nothing is worse than having to fly coach and watch tourists and families show total disregard for your comfort or rules. strollers are a nightmare a double stroller is outrageous. moving other people's stuff from the overhead to squeeze your shit in that doesn't fit always causes trouble. kicking the seats, putting your feet up and pushing on the seat in front of you. reading a newspaper and opening it up in your face, bogarting the arm space. being 300 lbs and thinking you are entitled to half my seat. having your kids out of control. there's plenty more. I have even seen disputes in 1st class. wife throws a fit because she isn't seated next to her husband ( I think he booked it like that) coach passengers walking into 1st class to use the restroom. people throwing their luggage in the overhead that's not above their seat then walking to the back of the plane.
for work and apart from a few delays here and there I don't have any of the horrible flying experiences everyone seems to have. I think people like to complain...
for work and apart from a few delays here and there I don't have any of the horrible flying experiences everyone seems to have. I think people like to complain...
It's a very vulnerable time for the airline industry coming off the heels of the United fiasco. I feel like there are going to be many incidents of jackasses escalating situations.
going after the AA flight attendant. If I saw someone do what he apparently did to a mom and her kid, I'd have said the same thing. Fuck that fligtht attendant.
Even if she was rolling the stroller down the aisle and ignoring
It is very clear the rules of an airline. No double strollers, my wife and I haeb4 kids and we had the double wide strollers. You take it to the gate and the flight attendant takes the stroller and checks it just like they do withbsingle strollers. If she was from Argentina she did not get on a plane in America from swimming which means she should already know the RULES! I am so tired of people trying to make excuses for people who are not following the rules. Simple, she is completely at fault. It is disgusting how this continues every week. People break the rules and the people who try to enforce them are the ines who get crapped on. They put her in 1st class after her tantrum. What a joke! She should have simply followed the rules.
As for the moron in 1st class sticking his nose in he is luckybhendid notnend up in cuffs.
I fly frequently and it never ceases to amaze me how dipshitted people are. It's got to be a combination of stress, nervousness, and alcohol. In what other situation on this planet does it take 45 minutes for a group of people to put a bag in a bin and sit down. It's like motor and listening skills abandon people the moment their ticket is scanned.
There are like a hundred harder things you have to do before you get on the plane. Parking sucks, the air train sucks, checking bags sucks, security majorly sucks. Listening to the attendant, obeying the rules and sitting your ass down is easy.
Why in the world would you think pushing a stroller down the aisle, almost certainly nailing everyone, when the person who works there is telling you to stop, is in the realm of acceptable?
Is it possible that the attendant was right to want to remove the stroller, but wrong to bring it crashing down in a way that almost hit a baby?
American has suspended him. So, either they believe it is likely that he misbehaved, or they are too chickenshit to support one of their own employees.
ever since the United Incident everyone is going to video every incident in the hopes of catching something big. It is like when a bunch of cop videos came out people were going out and trying to catch cops doing something on their cell phones.
Video catches the end of the altercation, I'd be interested to see the first part. Women traveling with kids and a stroller thinks she can bring the stroller on the plane and just store it in the overhead? My wife and I just flew with our baby for the first time, we researched online what the airline policy was for a stroller, bringing formula through security, etc. It's pretty common that strollers either get checked with your bag or you check it at the gate. Does it suck that she's crying, sure, but she should have been aware of the stroller policy.
for work and apart from a few delays here and there I don't have any of the horrible flying experiences everyone seems to have. I think people like to complain...
Same here. I've also flown numerous times by myself with an infant/toddler and never have issues. Back when my daughter was an infant, the flight attendants would even help me fold up the stroller at the gate and often give us cookies while we waited for the plane to board.
Difference is I was never dumb enough to try and roll a stroller down a plane aisle.
American has suspended him. So, either they believe it is likely that he misbehaved, or they are too chickenshit to support one of their own employees.
Which is it? Whattya think?
He may have acted badly, but it's just as likely that AA was simply trying to avoid a PR disaster.
