Go Bulls! A Bulls series win could 1. Prompt the Celtics to look into Melo 2. Prompt the Bulls into thinking they are "close" and add Melo
-Lebron is ridiculous
- Francesa chimed in on KP (linked below)
- Bucks aren't beating the Cavs but talk about an interesting team headed in the right direction...
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parker and their first for melo? take on a bad contract?
how is he the opposite? you realize celtics are an older team right? especially if they resign thomas..
melo is exactly what they need right now and would have to give up a lot less then what they would have to give up for butler or George
They have lusted for him for quite some time and now Butler is lighting them up
They have lusted for him for quite some time and now Butler is lighting them up
Of course it is. It's also much more likely the Bulls opt to hold onto Butler vs. Melo and that the price for Butler would be much, much higher. Chicago can ask for the Celtics top 3 pick (among other things). Melo obviously won't bring that back. It takes two to tango.
parker and their first for melo? take on a bad contract?
Aren't getting Parker and the 17th pick in the draft for Melo c'mon lol That's absurd.
Melo definitely has his warts, but the worst decision he ever made from a pure basketball sense was coming to the Knicks and this clusterf*ck of an organization.
They have lusted for him for quite some time and now Butler is lighting them up
Ok say here are the 2 offers..
1st this year and next year both bkn, crowder and brown for butler
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celtics first this year and maybe next year and crowder for melo?
you get to keep both bkn picks to maybe even try and get george or add 2 more young pieces.
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i know its milwaukee but if kidd and melo are still close i wonder if kidd could convince him to come?
parker and their first for melo? take on a bad contract?
Aren't getting Parker and the 17th pick in the draft for Melo c'mon lol That's absurd.
parker already has 2 acl injuries, no guarantee he can get back to what he was starting to become..
This. The NTC kills a large portion of his value. He knows they want him gone and he can dictate where he goes. Our luck has the most realistic options (Cavs/LAC) having absolutely nothing to offer (unless as you said, Kevin Love is on the move).
1. A team is a legit contender(Cavs, Wiz maybe, GS, Houston?)
2. He gets to play with his buddies(Cavs, Bulls, Clippers)
If it's because of his NTC, then yes I agree that it kills his value. But that's not what people are typically saying about his value being low.
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... maybe 5 years ago... but the C's are moving forward... he's the opposite of the direction they are going.
how is he the opposite? you realize celtics are an older team right? especially if they resign thomas..
melo is exactly what they need right now and would have to give up a lot less then what they would have to give up for butler or George
My comment had less to do with age and more to do with the fact that Anthony doesn't fit into a Brad Stevens team based on defense and teamwork.
Anthony is the diametrical opposite of defense and team play.
And he's old, yes, I'm sure that factors in too.
ok how about just the 17th pick 😎
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that's reality. Maybe if he opens up his list and teams start to bid against each other for his services.
If it's because of his NTC, then yes I agree that it kills his value. But that's not what people are typically saying about his value being low.
It's a combination of things. Obviously his NTC cuts his value significantly, but lets say he didn't have that. What do you believe his value would be? I don't think it would be much better. A mid to late first and maybe a young player? He's been the centerpiece of some disasterously bad teams. His warts have been on full display. His own team has mentioned that we can't win with him.
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... maybe 5 years ago... but the C's are moving forward... he's the opposite of the direction they are going.
how is he the opposite? you realize celtics are an older team right? especially if they resign thomas..
melo is exactly what they need right now and would have to give up a lot less then what they would have to give up for butler or George
My comment had less to do with age and more to do with the fact that Anthony doesn't fit into a Brad Stevens team based on defense and teamwork.
Anthony is the diametrical opposite of defense and team play.
And he's old, yes, I'm sure that factors in too.
age should not factor in when your top 2 players are over 30..
its funny because according to the post stevens was for the melo trade and ainge was the one who hesitated..
Happy?
I still say his lack of D and team-offense-killing tendency to iso is a total non-fit with the Celtics... and I openly question if Melo would be satisfied with the role of 7th or 8th guy off the bench.
Well my point is they have enough assets that at the right price it's a worthy gamble. They can both build through the draft/what they are doing and also add Melo. They have enough chips.
