I know you have to have a permit to buy a handgun in New York. Living on Long Island with this MS-13 threat where two kids from my son's high school were killed by them, I think I need to take precautions to protect my family. A rifle may be the way to go. I don't know if a handgun is better or if a rifle will do the trick. Any suggestions?
A handgun you would need a permit I believe.
But, most importantly, safety is number one. Have a safe, lock, etc. Know how to properly care for it.
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But, most importantly, safety is number one. Have a safe, lock, etc. Know how to properly care for it. Link - ( New Window )
I agree with the article, you're best off with a shotgun...just check the local authorities for the latest SAFE act regulations, as well as what you can and can't do when transporting it and the ammunition.
PLEASE TAKE A GUN SAFETY COURSE before hand!!!!
Learn how to handle the thing, and how to be safe with it at home (including lock cabinets and trigger locks so your kids don't injure or kill themselves!!!). There are shooting ranges that will help you learn proper mechanics and offer courses that are very helpful.
The reason I suggest a shotgun is that you don't need to be accurate (as you do with a handgun/rifle), and the odds of killing someone else (and living with that) are lower.
Sensationalism sells papers and advertising. Satellites falling from the sky can kill, but I'm not carrying a metal umbrella. Safe is a relative not an absolute term, and, relatively we are extremely safe and immune from things that guns cause.
That type of mentality throughout the years is what made it so difficult for hard working people like you to get a gun and protect yourself and your family. The only thing they're good for is a Bing search.
Spend the time and get a pistol permit, I know in NYC is tough (Queens). Not sure about the rest of the Island, a simple search should help you. Get a 9MM for home protection (something like a Sig Sauer or HK are the best guns).
You don't want anything larger than a 9MM, something like a .45 will shoot holes through walls and kill someone on the otherside. Not that a 9MM isn't capable of doing that, however, much less possible.
Any kind of Rifle other than a .22 is going to be way to powerful, furthermore, you don't want to be confronting someone at close quarters with a rifle (or shot gun). Way to big and bulky walking down halls and around corners, also, easier for someone to grab from you. If you get a shotgun, Birdshot isn't good for self defense, you need double ott buck or buckshot..You don't wanna be shooting that in a home.
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Take this advice. I've been a gun owner since I was seven. You need the training if you aren't familiar, and the more your kids understand them the more they will respect them and not do anything stupid. Follow all the precautions when you own a gun.
DOG #1 on my list: This seems like the best defense for the home, but what about the car?
Security System, again doesn't help in the car.
Taser?
Baseball Bat?
Paintball or pellet gun?
Pepper Spray?
How do you protect yourself without a gun, when you don't want to ever kill anyone, even in self defense. Just want to get away or stop them etc.
That type of mentality throughout the years is what made it so difficult for hard working people like you to get a gun and protect yourself and your family. The only thing they're good for is a Bing search.
Spend the time and get a pistol permit, I know in NYC is tough (Queens). Not sure about the rest of the Island, a simple search should help you. Get a 9MM for home protection (something like a Sig Sauer or HK are the best guns).
You don't want anything larger than a 9MM, something like a .45 will shoot holes through walls and kill someone on the otherside. Not that a 9MM isn't capable of doing that, however, much less possible.
Any kind of Rifle other than a .22 is going to be way to powerful, furthermore, you don't want to be confronting someone at close quarters with a rifle (or shot gun). Way to big and bulky walking down halls and around corners, also, easier for someone to grab from you. If you get a shotgun, Birdshot isn't good for self defense, you need double ott buck or buckshot..You don't wanna be shooting that in a home.
Thanks
I'm sure this will stick around on BBI 2.0...
What the fuck are you babbling about?
You're quickly becoming one of the worst posters around.
Sawed off shotgun?
Almost picked one up for the same reason as there has been gang violence in Huntington Station that is seeping into my town. A guy this past summer was found with his hands and feet cut off in a park. There are several good sources of info. http://www.longislandfirearms.com/forum/
Also go to Dark Storm Industries. https://www.dark-storm.com
A pistol is another story. Currently in Suffolk it is about a 13.5 month wait for a permit. The procedure is total BS. You need 4 unrelated, non-police Suffolk residents to fill out 18 question questionnaire and have it notarized. You then fill out app and send to Suffolk. Then wait at least 6 months for SCPD or Sherriff depending where you live to contact you and setup in person interview. You will be fingerprinted. I believe 2 of the references have to fill out some more paperwork and have notarized. The detective will question your wife if married. Then wait another 6-9 months to get permit. I am currently in month 5 of the process waiting for the call.
