thread. She should've kept her hands to herself. At no point did I condone him hitting her the way he did... but for whatever reason she assaulting him first seems to always be overlooked and I don't think that's fair at all.
That said, the possibility that it wasn't the first time he hit a girl/woman (which I believe) changes my personal view of him from a guy who's a dick... who overreacted by punching her the way he did in the college video... to now a contemptible human being and I also would like to not see on the Giants.
When someone that aggressive barges into a group of people what is the proper response if not to push that person? Nothing she did was inappropriate..
There are a few 'appropriate' responses.
- Leave the scene
- Ask for assistance with removing the person (preferably from another male)
- Call the authorities
If you don't think anything she did was 'inappropriate'... I'd say that's part of the problem. Keep your hands to yourself... no matter what sex you are.
All good things that are logical to say and do.. but put into a situation like hers the only response is to shove him away.. She was at the restaurant he has no right to approach her as he did.. If she walks away he will chase after her just like he already did.. The other guy was involved and how is it any different letting him do something vs the girl doing something.. Mixon is a thug and something bad would've happened either way.. Calling authorities would seem logical but in the heat of the moment 90% won't pick up the phone.. The first thing that needs to be done is to make him understand he can't be in the space he was in.. A little shove does the job..
To me its not even a girl thing.. He was looking for a fight and has no respect for others.. only a thug walks in so aggressively onto other people who are minding their own business..
herself and her friend after being approached, followed, and cornered. She didn't take the best approach but the one she did take certainly wasn't terribly threatening. The retaliation was absurd. That's really all anyone is trying to say, not sure how it can be twisted into something it isn't.
Well maybe it wasn't 'threatening' to you UConn but maybe it was to Mixon and he didn't take the best approach either.
And I still disagree with you saying he 'cornered' them. But whatever...
And sorry... that's not 'all anyone is trying to say'. Nothing has been twisted on my part. All I've been consistently saying is that the girl should've kept her hands to herself first and that seems to bother a bunch of folks for whatever reason. He just slapped her back... would that have been ok? Or what if he just pushed her really hard into the tables? Would that have been ok? I'm just trying to understand from you guys' viewpoints what reaction from Mixon would've been suitable because it seems that most of you are saying that her assault was ok because it was 'just a slap' but his wasn't because it was a punch. So, using that logic... if Mixon had slapped her back, he would be ok in your eyes? Not in mine. But then... it's not ok in my mind that she slapped him first either.
you are not allowed to defend yourself unless you feel threatened.. She felt threatened when he came over to her the way he did.. He never felt threatened.. Don't use this bullshit eye for eye excuse to hit her when he was never threatened..
to hit him over the head with a chair, or stab him, or shoot him, but she slapped him.
I don't condone the "slap" but it was just a slap. Doesn't mean i'm raising my daughter to do that, which is a giant leap of an argument to make. Not sure why you feel the need to inject that comment. Thinking a girl that slapped a guy shouldn't have her face broken in retaliation doesn't mean me/we are raising our kids to hit each other.
This is what I mean, Keith, when I say some of you are really reaching in trying to excuse or belittle what she did. If Mixon didn't hit her back... and pressed charges against her... do you think the judge would've said 'Well... it was just a slap... so no penalty!'. I don't think so and if he/she did I would've had a major problem with that.
UConn - I felt the need to interject it because of statements like the one you just made. She doesn't have a right to 'just slap' him. Please explain to me why you think she did because you seem to keep excusing her assault on him for some reason.
I never once said she had a right to do it, why do you keep saying it?
to hit him over the head with a chair, or stab him, or shoot him, but she slapped him.
I don't condone the "slap" but it was just a slap. Doesn't mean i'm raising my daughter to do that, which is a giant leap of an argument to make. Not sure why you feel the need to inject that comment. Thinking a girl that slapped a guy shouldn't have her face broken in retaliation doesn't mean me/we are raising our kids to hit each other.
This is what I mean, Keith, when I say some of you are really reaching in trying to excuse or belittle what she did. If Mixon didn't hit her back... and pressed charges against her... do you think the judge would've said 'Well... it was just a slap... so no penalty!'. I don't think so and if he/she did I would've had a major problem with that.
UConn - I felt the need to interject it because of statements like the one you just made. She doesn't have a right to 'just slap' him. Please explain to me why you think she did because you seem to keep excusing her assault on him for some reason.
Judge would say no penalty - self Defense because he obviously threatened her.. Hitting someone is legal for self-defense purposes.. He was never threatened by her.. There is no law that says if someone hits you, you are allowed to hit back..
you are not allowed to defend yourself unless you feel threatened.. She felt threatened when he came over to her the way he did.. He never felt threatened.. Don't use this bullshit eye for eye excuse to hit her when he was never threatened..
She sure didn't seem 'threatened' to me when she attacked him. Most people when threatened try to avoid the confrontation... she started it. Basically right now you're making shit up. You don't know how she (or him for that matter) felt.
to hit him over the head with a chair, or stab him, or shoot him, but she slapped him.
I don't condone the "slap" but it was just a slap. Doesn't mean i'm raising my daughter to do that, which is a giant leap of an argument to make. Not sure why you feel the need to inject that comment. Thinking a girl that slapped a guy shouldn't have her face broken in retaliation doesn't mean me/we are raising our kids to hit each other.
This is what I mean, Keith, when I say some of you are really reaching in trying to excuse or belittle what she did. If Mixon didn't hit her back... and pressed charges against her... do you think the judge would've said 'Well... it was just a slap... so no penalty!'. I don't think so and if he/she did I would've had a major problem with that.
UConn - I felt the need to interject it because of statements like the one you just made. She doesn't have a right to 'just slap' him. Please explain to me why you think she did because you seem to keep excusing her assault on him for some reason.
I never once said she had a right to do it, why do you keep saying it?
Because of when you said she was defending her friend. That seemed to be an implication that you thought she had a right to assault him because of what he said to her friend. I disagree with that. What's the saying... Sticks and stones?
comes off like none of this would have ever happened if she didn't slap him. Maybe that's true, maybe it isn't.
She didn't handle it correctly but he made an even worse mistake. I think I've said that about 20 times now between last week and this week.
Yeah well... excuse me for thinking that if she didn't hit him first he wouldn't have hit her. Maybe he would've hit her anyway for no reason... but, like you said, maybe not. If he has a history of hitting on women... who knows? I see nothing wrong with the statement that she should've have hit him first but for some reason some of you do. Why? I have no idea.
I have absolutely no disagreement with your last paragraph.
to hit him over the head with a chair, or stab him, or shoot him, but she slapped him.
I don't condone the "slap" but it was just a slap. Doesn't mean i'm raising my daughter to do that, which is a giant leap of an argument to make. Not sure why you feel the need to inject that comment. Thinking a girl that slapped a guy shouldn't have her face broken in retaliation doesn't mean me/we are raising our kids to hit each other.
This is what I mean, Keith, when I say some of you are really reaching in trying to excuse or belittle what she did. If Mixon didn't hit her back... and pressed charges against her... do you think the judge would've said 'Well... it was just a slap... so no penalty!'. I don't think so and if he/she did I would've had a major problem with that.
UConn - I felt the need to interject it because of statements like the one you just made. She doesn't have a right to 'just slap' him. Please explain to me why you think she did because you seem to keep excusing her assault on him for some reason.
Judge would say no penalty - self Defense because he obviously threatened her.. Hitting someone is legal for self-defense purposes.. He was never threatened by her.. There is no law that says if someone hits you, you are allowed to hit back..
You and a Jewish friend are on your way to have a bite to eat when you come across the gay version of Mike Tyson along the way. He tells you you you look mighty fine and wouldn't you like to spend some time with him back at his place. You politely decline and continue on your way to the restaurant with your friend.
But Gay Mike follows you and your friend into the restaurant and becomes more aggressive with his invitations. Your friend asks him to leave you alone and he calls your friend a dirty kike. You know damn well that Gay Mike can kick the living shit out of you, but at this point you get up from your seat and give him a push. Is that you being inappropriate or is that you showing some courage? Standing up for a friend who was standing up for you. And then Gay Mike spits in your face. What does T-Bone do then?
Sure, discretion is the better part of valor, but I give the young woman credit for her courage.
