Just as we can all agree that the push and slap (or, smh, half slap if you want to call it that) that the girl gave to Mixon didn't deserve for her to receive a full on punch in the mouth from him... can we also agree that Mixon calling her friend a gay slur didn't deserve a push and a slap (or half-slap) from the girl?
Can we all agree on that?
Yes, just so someone can answer you. We can agree on that. But i've said that repeatedly anyway.
My problem is the argument isn't over there. It allows you to make your point, and I guess that's great. The larger issue is what Mixon did in response to that.
Like it or not, stuff like this happens all the time and rarely does it end in a woman's face getting broken.
RE: Let me try to put it this way... and see if it helps you guys
Just as we can all agree that the push and slap (or, smh, half slap if you want to call it that) that the girl gave to Mixon didn't deserve for her to receive a full on punch in the mouth from him... can we also agree that Mixon calling her friend a gay slur didn't deserve a push and a slap (or half-slap) from the girl?
Can we all agree on that?
Interesting that some people seem to believe that he was called a gay slur, but the possibility that the n word was used is just brushed aside.
RE: RE: Let me try to put it this way... and see if it helps you guys
Just as we can all agree that the push and slap (or, smh, half slap if you want to call it that) that the girl gave to Mixon didn't deserve for her to receive a full on punch in the mouth from him... can we also agree that Mixon calling her friend a gay slur didn't deserve a push and a slap (or half-slap) from the girl?
Can we all agree on that?
Yes, just so someone can answer you. We can agree on that. But i've said that repeatedly anyway.
My problem is the argument isn't over there. It allows you to make your point, and I guess that's great. The larger issue is what Mixon did in response to that.
Like it or not, stuff like this happens all the time and rarely does it end in a woman's face getting broken.
Thank you. Whether you've been agreeing with it or not, it doesn't appear that it's even been part of the argument for most. What Mixon did may be the larger issue but it's not the only issue and the fact that some have tried to soften, if not completely ignore, her role in what happened is what my problem is.
If stuff like this happens 'all the time' then more people need to understand that they need to keep their hands to themselves... and that goes for men AND women (and even kids, and old folks and....). When my almost 2 year old son hits one of the other kids I don't say 'Well he's 2, so it's ok.'. No, I tell him it's not right to hit other kids even if he is smaller than them because one day one of the bigger ones may get tired of it and hit him back... and he'll have deserved it.
RE: RE: Let me try to put it this way... and see if it helps you guys
Just as we can all agree that the push and slap (or, smh, half slap if you want to call it that) that the girl gave to Mixon didn't deserve for her to receive a full on punch in the mouth from him... can we also agree that Mixon calling her friend a gay slur didn't deserve a push and a slap (or half-slap) from the girl?
Can we all agree on that?
Interesting that some people seem to believe that he was called a gay slur, but the possibility that the n word was used is just brushed aside.
Oh yeah... it's easy to believe the big, bad football player called someone a gay slur... but the pretty, blond girl calling someone that?
to protect the innocent Mixon, but who are you referring to with regards to the gay slur and racial slur? Maybe I missed it, but where is it that people are attackign him for the gay slur, but glancing over the racial slur? Just curious.
even with all that said, even if she had called him a racial slur, it still wouldn't have given him the right to put his hands on her... just as it wasn't her right to put her hands on him for calling her friend a gay slur.
to protect the innocent Mixon, but who are you referring to with regards to the gay slur and racial slur? Maybe I missed it, but where is it that people are attackign him for the gay slur, but glancing over the racial slur? Just curious.
Here is what i agree with: she should not have touched him.
Here is where you lose me on this one: when you said she "earned" her broken jaw
My read is that you conflate those two items and on the second I think you are very wrong to equate her wrong with a 230 pound athlete slugging anyone with malicious intent.
Hope you are well TBone. Over the years we have often agreed. I am sure we will often in the years ahead.
Here is what i agree with: she should not have touched him.
Here is where you lose me on this one: when you said she "earned" her broken jaw
My read is that you conflate those two items and on the second I think you are very wrong to equate her wrong with a 230 pound athlete slugging anyone with malicious intent.
Hope you are well TBone. Over the years we have often agreed. I am sure we will often in the years ahead.