What about DeAndre for Melo? Makes the Clips more "west coast" with their wing scoring and DeAndre next to KP would be an unreal defensive frontcourt.
Happy?
I still say his lack of D and team-offense-killing tendency to iso is a total non-fit with the Celtics... and I openly question if Melo would be satisfied with the role of 7th or 8th guy off the bench.
he wouldnt be a 7th or 8th guy iff the bench for boston thats ridiculous...
Ainge has never built through the draft guarantee he makes a trade for now in the off season, will it be melo? i dont know
I don't think he has a whole lot of value even without the NTC. His contract, diminished athleticism, and non-existent zeal for playing defense all knock his value down. I believe he could definitely be reinvigorated in a new place, but that doesn't mean I expect a valuable rotation piece or a high 1st round draft pick in return for him. I think the best we could do for him is a young player who hasn't quite developed or a pair of first round picks with heavy protections attached to them.
But come July, Crowder, Smart, Celtics 2017 first for Melo could make a lot of sense.
What about DeAndre for Melo? Makes the Clips more "west coast" with their wing scoring and DeAndre next to KP would be an unreal defensive frontcourt.
Doesn't do anything for the Knicks. They would be getting Jordan for one year and then be forced to give him a MONSTER max deal starting in his age 30 season while still paying Noah.
He wouldn't knock Jae Crowder out at the 3. If the C's tried to wedge him into the 4 spot... their main problem of rebounding would go from bad to worse.
Furthermore: the C's are already developing a young wing with good potential in Jalen Brown. They've also got a top pick in the upcoming draft to develop (assuming they keep the pick)
Do they want to take those minutes and give them to an aging Melo? As a fan... I don't.
You're smoking crack.
No way the C's give up even close to that haul for Melo. None.
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But come July, Crowder, Smart, Celtics 2017 first for Melo could make a lot of sense.
You're smoking crack.
No way the C's give up even close to that haul for Melo. None.
You call that a haul? The fuck is wrong with you?
You think that's a haul for an NBA all star?
Come the eff on.
1. Would you rather keep Love or flip him for pieces?
2. What do you think Phil would rather do?
Melo definitely has his warts, but the worst decision he ever made from a pure basketball sense was coming to the Knicks and this clusterf*ck of an organization.
+1. People continue to not understand that asking guys to play roles over their current ability sets them up to fail. But get guys in the correct role and they shine. Melo needs to be the #3 or lower player on a very good team (#2 scoring option).
1. Would you rather keep Love or flip him for pieces?
2. What do you think Phil would rather do?
I would rather flip Love, and I think Phil would as well.
+1. People continue to not understand that asking guys to play roles over their current ability sets them up to fail. But get guys in the correct role and they shine. Melo needs to be the #3 or lower player on a very good team (#2 scoring option).
But a team is going to be paying him like a number one player though. How does that help his trade value?
Y'all severely underrate him. He may not be an all-star, but he has the following positives:
- Good contract
- Team leader
- Tough defender
- ~40% 3 pt shooter
I wouldn't give him up straight up for Melo at this point in their respective careers. I venture to guess the majority of NBA execs feel the same way.
It doesn't make sense for Melo but I think Parker is best used as a ticket to rid themselves of their bad contracts and maybe get a starting center out of it. Just don't see how Parker fits with Brogdon, middleton, GF and Maker. He's going to get a max deal, I wouldn't want to touch that if I'm Milwaukee, but what if I'm Brooklyn or Orlando? Flip Parker, Henson, teletovic for Vucevic or Brook Lopez and you're into something.
you are right
Actually, I think there has been a lot of analysis that Blake and Jordan dont fit well at all. Offensively, they're both guys who need to be near the basket.
Blake scares the shit out of me. Super athletic PFs tend to have very sharp falloffs. Once they cant jump out of the gym, they're cooked. They're not guys to bet on into their 30s. Putting aside whether Blake's injury history makes him any riskier than random players.
Y'all severely underrate him. He may not be an all-star, but he has the following positives:
- Good contract
- Team leader
- Tough defender
- ~40% 3 pt shooter
I wouldn't give him up straight up for Melo at this point in their respective careers. I venture to guess the majority of NBA execs feel the same way.
wait you think crowder is the rreason you didnt get butler or george? if that is the case ainge should be fired on the spot...
crowder is not the reason, ainge didnt want to give up the bkn picks, which i dont blame him
I wouldn't give him up straight up for Melo at this point in their respective careers. I venture to guess the majority of NBA execs feel the same way.
