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Gil Brandt .... Giants may draft a QB.

Archer : 4/21/2017 12:26 pm
Gil Brandt was on Sirius radio this morning.
He was talking about teams that could draft a QB.
Gil suggested that the Giants were a prime candidate to select a QB. He also suggested that this is likely what the Giants will do.

Two players mentioned that the Giants may be targeting are Watson and Mahomes.

They are two completely different players.

Mahomes has rare arm talent. At his pro day, Mahomes easily threw the ball 80 yards. His velocity, at the combine, of 60 mph was the highest recorded since 2008. He is mobile and has all the attributes that you want in a QB.

However, he is very raw and will take a while to develop.

Watson is the antithesis of Mahomes in that he has a weak arm. His velocity at the combine varied from 44 mph - 49 mph. To put this in perspective since 2008, QBs who have been drafted with a 49 mph velocity include; Mike Glennon, Tonny Pike, Dan LeFavour,and Josh Johnson.The draftable threshold velocity for QBs is considered to be 55 mph.

There are some teams including the Giants who apparently do not put much stock in arm velocity. The Giants may believe that Watson has mechanical flaws that can be corrected.

I do not think that the Giants should draft a qb this year for many reasons, but, if they were I would take a chance on Mahomes.

Watson scares me.

In looking back at his games a lot of his throws are short passes less than 15 yards. His interceptions are not due to a lack of accuracy but the ball hangs. Michael Wiiliams saved Watson at least another 2-3 interceptions,by winning many contested balls.

I do not think that Watson's game translates to the NFL.
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'Watson has a larger problem'...  
Torrag : 4/21/2017 1:16 pm : link
This is a really shallow and poorly researched or defended opinion.
RE: RE: We'll take a project QB  
jpennyva : 4/21/2017 1:20 pm : link
In comment 13437335 mrvax said:
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Day 3



Wouldn't you rather wait a year, see what happens with Geno, then draft a QB next year in a QB rich draft? I would wait.


+1

That is exactly what I was thinking. It feels like they're rushing it.
This is smoke...  
Giant John : 4/21/2017 1:21 pm : link
He is doing the Giants a favor.
RE: RE: The  
Jim in Forest Hills : 4/21/2017 1:24 pm : link
In comment 13437383 Milton said:
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lack of ball velocity for Watson is particularly problematic since he'll be throwing in the swirling winds of the Meadowlands late in the season. Watson looks like a better, more mobile version of Danny Kanell. Great kid, but pass.

Mahomes is the classic "high ceiling," "low floor" player. Terrible mechanics and footwork. Great arm, but Kyle Boller once threw the ball through the goalposts from the 50 yard line on his knees. He was drafted in the first round. Couldn't play.

With someone like Mahomes you need to trust the interview process. How coachable is? How mentally tough is he? What's your read on his maturity and leadership qualities?

Personally, I wasn't impressed by him in his youtube interview with Gruden. And this quote was a major turn-off....

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I feel like a lot of coaches like me, but especially coach O'Brien. I think my personality and how real I am, those are things beyond what I can do on the field that he likes. It seemed like the way I was answering questions, I think he knew that I knew what was going on. You can tell when coaches have a confidence in you.

He may turn out to be the next Brett Favre, but as someone earlier suggested, he may turn out to be the next Kyle Boller. And the Giants don't need to be the team to roll the dice on Schrodinger's Cat.


I'm no way advocating drafting a QB at all this year, but reading scouts notes about Mahomes is that his head is in the right place. He's like Eli in that he's a 1st in/last out kind of work ethic. If true, makes sense that the Giants would be interested. A kid with that arm talent that works that hard would be hard to pass up.
In other words  
allstarjim : 4/21/2017 1:25 pm : link
Hey Houston and KC, might want to trade with us or ahead of us to get your guy, otherwise he may not be there for you, and push the talent that we want down to us at 23.
It isn't very shallow...  
FatMan in Charlotte : 4/21/2017 1:25 pm : link
I live in ACC country and opposing DC's were successful in baiting him to throw picks. When basic deficiencies are exposed in college, they often manifest themselves much worse in the NFL.