Ok... I can see how me saying she 'earned' what she got would rub some the wrong way and I think I'd like to admit that using that word was a mistake and would like to retract it because it implies that I believe she deserved to be hit by Mixon the way he hit her (which I don't think she did). My bad on that one and I retract that statement.
I'm glad at least a few are able to see my point. It was never to belittle or negate what Mixon did... which I've said repeatedly since I got involved in this topic. But what's bothered me is the seemingly lack of responsibility put on Molitor for putting her hands on him in the first place. I just don't think that's fair not only to Mixon (who honestly, I don't really care much about being fair to) but to all men who have had women put their hands on them. Just as we shouldn't put our hands on them, they shouldn't put their hands on us. That's all I've been saying the whole time.
I'm ok and I hope you are as well. It makes me feel a bit better to see that you get, understand and agree with what I've been trying to say because you've always been one of the more level-headed posters ever to grace this site and if you disagreed with me I'd have felt the need to really re-evaluate my position on this topic. Take care and God bless.
TBone. All good. I just thought that was the mis wording that got folks tangled up in what you were trying to say.
I especially liked your point about guidance to daughters and women. As girls appropriately are "allowed" to express themselves in sports and generally it is possible ( especially if prone to impulsive when out with friends) to mistake the positives of "gurl power" with the distinct difference in possible outcomes if a guy gets equally mouthy and prone to bravado.
I am somehow reminded of a guy I knew who worked in one of the Northeasts worse prisons for hardened cases. " These young guys make a mistake and go to far after years of being able to knock over little old ladies and or dominate store owners when with their group. They are used to being aggressors and living with defiant swagger. Then they come in here and for the first time in their lives they are the hunted in a zoo with real actual nothing to lose hard hard men. For the first time they get to know what its like to have a predator walking behind you and a group of them walking towards you."
Oklahoma RB Joe Mixon reached a civil settlement with the woman he punched in 2014.
Amelia Molitor filed a lawsuit against Mixon after he struck her during an altercation in July of 2014. In a joint statement, both parties announced that the lawsuit has been "amicably resolved and dismissed." Mixon said he apologized to Molitor for his actions in a 1-on-1 meeting. "The way I reacted that night, that's not me," said Mixon. "That's not the way I was raised. I think she understands that." Mixon no longer has a lawsuit hanging over his head, but it's still unclear how NFL teams view him in the wake of this disturbing incident
TBone. All good. I just thought that was the mis wording that got folks tangled up in what you were trying to say.
I especially liked your point about guidance to daughters and women. As girls appropriately are "allowed" to express themselves in sports and generally it is possible ( especially if prone to impulsive when out with friends) to mistake the positives of "gurl power" with the distinct difference in possible outcomes if a guy gets equally mouthy and prone to bravado.
I am somehow reminded of a guy I knew who worked in one of the Northeasts worse prisons for hardened cases. " These young guys make a mistake and go to far after years of being able to knock over little old ladies and or dominate store owners when with their group. They are used to being aggressors and living with defiant swagger. Then they come in here and for the first time in their lives they are the hunted in a zoo with real actual nothing to lose hard hard men. For the first time they get to know what its like to have a predator walking behind you and a group of them walking towards you."
Take care my friend
I believe you understand what I'm trying to say. All I'm trying to say is that this whole incident should be just as much a teaching moment for Moliter as it should be for Mixon. Only after hours of arguing have some begrudgingly agree with me that she deserves at least some blame when absolutely none was being given. I know. I've paid attention to the other Mixon threads but never said anything because, frankly, I've been too busy. I'm not sure I saw it pointed out once that although Mixon overreacted (big time) it should be noted that the woman put her hands on him first. That's not to imply anything more or less and she needs to understand that if you don't want to have some one put their hands on you, don't put your hands on them. That's not excusing or defending what Mixon did at all. I can't make that point clearer.
I'm hoping the recent settlement they reached brings some closure for both of them and they both learned a lesson from this incident.
Oklahoma RB Joe Mixon reached a civil settlement with the woman he punched in 2014.