It is like when a bunch of cop videos came out people were going out and trying to catch cops doing something on their cell phones.
So, widespread and ongoing abuse of power coupled with relatively new camera technology had nothing to do with the spate of videos showing police brutality toward minorities? I guess those troublemakers insisting on equal protection should just quiet down, huh?
Aside from that... I could not picture myself acting like the doctor from the United flight or this lady. But, since when is it okay that the response to anyone who doesn't "follow the rules" is disproportionate violence?
I can look critically at the behavior of the passengers while still thinking the airlines handled things extremely poorly.
pushing on the seat in front of you. coach passengers walking into 1st class to use the restroom.
What's wrong with using the bathroom, up front? One bathroom, is rarely used the one at the back of the plane has lines. No brainer - and this from someone who gets upgraded a fair bit
On your first point you know what about douchebags who recline their seats into you as the plane is taking off? Can't even wait until the plane is at 30000 feet and leveled off. It's also the airlines that created the issue by jamming these seats so close together - when the guy in front of me reclines I can't even work on my laptop
I generally thought people are told to gate check the strollers. I remember doing that myself on a number of ocassions. Isn't gate checking still the norm? I have not seen people bring strollers into the cabin and a double stroller is ridiculous in plane's cabin. That video clip tells me jack shit on what happened.
I generally thought people are told to gate check the strollers. I remember doing that myself on a number of ocassions. Isn't gate checking still the norm? I have not seen people bring strollers into the cabin and a double stroller is ridiculous in plane's cabin. That video clip tells me jack shit on what happened.
I usually see them bring the strollers right up to the end of the jetway, unload their kids and then the items get tagged and taken away
And then they bring them to you on the jet bridge when you land. So I really don't get how this was an issue. I guess the passenger didn't want to be bothered to carry her children from jetbridge to seats (which may have required two trips or some assistance)
Every one of the hundreds of flights I've been on, moms and dads with young kids and strollers are prioritized and accomodated. Everyone knows traveling with children is tough, and takes some extra help.
I've literally never seen a stroller pushed down an aisle. Zero times. It's unsafe for the baby and unsafe for the passengers.
Something is up here, and it's just not a mean flight attendant. The mother either ignored the crew on the way in, didn't understand, didn't care etc. But come on, when someone stops you just stop.
past the two attendants at the cabin door? There are always two attendants "greeting" passengers at the door and there is always at least one baggage handler on the jetway.
they don't follow rules don't care about the rules and in any service industry job the corporation will NEVER back you - ever. Everyone looks foe a get rich quick lawsuit these days and social media has made things exponentially worse.
disagree on using 1st class bathrooms. would you want to sit in First class and have a line of coach passengers in your aisle? The first class cabin is off limits to coach, it's a separate entity. you get what you pay for. the coach cabin has 4 bathrooms that's the deal. when i fly coach i would be embarrassed to go into 1st class to use their bathroom.
pushing on the seat in front of you. coach passengers walking into 1st class to use the restroom.
What's wrong with using the bathroom, up front? One bathroom, is rarely used the one at the back of the plane has lines. No brainer - and this from someone who gets upgraded a fair bit
On your first point you know what about douchebags who recline their seats into you as the plane is taking off? Can't even wait until the plane is at 30000 feet and leveled off. It's also the airlines that created the issue by jamming these seats so close together - when the guy in front of me reclines I can't even work on my laptop
I sit in First Class all the time, and have no problem allowing coach
I agree its kind of silly to have 5 people standing in the aisle up there waiting (wait in your seat), but the idea that anybody on the plane cannot go to any bathroom is just plain discrimination...
no one is discriminated. the way things are going coach passengers will want 1st class meals ( which have gone down hill) because they feel discriminated
coach passengers that go to the 1st class bathroom are arrogant
past the two attendants at the cabin door? There are always two attendants "greeting" passengers at the door and there is always at least one baggage handler on the jetway.
