is a POS. There is no debate in my eyes. It's really no different than hitting a child. She can't possibly hurt him.
Is she a POS for pushing him the first time? Hard to tell based on what we saw, but it was a mistake for sure.
She pushes, he spits on her which is disgraceful and then she half slaps him(you can clearly see she lets up and rethinks it midway through).
I'm not sure why you keep comparing the two of them, what she did doesn't come close to what he did. Maybe if he was walking his dog and she killed the dog you can compare it, but her pushing him as soft as she did doesn't compare to a man punching a woman in the face.
is a POS. There is no debate in my eyes. It's really no different than hitting a child. She can't possibly hurt him.
Is she a POS for pushing him the first time? Hard to tell based on what we saw, but it was a mistake for sure.
She pushes, he spits on her which is disgraceful and then she half slaps him(you can clearly see she lets up and rethinks it midway through).
I'm not sure why you keep comparing the two of them, what she did doesn't come close to what he did. Maybe if he was walking his dog and she killed the dog you can compare it, but her pushing him as soft as she did doesn't compare to a man punching a woman in the face.
*sigh*
I give up. I just... I just don't know what to say anymore. The only time I've 'compared' their respective hits is when I've said that Mixon's was infinitely worse than hers. I've said that more than a few times.
Jesus Christ! Do you guys really think that she had a right to put her hands on him? Yes or no.
You've never seen an angry or frustrated person lash out in a non-harmful way? Watch a toddler after somebody removes a toy from their hands. If they swing at you, can you just bash their head into the wall?
An old man gets angry and whips his cane to your leg at .025mph. Do you break the stick over his head?
You get pushed by a child, an old man or a woman in a manner that doesn't cause harm, you let it go. You don't deliver a blow that can kill them.
from 4:47 yesterday. You really think what she did was that bad??? She touched him and he spit on her. My 10 year old daughter can slap harder than that if she wanted. She barely touches him.
defend the lesser of two crimes its going to look like you care more about the lesser of the two crimes. I don't actually think that of you, but again, its a hard message to convey on a message board.
I really, really want to Keith. I really do. I'm just shocked that some of the same posters who will post on this site "I don't understand why no one's allowed to criticize Eli on this site without getting flamed!" are some of the very same people are have a problem with me pointing that the girl is not COMPLETELY blameless in what happened. THAT's what seems to bother people and I'm very confused by it. The statement 'Keep your hands to yourself' seems to only apply to a particular sex... which I wasn't taught but perhaps some are.
Please see FMIC's last post. If a kid kicks you in the shin, does he get what he deserves when you knock his teeth out?
Her actions were pretty harmless. The lesson that she needs to learn is that there are people that are POS and do bad things so keep your hands to yourself so you aren't a victim.
You've never seen an angry or frustrated person lash out in a non-harmful way?
Yes. But I wouldn't classify another person hitting another person and 'non-harmful'. You don't know what kind of physical condition that person that's being hit is in. Since we're all getting into 'what if's' now (which I've said I wasn't interested in doing), what if she pushed him and he slips on a soda on the floor and breaks his arm or neck. Was the push still not 'harmful'? Why not just keep your hands to yourself?
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Watch a toddler after somebody removes a toy from their hands. If they swing at you, can you just bash their head into the wall?
Apples to oranges.
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An old man gets angry and whips his cane to your leg at .025mph. Do you break the stick over his head?
This one is at least closer than the other one but the old man has no right to hit me with that cane no matter how angry he may be. You think he does?
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You get pushed by a child, an old man or a woman in a manner that doesn't cause harm, you let it go. You don't deliver a blow that can kill them.
Ok... so let me ask you this... had Mixon simply slapped her back... would that be ok?
If the girl had pulled a knife on Mixon and tried to stab him, would he have been justified in using his full force to punch her?
from 4:47 yesterday. You really think what she did was that bad??? She touched him and he spit on her. My 10 year old daughter can slap harder than that if she wanted. She barely touches him.
IT DOESN'T MATTER! SHE SHOULDN'T HAVE PUT HER HAND ON HIM PERIOD!!!!!
You guys are just fucking with me at this point right? Please tell me you are. Because you're basically saying that it was ok for her to push and slap him because he called her friend a gay slur. Right?
would be to very easily walk away. You think when she pushed him(barely, I'm not sure I'd even call it a push) that he was thinking.....I could have slipped on soda! So that's why he bashed her face?
defend the lesser of two crimes its going to look like you care more about the lesser of the two crimes. I don't actually think that of you, but again, its a hard message to convey on a message board.
