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If these were the top players left at 23, who'd you take?

yatqb : 4/21/2017 12:10 am
Taco Charlton, Kevin King, Gareon Conley, Garrett Bolles and Zach Cunningham.

For me it would be a tough choice between Charlton and one of the CBs. Despite our depth at CB, you can never have enough competent CBs imo.

Thoughts?
that's tough  
Vanzetti : 4/21/2017 12:19 am : link
probably Bolles but only because I think Giants should be in win-now mode and I think Bolles would be decent in pass protection for a few years. I see him as the high floor guy

Charlton would be my second choice

I'd go with Conley or Taco  
Anakim : 4/21/2017 12:26 am : link
Might lean towards Conley
More and more I like Conley or King in that situation.  
yatqb : 4/21/2017 12:28 am : link
I'm not sure whether one or the other has the versatility to play in the slot as well as outside, so it's a hard choice for me. But the CBs may be the chalk picks of the available guys at 23. Weird.

Sure seems to be a defensive draft...DBs, DTs, Edge Rushers.
Bolles  
Saos1n : 4/21/2017 12:36 am : link
...
Bolles  
PatersonPlank : 4/21/2017 12:38 am : link
and its an easy decision
I'm a bit in doubt about Bolles. He's a bit light and hasn't played  
yatqb : 4/21/2017 12:46 am : link
a lot of football. But he's got long arms and pretty good feet, and likely has the frame to grow into his body more (although at 25 you'd think he'd be heavier by now).
RE: that's tough  
Peppers : 4/21/2017 12:55 am : link
In comment 13436783 Vanzetti said:
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probably Bolles but only because I think Giants should be in win-now mode and I think Bolles would be decent in pass protection for a few years. I see him as the high floor guy

Charlton would be my second choice


Bolles wasn't a very good pass blocker in college.
RE: I'd go with Conley or Taco  
Peppers : 4/21/2017 12:58 am : link
In comment 13436784 Anakim said:
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Might lean towards Conley


Same for me but I'm leaning Taco.
Conley  
WillVAB : 4/21/2017 1:03 am : link
Mainly by process of elimination. I don't like what I've seen from Taco -- he's gonna bust if I had to bet on it. Cunningham's upside is decent supporting cast guy at the next level, if that. Not what I'd spend 23 on. Bolles just doesn't do it for me. I think he's too close to OL prospects who can be had later in the draft.

I wouldn't want to take another CB high but a talent like Conley could really make the defense tough. I don't know how teams could pass with any sort of consistency on that defense.
Conley  
j_rud : 4/21/2017 1:13 am : link
I think he's the best player in that bunch and you'd be keeping a pipeline of talented players at the CB spot and it would make DRCs departure easier to handle. There's a desire to add someone to the OL, unfortunately I don't think there's a quick fix available in this draft. Like I said, I think Conley is the best player in that group and CB is almost always a position of need, even when it doesn't appear to be so.
RE: RE: that's tough  
allstarjim : 4/21/2017 1:15 am : link
In comment 13436791 Peppers said:
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In comment 13436783 Vanzetti said:


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probably Bolles but only because I think Giants should be in win-now mode and I think Bolles would be decent in pass protection for a few years. I see him as the high floor guy

Charlton would be my second choice




Bolles wasn't a very good pass blocker in college.





But anyhow...

Conley I believe is going to be the best player out of that group. If you are true BPA, I think he's the guy.

That said, I think Taco helps the team and will be a very good player.

But Bolles is the guy I would take, because it is very difficult to find left tackles, and he has the upside of being a very good left tackle in the NFL, and it's an area that not just the Giants, but a lot of teams are in need of. Quality OL is so scarce. I think I can get a good pass rusher at 55. I think I can get another pretty good corner later in the draft. But I think Bolles is the best match of need, positional scarcity, and value.

But best player... Conley is, I think, going to be a shut down corner. I think right away he's going to be a good player, and will have a tremendous career. Tough call, I'd go Bolles, but you can make a very strong case for Conley and Taco.
One concern I have with Bolles is that, imo, he's only a LT  
yatqb : 4/21/2017 1:45 am : link
or nothing else. I don't see him being an effective OG, or having the power of an ideal RT. If he can't become a competent LT you've got a bust. Even Cam Robinson, whom I have doubts about, likely could play both OG and RT for us if he couldn't win the LT job.
Bolles  
adamg : 4/21/2017 2:29 am : link
I agree with Jim where it's a situation where Conley is probably the best talent, but the guy who improves our team the most is Bolles.
I hope there are other choices  
Giant John : 4/21/2017 4:52 am : link
To be made.
Bolles  
wgenesis123 : 4/21/2017 5:18 am : link
Easy choice.
Unlikely scenario  
Torrag : 4/21/2017 6:56 am : link
pass
While you always worry about a starter going down there  
LauderdaleMatty : 4/21/2017 7:07 am : link
Isn't a lesser need than DE on this team. IMO it's Bolles but since I have zero faith in DRC staying healthy. So even if he continues to get limited snaps the top CB on the board is totally acceptable.

