They are dropping like a parachuter whose chute won't open.
The video of Mixon's punch was scary...I'm an ex pug, I can tell when a man knows what he's doing, the right-hand cross he hit that woman with could have been lethal.
This is an unverified quote from another site:
"I've seen some places where scouts say Cook off the field stuff is way worse then Mixon's. It was reported that Cook has had 2 incidents with violence towards women, had to have some animals rescued from his property for improper care and multiple gun incidents. Great talent but tons of red flags."
I've also read repeatedly that Cook interviews badly.
So if they're there, do we want people like this in blue?
Apples and oranges - Ray Rice was already on the downside of his career, coming off a season where he had faded. RBs at that point of their playing careers have a hard time getting jobs even with a clean record.
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We all saw the viciousness of the Ray Rice punch, and to this day no NFL team has touched him (even with Ray offering to play for free). Mixon's hit was worse.
Apples and oranges - Ray Rice was already on the downside of his career, coming off a season where he had faded. RBs at that point of their playing careers have a hard time getting jobs even with a clean record.
I think he'll go in the 3 or 4th at the latest. The teams with lots of comp picks will burn one. Don't know if the Vikings fall into that group but they have been floating out stories about taking players that won't be popular with fans, easing in to the PR uproar that's going to follow.
Just too much opportunity to screw up and too many people willing to help them do it.
People seem to overlook that Rice was starting to show some decline.
Just too much opportunity to screw up and too many people willing to help them do it.
I think this is overblown. Unless they do something stupid the media won't matter
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the one problem in his game is being too patient at times on stretch run plays and taking the first hole he sees, which can be coached
He is a very talented prospect and would cut the need for 5 RB's on this team.
If he is there at good value I hope the giants get him, and get someone to be on top of him so that he stays out of trouble, put clauses in his contract.
This is the common misconception that analyst spew and then it becomes reality to sheep minded individuals.
A player can get in trouble in Arizona just as much as they can in NY,NV or Cali
the one problem in his game is being too patient at times on stretch run plays and taking the first hole he sees, which can be coached
He is a very talented prospect and would cut the need for 5 RB's on this team.
If he is there at good value I hope the giants get him, and get someone to be on top of him so that he stays out of trouble, put clauses in his contract.
Putting clauses in his contract does not protect the Giants from wasting a pick. ASSUME he is picked at 23 or 55 and signs this clause filled contract. If he gets in trouble, for violent behavior and the Giants release him as they did Josh Brown, the Giants will have still wasted a first or second round pick and will also be on the hook for any signing bonus. If he is suspended we still lose his services for that time. What good would it do the Giants to save $500,000 or $1,000,000 if they lose the services of a top pick?
This is the common misconception that analyst spew and then it becomes reality to sheep minded individuals.
A player can get in trouble in Arizona just as much as they can in NY,NV or Cali
I don't think it's a guarantee but weve seen NY engulf players before and it's flat out different than living and playing in Arizona. That isn't even the reason I wouldn't draft him, but it's on the laundry list of reasons why I wouldn't.
This is the common misconception that analyst spew and then it becomes reality to sheep minded individuals.
A player can get in trouble in Arizona just as much as they can in NY,NV or Cali
Saying that the press gets players in trouble is not the point. But there are more media outlets in NY then most of the leagues cities, maybe more than any. That means more coverage, more times he'll have to answer the same questions on his maturity and on the video of him striking a woman. Each time the question is asked is another opportunity for him to test his self control.
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Has great cutting ability, strong, shifty, can catch, runs good routes, patient to let blocks form, can make something out of nothing in the back field.
the one problem in his game is being too patient at times on stretch run plays and taking the first hole he sees, which can be coached
He is a very talented prospect and would cut the need for 5 RB's on this team.
If he is there at good value I hope the giants get him, and get someone to be on top of him so that he stays out of trouble, put clauses in his contract.
Putting clauses in his contract does not protect the Giants from wasting a pick. ASSUME he is picked at 23 or 55 and signs this clause filled contract. If he gets in trouble, for violent behavior and the Giants release him as they did Josh Brown, the Giants will have still wasted a first or second round pick and will also be on the hook for any signing bonus. If he is suspended we still lose his services for that time. What good would it do the Giants to save $500,000 or $1,000,000 if they lose the services of a top pick?