Amelia Molitor filed a lawsuit against Mixon after he struck her during an altercation in July of 2014. In a joint statement, both parties announced that the lawsuit has been "amicably resolved and dismissed." Mixon said he apologized to Molitor for his actions in a 1-on-1 meeting. "The way I reacted that night, that's not me," said Mixon. "That's not the way I was raised. I think she understands that." Mixon no longer has a lawsuit hanging over his head, but it's still unclear how NFL teams view him in the wake of this disturbing incident
Just as we can all agree that the push and slap (or, smh, half slap if you want to call it that) that the girl gave to Mixon didn't deserve for her to receive a full on punch in the mouth from him... can we also agree that Mixon calling her friend a gay slur didn't deserve a push and a slap (or half-slap) from the girl?
Can we all agree on that?
Yes, just so someone can answer you. We can agree on that. But i've said that repeatedly anyway.
My problem is the argument isn't over there. It allows you to make your point, and I guess that's great. The larger issue is what Mixon did in response to that.
Like it or not, stuff like this happens all the time and rarely does it end in a woman's face getting broken.
Just as we can all agree that the push and slap (or, smh, half slap if you want to call it that) that the girl gave to Mixon didn't deserve for her to receive a full on punch in the mouth from him... can we also agree that Mixon calling her friend a gay slur didn't deserve a push and a slap (or half-slap) from the girl?
Can we all agree on that?
Interesting that some people seem to believe that he was called a gay slur, but the possibility that the n word was used is just brushed aside.
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understand my point.
Just as we can all agree that the push and slap (or, smh, half slap if you want to call it that) that the girl gave to Mixon didn't deserve for her to receive a full on punch in the mouth from him... can we also agree that Mixon calling her friend a gay slur didn't deserve a push and a slap (or half-slap) from the girl?
Can we all agree on that?
Yes, just so someone can answer you. We can agree on that. But i've said that repeatedly anyway.
My problem is the argument isn't over there. It allows you to make your point, and I guess that's great. The larger issue is what Mixon did in response to that.
Like it or not, stuff like this happens all the time and rarely does it end in a woman's face getting broken.
Thank you. Whether you've been agreeing with it or not, it doesn't appear that it's even been part of the argument for most. What Mixon did may be the larger issue but it's not the only issue and the fact that some have tried to soften, if not completely ignore, her role in what happened is what my problem is.
If stuff like this happens 'all the time' then more people need to understand that they need to keep their hands to themselves... and that goes for men AND women (and even kids, and old folks and....). When my almost 2 year old son hits one of the other kids I don't say 'Well he's 2, so it's ok.'. No, I tell him it's not right to hit other kids even if he is smaller than them because one day one of the bigger ones may get tired of it and hit him back... and he'll have deserved it.
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understand my point.
Just as we can all agree that the push and slap (or, smh, half slap if you want to call it that) that the girl gave to Mixon didn't deserve for her to receive a full on punch in the mouth from him... can we also agree that Mixon calling her friend a gay slur didn't deserve a push and a slap (or half-slap) from the girl?
Can we all agree on that?
Interesting that some people seem to believe that he was called a gay slur, but the possibility that the n word was used is just brushed aside.
Oh yeah... it's easy to believe the big, bad football player called someone a gay slur... but the pretty, blond girl calling someone that?
We're done Keith. Have a great weekend!
Here is where you lose me on this one: when you said she "earned" her broken jaw
My read is that you conflate those two items and on the second I think you are very wrong to equate her wrong with a 230 pound athlete slugging anyone with malicious intent.
Hope you are well TBone. Over the years we have often agreed. I am sure we will often in the years ahead.
Here is where you lose me on this one: when you said she "earned" her broken jaw
My read is that you conflate those two items and on the second I think you are very wrong to equate her wrong with a 230 pound athlete slugging anyone with malicious intent.
Hope you are well TBone. Over the years we have often agreed. I am sure we will often in the years ahead.
Ok... I can see how me saying she 'earned' what she got would rub some the wrong way and I think I'd like to admit that using that word was a mistake and would like to retract it because it implies that I believe she deserved to be hit by Mixon the way he hit her (which I don't think she did). My bad on that one and I retract that statement.
