myself hitting a woman. First off, there is no way she can hurt him, so we can start there. No reason for him to defend himself. There is clearly something inside of him that he thinks its ok to hit a woman. I can't envision any scenario outside of a woman having a weapon that can actually hurt me where I would lay my hands on her. None. There is no excuse, no get out of jail free card, nothing. He is a POS.
As I said before, I can't envision myself hitting one either.
I disagree with you saying that there's no way she can hurt him though. It's very possible that she can... or even could've injured him. Likely? No. But possible? Definitely yes. I don't care how small you may be... keep your hands to yourself or else face whatever consequences come to you. That goes for male and females.
Again with "consequences". I tried before to clarify this before but I must have expressed my self poorly so I'll try again. Do you mean legal or physical consequences?
If you would expect physical consequences to pushing someone it implies you at least in part feel that the reaction is justified. What level of a violent reaction would you say is justifiable to being pushed by a woman and you are a highly trained athlete?
myself hitting a woman. First off, there is no way she can hurt him, so we can start there. No reason for him to defend himself. There is clearly something inside of him that he thinks its ok to hit a woman. I can't envision any scenario outside of a woman having a weapon that can actually hurt me where I would lay my hands on her. None. There is no excuse, no get out of jail free card, nothing. He is a POS.
As I said before, I can't envision myself hitting one either.
I disagree with you saying that there's no way she can hurt him though. It's very possible that she can... or even could've injured him. Likely? No. But possible? Definitely yes. I don't care how small you may be... keep your hands to yourself or else face whatever consequences come to you. That goes for male and females.
Again with "consequences". I tried before to clarify this before but I must have expressed my self poorly so I'll try again. Do you mean legal or physical consequences?
If you would expect physical consequences to pushing someone it implies you at least in part feel that the reaction is justified. What level of a violent reaction would you say is justifiable to being pushed by a woman and you are a highly trained athlete?
Both. If you put your hands on another person, whether you are a man or a woman, you should be prepared to deal with either legal or physical (or maybe even both types of) consequences. When you put your hands on another person you don't know how that person is going to react... so why not just keep your hands to yourself? You seem to be implying that what she did was ok, while what he did was wrong. I'm saying they both were wrong and for whatever reason you have a problem with that statement.
For whatever reason, you're seemingly trying to make me say or imply that it's ok that Mixon punched that woman. I've not once said that and I never will. All I've been saying... from the very beginning... is that if Miss Molitor had kept her hands to herself (and let Mixon walk away, as he was beginning to do) she wouldn't have gotten punched. I think most people if they push someone expects to face some kind of consequences to doing that, don't you? Or do you think that women have a right to go around pushing and slapping anyone they damn well please and not face any consequences for their actions?
When is it ok to defend yourself? I thankfully have never had to, as an adult, but I definitely would in certain situations.
Don't women have that right too?
Of course they do.
But what does that have to do with this case? He didn't attack her, she attacked him. She wasn't trying to walk away and he stopped her and pushed her and slapped her... it was actually the reverse of that which occurred. This goes back to you saying he 'stalked' and 'cornered' her when it's been proven that neither of those were the case (she called him over to her table).
it pisses me off that not one man in that deli stood up and at least TRIED to beat Mixon's ass. A black guy (with a hat and black shirt on), who actually looks bigger than Mixon, gets up from the table after Mixon hits her and leaves and all I can think of is that if I was that dude... and just saw a girl I was hanging out with get clobbered like that... a fight's breaking out.
When is it ok to defend yourself? I thankfully have never had to, as an adult, but I definitely would in certain situations.
Don't women have that right too?
Of course they do.
But what does that have to do with this case? He didn't attack her, she attacked him. She wasn't trying to walk away and he stopped her and pushed her and slapped her... it was actually the reverse of that which occurred. This goes back to you saying he 'stalked' and 'cornered' her when it's been proven that neither of those were the case (she called him over to her table).
IMO she was attacked from the moment she was spit on. She was then threatened further by being stalked into the restaurant and was then approached when trying to ignore him/them. When's enough, enough?
I couldn't disagree with you more on this portion.
Although David in LA is right in that getting hit in the ear does hurt, I personally feel that Mixon was lying about that to make her attack on him seem worse than it actually was. But that's just my opinion.
When is it ok to defend yourself? I thankfully have never had to, as an adult, but I definitely would in certain situations.
Don't women have that right too?
Of course they do.
But what does that have to do with this case? He didn't attack her, she attacked him. She wasn't trying to walk away and he stopped her and pushed her and slapped her... it was actually the reverse of that which occurred. This goes back to you saying he 'stalked' and 'cornered' her when it's been proven that neither of those were the case (she called him over to her table).
IMO she was attacked from the moment she was spit on. She was then threatened further by being stalked into the restaurant and was then approached when trying to ignore him/them. When's enough, enough?
I couldn't disagree with you more on this portion.
It appears your opinion is factually wrong.
He allegedly spit on her AFTER she pushes him. You can see it in the video. He didn't spit on her and THEN followed her to the table (which she invited him to go to by the way, not sure how many times a stalker is invited to someone's table by the stalkee). Enough should've been enough if she walked back into the deli and DIDN'T signal for Mixon to come over to her table. But if she wasn't trying to talk to him, why did she motion for him to come over to her table (which you can clearly see she does in the video I linked to earlier in the thread)?
It's hilarious that both of your videos skip the part where she motions him over to her table.
#alternativefacts
Mixon's friend is at the table talking to her gay friend at the time. Mixon claims outside the Deli she was blowing smoke in his face and acting all crazy. When he was with his friends. Its on the police report. She also claims she went inside to get away from him because she was afraid of him. They were talking at the table to one of Mixons friends. It was a chance to make nice but turned out to be a chance for him to deck her.
RE: RE: RE: Here she is coming in away from him outside.
It's hilarious that both of your videos skip the part where she motions him over to her table.
#alternativefacts
Mixon's friend is at the table talking to her gay friend at the time. Mixon claims outside the Deli she was blowing smoke in his face and acting all crazy. When he was with his friends. Its on the police report. She also claims she went inside to get away from him because she was afraid of him. They were talking at the table to one of Mixons friends. It was a chance to make nice but turned out to be a chance for him to deck her.