Basically, in most drafts he is a mid-round pick and several scouts have him as a 3rd round pick or lower.

Most QB's have weaknesses coming into the NFL, but Watson's are more fundamentally difficult to correct than others. Is he going to throw the ball harder? Is he going to read defense well all of a sudden? Is he going to not get fooled by a CB feinting playing zone?

I've heard him compared to Dak because of Prescott's success as a rookie, yet even there the comparison is flawed when it comes to INT's and accuracy:

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In this draft analyst's opinion, I would grade Watson as a third-round pick for the 2017 NFL Draft. Watson was off with his accuracy for much of 2016, displaying poor ball placement, especially when going downfield. He missed a lot of potential touchdowns as a result. Watson has a lot of room for improvement with his field vision, ball placement, and accuracy. There were instances where he flashed accuracy, but he had too many missed and poorly placed throws. Watson was better down the stretch in 2016, but he still has room for improvement in his accuracy for the NFL.

Watson has some strengths for the NFL that cause many to compare him to Dak Prescott. Like Prescott, Watson has great intangibles as a hard worker with good character off the field and leadership in the locker room. They both bring toughness and mobility to the table. When plays break down, they can use his athleticism to pick up yards on the ground and also can avoid sacks.

Where the comparison breaks down is in terms of accuracy and ball security. Prescott was much more accurate in college and threw far less interceptions. Prescott threw only five interceptions as a senior with 11 as a junior. Thus, Watson threw more interceptions (17) in 2016 than Prescott did in his final two years combined.

There are a lot of growth issues that Watson will need development for in the NFL - aside from his passing skills. Watson is also going to need to learn how to work under center, call plays in a huddle, and develop his footwork to make drops from being under center. His college offense has a lot of quick throws, screens, and designed runs that inflated his numbers but don't translate to the NFL. Some NFL sources believe that Watson is going to need his pro offense to be catered to him and that he could have issues fitting a NFL system.

In speaking with sources from teams around the NFL, their grades on Watson didn't match the media hype that he has received. I surveyed many teams to see where their initial draft grades were for Watson. Two playoff teams told me they had third-round grades on Watson. One said it was on the low end as a third- to fourth-rounder. Another playoff team told Walt that they had a third-round grade on Watson. Two other teams said they had second-round grades on Watson. All that being said, teams believe that Watson could be a late first-round quarterback, similar to Teddy Bridgewater, because of the dire need at the position across the NFL. A team could move back into the first round for Watson like Bridgewater. A general manager of an AFC team said that in the draft meetings in April, Watson will benefit from the 'Dak Prescott effect' and rise. Thus, it wouldn't surprise anyone if Watson is taken in the middle of the first round during the 2017 NFL Draft.
Haven't followed projections on QBs  
Jimmy Googs : 4/21/2017 1:27 pm : link
Is Mahomes most likely a Rd 1 pick or could he slide to Rd 2?
I don't think arm strength will be an issue for Watson ...  
Beer Man : 4/21/2017 1:32 pm : link
He has some issue with his mechanics that sometimes cause his throws to dip, but early in the national championship game he heaved a ball that easily carried 65 to 70 yards in the air (although he did overthrow the receiver)
RE: Watson has a larger problem..  
David in LA : 4/21/2017 1:37 pm : link
In comment 13437391 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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he's really poor at reading defenses. Combine that with a weak arm, and you have a terrible prospect. You are looking at a QB with 32 career INT's, several that were a result of just bad decision making.


