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NFT: Can I purchase a rifle without getting a permit or license?

Tom [Giants fan] : 4/22/2017 7:34 pm
I know you have to have a permit to buy a handgun in New York. Living on Long Island with this MS-13 threat where two kids from my son's high school were killed by them, I think I need to take precautions to protect my family. A rifle may be the way to go. I don't know if a handgun is better or if a rifle will do the trick. Any suggestions?
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Sawed off shotgun  
DennyInDenville : 4/22/2017 7:36 pm : link
If it's legal in your state or an ar15 rifle or Glock 9
This has been happening longer than people know.  
robbieballs2003 : 4/22/2017 7:40 pm : link
It is crazy and very scary.
Yes  
pjcas18 : 4/22/2017 7:43 pm : link
in NY I believe you can buy a rifle (as long as it's not classified as an assault rifle (which is another topic)) without a permit.

A handgun you would need a permit I believe.
And, yes, you can buy a shotgun without a permit.  
robbieballs2003 : 4/22/2017 7:47 pm : link
You can go to a sporting goods store or any gun store and buy one. They will do a quick background check but that is all. I bought a rifle for my father when I was younger and I went to Chester's in Lake Ronkonkoma and got a benelli supernova.

But, most importantly, safety is number one. Have a safe, lock, etc. Know how to properly care for it.
Link - ( New Window )
If you do decide to get a firearm you should  
pjcas18 : 4/22/2017 7:47 pm : link
probably take a training class and I'd suggest having your kids take one as well if they're in high school
I realize this is a serious discussion, but....  
Milton : 4/22/2017 7:50 pm : link
Jackie Brown
Taxi Driver
Breaking Bad
RE: And, yes, you can buy a shotgun without a permit.  
Milton : 4/22/2017 7:52 pm : link
In comment 13438630 robbieballs2003 said:
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You can go to a sporting goods store or any gun store and buy one. They will do a quick background check but that is all. I bought a rifle for my father when I was younger and I went to Chester's in Lake Ronkonkoma and got a benelli supernova.

But, most importantly, safety is number one. Have a safe, lock, etc. Know how to properly care for it. Link - ( New Window )
I'm from Lake Ronkonkoma but haven't been back in decades...
Good Reddit article here about that  
JohnF : 4/22/2017 7:56 pm : link
link

I agree with the article, you're best off with a shotgun...just check the local authorities for the latest SAFE act regulations, as well as what you can and can't do when transporting it and the ammunition.

PLEASE TAKE A GUN SAFETY COURSE before hand!!!!

Learn how to handle the thing, and how to be safe with it at home (including lock cabinets and trigger locks so your kids don't injure or kill themselves!!!). There are shooting ranges that will help you learn proper mechanics and offer courses that are very helpful.

The reason I suggest a shotgun is that you don't need to be accurate (as you do with a handgun/rifle), and the odds of killing someone else (and living with that) are lower.
Oh man..... slow down...  
grizz299 : 4/22/2017 8:03 pm : link
A weapon probably does more harm than good.
Sensationalism sells papers and advertising. Satellites falling from the sky can kill, but I'm not carrying a metal umbrella. Safe is a relative not an absolute term, and, relatively we are extremely safe and immune from things that guns cause.
shotgun is the way to go  
gtt350 : 4/22/2017 8:04 pm : link
you won't miss
Yes, but you can't use it in a movie theater...  
Torrag : 4/22/2017 8:20 pm : link
...
Tom  
I love liverwurst : 4/22/2017 8:28 pm : link
In all honestly, please don't listen to these nuds comments, chances are the majority of them voted democratic throughout their lives and are Barrack and Hillary type supporters.

That type of mentality throughout the years is what made it so difficult for hard working people like you to get a gun and protect yourself and your family. The only thing they're good for is a Bing search.

Spend the time and get a pistol permit, I know in NYC is tough (Queens). Not sure about the rest of the Island, a simple search should help you. Get a 9MM for home protection (something like a Sig Sauer or HK are the best guns).

You don't want anything larger than a 9MM, something like a .45 will shoot holes through walls and kill someone on the otherside. Not that a 9MM isn't capable of doing that, however, much less possible.

