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So what if McCaffrey and Cook are there at #23...

TheGhostofBlueGuy : 4/21/2017 5:44 am
....would you take either and why?

That's a tough one for me. McCaffrey is matchup nightmare. I think this kid can do it all. Except for running between the tackles. But he more than makes up for it with his natural pass catching ability. Kickoff and punt returns mean he'll be getting 15-20 touches a game. A legit threat to take anyone of those to the house.

Cook is more of the natural RB whose money will come between the tackles. Crazy burst and cutting ability. Hands aren't exactly ideal, but not the worst I've seen. Off field issues are a concern, but I think teams will overlook those. No kick or punt return skills that are readily apparent.

So who DO you take?

I'd take McCaffrey.
Go with the Christian.  
Diver_Down : 4/21/2017 5:56 am : link
And he is more than capable of running between the tackles.
RE: Go with the Christian.  
TheGhostofBlueGuy : 4/21/2017 5:59 am : link
In comment 13436812 Diver_Down said:
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And he is more than capable of running between the tackles.


He is not a pile mover is what I meant. I'm sure he is plenty capable of taking the Giants, ever present inside hand off. Blech.
Cook  
section125 : 4/21/2017 6:00 am : link
better RB and he catches just fine - good hands. Concern over fumbles is the biggie.

Tough choice.

Think I'd rather a DR or OLB/ER.
RE: Cook  
section125 : 4/21/2017 6:01 am : link
better RB and he catches just fine - good hands. Concern over fumbles is the biggie.

Tough choice.

Think I'd rather a DE or OLB/ER. - corrected
RE: RE: Cook  
TheGhostofBlueGuy : 4/21/2017 6:06 am : link
In comment 13436815 section125 said:
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better RB and he catches just fine - good hands. Concern over fumbles is the biggie.

Tough choice.

Think I'd rather a DE or OLB/ER. - corrected


Yeah, the fumbling is a concern. You know defenses will tug at the arms a little extra knowing he has the issue.
With all of his baggage ...  
Beer Man : 4/21/2017 6:41 am : link
I don't see the Giants taking Cook. As many BBIers have posted, the Giants generally don't use their 1st round picks on players that have character or substance issues.
McCaffrey  
Big Rick in FL : 4/21/2017 6:42 am : link
Probably isn't getting out of the top 10 and Cook has criminal/injury/fumbling issues. The Giants aren't going to take him in the 1st round.
50-50 for me.  
Ira : 4/21/2017 7:22 am : link
For all his warts, Cook is the inside runner that we don't have. McCaffrey is an upgraded version of Perkins - faster and a better route runner, but we still need someone to run inside. Cook's fumbles are a problem and, unless McAdoo and company feel they can fix them, I'd favor McCaffrey. But if McAdoo thinks he can fix Cook's fumbles the way Coughlin fixed Tiki's problem, then I'd take Cook.
McCaffrey  
jeff57 : 4/21/2017 7:33 am : link
Cook is too much of a risk.
McCaffrey is looking like the one who  
barens : 4/21/2017 7:36 am : link
most likely will not be there for us, probably not even close unfortunately.

Cook now seems to be a legitimate option, and as long as everything off the field checks out ok, I'd be fully on board.

The fact is, either of those players would be amazing to have, especially for Eli.
RE: McCaffrey is looking like the one who  
jeff57 : 4/21/2017 7:39 am : link
In comment 13436840 barens said:
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most likely will not be there for us, probably not even close unfortunately.

Cook now seems to be a legitimate option, and as long as everything off the field checks out ok, I'd be fully on board.

The fact is, either of those players would be amazing to have, especially for Eli.


If everything off the field checked out, I doubt he would be available at 23.
McCaffrey  
ryanmkeane : 4/21/2017 8:25 am : link
in a heartbeat. I wouldn't go near Cook.
A slamdunk - McCaffrey  
mavric : 4/21/2017 8:28 am : link
McCaffrey adds so many offensive options for Eli that it opens up the whole game.
Cook carries three types of baggage  
Torrag : 4/21/2017 8:44 am : link
Off field baggage
Ball security baggage
Shoulder injury baggage


Might make him available but combined makes me worry as well. Tough call on this guy. I'll leave it up to the Giants to make it and won't chirp whichever way it goes.