How do you know he's "really poor" at reading defenses? He has a lot of picks, but conversely, he has a lot of TD's. Had a 2.5:1 TD:INT ratio last year. The design of the offense kind of limits his reads, but you can pretty much say that about a lot of QB's coming out.
Deshaun threw almost 600 passes last year  
David in LA : 4/21/2017 1:40 pm : link
Dak threw more than 100 less passes his senior year. Horrible comp. One was asked to do a LOT more than the other.
RE: RE: RE: The  
Milton : 4/21/2017 1:47 pm : link
In comment 13437415 Jim in Forest Hills said:
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I'm no way advocating drafting a QB at all this year, but reading scouts notes about Mahomes is that his head is in the right place. He's like Eli in that he's a 1st in/last out kind of work ethic. If true, makes sense that the Giants would be interested. A kid with that arm talent that works that hard would be hard to pass up.
It's about more than just hard work, it's about maturity, leadership, poise, mental toughness, intelligence, coachability, etc. I wasn't impressed by him in his interview with Gruden (and bragging about how "real" he is was a turn-off), but it's a very small sample. The team of scouts, coaches, and personnel execs on the Giants are operating on much better info than I, so I'll trust their judgment.
RE: Watson has a larger problem..  
Big Blue '56 : 4/21/2017 1:53 pm : link
In comment 13437391 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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he's really poor at reading defenses. Combine that with a weak arm, and you have a terrible prospect. You are looking at a QB with 32 career INT's, several that were a result of just bad decision making.


32 INTs..Great, a penchant just like our mediocre QB..Perfect..All In..
Doubtful;  
TMS : 4/21/2017 2:00 pm : link
till ELI starts to show wear and tear on the field or in his own words. He thinks he is good for 4/5 more years barring serious injury. Think management will give him the benefit of the doubt. Using a high pick on a QB (with potential) to sit on the beach and develop would be dumb move now. MO.
Well..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 4/21/2017 2:03 pm : link
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How do you know he's "really poor" at reading defenses?


Considering that opposing DC's have discussed baiting him into picks, the fact he's had 32 picks, and that several scouts have surmised this, it is at least out there.

Are there opposing positions that claim reading defenses is a strength?
I was thinking about this on the drive into work  
antdog24 : 4/21/2017 2:16 pm : link
it feels to me like they are going to trade up and get Mahomes... I think they really like this kid and they figure Eli has about 3 years left. Perfect time to draft a QB if he's the one they want and let him sit behind Eli for 2 or 3 years.
RE: I was thinking about this on the drive into work  
Devon : 4/21/2017 2:22 pm : link
In comment 13437533 antdog24 said:
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it feels to me like they are going to trade up and get Mahomes... I think they really like this kid and they figure Eli has about 3 years left. Perfect time to draft a QB if he's the one they want and let him sit behind Eli for 2 or 3 years.


Trading up in the first round for a player that you don't intend to play for 2 or 3 years while also paying another QB huge money is completely idiotic.
Conversely, he had 76 TD's to those 32 picks  
David in LA : 4/21/2017 2:22 pm : link
I know he's been baited by FSU twice, and Watson also plays against top notch competition. Not saying there aren't issues there, but how many QB's leave college understanding how to go through progressions when there's so many offenses that limit your reads?
its a poor QB draft  
msh : 4/21/2017 2:38 pm : link
would prefer they give eli the protection and more weapons to give him another tilt at winning it all over the least terrible of a bad QB class

i would like an OL and TE with the first 2 picks right now im leaning towards cam robinson and adam shaheen or njoku and holden maybe if njoku makes it to 23
watson and trubisky  
hitdog42 : 4/21/2017 2:39 pm : link
are well respected
Plus, I think it's hyperbolic to claim that Watson is  
David in LA : 4/21/2017 2:40 pm : link
a "TERRIBLE" prospect. That's laying it on a little thick.
Right now,  
Doomster : 4/21/2017 2:41 pm : link
the Giants are geared to win this coming season

So the first three picks will be used for potential starters, or players that will get significant playing time, liker a TE, RB, or DB......

