropriately are "allowed" to express themselves in sports and generally it is possible ( especially if prone to impulsive when out with friends) to mistake the positives of "gurl power" with the distinct difference in possible outcomes if a guy gets equally mouthy and prone to bravado.

I am somehow reminded of a guy I knew who worked in one of the Northeasts worse prisons for hardened cases. " These young guys make a mistake and go to far after years of being able to knock over little old ladies and or dominate store owners when with their group. They are used to being aggressors and living with defiant swagger. Then they come in here and for the first time in their lives they are the hunted in a zoo with real actual nothing to lose hard hard men. For the first time they get to know what its like to have a predator walking behind you and a group of them walking towards you."

Take care my friend


I believe you understand what I'm trying to say. All I'm trying to say is that this whole incident should be just as much a teaching moment for Moliter as it should be for Mixon. Only after hours of arguing have some begrudgingly agree with me that she deserves at least some blame when absolutely none was being given. I know. I've paid attention to the other Mixon threads but never said anything because, frankly, I've been too busy. I'm not sure I saw it pointed out once that although Mixon overreacted (big time) it should be noted that the woman put her hands on him first. That's not to imply anything more or less and she needs to understand that if you don't want to have some one put their hands on you, don't put your hands on them. That's not excusing or defending what Mixon did at all. I can't make that point clearer.

I'm hoping the recent settlement they reached brings some closure for both of them and they both learned a lesson from this incident.

Have a good weekend!
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ctc in ftmyers : 4/21/2017 7:47 pm : link
but that the kid screwed up.

T-bone I agree with you 100%. 2 wrongs don't make s right.

They were both wrong.

I chalk it up to society. I know I was brought up way different than a lot of kids back in the 50's/60's and today.

Some things never change.

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River : 4/21/2017 8:30 pm : link
In comment 13437919 Keith said:
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Oklahoma RB Joe Mixon reached a civil settlement with the woman he punched in 2014.

Amelia Molitor filed a lawsuit against Mixon after he struck her during an altercation in July of 2014. In a joint statement, both parties announced that the lawsuit has been "amicably resolved and dismissed." Mixon said he apologized to Molitor for his actions in a 1-on-1 meeting. "The way I reacted that night, that's not me," said Mixon. "That's not the way I was raised. I think she understands that." Mixon no longer has a lawsuit hanging over his head, but it's still unclear how NFL teams view him in the wake of this disturbing incident


Wow
I wonder how much that cost Jerry Jones?
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