McCaffrey I'd have to take. He's a 'clean' prospect, a triple threat and is the most prolific offensive player in yards from scrimmage in NCAA history. His Combine and Pro Day reinforced everything you saw on tape.
You run to the podium  
ajr2456 : 4/21/2017 8:49 am : link
and take Cook.
RE: You run to the podium  
Greg from LI : 4/21/2017 9:00 am : link
In comment 13436900 ajr2456 said:
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and take Cook.



Yup.
McCaffrey. Best back in the draft.  
Vin_Cuccs : 4/21/2017 9:04 am : link
And it isn't close.

Unfortunately, he won't be there.
RE: McCaffrey. Best back in the draft.  
ajr2456 : 4/21/2017 9:09 am : link
In comment 13436926 Vin_Cuccs said:
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And it isn't close.

Unfortunately, he won't be there.


It isn't? Reggie Bush was once the "best back in the draft and it wasn't close."
Take the kickoff return ability crap off the table  
Jimmy Googs : 4/21/2017 9:12 am : link
as a difference-maker.

Nobody cares anymore other than the Vikings...
As many mentioned, Cook has issues.  
Vin_Cuccs : 4/21/2017 9:12 am : link
But my biggest concern is his poor testing at the combine.

40 time was only OK. 20 years shuttle and 3 cone were just bad which is scary.

Even with all that in mind, his tape is so good that I wouldn't mind taking him at #23 if he checks medically, and they're comfortable with the off the field issues.
McCaffrey isn't Bush.  
Vin_Cuccs : 4/21/2017 9:14 am : link
Can't compare the two.
RE: As many mentioned, Cook has issues.  
ajr2456 : 4/21/2017 9:23 am : link
In comment 13436939 Vin_Cuccs said:
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But my biggest concern is his poor testing at the combine.

40 time was only OK. 20 years shuttle and 3 cone were just bad which is scary.

Even with all that in mind, his tape is so good that I wouldn't mind taking him at #23 if he checks medically, and they're comfortable with the off the field issues.


Cook's 20 yard splits in ESPN's Sport Science was the same as Ross' in the 40. Combine numbers are a good gauge but don't tell the whole story. Ask Leveon Bell and Lesean Mccoy. Plus everyone in the NFL is fast and strong.

Mcaffery may be the better athlete, but if you had to say who the better football player is, it would be Cook. It isn't even close.

In the only two games he played against teams with elite level defensive talent he was held to:

49 yards vs Washington
92 yards vs Colorado.

Against better defenses with elite talent Cook had:

169 vs Clemson
153 vs Florida
145 vs Michigan
RE: McCaffrey isn't Bush.  
ajr2456 : 4/21/2017 9:27 am : link
In comment 13436944 Vin_Cuccs said:
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Can't compare the two.


They are the same size, did the same things in college except Bush had 650 less yards on 200+ less touches and 7 more TDs.

Bush was the better college player than McCaffrey.
RE: Cook carries three types of baggage  
barens : 4/21/2017 9:27 am : link
In comment 13436893 Torrag said:
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Off field baggage
Ball security baggage
Shoulder injury baggage


Might make him available but combined makes me worry as well. Tough call on this guy. I'll leave it up to the Giants to make it and won't chirp whichever way it goes.

McCaffrey I'd have to take. He's a 'clean' prospect, a triple threat and is the most prolific offensive player in yards from scrimmage in NCAA history. His Combine and Pro Day reinforced everything you saw on tape.


Exactly my thoughts.
Drafting a White RB is pointless.  
Odell Porzingis Jr. : 4/21/2017 9:30 am : link
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If all the crap about Cook is true you'd have to go with McCaffrey.  
yatqb : 4/21/2017 9:42 am : link
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ajr2456  
Vin_Cuccs : 4/21/2017 10:32 am : link
Listen, I like Cook. A lot in fact. McCaffrey is just better. Can't compare him to Bush. Different players.