You and a Jewish friend are on your way to have a bite to eat when you come across the gay version of Mike Tyson along the way. He tells you you you look mighty fine and wouldn't you like to spend some time with him back at his place. You politely decline and continue on your way to the restaurant with your friend.
But Gay Mike follows you and your friend into the restaurant and becomes more aggressive with his invitations. Your friend asks him to leave you alone and he calls your friend a dirty kike. You know damn well that Gay Mike can kick the living shit out of you, but at this point you get up from your seat and give him a push. Is that you being inappropriate or is that you showing some courage? Standing up for a friend who was standing up for you. And then Gay Mike spits in your face. What does T-Bone do then?
Sure, discretion is the better part of valor, but I give the young woman credit for her courage.
Milton - Like I said, I'm not really interested in getting into a bunch of 'what ifs' because it can go on forever with 'what ifs' being given for both sides. And honestly, your 'what if' doesn't really work because we're not talking about two guys fighting (even if one is gay) but a woman hitting a man and vice versa.
And honestly, your 'what if' doesn't really work because we're not talking about two guys fighting (even if one is gay) but a woman hitting a man and vice versa.
We're talking about how someone deals with repeated sexual advances from another person who is bigger and stronger than them and can collapse their face with one punch. The example I gave was the only way I could think of to put you in her shoes.
The fact that one is a woman and the other a man isn't as important as the fact that one is immensely stronger than the other person.
and I would think that me saying "what she did isn't right" over and over and over again would suffice.
Yeah me too... and yet it appears that you have a problem with me saying it though.
All good man, we don't really see eye to eye on this so I'll leave it at that.
The funny thing is UConn, I think we see eye to eye on this more than you think. I agree with you 100% that Mixon appears to be an asshole of the highest order (particularly if he's a repeat offender)... I also agree with you 100% that men shouldn't hit women (as I've repeatedly said on this site since I started coming here almost 20 years ago)... where you seem to have a problem with me is me simply stating that she should've kept her hands to herself and I, for the life of me, can't figure out why that notion seems to bother you and others. That was never said to be meant as an excuse for Mixon hitting that young lady like that but yet that's how some of you are taking it for some reason.
I haven't read a lot about the details of the incident on my own, I'm going mostly by what's been said on this thread about it. From my perspective, the video says enough about him that I don't need more details. But if the details are as described here, I think the young woman showed courage. It may be stupid courage, but it was courage just the same.
And honestly, your 'what if' doesn't really work because we're not talking about two guys fighting (even if one is gay) but a woman hitting a man and vice versa.
We're talking about how someone deals with repeated sexual advances from another person who is bigger and stronger than them and can collapse their face with one punch. The example I gave was the only way I could think of to put you in her shoes.
The fact that one is a woman and the other a man isn't as important as the fact that one is immensely stronger than the other person.
That last sentence is your opinion first off. I don't care how big or powerful the woman is, you don't hit a woman.
But ok... let's roll with your 'what if'... so if the girl who got hit was a bodybuilder who could've snapped Mixon in half... then it would've been ok for Mixon to punch her the way he did? Sorry... not in my book.
I haven't read a lot about the details of the incident on my own, I'm going mostly by what's been said on this thread about it. From my perspective, the video says enough about him that I don't need more details. But if the details are as described here, I think the young woman showed courage. It may be stupid courage, but it was courage just the same.
Oh... she's a 'ryda' in my book! She's the kind of woman that I'd want by my side because I know she'll throw down with anyone if she has to. Her courage isn't in question... her judgement is. Courage is what earned her a broken jaw unfortunately... which leads me back to my first point... she keeps her hands to herself, she doesn't suffer a broken jaw (one would think). Maybe he still hits her for whatever reason... but I'd tend to think the chances of that go down dramatically if she doesn't attack him first.
And the court transcripts he spit on her. This escalated the situation. In this whole matter he is the aggressor, at least until he runs out of there like a coward. He went in there looking for a conflict to inflict pain and hurt.
He is very lucky she doesn't have a vengeful family.
The fact that one is a woman and the other a man isn't as important as the fact that one is immensely stronger than the other person.
That last sentence is your opinion first off. I don't care how big or powerful the woman is, you don't hit a woman.
But ok... let's roll with your 'what if'... so if the girl who got hit was a bodybuilder who could've snapped Mixon in half... then it would've been ok for Mixon to punch her the way he did? Sorry... not in my book.
My point wasn't about him, it was about your issue with her actions. Forget about him.
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you are not allowed to defend yourself unless you feel threatened.. She felt threatened when he came over to her the way he did.. He never felt threatened.. Don't use this bullshit eye for eye excuse to hit her when he was never threatened..
She sure didn't seem 'threatened' to me when she attacked him. Most people when threatened try to avoid the confrontation... she started it. Basically right now you're making shit up. You don't know how she (or him for that matter) felt.
I guess I put myself in both of their situation and only in one of those situations would I have felt threatened.. When I am at a table in a restaurant and another person aggressively walks over and starts talking shit to my friend.. on the other hand if I am Mixon and at that point a girl tried to push me back, I am not threatened.. Thats how I feel a normal human being would feel hence my response..
And the court transcripts he spit on her. This escalated the situation. In this whole matter he is the aggressor, at least until he runs out of there like a coward. He went in there looking for a conflict to inflict pain and hurt.
He is very lucky she doesn't have a vengeful family.
Funny... while Googling to find out if he admitted to spitting on her I found the below website. Being honest, I didn't think he spat on her because I never saw it in the video... but after finding the linked website below and reading the article first and reading in it they state that he spat on her so I viewed the video again and it appears he does spit on her after the first push but before the slap (this after he seemingly lunges at her to scare her off).
What I also didn't notice in the video was this:
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Molitor (at 0:24) motions Mixon to her table as he enters the deli and he walks over.
... and if you look at the video it's true... she does motion him over to her table. That kind of kills the whole 'he cornered them' and 'he went in there looking for a fight' narrative to me. He actually also attempts to walk away from the table just before the girl started pushing him.
So maybe it would've been in her best interest to not only invite him over to their table (since, supposedly, she didn't want anything to do with him) but also to let him walk away when he tried to?
Again... still not defending him punching her in the face. But the narrative that he was just 'looking for a fight' and therefore 'stalked' and 'cornered' this young lady appears to be false. Mixon article - ( New Window )
The fact that one is a woman and the other a man isn't as important as the fact that one is immensely stronger than the other person.
That last sentence is your opinion first off. I don't care how big or powerful the woman is, you don't hit a woman.
But ok... let's roll with your 'what if'... so if the girl who got hit was a bodybuilder who could've snapped Mixon in half... then it would've been ok for Mixon to punch her the way he did? Sorry... not in my book.
My point wasn't about him, it was about your issue with her actions. Forget about him.
I never said I had an issue with her actions. I actually find them to be admirable and, like I said, she's the kind of woman I wouldn't mind having by my side in a street fight.
That doesn't mean that I think it was ok for her to put her hands on him first though.
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you are not allowed to defend yourself unless you feel threatened.. She felt threatened when he came over to her the way he did.. He never felt threatened.. Don't use this bullshit eye for eye excuse to hit her when he was never threatened..
She sure didn't seem 'threatened' to me when she attacked him. Most people when threatened try to avoid the confrontation... she started it. Basically right now you're making shit up. You don't know how she (or him for that matter) felt.
I guess I put myself in both of their situation and only in one of those situations would I have felt threatened.. When I am at a table in a restaurant and another person aggressively walks over and starts talking shit to my friend.. on the other hand if I am Mixon and at that point a girl tried to push me back, I am not threatened.. Thats how I feel a normal human being would feel hence my response..
And see the link and post I just put up.
Still think he 'aggresively walks over and starts talking shit' after she invited him over to the table?
I never said I had an issue with her actions. I actually find them to be admirable and, like I said, she's the kind of woman I wouldn't mind having by my side in a street fight.
That doesn't mean that I think it was ok for her to put her hands on him first though.
This is where I get confused, because that seems like a contradiction. But I'm sure you're quite tired of all this, so let's just chalk it up to semantics and leave it at that.
I never said I had an issue with her actions. I actually find them to be admirable and, like I said, she's the kind of woman I wouldn't mind having by my side in a street fight.