After the third round, I doubt you can even find another Nassib....
RE: watson and trubisky  
Kevin in Annapolis : 4/21/2017 2:43 pm : link
In comment 13437585 hitdog42 said:
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are well respected


Thanks for passing along the info
Giants would have to suck  
fkap : 4/21/2017 2:50 pm : link
and/or pays a king's ransom to move up to top 5 next year. The reality is most likely that they are picking around the same spot this year as they will be next year. maybe 5 or so picks worse if they're mediocre. Value at 23 is more or less the same every year. It really doesn't matter if there is or isn't a bunch of QB's going before that. so what if there is no Payton or Eli Manning, or Ryan Leaf, or Luck, or (name the top rated QB of most years). You're not getting one of them if you're picking middling.

there may be more value in a 'deep' class of DL or CB, or TE, but that doesn't diminish the quality of a QB or OL available at 23. If a QB is worthy of the pick, pick him. Doesn't matter that there's no Eli in this draft class, but there might be next year. In all likelihood, we're not getting an Eli next year in the range we're hopefully picking.
Makes sense to get a kid onto the driving range...  
Racer : 4/21/2017 3:04 pm : link
..with Eli on the back 9.
Maybe Watson sandbagged  
CT Charlie : 4/21/2017 3:31 pm : link
so he'll get picked by the Pats.
Does anyone know the exit velocity...  
Dan in the Springs : 4/21/2017 3:44 pm : link
of Tom Brady's throws?

His arm is good enough, isn't it? I'm just curious if he has elite numbers there or not. My impression is that he didn't have what was considered to be an elite arm when he was coming out of college, but maybe I'm wrong on that.
Charles Robinson-  
DanMetroMan : 4/21/2017 3:49 pm : link
Deeper dives on Webb have been undertaken by the Chiefs, Cardinals, Pittsburgh Steelers, New York Jets, New York Giants and 49ers. Webb has also said on a few occasions that “double-digit” NFL teams have told him they have put a first-round grade on him. That’s a buzzy statement but it remains to be seen if it materializes. What isn’t in question is whether Webb is drawing serious attention. He is, despite being billed as a player who will need a year or two of mechanical work (on his throwing and footwork) to be effective in the NFL. Seen as a likely middle-round pick in January, Webb is looking like a second-round lock. And his arm strength may get a team at the end of the first round to bite or induce a trade up by an early second-round team.
Robinson  
DanMetroMan : 4/21/2017 3:50 pm : link
Every few drafts, there is a volcanic “media heat” quarterback. Almost always, it’s a guy who wows everyone with exquisite arm talent. This year, that’s Mahomes, who has drawn some media comparisons to Hall of Famer Brett Favre’s unforgettable cannon. That’s some serious praise and probably overhyped.

One evaluator said it was more along the lines of Jay Cutler, noting that the challenge was determining if Mahomes was more Favre or Cutler when it came to intangibles and leadership – not arm strength. That undertaking, along with the possibility that Mahomes may be on the draft board longer than Trubisky or Watson, has led to personal visits or workouts with more than half the NFL since the scouting combine. Among those who have done the most work on Mahomes: The Browns, Chiefs, Texans, Saints, Chargers, Cardinals, Bears, 49ers, Giants, Jets, Steelers and Bills.
This article seems to imply that low exit velocity can be fixed...  
Dan in the Springs : 4/21/2017 3:51 pm : link
Tom Brady, Drew Brees, among top QB's who have worked on their throwing mechanics to success

Maybe the Giants have already analyzed the mechanics of Watson and know they can fix what he's doing wrong with some time. Any QB coming to the Giants is going to get some time to work on this anyway.
Dan, in my eyes, if you pop in Michigan Brady film  
David in LA : 4/21/2017 3:54 pm : link
and look at recent film on Brady, there's a noticeable difference in velocity. IIRC he really worked on his legs to improve the strength of his base.
Yeah - here's a great article...  
Dan in the Springs : 4/21/2017 3:59 pm : link
that describes his arm as being sub-par when he was drafted.

One of the knocks on Brady coming out was he couldn’t “drive” the ball.
The  
AcidTest : 4/21/2017 5:15 pm : link
problem is that they are "system" QBs, except for Peterman and Kayaa.

Mahomes and Webb come from "air raid," "bear raid" offenses, that emphasize quick throws. That means one or two reads at most, many of which are close to the LOS. 60-65% of Webb's throws were within 10 yards of the LOS. They also have little to no experience in a huddle, or making three, five, or seven step drops.

