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NFT: Mets vs Phils Gm 2 - better HIT thread!

spike : 4/19/2017 7:41 pm
Looks like losing 4 in a row and back to 500 got us all down a bit on the Mets. Let's see if Gazelleman has a bounce back start from his last outing.

Lineup
Grandy
Cabrera
Cespedes
Bruce
Walker
Duda
Reyes
TDA
Gsellman



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I just don't understand Collins  
Rflairr : 4/19/2017 7:47 pm : link
Why is Conforto sitting against a pitcher he destroys
RE: I just don't understand Collins  
spike : 4/19/2017 7:57 pm : link
In comment 13434779 Rflairr said:
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Why is Conforto sitting against a pitcher he destroys


He has to bench the ice cold Granderson for Conforto.
Key to shutting down the mets bats  
spike : 4/19/2017 8:04 pm : link
Cold weather!
"Terry, is there anything different about the team approach?"  
PhiPsi125 : 4/19/2017 8:10 pm : link
TC: "Yeah, we are not hitting HRs."

And that's all you need to know about what this team is all about. The same philosophy that produced the 26th ranked offense last year.

Such a shame too. This team is too talented to be stunted by an awful, ineffective offensive philosophy.
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Earl the goat : 4/19/2017 8:15 pm : link
In comment 13434798 PhiPsi125 said:
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TC: "Yeah, we are not hitting HRs."

And that's all you need to know about what this team is all about. The same philosophy that produced the 26th ranked offense last year.

Such a shame too. This team is too talented to be stunted by an awful, ineffective offensive philosophy.


Part of the blame needs to go to Alderson
There is no team speed. No lead off hitter and simply no way to manufacture runs

But I agree. Collins moves are questionable
If Shecky is lurking around, I'd love to know your  
PhiPsi125 : 4/19/2017 8:16 pm : link
thoughts on the Mets "boom or bust" hitting philosophy.

It really seems like we are destined to repeat history of last season. Having to hear the same conversations from the booth about only scoring 2.5 runs per game over X games is disheartening. And it's only game 15, lol.
RE: If Shecky is lurking around, I'd love to know your  
Shecky : 4/19/2017 8:20 pm : link
In comment 13434803 PhiPsi125 said:
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thoughts on the Mets "boom or bust" hitting philosophy.

It really seems like we are destined to repeat history of last season. Having to hear the same conversations from the booth about only scoring 2.5 runs per game over X games is disheartening. And it's only game 15, lol.


I hate it, always have. Been pretty clear about that the last few years. But I will say - get used to it. Stats have "proven it works" and the rest of baseball is now fly ball happy.

Personally, I'd have built this team on pitching like they have. And modeled after the 80's Cardinals. Would have gone that route the second they decided to build Citifield. Would have been a MASSIVE home field advantage. Instead - the rebuilt the stadium. Twice.
Yeah, Earl. I wasn't even blaming Collins if you can believe it.  
PhiPsi125 : 4/19/2017 8:23 pm : link
This comes from the top I can only assume. Everyone knows my views on TC so there is no reason to get into that. But it would seem that they have learned nothing from last years debacle.

As for speed and leadoff hitting, I feel like the game is changing. I don't there is as much importance on the leadoff hitter as there used to be. But they still need to get on base. They aren't the slowest team in the world (I think) but they don't employ smart baserunning either. Need to go first to third more on hits. Need to hit and run more. Create some offense, especially when things are getting stale.
Really thought the Mets would start to heat  
ZGiants98 : 4/19/2017 8:26 pm : link
when they had first got to Miami. NOPE. Not yet. They might be more cold now than ever. lol

I hate to place blame on one guy... but when the team is ice cold like this you got to turn to your superstar you are paying 25 million dollars to to lighten the load a bit. It's not fair. Everyone is hot and cold in a season but Cespedes gets just as cold as anyone and deserves more of the heat.