That doesn't mean that I think it was ok for her to put her hands on him first though.
This is where I get confused, because that seems like a contradiction. But I'm sure you're quite tired of all this, so let's just chalk it up to semantics and leave it at that.
Nah... it's cool. It's been a bit slower than usual today so I have the time to waste.
I can see how that may seem contradictory but let me try to explain. When I say she's the kind of woman I'd want on my side in a street fight I mean that... in agreeing with what you said about her courage... I like that she's not afraid of tussling with someone bigger than her. She's no punk obviously.
At the same time, though, that doesn't mean that she has the right to hit anyone she pleases (unless it's in self defense). Her not being a punk has nothing to do with her initiating the hitting in the first place. If she chooses to hit someone first, then she also has chosen to face whatever consequences her hitting may bring. This time it was a broken jaw.
I never said I had an issue with her actions. I actually find them to be admirable and, like I said, she's the kind of woman I wouldn't mind having by my side in a street fight.
That doesn't mean that I think it was ok for her to put her hands on him first though.
This is where I get confused, because that seems like a contradiction. But I'm sure you're quite tired of all this, so let's just chalk it up to semantics and leave it at that.
Nah... it's cool. It's been a bit slower than usual today so I have the time to waste.
I can see how that may seem contradictory but let me try to explain. When I say she's the kind of woman I'd want on my side in a street fight I mean that... in agreeing with what you said about her courage... I like that she's not afraid of tussling with someone bigger than her. She's no punk obviously.
At the same time, though, that doesn't mean that she has the right to hit anyone she pleases (unless it's in self defense). Her not being a punk has nothing to do with her initiating the hitting in the first place. If she chooses to hit someone first, then she also has chosen to face whatever consequences her hitting may bring. This time it was a broken jaw.
If Mixon pulled out a gun and killed her, would that also be a consequence she must face?
Someone needs to sit Mixon down and explain appropriate and proportional response.
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you are not allowed to defend yourself unless you feel threatened.. She felt threatened when he came over to her the way he did.. He never felt threatened.. Don't use this bullshit eye for eye excuse to hit her when he was never threatened..
She sure didn't seem 'threatened' to me when she attacked him. Most people when threatened try to avoid the confrontation... she started it. Basically right now you're making shit up. You don't know how she (or him for that matter) felt.
I guess I put myself in both of their situation and only in one of those situations would I have felt threatened.. When I am at a table in a restaurant and another person aggressively walks over and starts talking shit to my friend.. on the other hand if I am Mixon and at that point a girl tried to push me back, I am not threatened.. Thats how I feel a normal human being would feel hence my response..
And see the link and post I just put up.
Still think he 'aggresively walks over and starts talking shit' after she invited him over to the table?
Like I said before, you're making shit up.
I must have not seen the entire video like the one in your link.. You are right.. she isn't blameless either but that doesn't mean he is right.. There was no need for him to do what he did.. Luckily I doubt he is on Giants board..
I never said I had an issue with her actions. I actually find them to be admirable and, like I said, she's the kind of woman I wouldn't mind having by my side in a street fight.
That doesn't mean that I think it was ok for her to put her hands on him first though.
This is where I get confused, because that seems like a contradiction. But I'm sure you're quite tired of all this, so let's just chalk it up to semantics and leave it at that.
Nah... it's cool. It's been a bit slower than usual today so I have the time to waste.
I can see how that may seem contradictory but let me try to explain. When I say she's the kind of woman I'd want on my side in a street fight I mean that... in agreeing with what you said about her courage... I like that she's not afraid of tussling with someone bigger than her. She's no punk obviously.
At the same time, though, that doesn't mean that she has the right to hit anyone she pleases (unless it's in self defense). Her not being a punk has nothing to do with her initiating the hitting in the first place. If she chooses to hit someone first, then she also has chosen to face whatever consequences her hitting may bring. This time it was a broken jaw.
If Mixon pulled out a gun and killed her, would that also be a consequence she must face?
Someone needs to sit Mixon down and explain appropriate and proportional response.
Here we go with the 'ifs' again.
But to answer your question... yes.
I agree with your second sentence.
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you are not allowed to defend yourself unless you feel threatened.. She felt threatened when he came over to her the way he did.. He never felt threatened.. Don't use this bullshit eye for eye excuse to hit her when he was never threatened..
She sure didn't seem 'threatened' to me when she attacked him. Most people when threatened try to avoid the confrontation... she started it. Basically right now you're making shit up. You don't know how she (or him for that matter) felt.
I guess I put myself in both of their situation and only in one of those situations would I have felt threatened.. When I am at a table in a restaurant and another person aggressively walks over and starts talking shit to my friend.. on the other hand if I am Mixon and at that point a girl tried to push me back, I am not threatened.. Thats how I feel a normal human being would feel hence my response..
And see the link and post I just put up.
Still think he 'aggresively walks over and starts talking shit' after she invited him over to the table?
Like I said before, you're making shit up.
I must have not seen the entire video like the one in your link.. You are right.. she isn't blameless either but that doesn't mean he is right.. There was no need for him to do what he did.. Luckily I doubt he is on Giants board..
And I never said that he was right. I never even said that she was 'more wrong' than him. All I said, was that she should've kept her hands to herself and that's brought all types of posters calling my own character into question when very few of the posters who I've been going back and forth about know me.
But whatever... good thing I could care less what but a few people on this site think of me.
At the same time, though, that doesn't mean that she has the right to hit anyone she pleases (unless it's in self defense). Her not being a punk has nothing to do with her initiating the hitting in the first place. If she chooses to hit someone first, then she also has chosen to face whatever consequences her hitting may bring. This time it was a broken jaw.
If Mixon pulled out a gun and killed her, would that also be a consequence she must face?
Someone needs to sit Mixon down and explain appropriate and proportional response.
Here we go with the 'ifs' again.
But to answer your question... yes.
I agree with your second sentence.
It was your 'if'.
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If she chooses to hit someone first, then she also has chosen to face whatever consequences her hitting may bring.
I'm just testing the limit to 'whatever consequences'. Are there any?
At the same time, though, that doesn't mean that she has the right to hit anyone she pleases (unless it's in self defense). Her not being a punk has nothing to do with her initiating the hitting in the first place. If she chooses to hit someone first, then she also has chosen to face whatever consequences her hitting may bring. This time it was a broken jaw.
If Mixon pulled out a gun and killed her, would that also be a consequence she must face?
Someone needs to sit Mixon down and explain appropriate and proportional response.
Here we go with the 'ifs' again.
But to answer your question... yes.
I agree with your second sentence.
It was your 'if'.
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If she chooses to hit someone first, then she also has chosen to face whatever consequences her hitting may bring.
I'm just testing the limit to 'whatever consequences'. Are there any?
I'm not sure of the point of your post?
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you are not allowed to defend yourself unless you feel threatened.. She felt threatened when he came over to her the way he did.. He never felt threatened.. Don't use this bullshit eye for eye excuse to hit her when he was never threatened..
She sure didn't seem 'threatened' to me when she attacked him. Most people when threatened try to avoid the confrontation... she started it. Basically right now you're making shit up. You don't know how she (or him for that matter) felt.
I guess I put myself in both of their situation and only in one of those situations would I have felt threatened.. When I am at a table in a restaurant and another person aggressively walks over and starts talking shit to my friend.. on the other hand if I am Mixon and at that point a girl tried to push me back, I am not threatened.. Thats how I feel a normal human being would feel hence my response..
And see the link and post I just put up.
Still think he 'aggresively walks over and starts talking shit' after she invited him over to the table?
Like I said before, you're making shit up.
I must have not seen the entire video like the one in your link.. You are right.. she isn't blameless either but that doesn't mean he is right.. There was no need for him to do what he did.. Luckily I doubt he is on Giants board..
And I never said that he was right. I never even said that she was 'more wrong' than him. All I said, was that she should've kept her hands to herself and that's brought all types of posters calling my own character into question when very few of the posters who I've been going back and forth about know me.
But whatever... good thing I could care less what but a few people on this site think of me.
I admit when I am wrong and I was wrong.. you were right..
but he is just as blame worthy now as he was before.. its just that she is not blameless..
That same link the father is saying it never happened and Mixon and the girl are still friends.
I didn't see that in the link. Where does it say that?