Any kind of Rifle other than a .22 is going to be way to powerful, furthermore, you don't want to be confronting someone at close quarters with a rifle (or shot gun). Way to big and bulky walking down halls and around corners, also, easier for someone to grab from you. If you get a shotgun, Birdshot isn't good for self defense, you need double ott buck or buckshot..You don't wanna be shooting that in a home.

Thanks
RE: If you do decide to get a firearm you should  
bradshaw44 : 4/22/2017 8:28 pm : link
In comment 13438631 pjcas18 said:
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probably take a training class and I'd suggest having your kids take one as well if they're in high school


Take this advice. I've been a gun owner since I was seven. You need the training if you aren't familiar, and the more your kids understand them the more they will respect them and not do anything stupid. Follow all the precautions when you own a gun.
I'm afraid of having something so final in my house or car  
rasbutant : 4/22/2017 8:38 pm : link
but want to be able to protect at the same time. Just doesn't seem like there are any foolproof options.

DOG #1 on my list: This seems like the best defense for the home, but what about the car?
Security System, again doesn't help in the car.
Taser?
Baseball Bat?
Paintball or pellet gun?
Pepper Spray?

How do you protect yourself without a gun, when you don't want to ever kill anyone, even in self defense. Just want to get away or stop them etc.

RE: Tom  
Chris in Philly : 4/22/2017 8:47 pm : link
In comment 13438663 I love liverwurst said:
Quote:
In all honestly, please don't listen to these nuds comments, chances are the majority of them voted democratic throughout their lives and are Barrack and Hillary type supporters.

That type of mentality throughout the years is what made it so difficult for hard working people like you to get a gun and protect yourself and your family. The only thing they're good for is a Bing search.

Spend the time and get a pistol permit, I know in NYC is tough (Queens). Not sure about the rest of the Island, a simple search should help you. Get a 9MM for home protection (something like a Sig Sauer or HK are the best guns).

You don't want anything larger than a 9MM, something like a .45 will shoot holes through walls and kill someone on the otherside. Not that a 9MM isn't capable of doing that, however, much less possible.

Any kind of Rifle other than a .22 is going to be way to powerful, furthermore, you don't want to be confronting someone at close quarters with a rifle (or shot gun). Way to big and bulky walking down halls and around corners, also, easier for someone to grab from you. If you get a shotgun, Birdshot isn't good for self defense, you need double ott buck or buckshot..You don't wanna be shooting that in a home.

Thanks




I'm sure this will stick around on BBI 2.0...
RE: Sawed off shotgun  
B in ALB : 4/22/2017 8:49 pm : link
In comment 13438621 DennyInDenville said:
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If it's legal in your state or an ar15 rifle or Glock 9


What the fuck are you babbling about?

You're quickly becoming one of the worst posters around.

Sawed off shotgun?
Thanks all.....  
Tom [Giants fan] : 4/22/2017 8:52 pm : link
I think I am going to apply for a permit and go with the 9MM. I will go to a shooting range and learn everything I need to learn. I am a NYS certified Security Guard so maybe this could lead me to a career change as an armed guard too.
You don't need a permit for a rifle or shotgun  
giantsfan227B : 4/22/2017 8:59 pm : link
I do believe you will go through a background check on the spot for a rifle or shotgun. Not sure how long it takes but it is checked with the FBI. I don't own one.
Almost picked one up for the same reason as there has been gang violence in Huntington Station that is seeping into my town. A guy this past summer was found with his hands and feet cut off in a park. There are several good sources of info. http://www.longislandfirearms.com/forum/

Also go to Dark Storm Industries. https://www.dark-storm.com

A pistol is another story. Currently in Suffolk it is about a 13.5 month wait for a permit. The procedure is total BS. You need 4 unrelated, non-police Suffolk residents to fill out 18 question questionnaire and have it notarized. You then fill out app and send to Suffolk. Then wait at least 6 months for SCPD or Sherriff depending where you live to contact you and setup in person interview. You will be fingerprinted. I believe 2 of the references have to fill out some more paperwork and have notarized. The detective will question your wife if married. Then wait another 6-9 months to get permit. I am currently in month 5 of the process waiting for the call.