He'll be fine but the longer this continues the larger the spotlight will grow.
Thanks Shecky  
PhiPsi125 : 4/19/2017 8:28 pm : link
Sometimes I think that the reliance on stats ruins the game at some point. I'm staring at that new fly ball philosophy not working. And it makes the game boring. Why base your hitting philosophy on such a low percentage play (the HR)? I'm with you in hating it.
Jesus Christ, Reyes.  
PhiPsi125 : 4/19/2017 8:31 pm : link
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I want more OBP guys in the lineup as much as anyone  
ZGiants98 : 4/19/2017 8:32 pm : link
It's one of the reasons Im excited for the future. I genuinely hope Cheech, Nimmo, Conforto, and Smith are going to end up pushing their way into spots eventually. The lineup is all screwed up though right now. Why is Duda, one of your best OBP guys, batting 6th or 7th? Makes no sense. Oh well. Mets will be there in the end. Im trying not to get caught up in too much day to day stuff and just enjoy it. Hard to believe we've only played 14 games. It's a long season. As cold as we are now we'll be equally as hot eventually.
Im much more paranoid  
ZGiants98 : 4/19/2017 8:35 pm : link
about just staying healthy. I think most of these guys stats will be there in the end. I also dont think it's likely all 8 guys get hot at the same time or cold at the same time once we get into the summer months. As long as everyone is in the lineup the chances of a few of them being hot and even carrying us for stretches are pretty high IMO. Just how I look at it.
Geez, I hope Duda is okay and it's not serious but does any guy  
PhiPsi125 : 4/19/2017 8:36 pm : link
play through a little hurty anymore? You never used to see guys take themselves out of the game in the past. Hard-nosed players went away once the millions of $$$ started, lol.
Studies look at it cumulative  
Shecky : 4/19/2017 8:37 pm : link
Through a full season. Winning 15-2, then losing 5 out of 6 by one run each. Well, I don't buy it. But I'm old school on that. Big time. I love doubles hitters, don't care as much for the homer in as most. I LOVE watching a guy go first to third on a ball abit in the rite center gap. To me, that's exciting. But I understand very few in baseball think like I do. And way fewer fans think like I do.

Just get to the playoffs. Then 50/50 chance your bats are hot and you go down in history.
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arcarsenal : 4/19/2017 8:37 pm : link
Man this team is not fun to watch right now.
RE: Geez, I hope Duda is okay and it's not serious but does any guy  
Shecky : 4/19/2017 8:38 pm : link
In comment 13434819 PhiPsi125 said:
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play through a little hurty anymore? You never used to see guys take themselves out of the game in the past. Hard-nosed players went away once the millions of $$$ started, lol.


Don't go there Phi. I almost got yelled about that exact same thing this morning lol
RE: Studies look at it cumulative  
PhiPsi125 : 4/19/2017 8:39 pm : link
In comment 13434820 Shecky said:
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Through a full season. Winning 15-2, then losing 5 out of 6 by one run each. Well, I don't buy it. But I'm old school on that. Big time. I love doubles hitters, don't care as much for the homer in as most. I LOVE watching a guy go first to third on a ball abit in the rite center gap. To me, that's exciting. But I understand very few in baseball think like I do. And way fewer fans think like I do.

Just get to the playoffs. Then 50/50 chance your bats are hot and you go down in history.


+1000

I feel the same way.
Hyperextended elbow for Duda  
ZGiants98 : 4/19/2017 8:40 pm : link
Fuck my life.
RE: RE: Geez, I hope Duda is okay and it's not serious but does any guy  
PhiPsi125 : 4/19/2017 8:40 pm : link
In comment 13434822 Shecky said:
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In comment 13434819 PhiPsi125 said:


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play through a little hurty anymore? You never used to see guys take themselves out of the game in the past. Hard-nosed players went away once the millions of $$$ started, lol.



Don't go there Phi. I almost got yelled about that exact same thing this morning lol


Haha. Different strokes for different folks, I guess.
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arcarsenal : 4/19/2017 8:40 pm : link
Baseball players get injured so fucking easily.. it boggles my mind.
Too bad the lineup is sucking the joy out of this stretch lol  
ZGiants98 : 4/19/2017 8:43 pm : link
Some awesome positives with both Harvey and Wheeler coming back and looking good after terrible surgeries and time away. I still think Gsellman is going to be really good. deGrom is pitching like it's 2015 again. Duda (until tonight) and TDA both appeared back and healthy and they were huge question marks. Too bad.
lol..  
ZGiants98 : 4/19/2017 8:45 pm : link
Gsellman gets the second hit of the game.
Lol  
Rflairr : 4/19/2017 8:45 pm : link
Wow just wow
RE: lol..  
Shecky : 4/19/2017 8:45 pm : link
In comment 13434843 ZGiants98 said:
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Gsellman gets the second hit of the game.