They moved it lower, but here is where it says it was recanted.
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“I have recently learned that a comment I made about Joe Mixon on social media a few years ago is now receiving a lot of attention. I want to explain that comment and clarify that I do not believe Joe ever did anything to hurt my daughter,” Hernandez wrote.
“My daughter went to Freedom High School with Joe, and they have been friends for much of their lives. Once, when they were in school together, my daughter had a minor disagreement with some of her classmates that got blown out of proportion. Like any father would, I reacted emotionally. Unfortunately, I did so before I had all the facts. Now, having talked to my daughter and investigated the whole story, I realize that I was mistaken about Joe’s involvement. I definitely overreacted, and I regret that my words might have given some people the wrong impression about Joe. I know that Joe did not hurt my daughter, did not intend to, and would not do so.
“Joe and my daughter are still good friends. Joe is a great kid with a bright future in front of him, and he is welcome in my home anytime.
“My family and I value our privacy. I hope that my statement puts this matter to rest. We will not respond to further media inquiries about this.”
At the same time, though, that doesn't mean that she has the right to hit anyone she pleases (unless it's in self defense). Her not being a punk has nothing to do with her initiating the hitting in the first place. If she chooses to hit someone first, then she also has chosen to face whatever consequences her hitting may bring. This time it was a broken jaw.
If Mixon pulled out a gun and killed her, would that also be a consequence she must face?
Someone needs to sit Mixon down and explain appropriate and proportional response.
Here we go with the 'ifs' again.
But to answer your question... yes.
I agree with your second sentence.
It was your 'if'.
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If she chooses to hit someone first, then she also has chosen to face whatever consequences her hitting may bring.
I'm just testing the limit to 'whatever consequences'. Are there any?
I'm not sure of the point of your post?
Stating that she must face the consequences indicates that she has no cause to be surprised for what transpired, that somehow the reaction from Mixon was justified by her action. While this in a small part may be true, it in no way, in my opinion, justifies how he responded.
So I'm asking you what response from Mixon would have been appropriate and justified in your opinion. Your statement indicated there was none.
Cool. Don't disagree with your last sentence either.
Moon - I don't get it. Although I liked Seinfeld, I wouldn't say I loved it and know what's going on in that pic. Could you elaborate please?
Hey Boneman, it's from an episode where they try to figure out which New York Met spit on Kramer, as if they are dissecting the Zapruder film of JFK's assassination. Link to video below. Link - ( New Window )
That same link the father is saying it never happened and Mixon and the girl are still friends.
I didn't see that in the link. Where does it say that?
They moved it lower, but here is where it says it was recanted.
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“I have recently learned that a comment I made about Joe Mixon on social media a few years ago is now receiving a lot of attention. I want to explain that comment and clarify that I do not believe Joe ever did anything to hurt my daughter,” Hernandez wrote.
“My daughter went to Freedom High School with Joe, and they have been friends for much of their lives. Once, when they were in school together, my daughter had a minor disagreement with some of her classmates that got blown out of proportion. Like any father would, I reacted emotionally. Unfortunately, I did so before I had all the facts. Now, having talked to my daughter and investigated the whole story, I realize that I was mistaken about Joe’s involvement. I definitely overreacted, and I regret that my words might have given some people the wrong impression about Joe. I know that Joe did not hurt my daughter, did not intend to, and would not do so.
“Joe and my daughter are still good friends. Joe is a great kid with a bright future in front of him, and he is welcome in my home anytime.
“My family and I value our privacy. I hope that my statement puts this matter to rest. We will not respond to further media inquiries about this.”
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/04/19/high-school-allegation-against-joe-mixon-was-recanted/ - ( New Window )
Wow. Thanks for that Sgrcts! Yeah... I never saw that part.
Look... I'll just leave it at this... I personally wouldn't take Mixon off my board based on the incident at the deli. Although what he did was very bad and very wrong, it wasn't like he just hauled off and hit the girl for no reason (if he had I'd feel completely different about this). BUT, if he has any kind of history with abuse towards women, then I hope he never wears a Giants uniform.
At the same time, though, that doesn't mean that she has the right to hit anyone she pleases (unless it's in self defense). Her not being a punk has nothing to do with her initiating the hitting in the first place. If she chooses to hit someone first, then she also has chosen to face whatever consequences her hitting may bring. This time it was a broken jaw.
If Mixon pulled out a gun and killed her, would that also be a consequence she must face?
Someone needs to sit Mixon down and explain appropriate and proportional response.
Here we go with the 'ifs' again.
But to answer your question... yes.
I agree with your second sentence.
It was your 'if'.
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If she chooses to hit someone first, then she also has chosen to face whatever consequences her hitting may bring.
I'm just testing the limit to 'whatever consequences'. Are there any?
I'm not sure of the point of your post?
Stating that she must face the consequences indicates that she has no cause to be surprised for what transpired, that somehow the reaction from Mixon was justified by her action. While this in a small part may be true, it in no way, in my opinion, justifies how he responded.
So I'm asking you what response from Mixon would have been appropriate and justified in your opinion. Your statement indicated there was none.
You're changing what I said.
I never said she 'must' face consequences. I said she has chosen to face whatever consequences her actions may cause... as well we all must do no matter what actions we take.
thinking twice about it. What kind of person hits a woman like that? Shes half his size and half slapped him(that's a total of 1/4 of a slap). Even if that was his only moment in his life when something like that happened, it's enough for me. What kind of person would full out punch a girl in the face??? Tells me all I need to know.
At the same time, though, that doesn't mean that she has the right to hit anyone she pleases (unless it's in self defense). Her not being a punk has nothing to do with her initiating the hitting in the first place. If she chooses to hit someone first, then she also has chosen to face whatever consequences her hitting may bring. This time it was a broken jaw.
If Mixon pulled out a gun and killed her, would that also be a consequence she must face?
Someone needs to sit Mixon down and explain appropriate and proportional response.
Here we go with the 'ifs' again.
But to answer your question... yes.
I agree with your second sentence.
It was your 'if'.
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If she chooses to hit someone first, then she also has chosen to face whatever consequences her hitting may bring.
I'm just testing the limit to 'whatever consequences'. Are there any?
I'm not sure of the point of your post?
Stating that she must face the consequences indicates that she has no cause to be surprised for what transpired, that somehow the reaction from Mixon was justified by her action. While this in a small part may be true, it in no way, in my opinion, justifies how he responded.
So I'm asking you what response from Mixon would have been appropriate and justified in your opinion. Your statement indicated there was none.
You're changing what I said.
I never said she 'must' face consequences. I said she has chosen to face whatever consequences her actions may cause... as well we all must do no matter what actions we take.
You disagree?
Is 'must' that much different than 'she has chosen'?
So to make it more palatable .....
Stating that she has chosen to face the consequences indicates that she has no cause to be surprised for what transpired, that somehow the reaction from Mixon was justified by her action. While this in a small part may be true, it in no way, in my opinion, justifies how he responded.
So I'm asking you what response from Mixon would have been appropriate and justified in your opinion. Your statement indicated there was none.
I do agree we must face consequences for our actions. If I run a red light I would not fight the ticket or the jump in insurance rates, but I would object if the police officer beat the shit out of me.
thinking twice about it. What kind of person hits a woman like that? Shes half his size and half slapped him(that's a total of 1/4 of a slap). Even if that was his only moment in his life when something like that happened, it's enough for me. What kind of person would full out punch a girl in the face??? Tells me all I need to know.
You're certainly entitled to feel that way and I completely understand.
Based on that one incident... if that was the only incident where he hit a woman... I'd given him another chance. If he'd hit her without any provocation though I'd feel more like you.
Is 'must' that much different than 'she has chosen'?
So to make it more palatable .....
Stating that she has chosen to face the consequences indicates that she has no cause to be surprised for what transpired, that somehow the reaction from Mixon was justified by her action. While this in a small part may be true, it in no way, in my opinion, justifies how he responded.
So I'm asking you what response from Mixon would have been appropriate and justified in your opinion. Your statement indicated there was none.
I do agree we must face consequences for our actions. If I run a red light I would not fight the ticket or the jump in insurance rates, but I would object if the police officer beat the shit out of me.
The Reply option was getting to be too long for me.