Tell me the last time one of jerry's 3-4th round picks panned out? i'll wait
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Has great cutting ability, strong, shifty, can catch, runs good routes, patient to let blocks form, can make something out of nothing in the back field.
the one problem in his game is being too patient at times on stretch run plays and taking the first hole he sees, which can be coached
He is a very talented prospect and would cut the need for 5 RB's on this team.
If he is there at good value I hope the giants get him, and get someone to be on top of him so that he stays out of trouble, put clauses in his contract.
Putting clauses in his contract does not protect the Giants from wasting a pick. ASSUME he is picked at 23 or 55 and signs this clause filled contract. If he gets in trouble, for violent behavior and the Giants release him as they did Josh Brown, the Giants will have still wasted a first or second round pick and will also be on the hook for any signing bonus. If he is suspended we still lose his services for that time. What good would it do the Giants to save $500,000 or $1,000,000 if they lose the services of a top pick?
Tell me the last time one of jerry's 3-4th round picks panned out? i'll wait
So if Mixon is picked in the 3rd or 4th you expect him to be a bust?
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Has great cutting ability, strong, shifty, can catch, runs good routes, patient to let blocks form, can make something out of nothing in the back field.
the one problem in his game is being too patient at times on stretch run plays and taking the first hole he sees, which can be coached
He is a very talented prospect and would cut the need for 5 RB's on this team.
If he is there at good value I hope the giants get him, and get someone to be on top of him so that he stays out of trouble, put clauses in his contract.
Putting clauses in his contract does not protect the Giants from wasting a pick. ASSUME he is picked at 23 or 55 and signs this clause filled contract. If he gets in trouble, for violent behavior and the Giants release him as they did Josh Brown, the Giants will have still wasted a first or second round pick and will also be on the hook for any signing bonus. If he is suspended we still lose his services for that time. What good would it do the Giants to save $500,000 or $1,000,000 if they lose the services of a top pick?
And what if he doesn't get in trouble which is the reasons for clauses. The kid already lost a lot of money and he knows it, money is the common denominator for most of these athletes and if you threaten it they shape up 90% of the time. its a risk worth taking.
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Has great cutting ability, strong, shifty, can catch, runs good routes, patient to let blocks form, can make something out of nothing in the back field.
the one problem in his game is being too patient at times on stretch run plays and taking the first hole he sees, which can be coached
He is a very talented prospect and would cut the need for 5 RB's on this team.
If he is there at good value I hope the giants get him, and get someone to be on top of him so that he stays out of trouble, put clauses in his contract.
Putting clauses in his contract does not protect the Giants from wasting a pick. ASSUME he is picked at 23 or 55 and signs this clause filled contract. If he gets in trouble, for violent behavior and the Giants release him as they did Josh Brown, the Giants will have still wasted a first or second round pick and will also be on the hook for any signing bonus. If he is suspended we still lose his services for that time. What good would it do the Giants to save $500,000 or $1,000,000 if they lose the services of a top pick?
Tell me the last time one of jerry's 3-4th round picks panned out? i'll wait
So if Mixon is picked in the 3rd or 4th you expect him to be a bust?
If Mixon lasts to the end of round 2 which I personally dont see happening it would be a steal thereafter
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constantly believe that this new york media is more sinister than any other media outlet out there or that there is more chance to get in trouble in NY than anywhere else.
This is the common misconception that analyst spew and then it becomes reality to sheep minded individuals.
A player can get in trouble in Arizona just as much as they can in NY,NV or Cali
I don't think it's a guarantee but weve seen NY engulf players before and it's flat out different than living and playing in Arizona. That isn't even the reason I wouldn't draft him, but it's on the laundry list of reasons why I wouldn't.
If a player wants to party and get into situations that would lead to trouble he can do that anywhere. NY is not this sharks cove that people make it out to be. The media is globally sinister.
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constantly believe that this new york media is more sinister than any other media outlet out there or that there is more chance to get in trouble in NY than anywhere else.