And yet she was so pressed to get away from him she invites him over to her table?
A: isn't applicable here.
B: it is common sense that if any man is actually under physical duress from a woman and needs to defend himself with force, fine, if his well being is being threatened with force? Fine. Even then a man can do about ten things to avoid cold cocking a woman.
It's nonsense. Yes, a woman shouldn't assault a man and in rare cases force might be required but I'd say it's 1-1000 cases where force might be needed and we're talking horror movie crazy bitch kind of stuff.
I'm assuming (correct me if I'm wrong) that you're referring to me in your post. Again, it appears that some folks are so caught up in Mixon's punch that they refuse to accept what's been my position on this since the beginning. You can't say it's 'not applicable' because it is... and that's that if the woman had kept her hands to herself, she doesn't get punched.
This will be the last time I post about this because, frankly, I'm tired of saying the same thing over and over again. In your last sentence you say:
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Yes, a woman shouldn't assault a man and in rare cases force might be required but I'd say it's 1-1000 cases where force might be needed and we're talking horror movie crazy bitch kind of stuff.
There is no 'but' needed in there. A woman shouldn't assault a man. Period. Stop. End of story. Fine. However you want to put it, that's it. The statement 'A woman shouldn't assault a man' doesn't need to have any kind of 'but', 'if' or any other qualifier after it. Why that statement either bothers or confuses anyone is beyond me.
I talked to my wife about this conversation this morning and then showed her the video (she hadn't seen it yet). While watching the video, the first audible 'gasp' (which was more her saying 'Aww!' as if she was shocked she started pushing him) I heard from her is when she pushed. But when he punches her she then says 'WHOA! He didn't have to hit her like that.'. But you know what her next statement was?
'He was wrong for hitting her like that... but she really should've just let him walk away.'
That's what I've been saying from the very beginning. All Mixon did was call her friend a gay slur... but as far as some of you seemed to be concerned, that was enough to justify her pushing and 'half slapping' (whatever that is... I told my wife about someone saying it was a 'half slap' and she was like 'Half slap? What's the difference, it's still a slap! So it would've been ok if he 'half punched' her?') Mixon. Most of you have been downplaying her assault on him but if anything, she could (and perhaps should) be called a 'thug' and 'animal' just like Mixon has been numerous times... and yet I've yet to see ONE person refer to her as anything close to that.
She started the physical confrontation. That's an undeniable fact. It's an undeniable fact that had she let Mixon continue to walk away, she most likely would not been punched (of course it's possible that Mixon may've returned and hit her... but unlikely). You say, in an earlier post, that you could tell by Mixon's hit women in the past because he 'looked way too comfortable' hitting the girl... if you ask me, the girl probably has a past of putting her hands on people too because she was waay to quick to push and slap Mixon just because he called her friend a gay slur.
I've repeatedly said that Mixon was wrong for punching her like that. No one seems to have an issue with that statement. I've also said that the girl should've kept her hands to herself in the first place. But for some reason THAT statement some of you have a problem with and I don't know why and honestly, at this point, I don't are to know. All I do know is that you all may want to tell your wives, daughters, nieces, aunts and any other female family members or friends you may know that it's always best to keep their hands to themselves because you don't know how the person you decide to attack will defend themselves. Some will walk away... others may simply push or try to restrain... and some others will react much more violently.
that's hard to discuss on a message board. I think we are all in agreement, its just that when the focus is turned to "the girl started it" or "she shouldn't have hit him", it looks like you or anyone else isn't going hard enough on Mixon (which I know isn't the case, but again, its a message board).
that's hard to discuss on a message board. I think we are all in agreement, its just that when the focus is turned to "the girl started it" or "she shouldn't have hit him", it looks like you or anyone else isn't going hard enough on Mixon (which I know isn't the case, but again, its a message board).
I hear ya UConn and I can understand that. Even though I've repeatedly said how wrong Mixon was, I also think it's irresponsible to dismiss the role the young lady played in this incident. Mainly, as I said to djm, because she was too quick to put her hands on him and so I'm hoping she's learned her lesson as well. I'm not absolving Mixon of his WORSE reaction to her BAD reaction... all I've been saying is that his 'worse' reaction most likely wouldn't have happened if it wasn't for her 'bad' reaction. For whatever reason that notion seems to rub some the wrong way.
instead of focusing on the legality or morality think of it from the point of view of a business risk assessment
Does Mixon show good judgement?
The NFL is full of guys who will taunt him
Not just opponents but his own "teammates"
Think all the RB in camp wont provoke him?
Now add the non stop media attention
Think women against violence wont protest?
think that once he gets a contract and has money he wont get sued by the guy and the girl?
Does the guy in the video show judgement?
Neither does she but no one is putting their organization, their fan base, their locker room, the nfl and real money at risk on her
Completely agree. Would not surprise me if he goes undrafted. Last week, one of the talking heads made a good point when he said that Mixon's best chance at a NFL career may be to skip the draft, check himself into a clinic that deals with his type of anger issues, and come back to the NFL next year after a year of rehab.
thread. She should've kept her hands to herself. At no point did I condone him hitting her the way he did... but for whatever reason she assaulting him first seems to always be overlooked and I don't think that's fair at all.
That said, the possibility that it wasn't the first time he hit a girl/woman (which I believe) changes my personal view of him from a guy who's a dick... who overreacted by punching her the way he did in the college video... to now a contemptible human being and I also would like to not see on the Giants.
I don't see why you are so willing to die on this hill. He walked up to that woman unprovoked and said something to them that caused her to strike him. Yes, she shouldn't have done that, but HE STARTED THE ALTERCATION, and he was the 230 lb D-1 athlete striking a much smaller woman. I don't see how the 2 offenses are remotely similar. How would you react if it were your wife/gf/sister/daughter?
On top of that, he still refuses to take responsibility. His story is utter bullshit, and is easily picked apart by the available video evidence. If an NFL team chooses to take a chance on him, good for him; but if it's the Giants, I will stop watching until he is gone.