I hear what your saying UConn but that's because people don't want to hear that she bares some blame in what happened. And I'm sorry that the statement bothers them so... but it's true. Ignoring her actions... which caused his (over)reaction... is wrong. It's what started the his act of punching her. Why this continues to be excused it both telling and alarming.
Please see FMIC's last post. If a kid kicks you in the shin, does he get what he deserves when you knock his teeth out?
Her actions were pretty harmless. The lesson that she needs to learn is that there are people that are POS and do bad things so keep your hands to yourself so you aren't a victim.
I still wouldn't be OK with it, but it also wouldn't have broken her face so it wouldn't be this big of a story. I said it in the thread the other week but I've seen guys get smacked at frat parties after saying something stupid to girls who deny them. They all take it like a man and move on.
She's wrong, I just don't know why we need to keep addressing that she was wrong. Her slap didn't hurt him, break his face, or give him an injury that will ruin his NFL career.
It was wrong because she doesn't know what a POS the other person it, but it was harmless. Completely harmless.
Ok... maybe you don't get it... because no matter how harmless what she did was... if she just keeps her hands to herself... she doesn't have to worry about getting hit. Period.
is that I am aware she is the victim. You however say she is to blame. What she did was harmless, but her problem was not knowing that the other person was the scum of the earth.
Hey, don't walk down 42nd street, there are bad people down there. If you do and you get mugged or killed...it's your fault.
I still wouldn't be OK with it, but it also wouldn't have broken her face so it wouldn't be this big of a story. I said it in the thread the other week but I've seen guys get smacked at frat parties after saying something stupid to girls who deny them. They all take it like a man and move on.
She's wrong, I just don't know why we need to keep addressing that she was wrong. Her slap didn't hurt him, break his face, or give him an injury that will ruin his NFL career.
We only 'keep addressing' it because her part in it keeps getting either dismissed or downplayed when it was her actions... no matter who light that action may have been... that brought on his reaction. Some don't seem to want to accept that though.
is that I am aware she is the victim. You however say she is to blame. What she did was harmless, but her problem was not knowing that the other person was the scum of the earth.
Hey, don't walk down 42nd street, there are bad people down there. If you do and you get mugged or killed...it's your fault.
She is a victim... but she also to blame. He didn't just walk up to her and hit her... his punch was a retaliation for her push and slap. Was it an overreaction on his part? Yeah... that I agree completely with. But that doesn't absolve her of the blame she deserves because she put her hands on him first!
Wow.
Let me try to put it this way... and see if it helps you guys
Just as we can all agree that the push and slap (or, smh, half slap if you want to call it that) that the girl gave to Mixon didn't deserve for her to receive a full on punch in the mouth from him... can we also agree that Mixon calling her friend a gay slur didn't deserve a push and a slap (or half-slap) from the girl?
all over this thread. It was 100% harmless. She barely touches him. That fact that you are trying to make it sound way worse than it is, is telling to me.
much of a problem if Mixon pushed her away lightly.
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Ok... so let me ask you this... had Mixon simply slapped her back... would that be ok?
If he's pushing her aside as a way to extract himself and it is done without harm, I don't see a problem there. A slap gets into a discussion about raising a hand and all that.
Just as if a youth pushed me, I'd probably just push my way around him without doing anything that could constitute harm.
Call it apples to oranges, but if a person doesn't know their strength relative to another person, that's a big issue.
all over this thread. It was 100% harmless. She barely touches him. That fact that you are trying to make it sound way worse than it is, is telling to me.
The point... which you've been consistently missing... is that she shouldn't have put her hands on him in the first place.
You or anyone else want to 2:41 post? Or are we going to conveniently skip it?
Keith, there are two stories from two different parties
all we have to go off is the video. The stuff prior is very much murky.
To me, anything that happens before or after the video is irrelevant. Racial slur, gay slur, doesn't matter. Those are reasons for people to be agitated. She touches him, nothing that can inflict any sort of harm(luckily there wasn't any soda spilled on the ground to end his career). For a man to do that to a woman, says antyhing I need to know about him. Her fault is not realizing that people are POS and bad, bad people. It's not her fault she got laid out.
much of a problem if Mixon pushed her away lightly.