In my view, yes... there's a huge difference between 'must' and 'she has chosen'... at least in the context I'm using it.
I never have, nor am I now, saying that she MUST face some kind of consequence for pushing and then slapping Mixon. Ideally, he would've turned and CONTINUED walked away (as he was going to do before she assaulted him by the way). But he didn't. Whether she was surprised by this or not... at least to me... is irrelevant. I wouldn't be shocked to hear him say that he was surprised that she attacked him first. Was justified in attacking Mixon because he called her friend a gay slur?
myself hitting a woman. First off, there is no way she can hurt him, so we can start there. No reason for him to defend himself. There is clearly something inside of him that he thinks its ok to hit a woman. I can't envision any scenario outside of a woman having a weapon that can actually hurt me where I would lay my hands on her. None. There is no excuse, no get out of jail free card, nothing. He is a POS.
myself hitting a woman. First off, there is no way she can hurt him, so we can start there. No reason for him to defend himself. There is clearly something inside of him that he thinks its ok to hit a woman. I can't envision any scenario outside of a woman having a weapon that can actually hurt me where I would lay my hands on her. None. There is no excuse, no get out of jail free card, nothing. He is a POS.
As I said before, I can't envision myself hitting one either.
I disagree with you saying that there's no way she can hurt him though. It's very possible that she can... or even could've injured him. Likely? No. But possible? Definitely yes. I don't care how small you may be... keep your hands to yourself or else face whatever consequences come to you. That goes for male and females.
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thread. She should've kept her hands to herself. At no point did I condone him hitting her the way he did... but for whatever reason she assaulting him first seems to always be overlooked and I don't think that's fair at all.
That said, the possibility that it wasn't the first time he hit a girl/woman (which I believe) changes my personal view of him from a guy who's a dick... who overreacted by punching her the way he did in the college video... to now a contemptible human being and I also would like to not see on the Giants.
When someone that aggressive barges into a group of people what is the proper response if not to push that person? Nothing she did was inappropriate..
There are a few 'appropriate' responses.
- Leave the scene
- Ask for assistance with removing the person (preferably from another male)
- Call the authorities
If you don't think anything she did was 'inappropriate'... I'd say that's part of the problem. Keep your hands to yourself... no matter what sex you are.
All good things that are logical to say and do.. but put into a situation like hers the only response is to shove him away.. She was at the restaurant he has no right to approach her as he did.. If she walks away he will chase after her just like he already did.. The other guy was involved and how is it any different letting him do something vs the girl doing something.. Mixon is a thug and something bad would've happened either way.. Calling authorities would seem logical but in the heat of the moment 90% won't pick up the phone.. The first thing that needs to be done is to make him understand he can't be in the space he was in.. A little shove does the job..
To me its not even a girl thing.. He was looking for a fight and has no respect for others.. only a thug walks in so aggressively onto other people who are minding their own business..
Well maybe it wasn't 'threatening' to you UConn but maybe it was to Mixon and he didn't take the best approach either.
And I still disagree with you saying he 'cornered' them. But whatever...
And sorry... that's not 'all anyone is trying to say'. Nothing has been twisted on my part. All I've been consistently saying is that the girl should've kept her hands to herself first and that seems to bother a bunch of folks for whatever reason. He just slapped her back... would that have been ok? Or what if he just pushed her really hard into the tables? Would that have been ok? I'm just trying to understand from you guys' viewpoints what reaction from Mixon would've been suitable because it seems that most of you are saying that her assault was ok because it was 'just a slap' but his wasn't because it was a punch. So, using that logic... if Mixon had slapped her back, he would be ok in your eyes? Not in mine. But then... it's not ok in my mind that she slapped him first either.
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to hit him over the head with a chair, or stab him, or shoot him, but she slapped him.
I don't condone the "slap" but it was just a slap. Doesn't mean i'm raising my daughter to do that, which is a giant leap of an argument to make. Not sure why you feel the need to inject that comment. Thinking a girl that slapped a guy shouldn't have her face broken in retaliation doesn't mean me/we are raising our kids to hit each other.
This is what I mean, Keith, when I say some of you are really reaching in trying to excuse or belittle what she did. If Mixon didn't hit her back... and pressed charges against her... do you think the judge would've said 'Well... it was just a slap... so no penalty!'. I don't think so and if he/she did I would've had a major problem with that.
UConn - I felt the need to interject it because of statements like the one you just made. She doesn't have a right to 'just slap' him. Please explain to me why you think she did because you seem to keep excusing her assault on him for some reason.
I never once said she had a right to do it, why do you keep saying it?
She didn't handle it correctly but he made an even worse mistake. I think I've said that about 20 times now between last week and this week.
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to hit him over the head with a chair, or stab him, or shoot him, but she slapped him.
I don't condone the "slap" but it was just a slap. Doesn't mean i'm raising my daughter to do that, which is a giant leap of an argument to make. Not sure why you feel the need to inject that comment. Thinking a girl that slapped a guy shouldn't have her face broken in retaliation doesn't mean me/we are raising our kids to hit each other.
This is what I mean, Keith, when I say some of you are really reaching in trying to excuse or belittle what she did. If Mixon didn't hit her back... and pressed charges against her... do you think the judge would've said 'Well... it was just a slap... so no penalty!'. I don't think so and if he/she did I would've had a major problem with that.
UConn - I felt the need to interject it because of statements like the one you just made. She doesn't have a right to 'just slap' him. Please explain to me why you think she did because you seem to keep excusing her assault on him for some reason.
Judge would say no penalty - self Defense because he obviously threatened her.. Hitting someone is legal for self-defense purposes.. He was never threatened by her.. There is no law that says if someone hits you, you are allowed to hit back..
She sure didn't seem 'threatened' to me when she attacked him. Most people when threatened try to avoid the confrontation... she started it. Basically right now you're making shit up. You don't know how she (or him for that matter) felt.
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to hit him over the head with a chair, or stab him, or shoot him, but she slapped him.
I don't condone the "slap" but it was just a slap. Doesn't mean i'm raising my daughter to do that, which is a giant leap of an argument to make. Not sure why you feel the need to inject that comment. Thinking a girl that slapped a guy shouldn't have her face broken in retaliation doesn't mean me/we are raising our kids to hit each other.
This is what I mean, Keith, when I say some of you are really reaching in trying to excuse or belittle what she did. If Mixon didn't hit her back... and pressed charges against her... do you think the judge would've said 'Well... it was just a slap... so no penalty!'. I don't think so and if he/she did I would've had a major problem with that.
UConn - I felt the need to interject it because of statements like the one you just made. She doesn't have a right to 'just slap' him. Please explain to me why you think she did because you seem to keep excusing her assault on him for some reason.
I never once said she had a right to do it, why do you keep saying it?
Because of when you said she was defending her friend. That seemed to be an implication that you thought she had a right to assault him because of what he said to her friend. I disagree with that. What's the saying... Sticks and stones?
She didn't handle it correctly but he made an even worse mistake. I think I've said that about 20 times now between last week and this week.
Yeah well... excuse me for thinking that if she didn't hit him first he wouldn't have hit her. Maybe he would've hit her anyway for no reason... but, like you said, maybe not. If he has a history of hitting on women... who knows? I see nothing wrong with the statement that she should've have hit him first but for some reason some of you do. Why? I have no idea.
I have absolutely no disagreement with your last paragraph.
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to hit him over the head with a chair, or stab him, or shoot him, but she slapped him.
I don't condone the "slap" but it was just a slap. Doesn't mean i'm raising my daughter to do that, which is a giant leap of an argument to make. Not sure why you feel the need to inject that comment. Thinking a girl that slapped a guy shouldn't have her face broken in retaliation doesn't mean me/we are raising our kids to hit each other.
This is what I mean, Keith, when I say some of you are really reaching in trying to excuse or belittle what she did. If Mixon didn't hit her back... and pressed charges against her... do you think the judge would've said 'Well... it was just a slap... so no penalty!'. I don't think so and if he/she did I would've had a major problem with that.
UConn - I felt the need to interject it because of statements like the one you just made. She doesn't have a right to 'just slap' him. Please explain to me why you think she did because you seem to keep excusing her assault on him for some reason.