RE: RE: I'll take the heat... and I still stand by my comments on the previous
thread. She should've kept her hands to herself. At no point did I condone him hitting her the way he did... but for whatever reason she assaulting him first seems to always be overlooked and I don't think that's fair at all.
That said, the possibility that it wasn't the first time he hit a girl/woman (which I believe) changes my personal view of him from a guy who's a dick... who overreacted by punching her the way he did in the college video... to now a contemptible human being and I also would like to not see on the Giants.
I don't see why you are so willing to die on this hill. He walked up to that woman unprovoked and said something to them that caused her to strike him. Yes, she shouldn't have done that, but HE STARTED THE ALTERCATION, and he was the 230 lb D-1 athlete striking a much smaller woman. I don't see how the 2 offenses are remotely similar. How would you react if it were your wife/gf/sister/daughter?
On top of that, he still refuses to take responsibility. His story is utter bullshit, and is easily picked apart by the available video evidence. If an NFL team chooses to take a chance on him, good for him; but if it's the Giants, I will stop watching until he is gone.
1) You don't know what you're talking about. She motions him over to the table. So he didn't walk up to her 'unprovoked'. Nor did he start the altercation since he was actually walking away from the table when she grabs and pushes him.
2) Read through the thread after that post of mine. As I've said, if I'd been in the room, Mixon would've had a real problem on his hands from me... especially if it had been my wife,sister or daughter.
Your obsession with her not getting enough flak in this is just strange. This is getting talked about because if his potential draft status, THAT'S why his actions are getting dissected more than hers. This story isn't getting much air time outside of sports shows/websites. Why are sports shows/websites so focused on him? Because he is the athlete with millions to lose and everybody has been chiming in with their own opinions on whether a team should take a chance on him. Perhaps if SHE was entering the NFL draft as a highly touted RB, the media and fans would be dissecting her actions a bit more to your liking. Bottom line is, if he wasn't a star athlete, we wouldn't be discussing this incident at all. You wouldn't be reading about it anywhere. It's unfortunate, but it's just how it is. Critique that "monster" push of hers all you'd like if it makes you feel better, but HE'S the one that has put his career on the line. I'm really not sure what you want at this point.
Your obsession with her not getting enough flak in this is just strange. This is getting talked about because if his potential draft status, THAT'S why his actions are getting dissected more than hers. This story isn't getting much air time outside of sports shows/websites. Why are sports shows/websites so focused on him? Because he is the athlete with millions to lose and everybody has been chiming in with their own opinions on whether a team should take a chance on him. Perhaps if SHE was entering the NFL draft as a highly touted RB, the media and fans would be dissecting her actions a bit more to your liking. Bottom line is, if he wasn't a star athlete, we wouldn't be discussing this incident at all. You wouldn't be reading about it anywhere. It's unfortunate, but it's just how it is. Critique that "monster" push of hers all you'd like if it makes you feel better, but HE'S the one that has put his career on the line. I'm really not sure what you want at this point.
That's a fair response and I appreciate it, therefore I'll explain.
In response, the reason for my 'obsession' (if that's what you want to call it) is because as a man (particularly a black man) myself I've been in similar situations and what I'm trying to do is educate the men on this site that if you don't want your mothers, daughters, aunts and/or nieces to get themselves in a position where they may be knocked out, then I'd suggest you tell them to keep their hands to themselves.
Had Mixon walked away after being pushed (never did I say 'monster' push, so there's really no reason for the sarcasm there) and decided to press charges against her for assaulting him... would those of you who have been so quick to call him a 'thug', 'asshole' and 'POS' been so quick to label her the same way? Be honest. I'm leaning towards that answer being 'no'. And yet it was her that put her hands on him first. The FACT that she's faced no consequences (besides the broken jaw HER actions earned her) is what bothers me and basically makes her think it's ok for her to put her hands on anyone she wants. She, in effect, is being given a free pass.
I don't have a daughter yet (the wife and I are expecting our second child though quiet as kept) but if we are blessed to bring a girl into this world I'll be telling her the same thing I've told my sisters in the past... keep your hands to yourselves (unless it's in self defense) because you don't know how the person (especially a man) may react back. Not all men are going to simply walk away and you can seriously get yourself hurt, or worse killed. Just as I'll be teaching my son that if he puts his hands on a woman he better be ready to put his hands on me if/when I find out because I'm gonna put my hands on him. He's not even two years old yet and I'm already teaching him that boys don't hit girls. That's something my father instilled in me when I was young and thus I've never hit a woman in my life.
During my discussions with various posters about this topic over the past week or so I've seen a bunch of reports and statements which have been proven to be false. From Mixon 'cornering' the girl... to him barging in on them (when she invited him over to the table). Meanwhile, her assault on him has been called a 'half slap', a 'subtle push' and that she had a right to do it because she was defending her friend (who was called a gay slur... not physically attacked... simply called a gay slur). That bothers me because I can't help but feel like these same guys would excuse their own daughters/sisters/whatever attacking a man and thinking that the man has no right to defend himself simply because she's a girl. There are a great many women who will use the fact that they are a girl as an excuse for putting their hands on a man and I find that sickening. I know because I've run into a few myself. I've shared on this site a few times a story where a woman wouldn't let me leave and kept attacking me and I'd grab her arms to restrain her and she said that if I left she'd tell the police that I beat her and use the bruises on her arms as proof... and ya know what, the police would believe her story over mine every day of the week and twice on Sundays. So all I could do is sit down and wait for her to allow me to leave. If you've never been put in that position, you're lucky because it's not a good feeling to be in.
So, I understand WHY this is being talked about in the media. But I don't have a chance to point this out to the general media now do I? But on this site I do. And all I've pointed out is that she put her hands on him first and yet her actions have been continuously excused and or downplayed throughout this and the other thread. And that's not right. She keeps her hands to herself, Mixon most likely doesn't hit her. That's a fact. But it's one that many here seem to want to skip over or flat out ignore. If you've ever been put in a position like that, it would bother you too.