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Ok... so let me ask you this... had Mixon simply slapped her back... would that be ok?
If he's pushing her aside as a way to extract himself and it is done without harm, I don't see a problem there. A slap gets into a discussion about raising a hand and all that.
Just as if a youth pushed me, I'd probably just push my way around him without doing anything that could constitute harm.
Call it apples to oranges, but if a person doesn't know their strength relative to another person, that's a big issue.
One would then argue that a smaller person should have the common sense to NOT touch.. must less push and slap... a bigger person.
RE: RE: Keith, there are two stories from two different parties
all we have to go off is the video. The stuff prior is very much murky.
To me, anything that happens before or after the video is irrelevant. Racial slur, gay slur, doesn't matter. Those are reasons for people to be agitated. She touches him, nothing that can inflict any sort of harm(luckily there wasn't any soda spilled on the ground to end his career). For a man to do that to a woman, says antyhing I need to know about him. Her fault is not realizing that people are POS and bad, bad people. It's not her fault she got laid out.
I was pretty much... not totally, but pretty much... with you until that last sentence.
That last sentence is wrong. It's COMPLETELY her fault she got laid out. If she doesn't 'touch' (soon it's gonna be she just breathed on him) him, he doesn't touch her. Therefore, it's ALL her fault she got laid out. I know it makes some of you uncomfortable to hear and accept that... but it's the truth.
hard for me to put much fault at anyone who doesn't use a closed fist to strike somebody and gets violently thrashed.
Any "what ifs" get dismissed as not being great parallels, but I keep going back to if somebody you're physically superior lashes out to you with a light push or a light slap, I just don't think you then can place blame. I mean, even if you get slapped hard by a woman, it is tough to justify.
If a Dad punches his son for discipline and gets an ass whooping back, people can see that point. If a mom slaps her son and the Son full on smashes her face with a punch in return, not many are going to see that as acceptable, and the Mom probably delivered the blow with force.
It isn't just the factor of being violent to a child, the elderly or a woman, it is the fact that the initial physicality didn't even pass any standard as being harmful.
Again, people will rip on scenarios, think about how many times you've been at a party or a bar and a drunk girl calls somebody an asshole and probably gives the old drunken push to them - they don't deserve to get cold-cocked, even if you think they are wrong for laying hands on somebody. Using that criteria, you can probably reason away any blunt force as a response to simply being touched.
hard for me to put much fault at anyone who doesn't use a closed fist to strike somebody and gets violently thrashed.
Any "what ifs" get dismissed as not being great parallels, but I keep going back to if somebody you're physically superior lashes out to you with a light push or a light slap, I just don't think you then can place blame. I mean, even if you get slapped hard by a woman, it is tough to justify.
If a Dad punches his son for discipline and gets an ass whooping back, people can see that point. If a mom slaps her son and the Son full on smashes her face with a punch in return, not many are going to see that as acceptable, and the Mom probably delivered the blow with force.
It isn't just the factor of being violent to a child, the elderly or a woman, it is the fact that the initial physicality didn't even pass any standard as being harmful.
Again, people will rip on scenarios, think about how many times you've been at a party or a bar and a drunk girl calls somebody an asshole and probably gives the old drunken push to them - they don't deserve to get cold-cocked, even if you think they are wrong for laying hands on somebody. Using that criteria, you can probably reason away any blunt force as a response to simply being touched.
You can dress it up as many different ways as you want... a person shouldn't put their hands on another person. Again, you keep wanting to put the onus on Mixon's punch... and I agree that it deserves more scrutiny and vitriol than her slap... but what I don't agree with is that it was within her right to touch him in any way, shape or form. Why this very simple point continues to elude some of you I have no idea.
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Any "what ifs" get dismissed as not being great parallels, but I keep going back to if somebody you're physically superior lashes out to you with a light push or a light slap, I just don't think you then can place blame. I mean, even if you get slapped hard by a woman, it is tough to justify.
Again... I agree that Mixon's punch wasn't necessary.
What I disagree with is how you don't place blame on her for putting her hands on him first because his reaction was stronger than you or I think it should've been. That's the part that is continuing to confuse me. His reaction doesn't justify her action.