Whoever was at the cabin door was at fault.
Exactly right....Flown many times with my daughter when she was a baby. Each time the attandant at the check-in counter provides a tag for the stroller. You stroll your child down the boarding tunnel up to the aircraft door. Leave the stroller at the door then board the plane and take your seat. When you land your stroller is waiting for you just outside the aircraft door.
Why that stroller was even allowed thru the door was the screw up.
That said, how the whole situation escalated to what I saw and heard on the video is just crazy.
It is like when a bunch of cop videos came out people were going out and trying to catch cops doing something on their cell phones.
So, widespread and ongoing abuse of power coupled with relatively new camera technology had nothing to do with the spate of videos showing police brutality toward minorities? I guess those troublemakers insisting on equal protection should just quiet down, huh?
Aside from that... I could not picture myself acting like the doctor from the United flight or this lady. But, since when is it okay that the response to anyone who doesn't "follow the rules" is disproportionate violence?
I can look critically at the behavior of the passengers while still thinking the airlines handled things extremely poorly.
I knew I would get that type of response...Not what I'm saying. Every time a video like this goes viral and comes up, it motivates and gets everyone to start doing it and sometimes they end up provoking incidents by doing it. I suspect we'll see lots of these now and may won't be anywhere near as bad as the United Incident, but because of that incident they will all group together.
and the rest room is open fine but when you see some of these people plow through like they own the place it comes off as arrogant, especially when ignoring a stewardess request
absolutely have to? No one looks forward to that with glee. If someone ventures to the front of a plane to go to the bathroom I'm guessing that they really have to go. Taking offense at that seems shallow.
That said, sorry to get into a pissing contest with you.
You buy a ticket you surrender your autonomy, follow the rules, shut up, and quit ruining things for the rest of us.
You buy a ticket you surrender your autonomy, follow the rules, shut up, and quit ruining things for the rest of us.
No, that's nonsense. Have a fucking backbone.
What should he have been arrested for? The flight attendant is the who turned that from words to waving hands. But what is the crime?
what happened in between? from what I read in a different article the attendant grabbed the stroller and it hit the woman?
no need for the white knight to step in and offer his 2 cents, only contributed more to the attendant's frustration
But, looks like a lot bad decisions all around.
Achtung! Follow zee rules, no matter vhat!
It's a very vulnerable time for the airline industry coming off the heels of the United fiasco. I feel like there are going to be many incidents of jackasses escalating situations.
As for the moron in 1st class sticking his nose in he is luckybhendid notnend up in cuffs.
There are like a hundred harder things you have to do before you get on the plane. Parking sucks, the air train sucks, checking bags sucks, security majorly sucks. Listening to the attendant, obeying the rules and sitting your ass down is easy.
Why in the world would you think pushing a stroller down the aisle, almost certainly nailing everyone, when the person who works there is telling you to stop, is in the realm of acceptable?
American has suspended him. So, either they believe it is likely that he misbehaved, or they are too chickenshit to support one of their own employees.
Which is it? Whattya think?
Isle not wide enough. Gate check and stop screwing around.
Same here. I've also flown numerous times by myself with an infant/toddler and never have issues. Back when my daughter was an infant, the flight attendants would even help me fold up the stroller at the gate and often give us cookies while we waited for the plane to board.
Difference is I was never dumb enough to try and roll a stroller down a plane aisle.
American has suspended him. So, either they believe it is likely that he misbehaved, or they are too chickenshit to support one of their own employees.
Which is it? Whattya think?
He may have acted badly, but it's just as likely that AA was simply trying to avoid a PR disaster.
So, widespread and ongoing abuse of power coupled with relatively new camera technology had nothing to do with the spate of videos showing police brutality toward minorities? I guess those troublemakers insisting on equal protection should just quiet down, huh?
Aside from that... I could not picture myself acting like the doctor from the United flight or this lady. But, since when is it okay that the response to anyone who doesn't "follow the rules" is disproportionate violence?