Just to show you the difference between states. I took NRA basic pistol course in NJ. Got a certificate. Got fingerprinted by SCPD. Filled out app and got certified check. Mailed to Virginia for non-resident CCW license at same time as my NYS Pistol permit. I got it in the mail today meaning if I go to one of 30 states I can carry a pistol except my home state of NY.
RE: Thanks all.....  
bradshaw44 : 4/22/2017 9:07 pm : link
In comment 13438688 Tom [Giants fan] said:
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I think I am going to apply for a permit and go with the 9MM. I will go to a shooting range and learn everything I need to learn. I am a NYS certified Security Guard so maybe this could lead me to a career change as an armed guard too.


If a 9MM is on your radar you should just go for the .40 Cal. 9MM isn't the best for putting down the target. .40 Cal is a little bigger but more likely to put the assailant down.
NY is crazy  
pjcas18 : 4/22/2017 9:13 pm : link
or not depending on your beliefs.

In MA, I filled out an application to adopt a rescue dog from a local shelter and filled out my concealed carry permit the same day (unrelated and different places obviously).

For the dog adoption they needed 3 references (all were called within 30 minutes of me leaving the shelter).

They had to do a site visit at my house to make sure it was dog appropriate.

they had to interview my family members and meet them (with the dog) and see their interaction

we had to get a fence

I had to pay $450 and sign paperwork that and arrange to have the dog spayed.

and then finally I could take the dog home, that they were desperate to have adopted.

And I had to agree to a probationary period (2 weeks) after which they'd visit again and make sure the dog was well cared for and acclimated before making the adoption "final".


For the concealed carry permit I paid $100 and included my safety course certificate that I got at a local gun club and had my application approved within 5 days. They did do a background check, but they never checked any references though they required 3 (I used the same 3 as for my dog).

I wasn't going to complain, but it seemed like it shouldn't be harder to adopt a dog from a shelter than to get a concealed carry permit. I'd almost prefer the state just assume a constitutional carry policy than this charade.

though to be fair it is a local issue in MA, and up to each town's police chief. Some towns are notoriously tough, mine is not, basically if you pass the background check you get approved.
RE: shotgun is the way to go  
Trainmaster : 4/22/2017 9:15 pm : link
given all the hoops you'll be forced to go through to get a handgun.

I agree about taking a gun safety course; always a very good idea.

Also, get a good gun lock (or gun safe if you're getting a few).

I have numerous firearms I inherited from my Dad. All are in a gun safe except one pistol. It always has a keyed trigger lock on it and the ammo stored separately. I'll accept a little delay in the odd chance I'll need to get the gun very quickly to have the piece of mind my kids (when they were young) couldn't accidentally get their hands on an unlocked, loaded gun.

.40 cal is better then a .45  
I love liverwurst : 4/22/2017 9:16 pm : link
That high caliber is just a lot of power for a home. I prefer 9MM hollow points, that will definitely put someone down.. .40 cal is my personal second option for hone defense, nice round though .
RE: RE: And, yes, you can buy a shotgun without a permit.  
robbieballs2003 : 4/22/2017 9:16 pm : link
In comment 13438635 Milton said:
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In comment 13438630 robbieballs2003 said:


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You can go to a sporting goods store or any gun store and buy one. They will do a quick background check but that is all. I bought a rifle for my father when I was younger and I went to Chester's in Lake Ronkonkoma and got a benelli supernova.

But, most importantly, safety is number one. Have a safe, lock, etc. Know how to properly care for it. Link - ( New Window )

I'm from Lake Ronkonkoma but haven't been back in decades...


Milton, we've had discussion about Sachem before.
and the guy who said a sawed off shotgun  
I love liverwurst : 4/22/2017 9:17 pm : link
is a utter moron
Keep in mind  
pjcas18 : 4/22/2017 9:19 pm : link
most gun safes or cases are really to keep kids out.

most are not going to stop a thief. Google it, tons of youtube videos showing people opening locked gun cases or safes in seconds.