If the girl or her associate called him a racial slur to kick things off, I'm less sympathetic, but acknowledge Mixon should have used better judgement and self control. Unfortunately, whether or not people on this board will acknowledge it or not, people have been known to use certain words to try to elicit a reaction, or they end up getting a much stronger reaction than they bargained for. I always think of the Westboro Baptist Church, they say shit to rile you up, but be sure to use every ounce of self control not to react, because they're trying to elicit a response to get litigious.
If the girl or her associate called him a racial slur to kick things off, I'm less sympathetic, but acknowledge Mixon should have used better judgement and self control. Unfortunately, whether or not people on this board will acknowledge it or not, people have been known to use certain words to try to elicit a reaction, or they end up getting a much stronger reaction than they bargained for. I always think of the Westboro Baptist Church, they say shit to rile you up, but be sure to use every ounce of self control not to react, because they're trying to elicit a response to get litigious.
I agree... Mixon was wrong.
So was she.
Mixon was perhaps more wrong than her (I think so) but that doesn't mean she wasn't wrong also.
But for some reason the last part of that sentence bothers some.
I think we both see two sides to a story from Mixon and Molitor's camp, and acknowledge that actions from BOTH parties built up to the end result we have here. I think you and I agree that Mixon holds the MOST culpability here. If it were a female member of my family or one of my friends that infact used a slur, and she got decked, I'd certainly have a bone to pick with the guy who threw hands, but also be looking at the girl like "you shouldn't have said that, what were you thinking?"
it is "dressing it up" to not think a woman making contact with somebody that doesn't do harm is wrong.
Call it dressing it up, but if a slight push is able to elicit a violent smashing, the problem isn't with the girl, and I'm not sure what value is there can be to say she's at fault X% or partially at fault. That's where the comparisons to old men and kids comes in. There are lines that aren't to be crossed, no matter what, and this is one of them.
And it is sort of a strange point to dwell on if the girl is at fault, because it doesn't lessen Mixon's culpability a single bit. Whether laying hands on somebody is 100% wrong, 50% wrong or 22.67539% wrong really doesn't matter.
I think we both see two sides to a story from Mixon and Molitor's camp, and acknowledge that actions from BOTH parties built up to the end result we have here. I think you and I agree that Mixon holds the MOST culpability here. If it were a female member of my family or one of my friends that infact used a slur, and she got decked, I'd certainly have a bone to pick with the guy who threw hands, but also be looking at the girl like "you shouldn't have said that, what were you thinking?"
Exactly!
For whatever reason, some here don't want to see the 'other' side. As if she had a right to put her hands on him because he called her friend a gay slur.
it is "dressing it up" to not think a woman making contact with somebody that doesn't do harm is wrong.
Call it dressing it up, but if a slight push is able to elicit a violent smashing, the problem isn't with the girl, and I'm not sure what value is there can be to say she's at fault X% or partially at fault. That's where the comparisons to old men and kids comes in. There are lines that aren't to be crossed, no matter what, and this is one of them.
And it is sort of a strange point to dwell on if the girl is at fault, because it doesn't lessen Mixon's culpability a single bit. Whether laying hands on somebody is 100% wrong, 50% wrong or 22.67539% wrong really doesn't matter.
See... where we disagree is thinking that she has a right to put her hands on him even if it's in a non-hurtful way. She has NO right to put her hands on him. Period. End of story.
The only reason why I'm 'dwelling' on it is because it appears no one wants to admit that she was in the wrong in the first place. I have no issue with anyone saying 'Yeah, what Mixon did was fucked up... but she shouldn't have put her hands on him.' but that's not something that I've seen said. All I've been hearing is how her putting her hands on him didn't hurt... and my point is that it doesn't matter whether it hurt or not... she shouldn't have put her hands on him period. Yeah... his punch went waaay over the line considering what she did to him... but the fact still remains that if she didn't touch him, he continues to walk away and doesn't touch her.
with being on here all the time, I still don't believe ALL MY POSTS in a year, add up to all the words you have typed on this thread..😎😎.
You must be exhausted, my friend..👏🏼👍😍
I'm not tired of typing as much as I'm exhausted trying to point out something that I think... or should I say thought... everyone would agree with... and that's that no one should put their hands on someone else in an aggressive manner (whether that be a push, slight push, slap, half slap or any other way that's been described by some here) unless they're prepared to suffer whatever consequences may come from their action(s). Whoopi Goldberg does a great job of explaining exactly what I mean in the video at the bottom of the link I shared earlier in this thread. If the Molitor doesn't put her hands on Mixon, Mixon doesn't put his hands on her and this incident doesn't happen. That's a fact. But yet it's a fact that seems to bother some.