Cook also had much, much more talent around him to showcase his skills, especially this year.

Concerns about his off field baggage, injury history and specifically, 3 cone drill at legit. Change of direction is imperative for success at the next level, and 3 cone measures that.

That is what makes me like McCaffrey a lot more. Safe pick, better player.
So what if McCaffrey and Cook are there at #23...  
averagejoe : 4/21/2017 10:34 am : link
Giants will still take DE or OL they like best. Giants always draft BPA at a need position in first round.
RE: So what if McCaffrey and Cook are there at #23...  
mrvax : 4/21/2017 11:08 am : link
In comment 13437079 averagejoe said:
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Giants will still take DE or OL they like best. Giants always draft BPA at a need position in first round.



Add Cb to this list and I think you have it right. No RB in the 1st round.

The year Wilson was the pick (2012), prior to the draft the only RB the Giants had signed was the banged up Bradshaw.
RE: Drafting a White RB is pointless.  
BlueHurricane : 4/21/2017 11:17 am : link
In comment 13436971 Odell Porzingis Jr. said:
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Definitely McCaffrey  
Milton : 4/21/2017 11:17 am : link
A tougher question is what do the Giants do if both McCaffrey and their top rated OL are available when they are on the clock.
McCaffrey won't  
Glover : 4/21/2017 11:51 am : link
Cook very well may be. Gotta check his entourage. How high is the risk of him getting in trouble/suspended.
I am not a big McCaffery fan  
ThatLimerickGuy : 4/21/2017 11:58 am : link
Positives are his character, pedigree and speed.

Negatives are:

1) He is not a 3 down back in the NFL, and at best a 3rd down guy who you can split out wide. He has no interior power that I see and any big runs I see on his highlights are a result of holes that I could bust through at 6'0, 280.

2) He relies on the shoulder shimmy and side step move too much. It works to a point but in the NFL the success rate of those 2 are about 20% of what they are against the PAC-12, especially for a RB where LB's are coming straight at you. As a WR it is different because sometimes you have a little bit of space.

I think his CEILING is a career like Reggie Bush, but more that likely I see a Danny Amendola type who lines up in the backfield occasionally.

I know this is probably an unpopular opinion and I hope that I am wrong as I do like the kid and think he is a great character guy.
RE: I am not a big McCaffery fan  
Milton : 4/21/2017 12:19 pm : link
In comment 13437264 ThatLimerickGuy said:
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He is not a 3 down back in the NFL, and at best a 3rd down guy who you can split out wide. He has no interior power that I see and any big runs I see on his highlights are a result of holes that I could bust through at 6'0, 280.
I always appreciate your insights even when I disagree with you. Check out the link below for some analysis on McCaffrey's inside game from Matt Waldman (The Boiler Room)...
It's just one play, but... - ( New Window )
And for those who have the time...  
Milton : 4/21/2017 12:24 pm : link
Here's Matt Waldman's RSP Film Room analysis of McCaffrey...
It's over an hour long, however... - ( New Window )
McCaffrey  
BlackburnBalledOut : 4/21/2017 12:30 pm : link
I would choose mccaffrey over cook
Cook doesn't impress me  
SHO'NUFF : 4/21/2017 3:34 pm : link
not sure what all the scouts are seeing, but hey, they're the professionals.
RE: ajr2456  
Stan in LA : 4/21/2017 3:35 pm : link
In comment 13437078 Vin_Cuccs said:
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Listen, I like Cook. A lot in fact. McCaffrey is just better. Can't compare him to Bush. Different players.

Cook also had much, much more talent around him to showcase his skills, especially this year.

Concerns about his off field baggage, injury history and specifically, 3 cone drill at legit. Change of direction is imperative for success at the next level, and 3 cone measures that.

That is what makes me like McCaffrey a lot more. Safe pick, better player.


Yup.
McCaf seems like an injury  
xman : 4/22/2017 12:10 am : link
waiting to happen. Pass on both
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