Just to show you the difference between states. I took NRA basic pistol course in NJ. Got a certificate. Got fingerprinted by SCPD. Filled out app and got certified check. Mailed to Virginia for non-resident CCW license at same time as my NYS Pistol permit. I got it in the mail today meaning if I go to one of 30 states I can carry a pistol except my home state of NY.
If a 9MM is on your radar you should just go for the .40 Cal. 9MM isn't the best for putting down the target. .40 Cal is a little bigger but more likely to put the assailant down.
In MA, I filled out an application to adopt a rescue dog from a local shelter and filled out my concealed carry permit the same day (unrelated and different places obviously).
For the dog adoption they needed 3 references (all were called within 30 minutes of me leaving the shelter).
They had to do a site visit at my house to make sure it was dog appropriate.
they had to interview my family members and meet them (with the dog) and see their interaction
we had to get a fence
I had to pay $450 and sign paperwork that and arrange to have the dog spayed.
and then finally I could take the dog home, that they were desperate to have adopted.
And I had to agree to a probationary period (2 weeks) after which they'd visit again and make sure the dog was well cared for and acclimated before making the adoption "final".
For the concealed carry permit I paid $100 and included my safety course certificate that I got at a local gun club and had my application approved within 5 days. They did do a background check, but they never checked any references though they required 3 (I used the same 3 as for my dog).
I wasn't going to complain, but it seemed like it shouldn't be harder to adopt a dog from a shelter than to get a concealed carry permit. I'd almost prefer the state just assume a constitutional carry policy than this charade.
though to be fair it is a local issue in MA, and up to each town's police chief. Some towns are notoriously tough, mine is not, basically if you pass the background check you get approved.
I agree about taking a gun safety course; always a very good idea.
Also, get a good gun lock (or gun safe if you're getting a few).
I have numerous firearms I inherited from my Dad. All are in a gun safe except one pistol. It always has a keyed trigger lock on it and the ammo stored separately. I'll accept a little delay in the odd chance I'll need to get the gun very quickly to have the piece of mind my kids (when they were young) couldn't accidentally get their hands on an unlocked, loaded gun.
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You can go to a sporting goods store or any gun store and buy one. They will do a quick background check but that is all. I bought a rifle for my father when I was younger and I went to Chester's in Lake Ronkonkoma and got a benelli supernova.
But, most importantly, safety is number one. Have a safe, lock, etc. Know how to properly care for it. Link - ( New Window )
I'm from Lake Ronkonkoma but haven't been back in decades...
Milton, we've had discussion about Sachem before.
most are not going to stop a thief. Google it, tons of youtube videos showing people opening locked gun cases or safes in seconds.
especially the corded locks like I have.
I'm sure this will stick around on BBI 2.0...
Milton, we've had discussion about Sachem before.
I don't know man. Were their recent victims even near their parents in the first place? Are MS-13 members the sort who have generally never attacked or killed anyone and will therefore be on equal footing with you? Are they the sort who won't be murderously vindictive towards anyone who challenges them? Any evidence of an MS-13 attack against a random family that's been thwarted by a gun?
DOG #1 on my list: This seems like the best defense for the home, but what about the car?
Security System, again doesn't help in the car.
Taser?
Baseball Bat?
Paintball or pellet gun?
Pepper Spray?
How do you protect yourself without a gun, when you don't want to ever kill anyone, even in self defense. Just want to get away or stop them etc.
I once had the dog in my car and two shady characters were walking toward my window, saw the dog and I heard the one say to the other, "there's a dog in the car" and they immediately changed directions. I really don't know if they had bad intentions or not, but I found it odd.
Groot is so friendly that if someone did break into my house, he would be more of a hindrance trying to protect him than him helping out, but the presence is usually the important part.
Now, my roommate is vicious so it's not a good idea to come here uninvited.