especially the corded locks like I have.
RE: RE: Tom  
Milton : 4/22/2017 9:19 pm : link
In comment 13438683 Chris in Philly said:
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I'm sure this will stick around on BBI 2.0...
I don't know, I could be wrong but it seems to me that BBI 2.0 is much quicker on the draw if the attack is coming from the other direction. My apologies to the moderators if I'm mistaken in that impression.
Just go down to Alabama  
EricJ : 4/22/2017 9:22 pm : link
or some other southern state like that. Hit a few yard sales on the weekend and buy whatever guns you want. Drive them back to NY
RE: RE: RE: And, yes, you can buy a shotgun without a permit.  
Milton : 4/22/2017 9:22 pm : link
In comment 13438718 robbieballs2003 said:
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Milton, we've had discussion about Sachem before.
I remember Victor in CT and pganut(?), but not you. Did you go to Sachem (or was it Bay Shore because I see that's your hometown in the profile)?
This is intended to protect your family  
santacruzom : 4/22/2017 9:45 pm : link
From ms-13?

I don't know man. Were their recent victims even near their parents in the first place? Are MS-13 members the sort who have generally never attacked or killed anyone and will therefore be on equal footing with you? Are they the sort who won't be murderously vindictive towards anyone who challenges them? Any evidence of an MS-13 attack against a random family that's been thwarted by a gun?
RE: I'm afraid of having something so final in my house or car  
madgiantscow009 : 4/22/2017 10:00 pm : link
In comment 13438674 rasbutant said:
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but want to be able to protect at the same time. Just doesn't seem like there are any foolproof options.

DOG #1 on my list: This seems like the best defense for the home, but what about the car?
Security System, again doesn't help in the car.
Taser?
Baseball Bat?
Paintball or pellet gun?
Pepper Spray?

How do you protect yourself without a gun, when you don't want to ever kill anyone, even in self defense. Just want to get away or stop them etc.


I once had the dog in my car and two shady characters were walking toward my window, saw the dog and I heard the one say to the other, "there's a dog in the car" and they immediately changed directions. I really don't know if they had bad intentions or not, but I found it odd.

Groot is so friendly that if someone did break into my house, he would be more of a hindrance trying to protect him than him helping out, but the presence is usually the important part.

Now, my roommate is vicious so it's not a good idea to come here uninvited.
I like my Mossberg 500  
fivehead : 4/22/2017 10:02 pm : link
I put a ten round drum on it for extra-goodness, along with some other tweaks. :)

RE: This is intended to protect your family  
madgiantscow009 : 4/22/2017 10:04 pm : link
In comment 13438754 santacruzom said:
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From ms-13?

I don't know man. Were their recent victims even near their parents in the first place? Are MS-13 members the sort who have generally never attacked or killed anyone and will therefore be on equal footing with you? Are they the sort who won't be murderously vindictive towards anyone who challenges them? Any evidence of an MS-13 attack against a random family that's been thwarted by a gun?


I know it happened around here a few times back when home invasions were more prevalent (during the height of the joe arpaio controversy). best example was the elder lady who shot an intruder coming through her bedroom window. He was found slumped half in, half out of the window with a bullet in his face.
What about New Jersey?  
ChathamMark : 4/22/2017 10:06 pm : link
Just looking for a shotgun. Any hoops to go through as far as permits/references/interviews, etc.?
RE: Just go down to Alabama  
B in ALB : 4/22/2017 10:06 pm : link
In comment 13438732 EricJ said:
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or some other southern state like that. Hit a few yard sales on the weekend and buy whatever guns you want. Drive them back to NY


That's about the worst advice you could give someone. No wonder this country is filled with so many wack jobs.
The idea...  
Chris in Philly : 4/22/2017 10:13 pm : link
of a bunch of BBiers with weaponry scares me more than gangs...
RE: RE: RE: RE: And, yes, you can buy a shotgun without a permit.  
robbieballs2003 : 4/22/2017 10:14 pm : link
In comment 13438733 Milton said:
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In comment 13438718 robbieballs2003 said:


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Milton, we've had discussion about Sachem before.

I remember Victor in CT and pganut(?), but not you. Did you go to Sachem (or was it Bay Shore because I see that's your hometown in the profile)?


I coached there for awhile.
RE: RE: This is intended to protect your family  
santacruzom : 4/22/2017 10:14 pm : link
In comment 13438779 madgiantscow009 said:
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In comment 13438754 santacruzom said:


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From ms-13?