I'm glad at least a few are able to see my point. It was never to belittle or negate what Mixon did... which I've said repeatedly since I got involved in this topic. But what's bothered me is the seemingly lack of responsibility put on Molitor for putting her hands on him in the first place. I just don't think that's fair not only to Mixon (who honestly, I don't really care much about being fair to) but to all men who have had women put their hands on them. Just as we shouldn't put our hands on them, they shouldn't put their hands on us. That's all I've been saying the whole time.
I'm ok and I hope you are as well. It makes me feel a bit better to see that you get, understand and agree with what I've been trying to say because you've always been one of the more level-headed posters ever to grace this site and if you disagreed with me I'd have felt the need to really re-evaluate my position on this topic. Take care and God bless.
I especially liked your point about guidance to daughters and women. As girls appropriately are "allowed" to express themselves in sports and generally it is possible ( especially if prone to impulsive when out with friends) to mistake the positives of "gurl power" with the distinct difference in possible outcomes if a guy gets equally mouthy and prone to bravado.
I am somehow reminded of a guy I knew who worked in one of the Northeasts worse prisons for hardened cases. " These young guys make a mistake and go to far after years of being able to knock over little old ladies and or dominate store owners when with their group. They are used to being aggressors and living with defiant swagger. Then they come in here and for the first time in their lives they are the hunted in a zoo with real actual nothing to lose hard hard men. For the first time they get to know what its like to have a predator walking behind you and a group of them walking towards you."
Take care my friend
Oklahoma RB Joe Mixon reached a civil settlement with the woman he punched in 2014.
Amelia Molitor filed a lawsuit against Mixon after he struck her during an altercation in July of 2014. In a joint statement, both parties announced that the lawsuit has been "amicably resolved and dismissed." Mixon said he apologized to Molitor for his actions in a 1-on-1 meeting. "The way I reacted that night, that's not me," said Mixon. "That's not the way I was raised. I think she understands that." Mixon no longer has a lawsuit hanging over his head, but it's still unclear how NFL teams view him in the wake of this disturbing incident
I especially liked your point about guidance to daughters and women. As girls appropriately are "allowed" to express themselves in sports and generally it is possible ( especially if prone to impulsive when out with friends) to mistake the positives of "gurl power" with the distinct difference in possible outcomes if a guy gets equally mouthy and prone to bravado.
I am somehow reminded of a guy I knew who worked in one of the Northeasts worse prisons for hardened cases. " These young guys make a mistake and go to far after years of being able to knock over little old ladies and or dominate store owners when with their group. They are used to being aggressors and living with defiant swagger. Then they come in here and for the first time in their lives they are the hunted in a zoo with real actual nothing to lose hard hard men. For the first time they get to know what its like to have a predator walking behind you and a group of them walking towards you."
Take care my friend
I believe you understand what I'm trying to say. All I'm trying to say is that this whole incident should be just as much a teaching moment for Moliter as it should be for Mixon. Only after hours of arguing have some begrudgingly agree with me that she deserves at least some blame when absolutely none was being given. I know. I've paid attention to the other Mixon threads but never said anything because, frankly, I've been too busy. I'm not sure I saw it pointed out once that although Mixon overreacted (big time) it should be noted that the woman put her hands on him first. That's not to imply anything more or less and she needs to understand that if you don't want to have some one put their hands on you, don't put your hands on them. That's not excusing or defending what Mixon did at all. I can't make that point clearer.
I'm hoping the recent settlement they reached brings some closure for both of them and they both learned a lesson from this incident.
Have a good weekend!
T-bone I agree with you 100%. 2 wrongs don't make s right.
They were both wrong.
I chalk it up to society. I know I was brought up way different than a lot of kids back in the 50's/60's and today.
Some things never change.
Oklahoma RB Joe Mixon reached a civil settlement with the woman he punched in 2014.
Amelia Molitor filed a lawsuit against Mixon after he struck her during an altercation in July of 2014. In a joint statement, both parties announced that the lawsuit has been "amicably resolved and dismissed." Mixon said he apologized to Molitor for his actions in a 1-on-1 meeting. "The way I reacted that night, that's not me," said Mixon. "That's not the way I was raised. I think she understands that." Mixon no longer has a lawsuit hanging over his head, but it's still unclear how NFL teams view him in the wake of this disturbing incident
Wow
I wonder how much that cost Jerry Jones?