Ehhh... if Crowder was on the Clippers or the Cavs and he was all it took to do a deal, they would drive his ass to the airport so quick, his head might fall off.
You think that's a haul for an NBA all star?
Come the eff on.
The C's draft pick this year was also suggested in the haul... that pick projects to be in the top 3.
The C's have swapped right with NJ... they have no other pick in the first round FYI.
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... maybe 5 years ago... but the C's are moving forward... he's the opposite of the direction they are going.
how is he the opposite? you realize celtics are an older team right? especially if they resign thomas..
melo is exactly what they need right now and would have to give up a lot less then what they would have to give up for butler or George
My comment had less to do with age and more to do with the fact that Anthony doesn't fit into a Brad Stevens team based on defense and teamwork.
Anthony is the diametrical opposite of defense and team play.
And he's old, yes, I'm sure that factors in too.
Defense and teamwork? Except they were an utterly average defensive team and the offense was essentially IT running a one man show on offense. You make it sound like they are an elite defensive team that has balanced scoring. That's inaccurate on both accounts
crowder is not the reason, ainge didnt want to give up the bkn picks, which i dont blame him
The Bulls wanted the Brooklyn pick AND Crowder AND more...
... it was all of it put together. According to reports, the C's were willing to give the Brooklyn pick and more, but tried to keep Crowder out of it. Then talks never progressed.
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+1. People continue to not understand that asking guys to play roles over their current ability sets them up to fail. But get guys in the correct role and they shine. Melo needs to be the #3 or lower player on a very good team (#2 scoring option).
But a team is going to be paying him like a number one player though. How does that help his trade value?
1. No, he'll be making making $30 million if traded, which is WAY below the max for the very best players, which will exceed 40 million (super max).
2. So what. Plenty of teams have multiple high paid players. It's a creature of the max cap rule. LeBron, Love, and Kyrie are all maxed out.
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matter if Parker had 5 ACL injuries. He's 22 years old coming off a 20 and 6 and 3 season, 49% from the field, 37% from 3, 19.15 PER. The Bucks would laugh their asses off if the Knicks asked for Parker and the 17th pick for Melo.
It doesn't make sense for Melo but I think Parker is best used as a ticket to rid themselves of their bad contracts and maybe get a starting center out of it. Just don't see how Parker fits with Brogdon, middleton, GF and Maker. He's going to get a max deal, I wouldn't want to touch that if I'm Milwaukee, but what if I'm Brooklyn or Orlando? Flip Parker, Henson, teletovic for Vucevic or Brook Lopez and you're into something.
Sure. I didn't mean to imply Parker was an untouchable piece but for Melo? Makes absolutely zero sense for the Bucks (and that doesn't even include the pick).
What is Melo's value?
The C's were plagued by injuries this year. Their best defender (Bradley) missed a bunch. Crowder and Horford also missed a lot of time.
The C's do have some very good individual defenders... Bradley, Smart and Crowder come immediately to mind. But IT is a liability and their huge weakness (rebounding) impacts their defensive numbers as well.
I was speaking more about the culture under Brad Stevens, though.
The C's did gain the #1 seed in the east, btw. That certainly appears like over-achieving right about now... but how poorly they're showing in the playoffs only makes the feat more remarkable.
It just depends on if he's willing to outright remove his NTC or make it known which teams he's now open to going he wasn't before. But Washington and Toronto are two spots I could easily see.
Wouldn't Utah be a good fit if he's waived it completely? Center a deal around favors and Alex Burks and I'd do that.
I don't think Miami would give up a lottery pick, but is Bosh's contract tradeable? Melo + Lee + KOQ for Bosh's contract, Tyler Johnson and josh richardson. Hard seeing Miami wanting to pay up for Waiters and Tyler Johnson and have money committed to Tyler Johnson.
1. No, he'll be making making $30 million if traded, which is WAY below the max for the very best players, which will exceed 40 million (super max).