This is the common misconception that analyst spew and then it becomes reality to sheep minded individuals.
A player can get in trouble in Arizona just as much as they can in NY,NV or Cali
Saying that the press gets players in trouble is not the point. But there are more media outlets in NY then most of the leagues cities, maybe more than any. That means more coverage, more times he'll have to answer the same questions on his maturity and on the video of him striking a woman. Each time the question is asked is another opportunity for him to test his self control.
And... so what? the giants have PR reps for that, they can prep him for those questions... the giants have leaders in the locker room that can deflect those questions, are you implying that the kid would be a locker room cancer cause of the incident or that this magical distraction we love to bring up as a debate stopper would affect the giants or any team?
A player is a cancer because his attitude states that, the kid will walk into any locker room and be humbled if he is truly past his transgressions.
Tell me the last time one of jerry's 3-4th round picks panned out? i'll wait
So if Mixon is picked in the 3rd or 4th you expect him to be a bust?
If Mixon lasts to the end of round 2 which I personally dont see happening it would be a steal thereafter [/quote]
You contradict yourself. First he is a 3rd or 4th, now you'll be surprised it he lasts through the 2nd.
I won't respond to you again. It's not worth my time to argue with posts like this.
Tell me the last time one of jerry's 3-4th round picks panned out? i'll wait
So if Mixon is picked in the 3rd or 4th you expect him to be a bust?
If Mixon lasts to the end of round 2 which I personally dont see happening it would be a steal thereafter
You contradict yourself. First he is a 3rd or 4th, now you'll be surprised it he lasts through the 2nd. [/quote]
you have reading comprehension problems.
I said he would be a steal in 3-4th round if the fall due to the incident actually transpires.
'PERSONALLY' I don't thin he wold last to the end of the 2nd round in which if he does it would be a steal from that point there after in any round
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no evidence to state that there will be a downside
to drafting Mixon.
I won't respond to you again. It's not worth my time to argue with posts like this.
Okay, I accept your submission on this debate. I will leave it with this, just as easily as you all are saying he is a risk is as easy as saying he wont be a risk, you and I have no clue.
Based on the upside of what we can see and has been measured by NFL standards of evaluating the value is greater than the potential downside of what we don't know.. objective > subjective
Mixon does not have a history of domestic violence outside of this incident which is now deemed isolated. He like ray rice didn't just start waling on this girl over words it was an exchange of assaults in which both were wrong and she even stated that in her statement.
If they can get over it and move on, some of you can do so too. get over it!
Tunsil and Collins would have been taken if integrity didn't play a factor.
you mad?
Tunsil and Collins would have been taken if integrity didn't play a factor.
josh brown stated that the Giants knew about his incidents well before the reports came out, they only nixed him after the scrutiny came.
The media knows about this, she's over it, she took the hush money and even made a hush statement. He's over it hasn't been in trouble since if i recall correctly and did his community service, served his suspension and volunteered with organizations to help troubled youths... yet you guys want to continually crucify him.
Therefore he's a great guy.
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believe it or not some franchises have standards. I'd like to think the Giants are one of them. We can point to how Josh Brown was handled and a few others but I don't think the Giants will willingly sign up for anguy like Mixon and the circus that will follow.
Tunsil and Collins would have been taken if integrity didn't play a factor.
josh brown stated that the Giants knew about his incidents well before the reports came out, they only nixed him after the scrutiny came.
The media knows about this, she's over it, she took the hush money and even made a hush statement. He's over it hasn't been in trouble since if i recall correctly and did his community service, served his suspension and volunteered with organizations to help troubled youths... yet you guys want to continually crucify him.
I don't know what to tell you man. BBI votes won't be why we do or don't draft Mixon. I personally don't want him on this team. I see why others do, I just don't, it is what it is.
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believe it or not some franchises have standards. I'd like to think the Giants are one of them. We can point to how Josh Brown was handled and a few others but I don't think the Giants will willingly sign up for anguy like Mixon and the circus that will follow.