Webb's highlights show a QB who makes some nice sideline ("rail") throws, but very few to the second and third levels. He also has some accuracy issues, and isn't a threat to scramble.

Mahomes is much more mobile, to the point where he tries to be a "hero" on every play. His awesome arm will also get him into a lot of trouble in the NFL, and may be the reason why he never developed proper footwork or mechanics. He didn't need to in college. But he will in the NFL.

Watson has a lot of the same problems. Lots of quick throws, and gets stuck on his first read. Low ball velocity. Accuracy issues. 30 INTs the last two seasons. How many of those interceptions were his fault is subject to debate. Brady's velocity may have been low when he was drafted, but he was a sixth, not a first, round pick.

Peterman and Kayaa come from a pro set offense. But Peterman is pretty close to his ceiling, and Kayaa doesn't have enough arm strength to survive the swirling winds of the Meadowlands late in the season.

Evans is just too raw. He absolutely should have gone back to school.

I still say they shouldn't draft any QB, but Seth Russell in the sixth round is fine. Assuming he's healthy, he has at least as much "upside" as Webb.

What about Kizer? He's the wildcard. His 2015 tape is quite good, and he had a lot of drops in 2016, although he could have had three or four more INTs. He reminds me of a thinner, more mobile, version of Daunte Culpepper. He's made some gorgeous throws. He's made some awful throws. I think the Steelers will take Kizer.

Here's what I think will happen:

Trubisky: Browns.
Mahomes: Cardinals.
Texans: Watson.
Steelers: Kizer.

Giants: 10-15% chance they take Mahomes, Webb, or Kizer, in that order at #23. No trade up for Mahomes.

The Giants are looking more than they have in the past, but they're still "window" shopping. It doesn't mean they're buying. Reese likes to be as certain as possible in the first round, which excludes any of these QBs. This team desperately needs DL help. Hankins is gone, and there is only the still essentially unproven Okwara behind JPP and Vernon, who played 90% of the snaps last season. That's where the pick will be, or perhaps an edge rusher.
RE: The  
Milton : 4/21/2017 5:45 pm : link
In comment 13437865 AcidTest said:
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This team desperately needs DL help. Hankins is gone, and there is only the still essentially unproven Okwara behind JPP and Vernon, who played 90% of the snaps last season.
I don't see how you can say that a DL with JPP, Vernon, and Snacks as starters "desperately" needs DL help. If they desperately need DL help, what does it say about the level of need on OL?
RE: RE: The  
Milton : 4/21/2017 5:48 pm : link
In comment 13437893 Milton said:
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This team desperately needs DL help. Hankins is gone, and there is only the still essentially unproven Okwara behind JPP and Vernon, who played 90% of the snaps last season.

I don't see how you can say that a DL with JPP, Vernon, and Snacks as starters "desperately" needs DL help. If they desperately need DL help, what does it say about the level of need on OL?
I would hate to see them reach for a DL out of "desperation" if an OL with a higher grade was available at the time.
QB's are about conviction..  
Sean : 4/21/2017 5:48 pm : link
if Reese & McAdoo have conviction about a guy at 23 who can be the next guy, you better take him.

I wonder if Packer fans were saying 'we better not take a QB in the first round in 2005'?
If a guy like Webb falls to them in 2 I could see them taking a QB  
steve in ky : 4/21/2017 5:58 pm : link
I would be a little surprised if they use the number one pick. But I guess if they are convinced a franchise QB is sitting there at 23 they might not want to pass on him. But a raw 3-4 your project is still a reach IMO. I hope they don't go that route.
Btw..  
Milton : 4/21/2017 6:17 pm : link
I think Kizer tumbles like a rock. I wouldn't be surprised if he lasts into Day 3.
RE: RE: RE: We'll take a project QB  
montanagiant : 4/21/2017 7:08 pm : link
In comment 13437362 Rjanyg said:
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Day 3



Wouldn't you rather wait a year, see what happens with Geno, then draft a QB next year in a QB rich draft? I would wait.