2. So what. Plenty of teams have multiple high paid players. It's a creature of the max cap rule. LeBron, Love, and Kyrie are all maxed out.
But LeBron is the best player in the sport. Love, who I'm not a fan of at all, is 4 years younger than Melo. Kyrie is 8(!) years younger and it's possible he hasn't even hit his prime as a player. I don't see how Melo, in his current state, not being worth his contract is disputable. Now it's possible a team thinks he can up his game in a new role on their team, but why give up a lot when that's far from certain?
It just depends on if he's willing to outright remove his NTC or make it known which teams he's now open to going he wasn't before. But Washington and Toronto are two spots I could easily see.
Wouldn't Utah be a good fit if he's waived it completely? Center a deal around favors and Alex Burks and I'd do that.
I don't think Miami would give up a lottery pick, but is Bosh's contract tradeable? Melo + Lee + KOQ for Bosh's contract, Tyler Johnson and josh richardson. Hard seeing Miami wanting to pay up for Waiters and Tyler Johnson and have money committed to Tyler Johnson.
I find it beyond reasonable plausibility that Melo is okaying a deal to Utah
What is Melo's value?
Good question. It's hard to tell. I think conditions in the league overall serve to depress his value. Particularly, the best team is loaded and flawless (GSW), and many teams have nothing to trade that makes sense. Not just CLE or LAC, but also teams like WAS. Oubre and picks in the 20s isnt fair value. Maybe Oladipo would be fair. A mid lottery pick (after the balls are drawn). Fact is Melo can make tough buckets and volume buckets. That is the hardest thing to do in the NBA. 100 players can hit open jumper when the 4th pass of a possession leaves the defense out of position. Titles are won by teams that can make buckets when offenses arent running right at all.
Jerian Grant... come on down. You're the next contestant on Price Is Right.
Shitty picks though. 1 from Cleveland, 1 from Memphis
Rondo has been motivated and doing work
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this year and cap space to take on Melo.
Shitty picks though. 1 from Cleveland, 1 from Memphis
To Portland Crabbe might be a "bad contract" but I don't think he's an awful guy to have given his age. I'd take Crabbe + Vonleh.
Shitty picks though. 1 from Cleveland, 1 from Memphis
I'd be very happy with a (or 2) shitty first rounder in this draft.
Well, he's saying that 49% is available for purchase. Previously he said that an unspecified minority stake was available. But there is no buyer.
Weird time to sell. The Nets are at rock bottom as a team, without their #1s for 2 years. And it's not like a sale now would cash in on either the sports TV rights boom (which is probably over, and they're part of YES anyway) or the interest in the Barclays center, which is complicated because of the Islanders mess/uncertainty.
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Shitty picks though. 1 from Cleveland, 1 from Memphis
I'd be very happy with a (or 2) shitty first rounder in this draft.
Maybe as an extra piece of a deal but Cleveland's pick is like adding a second rounder. If that's all the Knicks get for Melo that's not very much, certainly wouldn't be "very happy" with that return.
What is with the Blazers having such horrid defenders at the guard slots, Crabbe included? It's not like the Knicks, who are bringing in retreads with age/physicaly problems (Rose, Calderon...)
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didn't have a good season but was better second half. He's the kind of guy that if the Knicks gave him his existing deal would be viewed as a "good gamble".
What is with the Blazers having such horrid defenders at the guard slots, Crabbe included? It's not like the Knicks, who are bringing in retreads with age/physicaly problems (Rose, Calderon...)
Blazers have some weird numbers with their bigs too. Not sure how to explain their roster etc.
Maybe as an extra piece of a deal but Cleveland's pick is like adding a second rounder. If that's all the Knicks get for Melo that's not very much, certainly wouldn't be "very happy" with that return.
As I've said a bunch of times, I don't expect much of a return for Melo so my standard for a good return is a LOT lower than others. I hope I'm proven wrong.
So when can I use the WS/48 metric and when can't I? Because they are identical players based off that and PER and a bunch of other advanced metrics? At age 24 Crabbe is a much more refined shooter than lee. Are we supposed to write him off as ever being a good defensive player? He certainly has size, isn't a bad athlete. At the end of the day they're both average/below average starting SGs in the NBA. I'd rather have the one that's 24? Or no?