I don't know man. Were their recent victims even near their parents in the first place? Are MS-13 members the sort who have generally never attacked or killed anyone and will therefore be on equal footing with you? Are they the sort who won't be murderously vindictive towards anyone who challenges them? Any evidence of an MS-13 attack against a random family that's been thwarted by a gun?
I know it happened around here a few times back when home invasions were more prevalent (during the height of the joe arpaio controversy). best example was the elder lady who shot an intruder coming through her bedroom window. He was found slumped half in, half out of the window with a bullet in his face.
That's about the worst advice you could give someone. No wonder this country is filled with so many wack jobs.
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Milton, we've had discussion about Sachem before.
I remember Victor in CT and pganut(?), but not you. Did you go to Sachem (or was it Bay Shore because I see that's your hometown in the profile)?
I coached there for awhile.
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I don't know man. Were their recent victims even near their parents in the first place? Are MS-13 members the sort who have generally never attacked or killed anyone and will therefore be on equal footing with you? Are they the sort who won't be murderously vindictive towards anyone who challenges them? Any evidence of an MS-13 attack against a random family that's been thwarted by a gun?
I know it happened around here a few times back when home invasions were more prevalent (during the height of the joe arpaio controversy). best example was the elder lady who shot an intruder coming through her bedroom window. He was found slumped half in, half out of the window with a bullet in his face.
But likely not a hardened member of a gang like MS-13, I imagine. If it were, i imagine she would have had a follow up visit by his colleagues.
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I don't know man. Were their recent victims even near their parents in the first place? Are MS-13 members the sort who have generally never attacked or killed anyone and will therefore be on equal footing with you? Are they the sort who won't be murderously vindictive towards anyone who challenges them? Any evidence of an MS-13 attack against a random family that's been thwarted by a gun?
I know it happened around here a few times back when home invasions were more prevalent (during the height of the joe arpaio controversy). best example was the elder lady who shot an intruder coming through her bedroom window. He was found slumped half in, half out of the window with a bullet in his face.
But likely not a hardened member of a gang like MS-13, I imagine. If it were, i imagine she would have had a follow up visit by his colleagues.
probably not, but most gang members are scared little teenagers that need a large group to feel tough and validated and pick on helpless victims, much like most criminals.
That type of mentality throughout the years is what made it so difficult for hard working people like you to get a gun and protect yourself and your family. The only thing they're good for is a Bing search.
Spend the time and get a pistol permit, I know in NYC is tough (Queens). Not sure about the rest of the Island, a simple search should help you. Get a 9MM for home protection (something like a Sig Sauer or HK are the best guns).
You don't want anything larger than a 9MM, something like a .45 will shoot holes through walls and kill someone on the otherside. Not that a 9MM isn't capable of doing that, however, much less possible.
Any kind of Rifle other than a .22 is going to be way to powerful, furthermore, you don't want to be confronting someone at close quarters with a rifle (or shot gun). Way to big and bulky walking down halls and around corners, also, easier for someone to grab from you. If you get a shotgun, Birdshot isn't good for self defense, you need double ott buck or buckshot..You don't wanna be shooting that in a home.
Thanks
This, in particular the first two sentences in paragraph before "Thanks".
That type of mentality throughout the years is what made it so difficult for hard working people like you to get a gun and protect yourself and your family. The only thing they're good for is a Bing search.
Holy fuck what a stupid comment. Congrats.
2. Install key locks on all windows, so even if someone breaks the glass they can't get in.
3. Make the house secure in every way and think about getting dogs. Two young dogs will make you a lot more secure than a gun because their superior hearing and night vision will allow them to detect a break in way before you do. If I'm going to fight intruders inside my house, I would much rather have two pitbulls backing me than a rifle. Just make sure the dogs are highly trained
4. Make sure everyone in the house has a cell phone. If somebody is breaking in, you want to call the police, not take them on with a rifle.
5. Getting a rifle is OK short term but like the poster above said, you can't be shooting a rifle or shotgun in your house. That's how you wind up shooting a family member on the other side of a wall. Start the process of getting a handgun permit.
6. Get military grade tactical flashlights that shine at above 1000 lumens. If your house is dark and you shine that in an intruders eyes they will be temporarily blinded.