Yes, wait until next year. 100% agree.

Yup, Added benefit is you will have him longer on his rookie contract as a starter vs drafting him this draft and Eli retires in 3 years
I'm  
Jon in NYC : 4/21/2017 7:12 pm : link
fully on the Mahomes bandwagon. He has rare tools. Not his fault he played in a gimmick offense. He makes plays with his arm and legs. Give him a few years to learn and grow.
Giants may draft a QB  
David B. : 4/21/2017 8:02 pm : link
RE: I could see Mahomes.  
chopperhatch : 4/21/2017 8:29 pm : link
In comment 13437329 Kevin in Annapolis said:
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The Giants would be a good place for him because he could sit and learn for a year or two.

Not saying we should, but if the FO thinks that he can be special then I could see it.


Mahomes is the only guy I am somewhat intrigued about the Giaants taking. But he reminds me so much of JT Losman. Granted, Id be interested in seeing how much Eli could rub off on him. Although acouple things. I havent heard much about Eli going out of his way to mentor people whether it be QBs or his WRs and I get the impression that Mahomes' personality and Eli's are so different that they would clash.
I'd like to point out a few things regarding Watson  
BSIMatt : 4/21/2017 10:15 pm : link
Just bringing them to the table because there was a Giants caller on Sirius the last week asking if Pat and Jim if they thought the Giants were looking QB and if Watson was a poor fit for the Giants.

They both said they thought the Giants were already set at QB with a great quarterback in Eli and they didn't see Giants looking for a quarterback early.

That being said the discussion turned to Watson, they both saw Watson as having no issues fitting the Giants offense. Saying he could make the necessary throws. Pat Kirwan specifically referenced the interceptions, saying that with the amount that Clemson threw the ball with him that it equated to 1 interception every 37 throws which was not a red flag by any means.

I think I would be more excited about Mahomes, just because of the upside he would present but I think some of these velocitiy numbers need to be taken in the context of a full evaluation of a prospect and not by arm chair analysts in a vacuum.

I would first put weight into what scouts thought about Watson's arm based on extensive game film evaluation. If arm strength was a red flag based on what they saw on film and the velocity numbers from the combine corroborated that concern then I would be worried. If arm strength wasn't a clear red flag based on evaluating game play then I wouldn't discount those velocity numbers but you might be able to research to come up with an idea where the disconnect may stem from.

I would liken it to the 40 times, if a player demonstrated explosive big play ability repeatedly on film and then didn't perform up to expectations in the 40 would you really toss out hours of film evidence based on results from a single day of testing? I think these concerns need to be taken within a larger context of scouting a player and not in a vacuum where fans see mph numbers and high int totals and just play a game of connect the dots
not the year of the QB  
xman : 4/21/2017 11:57 pm : link
but teams like to reach out of desperation
Guys guys  
King Quis : 4/22/2017 7:28 am : link
You have to look at it like this ..... if you had the chance to draft Matthew Stafford at the 23rd pick this year with all of your current needs would you do it? I wouldn't hesitate... that's a yes and I believe that's the type of player Mahomes will be.
Watson and arm strength  
Archer : 4/22/2017 8:33 am : link
High velocity will not predict future success , however, velocity below 55 MPH for a QB is like playing OT with 32" arms.

Watson threw between 44 MPH and 49 MPH that is scary bad.
The Giants may believe that they can improve on his velocity by improving his mechanics. That is a big risk. If he was a third round pick he might be worth the gamble.

If Reese were to go to Watson and the Giants were not able to fix him. It could set the Giants back years.
Archer RE:Watson  
area junc : 4/22/2017 10:34 am : link
I see him as a sound fit in a West Coast Offense, which is generally willing to sacrifice size and arm strength for mobility and accuracy. Reports from the Combine were Watson showed surprisingly good accuracy on his short throws and he has elite, off-the-charts mobility. He creates unconventional completions that don't require you to drive the ball by extending plays.