Certainly having Willy makes it a good thing we didn't sign Monroe I guess, just not sure how he's considered a bad player. He's pretty underrated at this point.
Portland has zero cap space for the next 4 years
What are you talking about
They would need to trade 30 million dollars in salaries to acquire Melo
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and Lee is an above-average defender. I dont see the comp.
So when can I use the WS/48 metric and when can't I? Because they are identical players based off that and PER and a bunch of other advanced metrics? At age 24 Crabbe is a much more refined shooter than lee. Are we supposed to write him off as ever being a good defensive player? He certainly has size, isn't a bad athlete. At the end of the day they're both average/below average starting SGs in the NBA. I'd rather have the one that's 24? Or no?
I think it's fair to look at WS48 and say two guys are similarly impactful. But WS48 doesnt address why they are impactful. Lee is a defender and efficient, low volume shooter. Crabbe is a better shooter/scorer, worse defender. I was taking issue with Crabbe being a younger Lee in style/type, not with their relative contributions.
There are lots of guys with similar WS48. Mike Conley and Giannis are two PGs .001 apart in WS48. Obviously, you wouldnt call Giannis a young Mike Conely. That's what Im getting at.
Report: Celtics Coaches 'In Favor' Of Carmelo Anthony Trade:
^ Much more reasonable.
As a C's fan... I'd be pretty surprised if they gave up Crowder... and absolutely shocked if they gave any of the Nets good picks.
Sounds like Phil would be adamant on getting back Crowder
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Sounds like Phil would be adamant on getting back Crowder
I don't think Boston would give him up. He's their heart and soul defensively and despite their rep they aren't an especially great defensive team. Crowder for Melo is a major downgrade defensively. I think the Celtics would balk at giving up Crowder. I suspect they want to "pair" them together.
Without question, Ante brings to the table a level of energy and intangibles that will allow him initially as a role player to contribute, Blatt said, because hes going to rebound, hes going to run, hes going to go after loose balls, hes going to be able to finish and hes going to compete.
Blatt said the floor spacing in the NBA should help Zizic as he improves his skill set, but that the level of athleticism could initially be jarring, because as powerful as the Euroleague is, it is not the NBA.
Still, he is confident that Zizics competitive fire will make the adjustment easier.
You are not going to find a better kid than Ante Zizic, Blatt said. And I know how easy it is for people to say things like that, because thats what people do when they want to support their player.
But Im telling you, all b.s. aside, you will not find a better kid than Ante
I would 100% do this.
Fultz or Josh Jackson and we get a FA this summer with the cap space and the future is not mortgaged.
Fultz or Josh Jackson and we get a FA this summer with the cap space and the future is not mortgaged.
Melo's contract is anything but horrible. He has an opt out after the season. He's basically a rental.
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especially with that horrible contract (he gave the gift to Hortford) and IT is due for a max contract.
Fultz or Josh Jackson and we get a FA this summer with the cap space and the future is not mortgaged.
Melo's contract is anything but horrible. He has an opt out after the season. He's basically a rental.
So give up a lottery picks for a 1 yr rental while not being able to use 20mil for a long term tier-1 FA .... yup that is a good contract to pickup ... smh
I am being realistic about what would be asked for Melo ... Knicks will want premium picks or gut the roster which would be counter productive .... the Brooklyn picks will be asked of Ainge .... let's be realistic here
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said anything about a lottery pick being given up?
I am being realistic about what would be asked for Melo ... Knicks will want premium picks or gut the roster which would be counter productive .... the Brooklyn picks will be asked of Ainge .... let's be realistic here
That could not be farther from the truth. Pretty sure he will do it straight up for Crowder right now.
1. Hayward
2. Lowry
3. Millsap
4. Holiday
5. Ibaka
6. George Hill
7. Dwayne Wade
8. Teague
9. Iguodala
10. Derrick Rose
If there is anything working in the Knicks favor it's the lack of interesting FA inventory this off-season.
have to remember we need a true center as well (which is a bigger issue than an additional scorer)
76ers will make a deal this summer we can get Hayward time is on our side ...