Judge would say no penalty - self Defense because he obviously threatened her.. Hitting someone is legal for self-defense purposes.. He was never threatened by her.. There is no law that says if someone hits you, you are allowed to hit back..
I'm sorry... when did he threaten her?
You're still making shit up.
You and a Jewish friend are on your way to have a bite to eat when you come across the gay version of Mike Tyson along the way. He tells you you you look mighty fine and wouldn't you like to spend some time with him back at his place. You politely decline and continue on your way to the restaurant with your friend.
But Gay Mike follows you and your friend into the restaurant and becomes more aggressive with his invitations. Your friend asks him to leave you alone and he calls your friend a dirty kike. You know damn well that Gay Mike can kick the living shit out of you, but at this point you get up from your seat and give him a push. Is that you being inappropriate or is that you showing some courage? Standing up for a friend who was standing up for you. And then Gay Mike spits in your face. What does T-Bone do then?
Sure, discretion is the better part of valor, but I give the young woman credit for her courage.
Yeah me too... and yet it appears that you have a problem with me saying it though.
You and a Jewish friend are on your way to have a bite to eat when you come across the gay version of Mike Tyson along the way. He tells you you you look mighty fine and wouldn't you like to spend some time with him back at his place. You politely decline and continue on your way to the restaurant with your friend.
But Gay Mike follows you and your friend into the restaurant and becomes more aggressive with his invitations. Your friend asks him to leave you alone and he calls your friend a dirty kike. You know damn well that Gay Mike can kick the living shit out of you, but at this point you get up from your seat and give him a push. Is that you being inappropriate or is that you showing some courage? Standing up for a friend who was standing up for you. And then Gay Mike spits in your face. What does T-Bone do then?
Sure, discretion is the better part of valor, but I give the young woman credit for her courage.
Milton - Like I said, I'm not really interested in getting into a bunch of 'what ifs' because it can go on forever with 'what ifs' being given for both sides. And honestly, your 'what if' doesn't really work because we're not talking about two guys fighting (even if one is gay) but a woman hitting a man and vice versa.
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and I would think that me saying "what she did isn't right" over and over and over again would suffice.
Yeah me too... and yet it appears that you have a problem with me saying it though.
All good man, we don't really see eye to eye on this so I'll leave it at that.
We're talking about how someone deals with repeated sexual advances from another person who is bigger and stronger than them and can collapse their face with one punch. The example I gave was the only way I could think of to put you in her shoes.
The fact that one is a woman and the other a man isn't as important as the fact that one is immensely stronger than the other person.
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and I would think that me saying "what she did isn't right" over and over and over again would suffice.
Yeah me too... and yet it appears that you have a problem with me saying it though.
All good man, we don't really see eye to eye on this so I'll leave it at that.
The funny thing is UConn, I think we see eye to eye on this more than you think. I agree with you 100% that Mixon appears to be an asshole of the highest order (particularly if he's a repeat offender)... I also agree with you 100% that men shouldn't hit women (as I've repeatedly said on this site since I started coming here almost 20 years ago)... where you seem to have a problem with me is me simply stating that she should've kept her hands to herself and I, for the life of me, can't figure out why that notion seems to bother you and others. That was never said to be meant as an excuse for Mixon hitting that young lady like that but yet that's how some of you are taking it for some reason.
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And honestly, your 'what if' doesn't really work because we're not talking about two guys fighting (even if one is gay) but a woman hitting a man and vice versa.
We're talking about how someone deals with repeated sexual advances from another person who is bigger and stronger than them and can collapse their face with one punch. The example I gave was the only way I could think of to put you in her shoes.
The fact that one is a woman and the other a man isn't as important as the fact that one is immensely stronger than the other person.
That last sentence is your opinion first off. I don't care how big or powerful the woman is, you don't hit a woman.
But ok... let's roll with your 'what if'... so if the girl who got hit was a bodybuilder who could've snapped Mixon in half... then it would've been ok for Mixon to punch her the way he did? Sorry... not in my book.
Oh... she's a 'ryda' in my book! She's the kind of woman that I'd want by my side because I know she'll throw down with anyone if she has to. Her courage isn't in question... her judgement is. Courage is what earned her a broken jaw unfortunately... which leads me back to my first point... she keeps her hands to herself, she doesn't suffer a broken jaw (one would think). Maybe he still hits her for whatever reason... but I'd tend to think the chances of that go down dramatically if she doesn't attack him first.
He is very lucky she doesn't have a vengeful family.
The fact that one is a woman and the other a man isn't as important as the fact that one is immensely stronger than the other person.
That last sentence is your opinion first off. I don't care how big or powerful the woman is, you don't hit a woman.
But ok... let's roll with your 'what if'... so if the girl who got hit was a bodybuilder who could've snapped Mixon in half... then it would've been ok for Mixon to punch her the way he did? Sorry... not in my book.
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you are not allowed to defend yourself unless you feel threatened.. She felt threatened when he came over to her the way he did.. He never felt threatened.. Don't use this bullshit eye for eye excuse to hit her when he was never threatened..
She sure didn't seem 'threatened' to me when she attacked him. Most people when threatened try to avoid the confrontation... she started it. Basically right now you're making shit up. You don't know how she (or him for that matter) felt.
I guess I put myself in both of their situation and only in one of those situations would I have felt threatened.. When I am at a table in a restaurant and another person aggressively walks over and starts talking shit to my friend.. on the other hand if I am Mixon and at that point a girl tried to push me back, I am not threatened.. Thats how I feel a normal human being would feel hence my response..
He is very lucky she doesn't have a vengeful family.
Funny... while Googling to find out if he admitted to spitting on her I found the below website. Being honest, I didn't think he spat on her because I never saw it in the video... but after finding the linked website below and reading the article first and reading in it they state that he spat on her so I viewed the video again and it appears he does spit on her after the first push but before the slap (this after he seemingly lunges at her to scare her off).
What I also didn't notice in the video was this:
... and if you look at the video it's true... she does motion him over to her table. That kind of kills the whole 'he cornered them' and 'he went in there looking for a fight' narrative to me. He actually also attempts to walk away from the table just before the girl started pushing him.
So maybe it would've been in her best interest to not only invite him over to their table (since, supposedly, she didn't want anything to do with him) but also to let him walk away when he tried to?
Again... still not defending him punching her in the face. But the narrative that he was just 'looking for a fight' and therefore 'stalked' and 'cornered' this young lady appears to be false.
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The fact that one is a woman and the other a man isn't as important as the fact that one is immensely stronger than the other person.
That last sentence is your opinion first off. I don't care how big or powerful the woman is, you don't hit a woman.
But ok... let's roll with your 'what if'... so if the girl who got hit was a bodybuilder who could've snapped Mixon in half... then it would've been ok for Mixon to punch her the way he did? Sorry... not in my book.
My point wasn't about him, it was about your issue with her actions. Forget about him.
I never said I had an issue with her actions. I actually find them to be admirable and, like I said, she's the kind of woman I wouldn't mind having by my side in a street fight.
That doesn't mean that I think it was ok for her to put her hands on him first though.
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you are not allowed to defend yourself unless you feel threatened.. She felt threatened when he came over to her the way he did.. He never felt threatened.. Don't use this bullshit eye for eye excuse to hit her when he was never threatened..
She sure didn't seem 'threatened' to me when she attacked him. Most people when threatened try to avoid the confrontation... she started it. Basically right now you're making shit up. You don't know how she (or him for that matter) felt.
I guess I put myself in both of their situation and only in one of those situations would I have felt threatened.. When I am at a table in a restaurant and another person aggressively walks over and starts talking shit to my friend.. on the other hand if I am Mixon and at that point a girl tried to push me back, I am not threatened.. Thats how I feel a normal human being would feel hence my response..
And see the link and post I just put up.
Still think he 'aggresively walks over and starts talking shit' after she invited him over to the table?
Like I said before, you're making shit up.
I never said I had an issue with her actions. I actually find them to be admirable and, like I said, she's the kind of woman I wouldn't mind having by my side in a street fight.
That doesn't mean that I think it was ok for her to put her hands on him first though.
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I never said I had an issue with her actions. I actually find them to be admirable and, like I said, she's the kind of woman I wouldn't mind having by my side in a street fight.
That doesn't mean that I think it was ok for her to put her hands on him first though.