7. Buy a couple of steel wrecking bars at home depot and place them at strategic locations around the house. Much more effective weapon than a rifle in close quarters.
8. Install solid wood bedroom doors with sturdy locks. So family members can retreat to a secure room and get off a call to the police.
Any home can be made very secure. Going about will also allay the worries you have about keeping your family safe. It will also get the whole family to take responsibility for security. That is a much better model than you taking on the role of protector.
Most home invasions occur because people leave doors unlocked or windows unsecured. Leaving a house open for even 30 seconds is enough time for people who are watching the house to get in. Getting the whole family to develop security habits is FAR MORE EFFECTIVE than any weapon.
I know you are probably already do a lot of these things but reading up on home security and following expert advice is the way to go. Ultimately, the brain is more powerful than the trigger finger.
2. Install key locks on all windows, so even if someone breaks the glass they can't get in.
3. Make the house secure in every way and think about getting dogs. Two young dogs will make you a lot more secure than a gun because their superior hearing and night vision will allow them to detect a break in way before you do. If I'm going to fight intruders inside my house, I would much rather have two pitbulls backing me than a rifle. Just make sure the dogs are highly trained
4. Make sure everyone in the house has a cell phone. If somebody is breaking in, you want to call the police, not take them on with a rifle.
5. Getting a rifle is OK short term but like the poster above said, you can't be shooting a rifle or shotgun in your house. That's how you wind up shooting a family member on the other side of a wall. Start the process of getting a handgun permit.
6. Get military grade tactical flashlights that shine at above 1000 lumens. If your house is dark and you shine that in an intruders eyes they will be temporarily blinded.
7. Buy a couple of steel wrecking bars at home depot and place them at strategic locations around the house. Much more effective weapon than a rifle in close quarters.
8. Install solid wood bedroom doors with sturdy locks. So family members can retreat to a secure room and get off a call to the police.
Any home can be made very secure. Going about will also allay the worries you have about keeping your family safe. It will also get the whole family to take responsibility for security. That is a much better model than you taking on the role of protector.
Most home invasions occur because people leave doors unlocked or windows unsecured. Leaving a house open for even 30 seconds is enough time for people who are watching the house to get in. Getting the whole family to develop security habits is FAR MORE EFFECTIVE than any weapon.
I know you are probably already do a lot of these things but reading up on home security and following expert advice is the way to go. Ultimately, the brain is more powerful than the trigger finger.
or just get a doug.
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In all honestly, please don't listen to these nuds comments, chances are the majority of them voted democratic throughout their lives and are Barrack and Hillary type supporters.
That type of mentality throughout the years is what made it so difficult for hard working people like you to get a gun and protect yourself and your family. The only thing they're good for is a Bing search.
Spend the time and get a pistol permit, I know in NYC is tough (Queens). Not sure about the rest of the Island, a simple search should help you. Get a 9MM for home protection (something like a Sig Sauer or HK are the best guns).
You don't want anything larger than a 9MM, something like a .45 will shoot holes through walls and kill someone on the otherside. Not that a 9MM isn't capable of doing that, however, much less possible.
Any kind of Rifle other than a .22 is going to be way to powerful, furthermore, you don't want to be confronting someone at close quarters with a rifle (or shot gun). Way to big and bulky walking down halls and around corners, also, easier for someone to grab from you. If you get a shotgun, Birdshot isn't good for self defense, you need double ott buck or buckshot..You don't wanna be shooting that in a home.
Thanks
I'm sure this will stick around on BBI 2.0...
I love liverwurst is part of the problem, not the solution. Not only is he/she paranoid, he/she doesn't really know jack except, apparently, from watching Expendables movies and cheesy cop shows.
.357 Magnum with hollow points, with a 9mm backup... Also the very best noise for an intruder in the house is the ratcheting of a shotgun or AK47, usually after that sound no one stays in the home for any period of time, they will dive out windows, even closed ones... Take the fam to the range and teach them the safety and responsibility of having firearms.
Same as NY, no problem with shotguns or rifles, but a permit is required for hand guns
That type of mentality throughout the years is what made it so difficult for hard working people like you to get a gun and protect yourself and your family. The only thing they're good for is a Bing search.
Yeah, it's really become SO hard to get a gun. Give me a fucking break.