I love DRC but he's not reliable. The Playoff game he we t down and that back field seemed to fall apart. JPP Ans Vernon are doing nowhere. DRC needs to be replaced sooner than later. A pass rusher unless he'd an OLB is getting 10 snaps a game.

Tackle or DB.
Conley could be the first corner off the board in a loaded CB draft  
robbieballs2003 : 4/21/2017 7:22 am : link
So he is my choice on value alone. King is probably up there too.
Bolles  
jeff57 : 4/21/2017 7:32 am : link
.
Bolles  
Rick in Dallas : 4/21/2017 7:46 am : link
....
Conley or Bolles  
Mike in NY : 4/21/2017 7:50 am : link
Tough choice
Conley  
Eman11 : 4/21/2017 7:53 am : link
Without a doubt for me.
of these players, king is my guy...  
Dan in the Springs : 4/21/2017 7:54 am : link
Look at his 3-cone.
Bolles  
Jimmy Googs : 4/21/2017 8:16 am : link
then Conley.

Not so much on the rest...
I'd go  
ryanmkeane : 4/21/2017 8:26 am : link
Conley or Cunningham. Bolles just screams "meh" to me...just not excited about him or Taco for whatever reason.
The question is  
NYBEN1963 : 4/21/2017 8:34 am : link
is Bolles a better LT right now that Ereck Flowers ? if the answer is no then there is no way that you take him. I would go Taco Chartlton
Charlton  
jvm52106 : 4/21/2017 8:42 am : link
and it isn't close. JPP is signed for a bit but no guarantee he plays 16 games and may never be the force he once was. OD is a huge ? mark going forward, RO is still very RAW.. Charlton gives us a Justin Tuck like player who could flourish learning from OV and JPP...
Bolles is only ranked  
jvm52106 : 4/21/2017 8:45 am : link
high (and to be honest we don't know what the actual NFL teams think) because the OT lot is pretty average. CB again makes no sense unless that player is head and shoulders above others and at this point none of those guys screams that to me. Cunningham is a "meh" guy... Charlton is a guy with Pro Bowl potential...
Love it, Hate it.  
chiefmps : 4/21/2017 8:46 am : link

OT GARETT BOLLES UTAH

LB JARRAD DAVIS FLORIDA

TE ADAM SHAHEEN ASHLAND

DT CARLOS WATKINS CLEMSON

G AVIANTE COLLINS TEXAS CHRISTIAN

S JOSH HARVEY-CLEMONS LOUISVILLE

RB TARIK COHEN NORTH CAROLINA A&T

Would love to have some extra picks, would loved to have drafted a QB but just ran out of picks. Here to hoping that the Giants have a great draft.
I'd want Taco  
UConn4523 : 4/21/2017 8:48 am : link
if he checks all of the Giants boxes. Otherwise give me the top CB.
..  
ajr2456 : 4/21/2017 8:51 am : link
Conley or King.
RE: Bolles  
ajr2456 : 4/21/2017 8:52 am : link
In comment 13436805 adamg said:
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I agree with Jim where it's a situation where Conley is probably the best talent, but the guy who improves our team the most is Bolles.


This is true if Bolles is a better LT than Flowers.

Conley or King have the better chance of improving the team.
Conley.  
AcidTest : 4/21/2017 8:54 am : link
But he's likely long gone by the time we pick.
RE: The question is  
Jimmy Googs : 4/21/2017 8:56 am : link
In comment 13436885 NYBEN1963 said:
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is Bolles a better LT right now that Ereck Flowers ? if the answer is no then there is no way that you take him. I would go Taco Chartlton


I don't look at it that way. First, need serious competition for Flowers otherwise I am handicapping his true level of incentive to improve. Second, Flowers could get hurt and what the hell are we doing then...need another Tackle.

And lastly, Bolles could be better than him right now anyway.
I still personally  
NYBEN1963 : 4/21/2017 8:57 am : link
Like Charles Harris over Taco Charlton. Harris seems to be more of a pure speed rusher with that great first step that gets tackles off balance right at the snap.This guy will cause a lot of false starts and holding penalties.
I like Harris  
Jimmy Googs : 4/21/2017 8:59 am : link
as well.
Bolles possibly being better than Flowers  
UConn4523 : 4/21/2017 9:01 am : link
shouldn't prevent us from taking the much better player (if the Giants deem someone else better). Huge mistake taking a guy that isn't up towards the best player just because we have a weakness. Do that in any other round.
quite possibly one of the most reasonable  
UConn4523 : 4/21/2017 9:03 am : link
takes from Kiper:

"I'm not sold on the Giants' offensive tackles, but for now, I'm going with a pass-rusher who can spell Jason Pierre-Paul and Olivier Vernon. Harris is a versatile defender who could play for all 32 teams. He had 16 sacks the past two seasons."
RE: Bolles possibly being better than Flowers  
ajr2456 : 4/21/2017 9:04 am : link
In comment 13436923 UConn4523 said:
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shouldn't prevent us from taking the much better player (if the Giants deem someone else better). Huge mistake taking a guy that isn't up towards the best player just because we have a weakness. Do that in any other round.