This is where I get confused, because that seems like a contradiction. But I'm sure you're quite tired of all this, so let's just chalk it up to semantics and leave it at that.
Nah... it's cool. It's been a bit slower than usual today so I have the time to waste.
I can see how that may seem contradictory but let me try to explain. When I say she's the kind of woman I'd want on my side in a street fight I mean that... in agreeing with what you said about her courage... I like that she's not afraid of tussling with someone bigger than her. She's no punk obviously.
At the same time, though, that doesn't mean that she has the right to hit anyone she pleases (unless it's in self defense). Her not being a punk has nothing to do with her initiating the hitting in the first place. If she chooses to hit someone first, then she also has chosen to face whatever consequences her hitting may bring. This time it was a broken jaw.
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I never said I had an issue with her actions. I actually find them to be admirable and, like I said, she's the kind of woman I wouldn't mind having by my side in a street fight.
That doesn't mean that I think it was ok for her to put her hands on him first though.
This is where I get confused, because that seems like a contradiction. But I'm sure you're quite tired of all this, so let's just chalk it up to semantics and leave it at that.
Nah... it's cool. It's been a bit slower than usual today so I have the time to waste.
I can see how that may seem contradictory but let me try to explain. When I say she's the kind of woman I'd want on my side in a street fight I mean that... in agreeing with what you said about her courage... I like that she's not afraid of tussling with someone bigger than her. She's no punk obviously.
At the same time, though, that doesn't mean that she has the right to hit anyone she pleases (unless it's in self defense). Her not being a punk has nothing to do with her initiating the hitting in the first place. If she chooses to hit someone first, then she also has chosen to face whatever consequences her hitting may bring. This time it was a broken jaw.
If Mixon pulled out a gun and killed her, would that also be a consequence she must face?
Someone needs to sit Mixon down and explain appropriate and proportional response.
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you are not allowed to defend yourself unless you feel threatened.. She felt threatened when he came over to her the way he did.. He never felt threatened.. Don't use this bullshit eye for eye excuse to hit her when he was never threatened..
She sure didn't seem 'threatened' to me when she attacked him. Most people when threatened try to avoid the confrontation... she started it. Basically right now you're making shit up. You don't know how she (or him for that matter) felt.
I guess I put myself in both of their situation and only in one of those situations would I have felt threatened.. When I am at a table in a restaurant and another person aggressively walks over and starts talking shit to my friend.. on the other hand if I am Mixon and at that point a girl tried to push me back, I am not threatened.. Thats how I feel a normal human being would feel hence my response..
And see the link and post I just put up.
Still think he 'aggresively walks over and starts talking shit' after she invited him over to the table?
Like I said before, you're making shit up.
I must have not seen the entire video like the one in your link.. You are right.. she isn't blameless either but that doesn't mean he is right.. There was no need for him to do what he did.. Luckily I doubt he is on Giants board..
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I never said I had an issue with her actions. I actually find them to be admirable and, like I said, she's the kind of woman I wouldn't mind having by my side in a street fight.
That doesn't mean that I think it was ok for her to put her hands on him first though.
This is where I get confused, because that seems like a contradiction. But I'm sure you're quite tired of all this, so let's just chalk it up to semantics and leave it at that.
Nah... it's cool. It's been a bit slower than usual today so I have the time to waste.
I can see how that may seem contradictory but let me try to explain. When I say she's the kind of woman I'd want on my side in a street fight I mean that... in agreeing with what you said about her courage... I like that she's not afraid of tussling with someone bigger than her. She's no punk obviously.
At the same time, though, that doesn't mean that she has the right to hit anyone she pleases (unless it's in self defense). Her not being a punk has nothing to do with her initiating the hitting in the first place. If she chooses to hit someone first, then she also has chosen to face whatever consequences her hitting may bring. This time it was a broken jaw.
If Mixon pulled out a gun and killed her, would that also be a consequence she must face?
Someone needs to sit Mixon down and explain appropriate and proportional response.
Here we go with the 'ifs' again.
But to answer your question... yes.
I agree with your second sentence.
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you are not allowed to defend yourself unless you feel threatened.. She felt threatened when he came over to her the way he did.. He never felt threatened.. Don't use this bullshit eye for eye excuse to hit her when he was never threatened..
She sure didn't seem 'threatened' to me when she attacked him. Most people when threatened try to avoid the confrontation... she started it. Basically right now you're making shit up. You don't know how she (or him for that matter) felt.
I guess I put myself in both of their situation and only in one of those situations would I have felt threatened.. When I am at a table in a restaurant and another person aggressively walks over and starts talking shit to my friend.. on the other hand if I am Mixon and at that point a girl tried to push me back, I am not threatened.. Thats how I feel a normal human being would feel hence my response..
And see the link and post I just put up.
Still think he 'aggresively walks over and starts talking shit' after she invited him over to the table?
Like I said before, you're making shit up.
I must have not seen the entire video like the one in your link.. You are right.. she isn't blameless either but that doesn't mean he is right.. There was no need for him to do what he did.. Luckily I doubt he is on Giants board..
And I never said that he was right. I never even said that she was 'more wrong' than him. All I said, was that she should've kept her hands to herself and that's brought all types of posters calling my own character into question when very few of the posters who I've been going back and forth about know me.
But whatever... good thing I could care less what but a few people on this site think of me.
At the same time, though, that doesn't mean that she has the right to hit anyone she pleases (unless it's in self defense). Her not being a punk has nothing to do with her initiating the hitting in the first place. If she chooses to hit someone first, then she also has chosen to face whatever consequences her hitting may bring. This time it was a broken jaw.
If Mixon pulled out a gun and killed her, would that also be a consequence she must face?
Someone needs to sit Mixon down and explain appropriate and proportional response.
Here we go with the 'ifs' again.
But to answer your question... yes.
I agree with your second sentence.
It was your 'if'.
I'm just testing the limit to 'whatever consequences'. Are there any?
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At the same time, though, that doesn't mean that she has the right to hit anyone she pleases (unless it's in self defense). Her not being a punk has nothing to do with her initiating the hitting in the first place. If she chooses to hit someone first, then she also has chosen to face whatever consequences her hitting may bring. This time it was a broken jaw.
If Mixon pulled out a gun and killed her, would that also be a consequence she must face?
Someone needs to sit Mixon down and explain appropriate and proportional response.
Here we go with the 'ifs' again.
But to answer your question... yes.
I agree with your second sentence.
It was your 'if'.
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If she chooses to hit someone first, then she also has chosen to face whatever consequences her hitting may bring.
I'm just testing the limit to 'whatever consequences'. Are there any?
I'm not sure of the point of your post?
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you are not allowed to defend yourself unless you feel threatened.. She felt threatened when he came over to her the way he did.. He never felt threatened.. Don't use this bullshit eye for eye excuse to hit her when he was never threatened..
She sure didn't seem 'threatened' to me when she attacked him. Most people when threatened try to avoid the confrontation... she started it. Basically right now you're making shit up. You don't know how she (or him for that matter) felt.
I guess I put myself in both of their situation and only in one of those situations would I have felt threatened.. When I am at a table in a restaurant and another person aggressively walks over and starts talking shit to my friend.. on the other hand if I am Mixon and at that point a girl tried to push me back, I am not threatened.. Thats how I feel a normal human being would feel hence my response..
And see the link and post I just put up.
Still think he 'aggresively walks over and starts talking shit' after she invited him over to the table?
Like I said before, you're making shit up.
I must have not seen the entire video like the one in your link.. You are right.. she isn't blameless either but that doesn't mean he is right.. There was no need for him to do what he did.. Luckily I doubt he is on Giants board..
And I never said that he was right. I never even said that she was 'more wrong' than him. All I said, was that she should've kept her hands to herself and that's brought all types of posters calling my own character into question when very few of the posters who I've been going back and forth about know me.
But whatever... good thing I could care less what but a few people on this site think of me.
I admit when I am wrong and I was wrong.. you were right..
but he is just as blame worthy now as he was before.. its just that she is not blameless..
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That same link the father is saying it never happened and Mixon and the girl are still friends.
I didn't see that in the link. Where does it say that?
They moved it lower, but here is where it says it was recanted.