Tunsil and Collins would have been taken if integrity didn't play a factor.
josh brown stated that the Giants knew about his incidents well before the reports came out, they only nixed him after the scrutiny came.
The media knows about this, she's over it, she took the hush money and even made a hush statement. He's over it hasn't been in trouble since if i recall correctly and did his community service, served his suspension and volunteered with organizations to help troubled youths... yet you guys want to continually crucify him.
I don't know what to tell you man. BBI votes won't be why we do or don't draft Mixon. I personally don't want him on this team. I see why others do, I just don't, it is what it is.
agreed, whether he's here or not, lets just hope he'e not on a div rival team
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But if I was, would it be an axcuse for hitting someone?
A woman of 100 pounds can launch a punch with enough force and velocity at the right area to knock you out, I saw a video online where a woman closed fist punched a guy 20+ time in the face and back of the head, I've seen online again a teenager female bullying a boy hitting, pushing kicking while these millennials are laughing/recording instead of stopping it.
Whether you like it or not in certain states ms. molitor could of been charged with battery at most assault. regardless of weight, height, gender.
i refuse to go into why she wasn't charged with anything thats a different topic, why did it take this long to settle? why now so close to the draft? what happened to standing up for woman's rights and the fight against domestic violence, what will her followers say now that she took the money and vowed to move on? is she a sell out? is she wrong?
I won't judge her decisions, just like i wont judge mixon's as I have been put in that situation where a woman threw an object at me and busted my lip and for a minute i wanted to bust hers, but I called the cops instead and got kicked out of my own apartment for the night.
People react differently when angry and emotions are flared, i am not going back into this. it over she made a statement, shes over it, hes over it, she gave him a clean statement whether it was written by her or her lawyer it doesn't matter, she too the money, her pride and moral standing had a price in the end.
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would be stalked and destroyed by the NY sports media, irrespective of any future behavior. Unless you locked these guys in a monastery, the Big Apple + NY sports media = doom.
Just too much opportunity to screw up and too many people willing to help them do it.
I think this is overblown. Unless they do something stupid the media won't matter
If you think it's overblown, you don't know the NY Sports media. For hacks adept at manufacturing stories out of nothing, exaggerating anything and not overly concerned about getting in-depth, truthful information, these two players' rap sheets will be the gifts that keep on giving. They'll be able to plug in a few anonymous sources, write the stories in advance and go on vacation for however long they would last before getting booted.
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you mad?
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But if I was, would it be an axcuse for hitting someone?
A woman of 100 pounds can launch a punch with enough force and velocity at the right area to knock you out, I saw a video online where a woman closed fist punched a guy 20+ time in the face and back of the head, I've seen online again a teenager female bullying a boy hitting, pushing kicking while these millennials are laughing/recording instead of stopping it.
Whether you like it or not in certain states ms. molitor could of been charged with battery at most assault. regardless of weight, height, gender.
i refuse to go into why she wasn't charged with anything thats a different topic, why did it take this long to settle? why now so close to the draft? what happened to standing up for woman's rights and the fight against domestic violence, what will her followers say now that she took the money and vowed to move on? is she a sell out? is she wrong?
I won't judge her decisions, just like i wont judge mixon's as I have been put in that situation where a woman threw an object at me and busted my lip and for a minute i wanted to bust hers, but I called the cops instead and got kicked out of my own apartment for the night.
People react differently when angry and emotions are flared, i am not going back into this. it over she made a statement, shes over it, hes over it, she gave him a clean statement whether it was written by her or her lawyer it doesn't matter, she too the money, her pride and moral standing had a price in the end.
Yes people react differently while under stress. Some say that this is when a person's true character is revealed. What did it reveal about Mixon's? He may very well need real help to deal with his anger. He does not need enablers.
I'm done now. I only rejoined the thread because somehow you claimed victory when I left earlier. So this time I will be clear. I don't want Mixon on the Giants. I think he is a suspension waiting to happen, at minimum, and I feel sorry for the next woman that gets in his way.
There is a greater chance that the Giants try to convert Eli to LT and make Flowers a WR, than the Giants drafting Cook or Mixon at 23. Especially Mixon.