I'm not getting started on the entire ordeal again, but how can you honestly say that it started inside? So she just talks shit to this random dude that walks into the restaurant? Everything from the reports to the video suggest that it started before opening that door. Unless you are referring to being physical as "starting it", I really can't agree with you on this one.
on the strong picking on the weak, whether or not it is warranted.
I'm not sure why race is being prominently discussed here. When Bruce Miller, a white 49ers FB, kicked the ass of a 70 year old man he was called a thug, an idiot, an animal and a bunch of other things and was promptly released by the Niners. He also had a past allegation of spousal abuse, too.
The 70 year old man laid his hands on Miller first, trying to stop Miller from pummeling his son. Basically, a drunk Miller knocked on a door, beat the crap out of the guy who answered it (the son), then when the Dad came to protect the son, kicked his ass too.
It doesn't matter if the Dad initiated contact or if words were exchanged. what matters is that a really strong dude senselessly beat an old man. Old people, women and children getting beaten is going to be a poor play no matter what.
Interjecting race into the discussion as a way to deflect the viciousness of slamming a fist into a woman's head seems odd.
"Had Mixon walked away after being pushed (never did I say 'monster' push, so there's really no reason for the sarcasm there) and decided to press charges against her for assaulting him... would those of you who have been so quick to call him a 'thug', 'asshole' and 'POS' been so quick to label her the same way? "
You look at that damn video and tell me that you consider that first initial push by a 105 girl to a much bigger man to be worthy of the same contempt as his hit on her, if the incident stopped at that push and he filed assault charges. That's absolutely ridiculous. Assault charges? Haha, classic. There's not a man on this planet that would file assault charges on a woman for that push. But whatever. I guess she's a thug, asshole and POS. Oh, and I. Sure her parents have told her it was ok to hit a man too, like you keep insinuating must be the case. Bad parenting. Good lord what has this world come to?
Your obsession with her not getting enough flak in this is just strange. This is getting talked about because if his potential draft status, THAT'S why his actions are getting dissected more than hers. This story isn't getting much air time outside of sports shows/websites. Why are sports shows/websites so focused on him? Because he is the athlete with millions to lose and everybody has been chiming in with their own opinions on whether a team should take a chance on him. Perhaps if SHE was entering the NFL draft as a highly touted RB, the media and fans would be dissecting her actions a bit more to your liking. Bottom line is, if he wasn't a star athlete, we wouldn't be discussing this incident at all. You wouldn't be reading about it anywhere. It's unfortunate, but it's just how it is. Critique that "monster" push of hers all you'd like if it makes you feel better, but HE'S the one that has put his career on the line. I'm really not sure what you want at this point.
I think being knocked out and having your jaw broken in 4 places is probably far worst than any "flak" that some thinks she deserves. The guy is twice her size, and infinitely more powerful; there is nothing in the story that justifies what he did.
RE: RE: RE: the altercation clearly starts outside
I'm not getting started on the entire ordeal again, but how can you honestly say that it started inside? So she just talks shit to this random dude that walks into the restaurant? Everything from the reports to the video suggest that it started before opening that door. Unless you are referring to being physical as "starting it", I really can't agree with you on this one.
Yes... I meant the physical altercation. Which is what this whole story is based around.
on the strong picking on the weak, whether or not it is warranted.
I'm not sure why race is being prominently discussed here. When Bruce Miller, a white 49ers FB, kicked the ass of a 70 year old man he was called a thug, an idiot, an animal and a bunch of other things and was promptly released by the Niners. He also had a past allegation of spousal abuse, too.
The 70 year old man laid his hands on Miller first, trying to stop Miller from pummeling his son. Basically, a drunk Miller knocked on a door, beat the crap out of the guy who answered it (the son), then when the Dad came to protect the son, kicked his ass too.
It doesn't matter if the Dad initiated contact or if words were exchanged. what matters is that a really strong dude senselessly beat an old man. Old people, women and children getting beaten is going to be a poor play no matter what.
Interjecting race into the discussion as a way to deflect the viciousness of slamming a fist into a woman's head seems odd.
I'm not sure why you think race is 'prominently' being discussed here. The only time I can remember race being mentioned is when I put '(particularly as a black man)'. If that's all it took to get you started, you were looking for something that wasn't there. I've purposely not mentioned race not once because this isn't about race as much as it's about a woman hitting a man and vice versa.
Again, this isn't about race and the one interjecting it into this isn't me.
You look at that damn video and tell me that you consider that first initial push by a 105 girl to a much bigger man to be worthy of the same contempt as his hit on her
I never said that it did. Not sure how you could take my sentence you put in your post as a way of saying I did.
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That's absolutely ridiculous. Assault charges? Haha, classic. There's not a man on this planet that would file assault charges on a woman for that push
You're probably right... but the push AND the slap? The push by itself could be deemed assault in a court of law... the slap definitely pushes it into that realm. Most men wouldn't file a lawsuit for sexual harassment either against a woman... does that mean it doesn't take place?
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But whatever. I guess she's a thug, asshole and POS
I don't see any reason to NOT label her as such based on the however-many-minute video that's out there. That's what most of you have labeled Mixon based on that video right?
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Oh, and I. Sure her parents have told her it was ok to hit a man too, like you keep insinuating must be the case. Bad parenting
Firstly, I never 'insinuated' that. BUT, using same logic djm used above... she was waaaay too quick to put her hands on Mixon... which makes me think she's done it before. That said, I don't know whether her parents have told her not to put her hands on others or not. And even if they didn't, I don't know if I'd chalk that up to 'bad parenting'... because it should be common sense that you don't put your hands on someone else unless they want you to.
Which bring me to this... I'm stunned (but not exactly surprised) that the problem everyone seems to have with me is my notion that a person... whether that person be a male or female... do NOT put their hands on someone else without their permission. YOUR last post, BBSHock, is exactly why I've been saying what I've been saying over and over again and, for some strange reason, beeen facing a lot of backlash over. I would think that a site full of grown, intelligent men would actually agree with me on that statement... but maybe I've overrating the room here? Unless I come down hard on Mixon... and ONLY on Mixon... then I'm basically a woman-beating, racist thug who must love going on and beating up my wife. Forget the girl's part if what happened... she had a right to push and slap Mixon because he shouldn't have called her friend a gay slur I guess!