“My daughter went to Freedom High School with Joe, and they have been friends for much of their lives. Once, when they were in school together, my daughter had a minor disagreement with some of her classmates that got blown out of proportion. Like any father would, I reacted emotionally. Unfortunately, I did so before I had all the facts. Now, having talked to my daughter and investigated the whole story, I realize that I was mistaken about Joe’s involvement. I definitely overreacted, and I regret that my words might have given some people the wrong impression about Joe. I know that Joe did not hurt my daughter, did not intend to, and would not do so.
“Joe and my daughter are still good friends. Joe is a great kid with a bright future in front of him, and he is welcome in my home anytime.
“My family and I value our privacy. I hope that my statement puts this matter to rest. We will not respond to further media inquiries about this.”
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/04/19/high-school-allegation-against-joe-mixon-was-recanted/ - ( New Window )
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At the same time, though, that doesn't mean that she has the right to hit anyone she pleases (unless it's in self defense). Her not being a punk has nothing to do with her initiating the hitting in the first place. If she chooses to hit someone first, then she also has chosen to face whatever consequences her hitting may bring. This time it was a broken jaw.
If Mixon pulled out a gun and killed her, would that also be a consequence she must face?
Someone needs to sit Mixon down and explain appropriate and proportional response.
Here we go with the 'ifs' again.
But to answer your question... yes.
I agree with your second sentence.
It was your 'if'.
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If she chooses to hit someone first, then she also has chosen to face whatever consequences her hitting may bring.
I'm just testing the limit to 'whatever consequences'. Are there any?
I'm not sure of the point of your post?
Stating that she must face the consequences indicates that she has no cause to be surprised for what transpired, that somehow the reaction from Mixon was justified by her action. While this in a small part may be true, it in no way, in my opinion, justifies how he responded.
So I'm asking you what response from Mixon would have been appropriate and justified in your opinion. Your statement indicated there was none.
Moon - I don't get it. Although I liked Seinfeld, I wouldn't say I loved it and know what's going on in that pic. Could you elaborate please?
Moon - I don't get it. Although I liked Seinfeld, I wouldn't say I loved it and know what's going on in that pic. Could you elaborate please?
Hey Boneman, it's from an episode where they try to figure out which New York Met spit on Kramer, as if they are dissecting the Zapruder film of JFK's assassination. Link to video below.
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That same link the father is saying it never happened and Mixon and the girl are still friends.
I didn't see that in the link. Where does it say that?
They moved it lower, but here is where it says it was recanted.
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“I have recently learned that a comment I made about Joe Mixon on social media a few years ago is now receiving a lot of attention. I want to explain that comment and clarify that I do not believe Joe ever did anything to hurt my daughter,” Hernandez wrote.
“My daughter went to Freedom High School with Joe, and they have been friends for much of their lives. Once, when they were in school together, my daughter had a minor disagreement with some of her classmates that got blown out of proportion. Like any father would, I reacted emotionally. Unfortunately, I did so before I had all the facts. Now, having talked to my daughter and investigated the whole story, I realize that I was mistaken about Joe’s involvement. I definitely overreacted, and I regret that my words might have given some people the wrong impression about Joe. I know that Joe did not hurt my daughter, did not intend to, and would not do so.
“Joe and my daughter are still good friends. Joe is a great kid with a bright future in front of him, and he is welcome in my home anytime.
“My family and I value our privacy. I hope that my statement puts this matter to rest. We will not respond to further media inquiries about this.”
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/04/19/high-school-allegation-against-joe-mixon-was-recanted/ - ( New Window )
Wow. Thanks for that Sgrcts! Yeah... I never saw that part.
Look... I'll just leave it at this... I personally wouldn't take Mixon off my board based on the incident at the deli. Although what he did was very bad and very wrong, it wasn't like he just hauled off and hit the girl for no reason (if he had I'd feel completely different about this). BUT, if he has any kind of history with abuse towards women, then I hope he never wears a Giants uniform.
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At the same time, though, that doesn't mean that she has the right to hit anyone she pleases (unless it's in self defense). Her not being a punk has nothing to do with her initiating the hitting in the first place. If she chooses to hit someone first, then she also has chosen to face whatever consequences her hitting may bring. This time it was a broken jaw.
If Mixon pulled out a gun and killed her, would that also be a consequence she must face?
Someone needs to sit Mixon down and explain appropriate and proportional response.
Here we go with the 'ifs' again.
But to answer your question... yes.
I agree with your second sentence.
It was your 'if'.
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If she chooses to hit someone first, then she also has chosen to face whatever consequences her hitting may bring.
I'm just testing the limit to 'whatever consequences'. Are there any?
I'm not sure of the point of your post?
Stating that she must face the consequences indicates that she has no cause to be surprised for what transpired, that somehow the reaction from Mixon was justified by her action. While this in a small part may be true, it in no way, in my opinion, justifies how he responded.
So I'm asking you what response from Mixon would have been appropriate and justified in your opinion. Your statement indicated there was none.
You're changing what I said.
I never said she 'must' face consequences. I said she has chosen to face whatever consequences her actions may cause... as well we all must do no matter what actions we take.
You disagree?
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At the same time, though, that doesn't mean that she has the right to hit anyone she pleases (unless it's in self defense). Her not being a punk has nothing to do with her initiating the hitting in the first place. If she chooses to hit someone first, then she also has chosen to face whatever consequences her hitting may bring. This time it was a broken jaw.
If Mixon pulled out a gun and killed her, would that also be a consequence she must face?
Someone needs to sit Mixon down and explain appropriate and proportional response.
Here we go with the 'ifs' again.
But to answer your question... yes.
I agree with your second sentence.
It was your 'if'.
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If she chooses to hit someone first, then she also has chosen to face whatever consequences her hitting may bring.
I'm just testing the limit to 'whatever consequences'. Are there any?
I'm not sure of the point of your post?
Stating that she must face the consequences indicates that she has no cause to be surprised for what transpired, that somehow the reaction from Mixon was justified by her action. While this in a small part may be true, it in no way, in my opinion, justifies how he responded.
So I'm asking you what response from Mixon would have been appropriate and justified in your opinion. Your statement indicated there was none.
You're changing what I said.
I never said she 'must' face consequences. I said she has chosen to face whatever consequences her actions may cause... as well we all must do no matter what actions we take.
You disagree?
Is 'must' that much different than 'she has chosen'?
So to make it more palatable .....
Stating that she has chosen to face the consequences indicates that she has no cause to be surprised for what transpired, that somehow the reaction from Mixon was justified by her action. While this in a small part may be true, it in no way, in my opinion, justifies how he responded.
So I'm asking you what response from Mixon would have been appropriate and justified in your opinion. Your statement indicated there was none.
I do agree we must face consequences for our actions. If I run a red light I would not fight the ticket or the jump in insurance rates, but I would object if the police officer beat the shit out of me.
You're certainly entitled to feel that way and I completely understand.
Based on that one incident... if that was the only incident where he hit a woman... I'd given him another chance. If he'd hit her without any provocation though I'd feel more like you.
So to make it more palatable .....
Stating that she has chosen to face the consequences indicates that she has no cause to be surprised for what transpired, that somehow the reaction from Mixon was justified by her action. While this in a small part may be true, it in no way, in my opinion, justifies how he responded.
So I'm asking you what response from Mixon would have been appropriate and justified in your opinion. Your statement indicated there was none.
I do agree we must face consequences for our actions. If I run a red light I would not fight the ticket or the jump in insurance rates, but I would object if the police officer beat the shit out of me.
The Reply option was getting to be too long for me.
In my view, yes... there's a huge difference between 'must' and 'she has chosen'... at least in the context I'm using it.
I never have, nor am I now, saying that she MUST face some kind of consequence for pushing and then slapping Mixon. Ideally, he would've turned and CONTINUED walked away (as he was going to do before she assaulted him by the way). But he didn't. Whether she was surprised by this or not... at least to me... is irrelevant. I wouldn't be shocked to hear him say that he was surprised that she attacked him first. Was justified in attacking Mixon because he called her friend a gay slur?
As I said before, I can't envision myself hitting one either.
I disagree with you saying that there's no way she can hurt him though. It's very possible that she can... or even could've injured him. Likely? No. But possible? Definitely yes. I don't care how small you may be... keep your hands to yourself or else face whatever consequences come to you. That goes for male and females.