Is she a POS for pushing him the first time? Hard to tell based on what we saw, but it was a mistake for sure.
She pushes, he spits on her which is disgraceful and then she half slaps him(you can clearly see she lets up and rethinks it midway through).
I'm not sure why you keep comparing the two of them, what she did doesn't come close to what he did. Maybe if he was walking his dog and she killed the dog you can compare it, but her pushing him as soft as she did doesn't compare to a man punching a woman in the face.
What he did=makes him a POS to the highest degree
Is she a POS for pushing him the first time? Hard to tell based on what we saw, but it was a mistake for sure.
She pushes, he spits on her which is disgraceful and then she half slaps him(you can clearly see she lets up and rethinks it midway through).
I'm not sure why you keep comparing the two of them, what she did doesn't come close to what he did. Maybe if he was walking his dog and she killed the dog you can compare it, but her pushing him as soft as she did doesn't compare to a man punching a woman in the face.
*sigh*
I give up. I just... I just don't know what to say anymore. The only time I've 'compared' their respective hits is when I've said that Mixon's was infinitely worse than hers. I've said that more than a few times.
And 'half slap'? Really?
What he did=makes him a POS to the highest degree
And that's the problem. What she did was flat out wrong. Period. Stop. End of story.
You've never seen an angry or frustrated person lash out in a non-harmful way? Watch a toddler after somebody removes a toy from their hands. If they swing at you, can you just bash their head into the wall?
An old man gets angry and whips his cane to your leg at .025mph. Do you break the stick over his head?
You get pushed by a child, an old man or a woman in a manner that doesn't cause harm, you let it go. You don't deliver a blow that can kill them.
I really, really want to Keith. I really do. I'm just shocked that some of the same posters who will post on this site "I don't understand why no one's allowed to criticize Eli on this site without getting flamed!" are some of the very same people are have a problem with me pointing that the girl is not COMPLETELY blameless in what happened. THAT's what seems to bother people and I'm very confused by it. The statement 'Keep your hands to yourself' seems to only apply to a particular sex... which I wasn't taught but perhaps some are.
IT DOESN'T MATTER!!!!!!!!!! SHE SHOULDN'T HAVE PUT HER HANDS ON HIM PERIOD!!!!!!!!
Her actions were pretty harmless. The lesson that she needs to learn is that there are people that are POS and do bad things so keep your hands to yourself so you aren't a victim.
Yes. But I wouldn't classify another person hitting another person and 'non-harmful'. You don't know what kind of physical condition that person that's being hit is in. Since we're all getting into 'what if's' now (which I've said I wasn't interested in doing), what if she pushed him and he slips on a soda on the floor and breaks his arm or neck. Was the push still not 'harmful'? Why not just keep your hands to yourself?
Apples to oranges.
This one is at least closer than the other one but the old man has no right to hit me with that cane no matter how angry he may be. You think he does?
Ok... so let me ask you this... had Mixon simply slapped her back... would that be ok?
If the girl had pulled a knife on Mixon and tried to stab him, would he have been justified in using his full force to punch her?
IT DOESN'T MATTER! SHE SHOULDN'T HAVE PUT HER HAND ON HIM PERIOD!!!!!
You guys are just fucking with me at this point right? Please tell me you are. Because you're basically saying that it was ok for her to push and slap him because he called her friend a gay slur. Right?
I hear what your saying UConn but that's because people don't want to hear that she bares some blame in what happened. And I'm sorry that the statement bothers them so... but it's true. Ignoring her actions... which caused his (over)reaction... is wrong. It's what started the his act of punching her. Why this continues to be excused it both telling and alarming.
Her actions were pretty harmless. The lesson that she needs to learn is that there are people that are POS and do bad things so keep your hands to yourself so you aren't a victim.
You finally get it!!!!!! THANK YOU!!!!!
She's wrong, I just don't know why we need to keep addressing that she was wrong. Her slap didn't hurt him, break his face, or give him an injury that will ruin his NFL career.
Ok... maybe you don't get it... because no matter how harmless what she did was... if she just keeps her hands to herself... she doesn't have to worry about getting hit. Period.