Your obsession with her not getting enough flak in this is just strange. This is getting talked about because if his potential draft status, THAT'S why his actions are getting dissected more than hers. This story isn't getting much air time outside of sports shows/websites. Why are sports shows/websites so focused on him? Because he is the athlete with millions to lose and everybody has been chiming in with their own opinions on whether a team should take a chance on him. Perhaps if SHE was entering the NFL draft as a highly touted RB, the media and fans would be dissecting her actions a bit more to your liking. Bottom line is, if he wasn't a star athlete, we wouldn't be discussing this incident at all. You wouldn't be reading about it anywhere. It's unfortunate, but it's just how it is. Critique that "monster" push of hers all you'd like if it makes you feel better, but HE'S the one that has put his career on the line. I'm really not sure what you want at this point.
I think being knocked out and having your jaw broken in 4 places is probably far worst than any "flak" that some thinks she deserves. The guy is twice her size, and infinitely more powerful; there is nothing in the story that justifies what he did.
And at NO point did I say that there was!
Jesus Christ! Do you guys really think that she had a right to put her hands on him? Yes or no.
I knew you weren't going to walk away from this conversation, haha.
Hey man... I've let Bill2, Beer Man (TWICE!) and Sec 103 post and I wasn't going to respond. It wasn't until Section 331 chimed in and basically put out a lot of the same misinformation that's been going on since the start of this thread that I felt the need to respond and correct him. Then all hell broke loose (again).
I guess I really just need to walk away from this conversation because no matter what I say... or how many times I say it... any criticism of the girl's part in this is met with 'OH MY GOD! HOW CAN YOU DEFEND MIXON IN THIS!!!!' and no matter how many time... or different ways I say it... that's all that some are going to see. Which is a shame because I'd think that some of these guys are open-minded enough to see what I'm saying and agree with it. But I guess not. I guess it's ok for women to hit men in their worlds? But that's not a world I'd like to live in.
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myself hitting a woman. First off, there is no way she can hurt him, so we can start there. No reason for him to defend himself. There is clearly something inside of him that he thinks its ok to hit a woman. I can't envision any scenario outside of a woman having a weapon that can actually hurt me where I would lay my hands on her. None. There is no excuse, no get out of jail free card, nothing. He is a POS.
As I said before, I can't envision myself hitting one either.
I disagree with you saying that there's no way she can hurt him though. It's very possible that she can... or even could've injured him. Likely? No. But possible? Definitely yes. I don't care how small you may be... keep your hands to yourself or else face whatever consequences come to you. That goes for male and females.
Again with "consequences". I tried before to clarify this before but I must have expressed my self poorly so I'll try again. Do you mean legal or physical consequences?
If you would expect physical consequences to pushing someone it implies you at least in part feel that the reaction is justified. What level of a violent reaction would you say is justifiable to being pushed by a woman and you are a highly trained athlete?
Well hopefully Mixon learned to not hit women.
And hopefully Miss Molitor learned to not him men.
See how that works?
When is it ok to defend yourself? I thankfully have never had to, as an adult, but I definitely would in certain situations.
Don't women have that right too?
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myself hitting a woman. First off, there is no way she can hurt him, so we can start there. No reason for him to defend himself. There is clearly something inside of him that he thinks its ok to hit a woman. I can't envision any scenario outside of a woman having a weapon that can actually hurt me where I would lay my hands on her. None. There is no excuse, no get out of jail free card, nothing. He is a POS.
As I said before, I can't envision myself hitting one either.
I disagree with you saying that there's no way she can hurt him though. It's very possible that she can... or even could've injured him. Likely? No. But possible? Definitely yes. I don't care how small you may be... keep your hands to yourself or else face whatever consequences come to you. That goes for male and females.
Again with "consequences". I tried before to clarify this before but I must have expressed my self poorly so I'll try again. Do you mean legal or physical consequences?
If you would expect physical consequences to pushing someone it implies you at least in part feel that the reaction is justified. What level of a violent reaction would you say is justifiable to being pushed by a woman and you are a highly trained athlete?
Both. If you put your hands on another person, whether you are a man or a woman, you should be prepared to deal with either legal or physical (or maybe even both types of) consequences. When you put your hands on another person you don't know how that person is going to react... so why not just keep your hands to yourself? You seem to be implying that what she did was ok, while what he did was wrong. I'm saying they both were wrong and for whatever reason you have a problem with that statement.
For whatever reason, you're seemingly trying to make me say or imply that it's ok that Mixon punched that woman. I've not once said that and I never will. All I've been saying... from the very beginning... is that if Miss Molitor had kept her hands to herself (and let Mixon walk away, as he was beginning to do) she wouldn't have gotten punched. I think most people if they push someone expects to face some kind of consequences to doing that, don't you? Or do you think that women have a right to go around pushing and slapping anyone they damn well please and not face any consequences for their actions?
When is it ok to defend yourself? I thankfully have never had to, as an adult, but I definitely would in certain situations.
Don't women have that right too?
Of course they do.
But what does that have to do with this case? He didn't attack her, she attacked him. She wasn't trying to walk away and he stopped her and pushed her and slapped her... it was actually the reverse of that which occurred. This goes back to you saying he 'stalked' and 'cornered' her when it's been proven that neither of those were the case (she called him over to her table).
A slap to the ear?
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one that I have no specific answer to.
When is it ok to defend yourself? I thankfully have never had to, as an adult, but I definitely would in certain situations.
Don't women have that right too?
Of course they do.
But what does that have to do with this case? He didn't attack her, she attacked him. She wasn't trying to walk away and he stopped her and pushed her and slapped her... it was actually the reverse of that which occurred. This goes back to you saying he 'stalked' and 'cornered' her when it's been proven that neither of those were the case (she called him over to her table).
IMO she was attacked from the moment she was spit on. She was then threatened further by being stalked into the restaurant and was then approached when trying to ignore him/them. When's enough, enough?
I couldn't disagree with you more on this portion.
A slap to the ear?
Although David in LA is right in that getting hit in the ear does hurt, I personally feel that Mixon was lying about that to make her attack on him seem worse than it actually was. But that's just my opinion.