I can look critically at the behavior of the passengers while still thinking the airlines handled things extremely poorly.
What's wrong with using the bathroom, up front? One bathroom, is rarely used the one at the back of the plane has lines. No brainer - and this from someone who gets upgraded a fair bit
On your first point you know what about douchebags who recline their seats into you as the plane is taking off? Can't even wait until the plane is at 30000 feet and leveled off. It's also the airlines that created the issue by jamming these seats so close together - when the guy in front of me reclines I can't even work on my laptop
In general people are self absorbed assholes.
I generally thought people are told to gate check the strollers. I remember doing that myself on a number of ocassions. Isn't gate checking still the norm? I have not seen people bring strollers into the cabin and a double stroller is ridiculous in plane's cabin. That video clip tells me jack shit on what happened.
I generally thought people are told to gate check the strollers. I remember doing that myself on a number of ocassions. Isn't gate checking still the norm? I have not seen people bring strollers into the cabin and a double stroller is ridiculous in plane's cabin. That video clip tells me jack shit on what happened.
I usually see them bring the strollers right up to the end of the jetway, unload their kids and then the items get tagged and taken away
I've literally never seen a stroller pushed down an aisle. Zero times. It's unsafe for the baby and unsafe for the passengers.
Something is up here, and it's just not a mean flight attendant. The mother either ignored the crew on the way in, didn't understand, didn't care etc. But come on, when someone stops you just stop.
Whoever was at the cabin door was at fault.
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disagree on using 1st class bathrooms. would you want to sit in First class and have a line of coach passengers in your aisle? The first class cabin is off limits to coach, it's a separate entity. you get what you pay for. the coach cabin has 4 bathrooms that's the deal. when i fly coach i would be embarrassed to go into 1st class to use their bathroom.
pushing on the seat in front of you. coach passengers walking into 1st class to use the restroom.
What's wrong with using the bathroom, up front? One bathroom, is rarely used the one at the back of the plane has lines. No brainer - and this from someone who gets upgraded a fair bit
On your first point you know what about douchebags who recline their seats into you as the plane is taking off? Can't even wait until the plane is at 30000 feet and leveled off. It's also the airlines that created the issue by jamming these seats so close together - when the guy in front of me reclines I can't even work on my laptop
I agree its kind of silly to have 5 people standing in the aisle up there waiting (wait in your seat), but the idea that anybody on the plane cannot go to any bathroom is just plain discrimination...
Whoever was at the cabin door was at fault.
Exactly right....Flown many times with my daughter when she was a baby. Each time the attandant at the check-in counter provides a tag for the stroller. You stroll your child down the boarding tunnel up to the aircraft door. Leave the stroller at the door then board the plane and take your seat. When you land your stroller is waiting for you just outside the aircraft door.
Why that stroller was even allowed thru the door was the screw up.
That said, how the whole situation escalated to what I saw and heard on the video is just crazy.
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It is like when a bunch of cop videos came out people were going out and trying to catch cops doing something on their cell phones.
So, widespread and ongoing abuse of power coupled with relatively new camera technology had nothing to do with the spate of videos showing police brutality toward minorities? I guess those troublemakers insisting on equal protection should just quiet down, huh?
Aside from that... I could not picture myself acting like the doctor from the United flight or this lady. But, since when is it okay that the response to anyone who doesn't "follow the rules" is disproportionate violence?
I can look critically at the behavior of the passengers while still thinking the airlines handled things extremely poorly.
I knew I would get that type of response...Not what I'm saying. Every time a video like this goes viral and comes up, it motivates and gets everyone to start doing it and sometimes they end up provoking incidents by doing it. I suspect we'll see lots of these now and may won't be anywhere near as bad as the United Incident, but because of that incident they will all group together.
Basically part of my point above.
gtt, ever hear of the psychological term "projection"? I think your use of "arrogant" may be an example.
Another indication of projection on your part...I think we're all clear on your character by now.
That said, sorry to get into a pissing contest with you.