I also would prefer Smart too. I've soured on him but if in the very off chance he becomes a half decent 3 point shooter you have a very good player on your hands. On the flip side, rozier is a 6'1" combo guard, it's hard envisioning him as anything more than a 6th man. Smart at least can guard multiple questions (up to the 4 in some situations).
If you just call him a 2 and stick him in the corner, he's a 34.3% corner 3 shooter. Not very good but passable. With KP capable of taking the longer 3s that guards usually take, it is doable. But you'd lose Smart in transition D to some degree.
"I'd say the key to his development will probably be improving as a defensive rebounder," Pelton said. "His translated defensive rebound percentage is 16.9 percent, which is below average for a power forward (18.4 percent). But his high-percentage finishing, ability to shoot the FIBA 3 and solid block rate are all encouraging for the Celtics."
Yabo is going to replace soft Kelly O .....
Smart and AB makes up for Thomas defensive issues ... that is why both are going to stay
Sure but I think he'd be a decent addition to KP/Willy + our lotto pick. I'm not expecting superstar but he seems multi-skilled, has range etc. Seems like a pretty decent get (either one of them).
Yabo is going to replace soft Kelly O .....
Smart and AB makes up for Thomas defensive issues ... that is why both are going to stay
Bradley, Crowder, smart and horford haven't proven to make up for Thomas's issues...why now?
If we would just rebound and box out ... that would reflect in easier scoring as well.
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The Celtics are very bullish on him. He's a strong, super-athletic big man who can stretch the floor and plays with both great energy and feel. He's a little undersized for his position, but the comparisons to Jae Crowder (or before the draft, Larry Johnson) seem apt.
I think I'd take his upside right now over that of Hernangomez or Brogdon."
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Willy, a year old, had "actual" per 36 stats of 16.0 points, 13.6 rebounds, and 2.6 assists. With 54% 2 point FG% (GY was 57% in a lesser league).
Sure but I think he'd be a decent addition to KP/Willy + our lotto pick. I'm not expecting superstar but he seems multi-skilled, has range etc. Seems like a pretty decent get (either one of them).
Oh, sure. I said I'd do him, Smart, and a #1. There was some talk of him being a guy who could play a Draymond like role. He seems too stocky for that. And in any event Draymond is kind of a unique player (and so much of what makes him great is between his ears).
If we would just rebound and box out ... that would reflect in easier scoring as well.
Yes I am. Thomas isn't doing any favors in rebounding or boxing out.
And let's not forget we are still discussing the Celtics vs an 8 seed. If we being practical, how the hell do you matchup when facing Kyrie Lebron and love??
There's 0 proof you can win a playoff series with thomas getting 35-40 minutes a night. They're playing the worst playoff team in the NBA and...no dice. Rondo being out may flip the script but it doesn't prove that the C's aren't anything but pretenders as currently constructed.
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they more than make up for his defensive liabilities ....
If we would just rebound and box out ... that would reflect in easier scoring as well.
Yes I am. Thomas isn't doing any favors in rebounding or boxing out.
And let's not forget we are still discussing the Celtics vs an 8 seed. If we being practical, how the hell do you matchup when facing Kyrie Lebron and love??
There's 0 proof you can win a playoff series with thomas getting 35-40 minutes a night. They're playing the worst playoff team in the NBA and...no dice. Rondo being out may flip the script but it doesn't prove that the C's aren't anything but pretenders as currently constructed.
Cs are doing just fine .... Keep IT where he is replace Amir Johnson with a defensive rebounding C and that there changes a lot ... our biggest weakness rebounding ... 2nd weakness is 2 punch to go with the #1 .... enter FA or trading the picks (the right deal no team gutting)...otherwise rebuild thru the draft as we are doing.
Big, good defender, can guard multiple positions, can hit the corner 3 when open, can finish at the rim.
I agree that a Frenchie/Smart backcourt could be fun.
Smart would also love being in NY, not that that matters at all.
His upside is probably a better KOQ which I wouldn't hate.
And they are adding the possible #1 pick in the draft on top of that.
The only thing missing, of course, (and it is, admittedly, a big thing) is a top flight, #1, bonafide star. I love IT, but his height prevents him from being that guy.
Anywho, getting back on topic: I still don't see why Boston would want to do a Melo trade. Does adding Melo have them beating Cleveland? No, most probably not.