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one that I have no specific answer to.
When is it ok to defend yourself? I thankfully have never had to, as an adult, but I definitely would in certain situations.
Don't women have that right too?
Of course they do.
But what does that have to do with this case? He didn't attack her, she attacked him. She wasn't trying to walk away and he stopped her and pushed her and slapped her... it was actually the reverse of that which occurred. This goes back to you saying he 'stalked' and 'cornered' her when it's been proven that neither of those were the case (she called him over to her table).
IMO she was attacked from the moment she was spit on. She was then threatened further by being stalked into the restaurant and was then approached when trying to ignore him/them. When's enough, enough?
I couldn't disagree with you more on this portion.
It appears your opinion is factually wrong.
He allegedly spit on her AFTER she pushes him. You can see it in the video. He didn't spit on her and THEN followed her to the table (which she invited him to go to by the way, not sure how many times a stalker is invited to someone's table by the stalkee). Enough should've been enough if she walked back into the deli and DIDN'T signal for Mixon to come over to her table. But if she wasn't trying to talk to him, why did she motion for him to come over to her table (which you can clearly see she does in the video I linked to earlier in the thread)?
It's hilarious that both of your videos skip the part where she motions him over to her table.
#alternativefacts
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It's hilarious that both of your videos skip the part where she motions him over to her table.
#alternativefacts
Mixon's friend is at the table talking to her gay friend at the time. Mixon claims outside the Deli she was blowing smoke in his face and acting all crazy. When he was with his friends. Its on the police report. She also claims she went inside to get away from him because she was afraid of him. They were talking at the table to one of Mixons friends. It was a chance to make nice but turned out to be a chance for him to deck her.
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It's hilarious that both of your videos skip the part where she motions him over to her table.
#alternativefacts
Mixon's friend is at the table talking to her gay friend at the time. Mixon claims outside the Deli she was blowing smoke in his face and acting all crazy. When he was with his friends. Its on the police report. She also claims she went inside to get away from him because she was afraid of him. They were talking at the table to one of Mixons friends. It was a chance to make nice but turned out to be a chance for him to deck her.
And yet she was so pressed to get away from him she invites him over to her table?
Yeah... that makes sense.
LOL! Good point!
You mean outside?
No sir... he supposedly spit on her after she pushes him the first time.
Well folks, that's it for me today. Everyone have a great night!
Still a fuckin coward. A man spitting on a girl after a push that hurts less than my daughter accidentally stepping on my toe is ridiculous.
But I'm don't too since this is dumb. I just hope we don't draft him.
B: it is common sense that if any man is actually under physical duress from a woman and needs to defend himself with force, fine, if his well being is being threatened with force? Fine. Even then a man can do about ten things to avoid cold cocking a woman.
It's nonsense. Yes, a woman shouldn't assault a man and in rare cases force might be required but I'd say it's 1-1000 cases where force might be needed and we're talking horror movie crazy bitch kind of stuff.
This guy has Cowboy written all over him.
This will be the last time I post about this because, frankly, I'm tired of saying the same thing over and over again. In your last sentence you say:
There is no 'but' needed in there. A woman shouldn't assault a man. Period. Stop. End of story. Fine. However you want to put it, that's it. The statement 'A woman shouldn't assault a man' doesn't need to have any kind of 'but', 'if' or any other qualifier after it. Why that statement either bothers or confuses anyone is beyond me.
I talked to my wife about this conversation this morning and then showed her the video (she hadn't seen it yet). While watching the video, the first audible 'gasp' (which was more her saying 'Aww!' as if she was shocked she started pushing him) I heard from her is when she pushed. But when he punches her she then says 'WHOA! He didn't have to hit her like that.'. But you know what her next statement was?
'He was wrong for hitting her like that... but she really should've just let him walk away.'
That's what I've been saying from the very beginning. All Mixon did was call her friend a gay slur... but as far as some of you seemed to be concerned, that was enough to justify her pushing and 'half slapping' (whatever that is... I told my wife about someone saying it was a 'half slap' and she was like 'Half slap? What's the difference, it's still a slap! So it would've been ok if he 'half punched' her?') Mixon. Most of you have been downplaying her assault on him but if anything, she could (and perhaps should) be called a 'thug' and 'animal' just like Mixon has been numerous times... and yet I've yet to see ONE person refer to her as anything close to that.
She started the physical confrontation. That's an undeniable fact. It's an undeniable fact that had she let Mixon continue to walk away, she most likely would not been punched (of course it's possible that Mixon may've returned and hit her... but unlikely). You say, in an earlier post, that you could tell by Mixon's hit women in the past because he 'looked way too comfortable' hitting the girl... if you ask me, the girl probably has a past of putting her hands on people too because she was waay to quick to push and slap Mixon just because he called her friend a gay slur.
I've repeatedly said that Mixon was wrong for punching her like that. No one seems to have an issue with that statement. I've also said that the girl should've kept her hands to herself in the first place. But for some reason THAT statement some of you have a problem with and I don't know why and honestly, at this point, I don't are to know. All I do know is that you all may want to tell your wives, daughters, nieces, aunts and any other female family members or friends you may know that it's always best to keep their hands to themselves because you don't know how the person you decide to attack will defend themselves. Some will walk away... others may simply push or try to restrain... and some others will react much more violently.
I hear ya UConn and I can understand that. Even though I've repeatedly said how wrong Mixon was, I also think it's irresponsible to dismiss the role the young lady played in this incident. Mainly, as I said to djm, because she was too quick to put her hands on him and so I'm hoping she's learned her lesson as well. I'm not absolving Mixon of his WORSE reaction to her BAD reaction... all I've been saying is that his 'worse' reaction most likely wouldn't have happened if it wasn't for her 'bad' reaction. For whatever reason that notion seems to rub some the wrong way.
Does Mixon show good judgement?
The NFL is full of guys who will taunt him
Not just opponents but his own "teammates"
Think all the RB in camp wont provoke him?
Now add the non stop media attention
Think women against violence wont protest?
think that once he gets a contract and has money he wont get sued by the guy and the girl?