You always go back to the tape to check to arm because he's a gamer. Ups his level of play when the lights are on and ups it again in the clutch. With the game on the line and a throw he has to make he isn't throwing it 44 mph.
RE: RE: RE: The  
Carson53 : 4/22/2017 10:46 am : link
In comment 13437415 Jim in Forest Hills said:
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lack of ball velocity for Watson is particularly problematic since he'll be throwing in the swirling winds of the Meadowlands late in the season. Watson looks like a better, more mobile version of Danny Kanell. Great kid, but pass.

Mahomes is the classic "high ceiling," "low floor" player. Terrible mechanics and footwork. Great arm, but Kyle Boller once threw the ball through the goalposts from the 50 yard line on his knees. He was drafted in the first round. Couldn't play.

With someone like Mahomes you need to trust the interview process. How coachable is? How mentally tough is he? What's your read on his maturity and leadership qualities?

Personally, I wasn't impressed by him in his youtube interview with Gruden. And this quote was a major turn-off....

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I feel like a lot of coaches like me, but especially coach O'Brien. I think my personality and how real I am, those are things beyond what I can do on the field that he likes. It seemed like the way I was answering questions, I think he knew that I knew what was going on. You can tell when coaches have a confidence in you.

He may turn out to be the next Brett Favre, but as someone earlier suggested, he may turn out to be the next Kyle Boller. And the Giants don't need to be the team to roll the dice on Schrodinger's Cat.



I'm no way advocating drafting a QB at all this year, but reading scouts notes about Mahomes is that his head is in the right place. He's like Eli in that he's a 1st in/last out kind of work ethic. If true, makes sense that the Giants would be interested. A kid with that arm talent that works that hard would be hard to pass up.



I never ever trust QB's from Texas Tech, and I am pretty sure that a NFL GM will keep that in mind as well.
They don't do things related to what a QB does in the NFL
at that school. That includes even taking a snap from center. They look to the sidelines for the play, run a
spread offense, and just throw the ball. You have 4 receivers, and here we go. Graham Harrell comes to mind
(yeah I know he was smaller), but set all kinds of records in college, wound up in the CFL, then a few years in the NFL
as a backup. They don't do a lot of reading defenses at TT.
I wouldn't take a Mahomes in the first round,
but hey Paxton Lynch was taken in the first round too...
He was also ill prepared for the NFL game coming out of Memphis, similar to TT, about how the QB 'runs' an offense.
JR  
Carson53 : 4/22/2017 10:54 am : link
wait until next year on a QB. Your present QB might just
have a burr up his saddle with the recent memorabilia BS
that has been floating around. On occasion, I wouldn't mind
if Elisha showed that same fire in hie belly on the field too.
I know it's not his nature, just saying I wouldn't mind seeing it once in a while. If the QB class s suppose to better in 2018, then wait a year. It's not like somebody is going to
play right away anyhow.
It's simple. Watson amen Mahomes are total projections  
LauderdaleMatty : 4/22/2017 10:59 am : link
This athletic ability is off the charts. Can they learn to be NFL QBs? Do
U want to pass up a Landon Collins for a guy who may not be able to ever transition. Then again maybe you are passing up a David Wilson.

To me there will be a very good
Starter level player at CB S LB or even OL. I think someone will grab Mahomes People are in love w his arm. Way before 23. Watson scares me that he has so much to learn to transion into an NFL QB when one of
Those other positions may be the missing part tona bigger playoff run
Watson at the combine....  
Archer : 4/22/2017 12:29 pm : link
I have read conflicting reports on Watson at the combine and at his pro day.
The general opinion was that he was accurate and demonstrated excellent feet. It appeared that he mastered the 3',5',7' drops.

However, there are reports from scouts such as what I read at
Walter Football..

Quote:

"As for Deshaun Watson, he had an inconsistent showing. His deep ball was good, but his accuracy was underwhelming. Watson needed a great day because of numerous lingering concerns from NFL teams, as well as his poor showing in the throwing-power drill at the combine, as his ball velocity measured at just 49 mph, which was far worse than the other top quarterbacks: "
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