I don't know man. Were their recent victims even near their parents in the first place? Are MS-13 members the sort who have generally never attacked or killed anyone and will therefore be on equal footing with you? Are they the sort who won't be murderously vindictive towards anyone who challenges them? Any evidence of an MS-13 attack against a random family that's been thwarted by a gun?



I know it happened around here a few times back when home invasions were more prevalent (during the height of the joe arpaio controversy). best example was the elder lady who shot an intruder coming through her bedroom window. He was found slumped half in, half out of the window with a bullet in his face.


But likely not a hardened member of a gang like MS-13, I imagine. If it were, i imagine she would have had a follow up visit by his colleagues.
RE: RE: RE: This is intended to protect your family  
madgiantscow009 : 4/22/2017 10:25 pm : link
In comment 13438792 santacruzom said:
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In comment 13438779 madgiantscow009 said:


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In comment 13438754 santacruzom said:


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From ms-13?

I don't know man. Were their recent victims even near their parents in the first place? Are MS-13 members the sort who have generally never attacked or killed anyone and will therefore be on equal footing with you? Are they the sort who won't be murderously vindictive towards anyone who challenges them? Any evidence of an MS-13 attack against a random family that's been thwarted by a gun?



I know it happened around here a few times back when home invasions were more prevalent (during the height of the joe arpaio controversy). best example was the elder lady who shot an intruder coming through her bedroom window. He was found slumped half in, half out of the window with a bullet in his face.



But likely not a hardened member of a gang like MS-13, I imagine. If it were, i imagine she would have had a follow up visit by his colleagues.


probably not, but most gang members are scared little teenagers that need a large group to feel tough and validated and pick on helpless victims, much like most criminals.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: And, yes, you can buy a shotgun without a permit.  
Milton : 4/22/2017 11:23 pm : link
In comment 13438791 robbieballs2003 said:
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I coached there for awhile.
I apologize for my poor memory (my memory is so weird there are teams when people can't believe the smallest detail I remembered and other times people can't believe that I don't remember a trip we took together). What did you coach and when?
RE: Tom  
SomeFan : 4/22/2017 11:36 pm : link
In comment 13438663 I love liverwurst said:
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In all honestly, please don't listen to these nuds comments, chances are the majority of them voted democratic throughout their lives and are Barrack and Hillary type supporters.

That type of mentality throughout the years is what made it so difficult for hard working people like you to get a gun and protect yourself and your family. The only thing they're good for is a Bing search.

Spend the time and get a pistol permit, I know in NYC is tough (Queens). Not sure about the rest of the Island, a simple search should help you. Get a 9MM for home protection (something like a Sig Sauer or HK are the best guns).

You don't want anything larger than a 9MM, something like a .45 will shoot holes through walls and kill someone on the otherside. Not that a 9MM isn't capable of doing that, however, much less possible.

Any kind of Rifle other than a .22 is going to be way to powerful, furthermore, you don't want to be confronting someone at close quarters with a rifle (or shot gun). Way to big and bulky walking down halls and around corners, also, easier for someone to grab from you. If you get a shotgun, Birdshot isn't good for self defense, you need double ott buck or buckshot..You don't wanna be shooting that in a home.

Thanks


This, in particular the first two sentences in paragraph before "Thanks".
RE: Tom  
Johnny5 : 4/22/2017 11:57 pm : link
In comment 13438663 I love liverwurst said:
Quote:
In all honestly, please don't listen to these nuds comments, chances are the majority of them voted democratic throughout their lives and are Barrack and Hillary type supporters.

That type of mentality throughout the years is what made it so difficult for hard working people like you to get a gun and protect yourself and your family. The only thing they're good for is a Bing search.

Holy fuck what a stupid comment. Congrats.
Here is what I would suggest you do  
Vanzetti : 4/23/2017 12:51 am : link
1. Install outdoor lights and surveillance cameras. You can get the whole house done for less than 2K. Have the surveillance video automatically stored to a cloud.

2. Install key locks on all windows, so even if someone breaks the glass they can't get in.

3. Make the house secure in every way and think about getting dogs. Two young dogs will make you a lot more secure than a gun because their superior hearing and night vision will allow them to detect a break in way before you do. If I'm going to fight intruders inside my house, I would much rather have two pitbulls backing me than a rifle. Just make sure the dogs are highly trained

4. Make sure everyone in the house has a cell phone. If somebody is breaking in, you want to call the police, not take them on with a rifle.