Hey, don't walk down 42nd street, there are bad people down there. If you do and you get mugged or killed...it's your fault.
She's wrong, I just don't know why we need to keep addressing that she was wrong. Her slap didn't hurt him, break his face, or give him an injury that will ruin his NFL career.
We only 'keep addressing' it because her part in it keeps getting either dismissed or downplayed when it was her actions... no matter who light that action may have been... that brought on his reaction. Some don't seem to want to accept that though.
Hey, don't walk down 42nd street, there are bad people down there. If you do and you get mugged or killed...it's your fault.
She is a victim... but she also to blame. He didn't just walk up to her and hit her... his punch was a retaliation for her push and slap. Was it an overreaction on his part? Yeah... that I agree completely with. But that doesn't absolve her of the blame she deserves because she put her hands on him first!
Wow.
Just as we can all agree that the push and slap (or, smh, half slap if you want to call it that) that the girl gave to Mixon didn't deserve for her to receive a full on punch in the mouth from him... can we also agree that Mixon calling her friend a gay slur didn't deserve a push and a slap (or half-slap) from the girl?
Can we all agree on that?
Now it wasn't even a push.
And you mean that's when she 'half slapped him' right?
By tomorrow the story is going to be he just walked up to her and punched her for no reason.
If he's pushing her aside as a way to extract himself and it is done without harm, I don't see a problem there. A slap gets into a discussion about raising a hand and all that.
Just as if a youth pushed me, I'd probably just push my way around him without doing anything that could constitute harm.
Call it apples to oranges, but if a person doesn't know their strength relative to another person, that's a big issue.
The point... which you've been consistently missing... is that she shouldn't have put her hands on him in the first place.
You or anyone else want to 2:41 post? Or are we going to conveniently skip it?
We must be looking at two different videos.
Well she denies that was said (which of course means it's true) so I've been leaving that part out.
To me, anything that happens before or after the video is irrelevant. Racial slur, gay slur, doesn't matter. Those are reasons for people to be agitated. She touches him, nothing that can inflict any sort of harm(luckily there wasn't any soda spilled on the ground to end his career). For a man to do that to a woman, says antyhing I need to know about him. Her fault is not realizing that people are POS and bad, bad people. It's not her fault she got laid out.
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Ok... so let me ask you this... had Mixon simply slapped her back... would that be ok?
If he's pushing her aside as a way to extract himself and it is done without harm, I don't see a problem there. A slap gets into a discussion about raising a hand and all that.
Just as if a youth pushed me, I'd probably just push my way around him without doing anything that could constitute harm.
Call it apples to oranges, but if a person doesn't know their strength relative to another person, that's a big issue.
One would then argue that a smaller person should have the common sense to NOT touch.. must less push and slap... a bigger person.
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all we have to go off is the video. The stuff prior is very much murky.
To me, anything that happens before or after the video is irrelevant. Racial slur, gay slur, doesn't matter. Those are reasons for people to be agitated. She touches him, nothing that can inflict any sort of harm(luckily there wasn't any soda spilled on the ground to end his career). For a man to do that to a woman, says antyhing I need to know about him. Her fault is not realizing that people are POS and bad, bad people. It's not her fault she got laid out.
I was pretty much... not totally, but pretty much... with you until that last sentence.
That last sentence is wrong. It's COMPLETELY her fault she got laid out. If she doesn't 'touch' (soon it's gonna be she just breathed on him) him, he doesn't touch her. Therefore, it's ALL her fault she got laid out. I know it makes some of you uncomfortable to hear and accept that... but it's the truth.
Any "what ifs" get dismissed as not being great parallels, but I keep going back to if somebody you're physically superior lashes out to you with a light push or a light slap, I just don't think you then can place blame. I mean, even if you get slapped hard by a woman, it is tough to justify.
If a Dad punches his son for discipline and gets an ass whooping back, people can see that point. If a mom slaps her son and the Son full on smashes her face with a punch in return, not many are going to see that as acceptable, and the Mom probably delivered the blow with force.
It isn't just the factor of being violent to a child, the elderly or a woman, it is the fact that the initial physicality didn't even pass any standard as being harmful.
Again, people will rip on scenarios, think about how many times you've been at a party or a bar and a drunk girl calls somebody an asshole and probably gives the old drunken push to them - they don't deserve to get cold-cocked, even if you think they are wrong for laying hands on somebody. Using that criteria, you can probably reason away any blunt force as a response to simply being touched.