Does the guy in the video show judgement?
Neither does she but no one is putting their organization, their fan base, their locker room, the nfl and real money at risk on her
A slap to the ear?
Full Mixon video - Youtube - ( New Window )
Does Mixon show good judgement?
The NFL is full of guys who will taunt him
Not just opponents but his own "teammates"
Think all the RB in camp wont provoke him?
Now add the non stop media attention
Think women against violence wont protest?
think that once he gets a contract and has money he wont get sued by the guy and the girl?
Does the guy in the video show judgement?
Neither does she but no one is putting their organization, their fan base, their locker room, the nfl and real money at risk on her
That said, the possibility that it wasn't the first time he hit a girl/woman (which I believe) changes my personal view of him from a guy who's a dick... who overreacted by punching her the way he did in the college video... to now a contemptible human being and I also would like to not see on the Giants.
I don't see why you are so willing to die on this hill. He walked up to that woman unprovoked and said something to them that caused her to strike him. Yes, she shouldn't have done that, but HE STARTED THE ALTERCATION, and he was the 230 lb D-1 athlete striking a much smaller woman. I don't see how the 2 offenses are remotely similar. How would you react if it were your wife/gf/sister/daughter?
On top of that, he still refuses to take responsibility. His story is utter bullshit, and is easily picked apart by the available video evidence. If an NFL team chooses to take a chance on him, good for him; but if it's the Giants, I will stop watching until he is gone.
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thread. She should've kept her hands to herself. At no point did I condone him hitting her the way he did... but for whatever reason she assaulting him first seems to always be overlooked and I don't think that's fair at all.
That said, the possibility that it wasn't the first time he hit a girl/woman (which I believe) changes my personal view of him from a guy who's a dick... who overreacted by punching her the way he did in the college video... to now a contemptible human being and I also would like to not see on the Giants.
I don't see why you are so willing to die on this hill. He walked up to that woman unprovoked and said something to them that caused her to strike him. Yes, she shouldn't have done that, but HE STARTED THE ALTERCATION, and he was the 230 lb D-1 athlete striking a much smaller woman. I don't see how the 2 offenses are remotely similar. How would you react if it were your wife/gf/sister/daughter?
On top of that, he still refuses to take responsibility. His story is utter bullshit, and is easily picked apart by the available video evidence. If an NFL team chooses to take a chance on him, good for him; but if it's the Giants, I will stop watching until he is gone.
1) You don't know what you're talking about. She motions him over to the table. So he didn't walk up to her 'unprovoked'. Nor did he start the altercation since he was actually walking away from the table when she grabs and pushes him.
2) Read through the thread after that post of mine. As I've said, if I'd been in the room, Mixon would've had a real problem on his hands from me... especially if it had been my wife,sister or daughter.
3) I'm done with this topic.
Whatever...
That's a fair response and I appreciate it, therefore I'll explain.
In response, the reason for my 'obsession' (if that's what you want to call it) is because as a man (particularly a black man) myself I've been in similar situations and what I'm trying to do is educate the men on this site that if you don't want your mothers, daughters, aunts and/or nieces to get themselves in a position where they may be knocked out, then I'd suggest you tell them to keep their hands to themselves.
Had Mixon walked away after being pushed (never did I say 'monster' push, so there's really no reason for the sarcasm there) and decided to press charges against her for assaulting him... would those of you who have been so quick to call him a 'thug', 'asshole' and 'POS' been so quick to label her the same way? Be honest. I'm leaning towards that answer being 'no'. And yet it was her that put her hands on him first. The FACT that she's faced no consequences (besides the broken jaw HER actions earned her) is what bothers me and basically makes her think it's ok for her to put her hands on anyone she wants. She, in effect, is being given a free pass.
I don't have a daughter yet (the wife and I are expecting our second child though quiet as kept) but if we are blessed to bring a girl into this world I'll be telling her the same thing I've told my sisters in the past... keep your hands to yourselves (unless it's in self defense) because you don't know how the person (especially a man) may react back. Not all men are going to simply walk away and you can seriously get yourself hurt, or worse killed. Just as I'll be teaching my son that if he puts his hands on a woman he better be ready to put his hands on me if/when I find out because I'm gonna put my hands on him. He's not even two years old yet and I'm already teaching him that boys don't hit girls. That's something my father instilled in me when I was young and thus I've never hit a woman in my life.
During my discussions with various posters about this topic over the past week or so I've seen a bunch of reports and statements which have been proven to be false. From Mixon 'cornering' the girl... to him barging in on them (when she invited him over to the table). Meanwhile, her assault on him has been called a 'half slap', a 'subtle push' and that she had a right to do it because she was defending her friend (who was called a gay slur... not physically attacked... simply called a gay slur). That bothers me because I can't help but feel like these same guys would excuse their own daughters/sisters/whatever attacking a man and thinking that the man has no right to defend himself simply because she's a girl. There are a great many women who will use the fact that they are a girl as an excuse for putting their hands on a man and I find that sickening. I know because I've run into a few myself. I've shared on this site a few times a story where a woman wouldn't let me leave and kept attacking me and I'd grab her arms to restrain her and she said that if I left she'd tell the police that I beat her and use the bruises on her arms as proof... and ya know what, the police would believe her story over mine every day of the week and twice on Sundays. So all I could do is sit down and wait for her to allow me to leave. If you've never been put in that position, you're lucky because it's not a good feeling to be in.
So, I understand WHY this is being talked about in the media. But I don't have a chance to point this out to the general media now do I? But on this site I do. And all I've pointed out is that she put her hands on him first and yet her actions have been continuously excused and or downplayed throughout this and the other thread. And that's not right. She keeps her hands to herself, Mixon most likely doesn't hit her. That's a fact. But it's one that many here seem to want to skip over or flat out ignore. If you've ever been put in a position like that, it would bother you too.
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not inside, IMO.
Whatever...
I'm not getting started on the entire ordeal again, but how can you honestly say that it started inside? So she just talks shit to this random dude that walks into the restaurant? Everything from the reports to the video suggest that it started before opening that door. Unless you are referring to being physical as "starting it", I really can't agree with you on this one.