This
Conley is the best player in that group, IMO  
Heisenberg : 4/21/2017 9:06 am : link
So you take him.
RE: Bolles possibly being better than Flowers  
Jimmy Googs : 4/21/2017 9:09 am : link
In comment 13436923 UConn4523 said:
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shouldn't prevent us from taking the much better player (if the Giants deem someone else better). Huge mistake taking a guy that isn't up towards the best player just because we have a weakness. Do that in any other round.


Agree. That wasn't theme of this thread though...
RE: RE: Bolles possibly being better than Flowers  
UConn4523 : 4/21/2017 9:11 am : link
In comment 13436933 Jimmy Googs said:
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In comment 13436923 UConn4523 said:


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shouldn't prevent us from taking the much better player (if the Giants deem someone else better). Huge mistake taking a guy that isn't up towards the best player just because we have a weakness. Do that in any other round.



Agree. That wasn't theme of this thread though...


I answered the OP, was just commenting on taking Bolles due to the chance of him being better than Flowers as potentially being a mistake.
Taking Bolles because he could better than EF is not a mistake  
Jimmy Googs : 4/21/2017 9:16 am : link
Taking Bolles if there are better players available is...
that's exactly what I said  
UConn4523 : 4/21/2017 9:24 am : link
...
Who are the 22 players off the board in your scenario  
Big_Pete : 4/21/2017 9:32 am : link
It really depends on who is off the table.

There are a lot more options than just the few that have been listed here. Not a real fan of any, but if I had to pick one of these, it's probably Conley.

I do think that there will be other options who will be better fits for NYG imho.
My point is  
NYBEN1963 : 4/21/2017 9:32 am : link
Bolles is not an upgrade over Flowers at LT why take him?
should say  
NYBEN1963 : 4/21/2017 9:33 am : link
If Bolles is not an upgrade over EF
How do you know he isn't?  
Jimmy Googs : 4/21/2017 9:33 am : link
.
RE: How do you know he isn't?  
NYBEN1963 : 4/21/2017 9:38 am : link
In comment 13436977 Jimmy Googs said:
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I said IF...
Generally speaking, our site seems to be forgetting  
Jimmy Googs : 4/21/2017 9:45 am : link
how bad Erick Flowers actually played last year.

Not "cut the bastard" bad. But have commented that it would be simply reckless for Reese & Co. to go into next season with the default that Flowers is the left tackle.

reckless...

RE: Generally speaking, our site seems to be forgetting  
NYBEN1963 : 4/21/2017 10:08 am : link
In comment 13436995 Jimmy Googs said:
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how bad Erick Flowers actually played last year.

Not "cut the bastard" bad. But have commented that it would be simply reckless for Reese & Co. to go into next season with the default that Flowers is the left tackle.

reckless...


Agreed ..ideally the replacement/upgrade should have come in free agency.And unfortunately the reports are that this is a weak group of tackles this year. There are no Laremy Tunsil type players in this draft.
ehhhh  
BlackburnBalledOut : 4/21/2017 12:31 pm : link
id trade back
bolles  
msh : 4/23/2017 9:32 am : link
if that was what was left at 23 i assume in that scenario that both howard and njoku are off the board as i want one of them if they are still there at 23,failing that i would hope they could maybe grab shaheen in the 2nd round they need more production and threat to opposing defences from the TE position especially in the redzone where they settled for kicks too often last year

want an OL,TE,CB and DT with the first 4 picks flexible about the order but i hope they address those areas early
RE: Generally speaking, our site seems to be forgetting  
BigBlueShock : 4/23/2017 9:41 am : link
In comment 13436995 Jimmy Googs said:
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how bad Erick Flowers actually played last year.

Not "cut the bastard" bad. But have commented that it would be simply reckless for Reese & Co. to go into next season with the default that Flowers is the left tackle.

reckless...

So what's your solution? Draft a guy that can't play just to say they drafted a tackle? I'm not saying Bolles can't play, but if the Giants feel that way, you want them to spend a first on him? THAT would be reckless.
The solution is to find another Left Tackle. The options as always are  
Jimmy Googs : 4/23/2017 11:12 am : link
Free Agency, trades with 31 other teams and the draft.

If the Giants choose not to use any of these options than that is reckless in my view based on EF's progress.







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