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would be stalked and destroyed by the NY sports media, irrespective of any future behavior. Unless you locked these guys in a monastery, the Big Apple + NY sports media = doom.
Just too much opportunity to screw up and too many people willing to help them do it.
I think this is overblown. Unless they do something stupid the media won't matter
If you think it's overblown, you don't know the NY Sports media. For hacks adept at manufacturing stories out of nothing, exaggerating anything and not overly concerned about getting in-depth, truthful information, these two players' rap sheets will be the gifts that keep on giving. They'll be able to plug in a few anonymous sources, write the stories in advance and go on vacation for however long they would last before getting booted.
So you are saying you dont trust the Giants PR team? or that the coach,owners, or GM can't get this under wrap?
you are right I don't know NY media, im not anyone of importance to know the NY media, here is how fandom works if he comes here the media will say what they want the minute he goes out there and scores a TD it disappears thats how fickle fans are; morally higher than thou until the player does good by them and they all fall in line.
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But if I was, would it be an axcuse for hitting someone?
A woman of 100 pounds can launch a punch with enough force and velocity at the right area to knock you out, I saw a video online where a woman closed fist punched a guy 20+ time in the face and back of the head, I've seen online again a teenager female bullying a boy hitting, pushing kicking while these millennials are laughing/recording instead of stopping it.
You sure have some odd viewing habits or this is quite an obsession for you.
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Whether you like it or not in certain states ms. molitor could of been charged with battery at most assault. regardless of weight, height, gender.
Understood. But lets assume the police have more information regarding the incident than you or I.
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i refuse to go into why she wasn't charged with anything thats a different topic, why did it take this long to settle? why now so close to the draft? what happened to standing up for woman's rights and the fight against domestic violence, what will her followers say now that she took the money and vowed to move on? is she a sell out? is she wrong?
Good. It would be pure conjecture on your part anyway. Unless you have inside information you earlier claimed not to have. Oh, this paragraph makes your next sentence a little ironic. I won't judge her decisions .
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I won't judge her decisions, just like i wont judge mixon's as I have been put in that situation where a woman threw an object at me and busted my lip and for a minute i wanted to bust hers, but I called the cops instead and got kicked out of my own apartment for the night.
I really am glad you didn't feel justified to smack her around some. I wonder if that experience makes you defend Mixon. You must've been pissed getting kicked out of you apartment after she attacked you. To be treated so unfairly with no recourse. I wonder if this is why you defend Mixon so vigorously.
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People react differently when angry and emotions are flared, i am not going back into this. it over she made a statement, shes over it, hes over it, she gave him a clean statement whether it was written by her or her lawyer it doesn't matter, she too the money, her pride and moral standing had a price in the end.
Yes people react differently while under stress. Some say that this is when a person's true character is revealed. What did it reveal about Mixon's? He may very well need real help to deal with his anger. He does not need enablers.
I'm done now. I only rejoined the thread because somehow you claimed victory when I left earlier. So this time I will be clear. I don't want Mixon on the Giants. I think he is a suspension waiting to happen, at minimum, and I feel sorry for the next woman that gets in his way.
I defend whats right, women cannot go around just hitting men and think its okay, they cannot just go around thinking they are immediately the victim because they are women.
you as a man claiming that they are always the victim is inadvertently misogynistic.
I talked about this rave of women hitting men on video on the internet, this is creating a culture than makes it okay for women to hit men, but bad when those men retaliate.
should he have used the full force of that slap No! but i did see him try to walk away, I did see him pull back his initial intention to hit after being struck first, and i can also understand that in the heat of the moment with angers flared its not a shoeing of true character its a showing of being angry at the moment.
just cause you do something out of emotions whether it be love, anger etc... is not your true character as these emotions forces human beings to do uncharacteristic things; thats like saying a man who kills another man after finding out that man had sex with his wife, was a murder all along and just needed the medium to do it. thats asinine.
Cook is being looked at by Philly, DC and GB - Giants just called once and never again. Green Bay apparently really interested.
Three shoulder surgeries are a big cause for concern by teams.
Said Cook is not a bad guy, but needs to get away from is old crowd.
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