I'm not sure why race is being prominently discussed here. When Bruce Miller, a white 49ers FB, kicked the ass of a 70 year old man he was called a thug, an idiot, an animal and a bunch of other things and was promptly released by the Niners. He also had a past allegation of spousal abuse, too.
The 70 year old man laid his hands on Miller first, trying to stop Miller from pummeling his son. Basically, a drunk Miller knocked on a door, beat the crap out of the guy who answered it (the son), then when the Dad came to protect the son, kicked his ass too.
It doesn't matter if the Dad initiated contact or if words were exchanged. what matters is that a really strong dude senselessly beat an old man. Old people, women and children getting beaten is going to be a poor play no matter what.
Interjecting race into the discussion as a way to deflect the viciousness of slamming a fist into a woman's head seems odd.
You look at that damn video and tell me that you consider that first initial push by a 105 girl to a much bigger man to be worthy of the same contempt as his hit on her, if the incident stopped at that push and he filed assault charges. That's absolutely ridiculous. Assault charges? Haha, classic. There's not a man on this planet that would file assault charges on a woman for that push. But whatever. I guess she's a thug, asshole and POS. Oh, and I. Sure her parents have told her it was ok to hit a man too, like you keep insinuating must be the case. Bad parenting. Good lord what has this world come to?
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not inside, IMO.
Whatever...
I'm not getting started on the entire ordeal again, but how can you honestly say that it started inside? So she just talks shit to this random dude that walks into the restaurant? Everything from the reports to the video suggest that it started before opening that door. Unless you are referring to being physical as "starting it", I really can't agree with you on this one.
Yes... I meant the physical altercation. Which is what this whole story is based around.
I'm not sure why race is being prominently discussed here. When Bruce Miller, a white 49ers FB, kicked the ass of a 70 year old man he was called a thug, an idiot, an animal and a bunch of other things and was promptly released by the Niners. He also had a past allegation of spousal abuse, too.
The 70 year old man laid his hands on Miller first, trying to stop Miller from pummeling his son. Basically, a drunk Miller knocked on a door, beat the crap out of the guy who answered it (the son), then when the Dad came to protect the son, kicked his ass too.
It doesn't matter if the Dad initiated contact or if words were exchanged. what matters is that a really strong dude senselessly beat an old man. Old people, women and children getting beaten is going to be a poor play no matter what.
Interjecting race into the discussion as a way to deflect the viciousness of slamming a fist into a woman's head seems odd.
I'm not sure why you think race is 'prominently' being discussed here. The only time I can remember race being mentioned is when I put '(particularly as a black man)'. If that's all it took to get you started, you were looking for something that wasn't there. I've purposely not mentioned race not once because this isn't about race as much as it's about a woman hitting a man and vice versa.
Again, this isn't about race and the one interjecting it into this isn't me.
I never said that it did. Not sure how you could take my sentence you put in your post as a way of saying I did.
You're probably right... but the push AND the slap? The push by itself could be deemed assault in a court of law... the slap definitely pushes it into that realm. Most men wouldn't file a lawsuit for sexual harassment either against a woman... does that mean it doesn't take place?
I don't see any reason to NOT label her as such based on the however-many-minute video that's out there. That's what most of you have labeled Mixon based on that video right?
Firstly, I never 'insinuated' that. BUT, using same logic djm used above... she was waaaay too quick to put her hands on Mixon... which makes me think she's done it before. That said, I don't know whether her parents have told her not to put her hands on others or not. And even if they didn't, I don't know if I'd chalk that up to 'bad parenting'... because it should be common sense that you don't put your hands on someone else unless they want you to.
Which bring me to this... I'm stunned (but not exactly surprised) that the problem everyone seems to have with me is my notion that a person... whether that person be a male or female... do NOT put their hands on someone else without their permission. YOUR last post, BBSHock, is exactly why I've been saying what I've been saying over and over again and, for some strange reason, beeen facing a lot of backlash over. I would think that a site full of grown, intelligent men would actually agree with me on that statement... but maybe I've overrating the room here? Unless I come down hard on Mixon... and ONLY on Mixon... then I'm basically a woman-beating, racist thug who must love going on and beating up my wife. Forget the girl's part if what happened... she had a right to push and slap Mixon because he shouldn't have called her friend a gay slur I guess!
Amen to that.
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Your obsession with her not getting enough flak in this is just strange. This is getting talked about because if his potential draft status, THAT'S why his actions are getting dissected more than hers. This story isn't getting much air time outside of sports shows/websites. Why are sports shows/websites so focused on him? Because he is the athlete with millions to lose and everybody has been chiming in with their own opinions on whether a team should take a chance on him. Perhaps if SHE was entering the NFL draft as a highly touted RB, the media and fans would be dissecting her actions a bit more to your liking. Bottom line is, if he wasn't a star athlete, we wouldn't be discussing this incident at all. You wouldn't be reading about it anywhere. It's unfortunate, but it's just how it is. Critique that "monster" push of hers all you'd like if it makes you feel better, but HE'S the one that has put his career on the line. I'm really not sure what you want at this point.
I think being knocked out and having your jaw broken in 4 places is probably far worst than any "flak" that some thinks she deserves. The guy is twice her size, and infinitely more powerful; there is nothing in the story that justifies what he did.
And at NO point did I say that there was!
Jesus Christ! Do you guys really think that she had a right to put her hands on him? Yes or no.
Hey man... I've let Bill2, Beer Man (TWICE!) and Sec 103 post and I wasn't going to respond. It wasn't until Section 331 chimed in and basically put out a lot of the same misinformation that's been going on since the start of this thread that I felt the need to respond and correct him. Then all hell broke loose (again).
I guess I really just need to walk away from this conversation because no matter what I say... or how many times I say it... any criticism of the girl's part in this is met with 'OH MY GOD! HOW CAN YOU DEFEND MIXON IN THIS!!!!' and no matter how many time... or different ways I say it... that's all that some are going to see. Which is a shame because I'd think that some of these guys are open-minded enough to see what I'm saying and agree with it. But I guess not. I guess it's ok for women to hit men in their worlds? But that's not a world I'd like to live in.