Furthermore: what's the C's biggest weakness? Rebounding. Does Melo help with that? No... in fact, if they play Melo at the 4, a bad rebounding team just got worse.
The C's will continue to bind their time, and have the luxury of playing for both now and later (thanks to the Nets trade)... they should look to make a move if it's a good one, but I don't think they are greatly desiring Melo, even at a bargain price.
What are your contract projections. Obviously, only Harford and Crowder are under contract for 2018. I think they'll likely need to keep IT because what they otherwise lack is a guy who can make his own offense. I have to think that they need to move one of Bradley, Smart, or Crowder. It's a luxury to have all three of those defenders. Bradley is the best player among them but will cost the most. Crowder might be a guy you let go a season too early so you dont get caught with 2-3 seasons too many (i.e. I could see him being a guy who is only very good during his 4-5 prime seasons). Smart you may let walk if he demands too much.
But even at 110 million, it's not like they'll need more capspace. Brown, the Nets 2017 #1 and 2018 #1, Yabs, Zizic -- that's 15-20 million of insane talent to fill out the rotation.
So in summary: Yes, lots of money would need to be spent to keep everyone. But I dont think IT is where you save it. Unless maybe you get Fultz this year, but even then IT has lots of value.
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i know its milwaukee but if kidd and melo are still close i wonder if kidd could convince him to come?
parker and their first for melo? take on a bad contract?
Aren't getting Parker and the 17th pick in the draft for Melo c'mon lol That's absurd.
Lol keep dreaming.
Ainge is going to have to decide if he is going to build for future or build around it and horford...
my guess they build around it and horford and make trades for vers and trading for melo lrobably wont stop them from pursuing butler or george as well..
if they decide to go youth you might want to think about trading thomas while you can get a lot for him..
right now their team is going nowhere, 1 seed or not
Offensively, a revitalized Melo could do some oREB work. He's always been a strong offensive rebounder. He has been playing away from the basket a lot the past two seasons as the Knicks have 2 bigs out a lot of the time (and frankly, he's just not going there). But if he's a 4, he'll bully some rebounds.
Scoring aside, best part of Melo's game (career) has been rebounding.
Offensively, a revitalized Melo could do some oREB work. He's always been a strong offensive rebounder. He has been playing away from the basket a lot the past two seasons as the Knicks have 2 bigs out a lot of the time (and frankly, he's just not going there). But if he's a 4, he'll bully some rebounds.
Scoring aside, best part of Carmelo's game (career) has been rebounding.
The Carmelo Anthony you are talking about is a Carmelo Anthony that doesn't exist anymore...
... or, at the very least, a Carmelo that is dwindling fast.
Nah... it's rebounding, IMO. I've watched them all season.
They are a good team offensively. Not perfect, over-reliant on the 3... but their perimeter defense helps them manufacture points.
Rebounding is what kills them.
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is a second scorer. What am I missing. Whom do they have after IT that can get their own shot?
Nah... it's rebounding, IMO. I've watched them all season.
They are a good team offensively. Not perfect, over-reliant on the 3... but their perimeter defense helps them manufacture points.
Rebounding is what kills them.
stop thinking what worked for regular season..
if you want to win in the post season the celtics need another go to scorer..
cdltics are a good regular season team but in thenpost season they are going nowhere currently constructed
Sure, the C's could use another player that can create his own shot too. I never said otherwise.
Carmelo Anthony from 5 or 10 years ago might have been perfect in that role. That Anthony is gone, sadly... and I would argue his negatives outweigh his positives at this point.
maybe now that Rondo is out, sure.
I think the Clippers will move on from him. Blake S&T somewhere, Melo to LAC, assets to NY.
He's likely gone this season.
I just really wonder if someone can max him out right now. Seems terribly risky.
maybe griffin to boston, and knicks can get their hands on some picks and young players
Clips get:
Melo and Lee
Lakers get:
Griffin, Rivers and Wesley Johnson
Knicks get:
Russell, Randle, Deng, Brewer and the Rockets #1.
Ball, Ingram, PG, Blake, Zubac, Clarkson. Not shabby. That seems like something Phil Jackson was trying to bring to NY all along but it manifested into Derrick Rose and Noah instead of Blake and PG.