The guy who wasn't even ALLOWED to swing a bat last year. Is carrying our offense now.
All about those fundys  
PhiPsi125 : 4/19/2017 8:46 pm : link
Nice job on the slide Gsellman. Probably just cost you a run.
Seriously Gary?  
ZGiants98 : 4/19/2017 8:46 pm : link
The throw beat him by 10 steps lol.
Glad Granderson is in there over  
Rflairr : 4/19/2017 8:46 pm : link
Conforto
TC has this team clicking on all cylinders.  
PhiPsi125 : 4/19/2017 8:47 pm : link
They are definitely in mid-season form, lol.
RE: All about those fundys  
Shecky : 4/19/2017 8:48 pm : link
In comment 13434847 PhiPsi125 said:
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Nice job on the slide Gsellman. Probably just cost you a run.


Lol - even I don't blame him for not sliding lol
RE: Seriously Gary?  
PhiPsi125 : 4/19/2017 8:48 pm : link
In comment 13434848 ZGiants98 said:
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The throw beat him by 10 steps lol.


He had to tag him. If he actually runs hard and slides he could have made it. Maybe.
jay bruce has to play first  
spike : 4/19/2017 8:49 pm : link
Conforto in RF and Lagares in CF. Grandy has to sit.

RE: Seriously Gary?  
PhiPsi125 : 4/19/2017 8:49 pm : link
In comment 13434848 ZGiants98 said:
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The throw beat him by 10 steps lol.


I only counted 8 steps...maybe 9. Let's not exaggerate.
bruce!  
spike : 4/19/2017 8:49 pm : link
If We homer, we win!
Bruce!  
arcarsenal : 4/19/2017 8:50 pm : link
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A HR  
Rflairr : 4/19/2017 8:50 pm : link
BRUCE!
YAY, baseball is fun again!!!  
PhiPsi125 : 4/19/2017 8:50 pm : link
Instant mood swing.
Lol  
Shecky : 4/19/2017 8:50 pm : link
As we were saying...
Bruuuuuce!!!  
ZGiants98 : 4/19/2017 8:50 pm : link
Whooo!
RE: RE: Seriously Gary?  
ZGiants98 : 4/19/2017 8:51 pm : link
In comment 13434857 PhiPsi125 said:
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In comment 13434848 ZGiants98 said:


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The throw beat him by 10 steps lol.



I only counted 8 steps...maybe 9. Let's not exaggerate.


;)
a little payback  
spike : 4/19/2017 8:52 pm : link
on the infield pop up drop
Automatic out  
Rflairr : 4/19/2017 8:54 pm : link
Reyes
Too bad TJ Rivera cannot play third base adequately  
spike : 4/19/2017 8:55 pm : link
or he would be the starting 3B right now.
Power helps  
feelflows : 4/19/2017 8:57 pm : link
Eh?
d'arnaud hurt  
CMicks3110 : 4/19/2017 8:57 pm : link
man is made of glass. Baby got a tiny cut.
Cool.  
ZGiants98 : 4/19/2017 8:58 pm : link
So much for Duda and TDA. lol. wow.
that homer was glorious  
GMenLTS : 4/19/2017 8:59 pm : link
reyes and grandy need to ride pine
RE: that homer was glorious  
feelflows : 4/19/2017 9:00 pm : link
In comment 13434882 GMenLTS said:
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reyes and grandy need to ride pine


It's weird. I'm more patient with Granderson than Reyes. I wonder why that is.
Real nice start for  
ZGiants98 : 4/19/2017 9:01 pm : link
Gazelle.
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arcarsenal : 4/19/2017 9:04 pm : link
Figured it was only a matter of time for the Gazelle Man. Was due a good start. We need to win this fucking game in the worst way.
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