Any "what ifs" get dismissed as not being great parallels, but I keep going back to if somebody you're physically superior lashes out to you with a light push or a light slap, I just don't think you then can place blame. I mean, even if you get slapped hard by a woman, it is tough to justify.
If a Dad punches his son for discipline and gets an ass whooping back, people can see that point. If a mom slaps her son and the Son full on smashes her face with a punch in return, not many are going to see that as acceptable, and the Mom probably delivered the blow with force.
It isn't just the factor of being violent to a child, the elderly or a woman, it is the fact that the initial physicality didn't even pass any standard as being harmful.
Again, people will rip on scenarios, think about how many times you've been at a party or a bar and a drunk girl calls somebody an asshole and probably gives the old drunken push to them - they don't deserve to get cold-cocked, even if you think they are wrong for laying hands on somebody. Using that criteria, you can probably reason away any blunt force as a response to simply being touched.
You can dress it up as many different ways as you want... a person shouldn't put their hands on another person. Again, you keep wanting to put the onus on Mixon's punch... and I agree that it deserves more scrutiny and vitriol than her slap... but what I don't agree with is that it was within her right to touch him in any way, shape or form. Why this very simple point continues to elude some of you I have no idea.
Again... I agree that Mixon's punch wasn't necessary.
What I disagree with is how you don't place blame on her for putting her hands on him first because his reaction was stronger than you or I think it should've been. That's the part that is continuing to confuse me. His reaction doesn't justify her action.
I agree... Mixon was wrong.
So was she.
Mixon was perhaps more wrong than her (I think so) but that doesn't mean she wasn't wrong also.
But for some reason the last part of that sentence bothers some.
Call it dressing it up, but if a slight push is able to elicit a violent smashing, the problem isn't with the girl, and I'm not sure what value is there can be to say she's at fault X% or partially at fault. That's where the comparisons to old men and kids comes in. There are lines that aren't to be crossed, no matter what, and this is one of them.
And it is sort of a strange point to dwell on if the girl is at fault, because it doesn't lessen Mixon's culpability a single bit. Whether laying hands on somebody is 100% wrong, 50% wrong or 22.67539% wrong really doesn't matter.
You must be exhausted, my friend..👏🏼👍😍
Exactly!
For whatever reason, some here don't want to see the 'other' side. As if she had a right to put her hands on him because he called her friend a gay slur.
Call it dressing it up, but if a slight push is able to elicit a violent smashing, the problem isn't with the girl, and I'm not sure what value is there can be to say she's at fault X% or partially at fault. That's where the comparisons to old men and kids comes in. There are lines that aren't to be crossed, no matter what, and this is one of them.
And it is sort of a strange point to dwell on if the girl is at fault, because it doesn't lessen Mixon's culpability a single bit. Whether laying hands on somebody is 100% wrong, 50% wrong or 22.67539% wrong really doesn't matter.
See... where we disagree is thinking that she has a right to put her hands on him even if it's in a non-hurtful way. She has NO right to put her hands on him. Period. End of story.
The only reason why I'm 'dwelling' on it is because it appears no one wants to admit that she was in the wrong in the first place. I have no issue with anyone saying 'Yeah, what Mixon did was fucked up... but she shouldn't have put her hands on him.' but that's not something that I've seen said. All I've been hearing is how her putting her hands on him didn't hurt... and my point is that it doesn't matter whether it hurt or not... she shouldn't have put her hands on him period. Yeah... his punch went waaay over the line considering what she did to him... but the fact still remains that if she didn't touch him, he continues to walk away and doesn't touch her.
You must be exhausted, my friend..👏🏼👍😍
I'm not tired of typing as much as I'm exhausted trying to point out something that I think... or should I say thought... everyone would agree with... and that's that no one should put their hands on someone else in an aggressive manner (whether that be a push, slight push, slap, half slap or any other way that's been described by some here) unless they're prepared to suffer whatever consequences may come from their action(s). Whoopi Goldberg does a great job of explaining exactly what I mean in the video at the bottom of the link I shared earlier in this thread. If the Molitor doesn't put her hands on Mixon, Mixon doesn't put his hands on her and this incident doesn't happen. That's a fact. But yet it's a fact that seems to bother some.