5. Getting a rifle is OK short term but like the poster above said, you can't be shooting a rifle or shotgun in your house. That's how you wind up shooting a family member on the other side of a wall. Start the process of getting a handgun permit.

6. Get military grade tactical flashlights that shine at above 1000 lumens. If your house is dark and you shine that in an intruders eyes they will be temporarily blinded.

7. Buy a couple of steel wrecking bars at home depot and place them at strategic locations around the house. Much more effective weapon than a rifle in close quarters.

8. Install solid wood bedroom doors with sturdy locks. So family members can retreat to a secure room and get off a call to the police.

Any home can be made very secure. Going about will also allay the worries you have about keeping your family safe. It will also get the whole family to take responsibility for security. That is a much better model than you taking on the role of protector.

Most home invasions occur because people leave doors unlocked or windows unsecured. Leaving a house open for even 30 seconds is enough time for people who are watching the house to get in. Getting the whole family to develop security habits is FAR MORE EFFECTIVE than any weapon.

I know you are probably already do a lot of these things but reading up on home security and following expert advice is the way to go. Ultimately, the brain is more powerful than the trigger finger.
I don't think a 9mm will do  
jtfuoco : 4/23/2017 12:58 am : link
If your going to take on your local MS-13 gang your going to need more firepower then a single pistol. The average gang affiliate runs about 45 members and of course you will have to get all of them in a two or three strikes. My recommendation is to pick up a Scar 17 which you can in New York just can't have magazines over 10 rounds so practice your mag swaps then pick up a Zeus thermal sight in the 60hrz range and engage then at night it will reduce there effectiveness of having higher numbers than you. Since most of these new gangs coming up are poorly organized you may get lucky and get the leaders and the whole group might collapse. You can identify them by the tattoo of the serpent and tropic leaf at least the ones here. in N.Y. they might go by something else. You will need to do your homework on that one in that Senerio a simple Remmington 700 SPS with a AICS stock and 3-18 power night hawk scope will do the trick also legal in N.Y. for your knowledge.
In NJ you must have a firearms license for shotgun or rifle  
Giant John : 4/23/2017 4:28 am : link
To purchase a handgun you must have the license and obtain a permit for a handgun. My preference for home protection is a slug gun, semi automatic.. in the hands of someone who knows how to use that weapon it's devestating. When it's time to protect my home and loved ones that's exactly what I'd want.
RE: Here is what I would suggest you do  
madgiantscow009 : 4/23/2017 5:50 am : link
In comment 13438903 Vanzetti said:
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1. Install outdoor lights and surveillance cameras. You can get the whole house done for less than 2K. Have the surveillance video automatically stored to a cloud.

2. Install key locks on all windows, so even if someone breaks the glass they can't get in.

3. Make the house secure in every way and think about getting dogs. Two young dogs will make you a lot more secure than a gun because their superior hearing and night vision will allow them to detect a break in way before you do. If I'm going to fight intruders inside my house, I would much rather have two pitbulls backing me than a rifle. Just make sure the dogs are highly trained

4. Make sure everyone in the house has a cell phone. If somebody is breaking in, you want to call the police, not take them on with a rifle.

5. Getting a rifle is OK short term but like the poster above said, you can't be shooting a rifle or shotgun in your house. That's how you wind up shooting a family member on the other side of a wall. Start the process of getting a handgun permit.

6. Get military grade tactical flashlights that shine at above 1000 lumens. If your house is dark and you shine that in an intruders eyes they will be temporarily blinded.

7. Buy a couple of steel wrecking bars at home depot and place them at strategic locations around the house. Much more effective weapon than a rifle in close quarters.

8. Install solid wood bedroom doors with sturdy locks. So family members can retreat to a secure room and get off a call to the police.

Any home can be made very secure. Going about will also allay the worries you have about keeping your family safe. It will also get the whole family to take responsibility for security. That is a much better model than you taking on the role of protector.

Most home invasions occur because people leave doors unlocked or windows unsecured. Leaving a house open for even 30 seconds is enough time for people who are watching the house to get in. Getting the whole family to develop security habits is FAR MORE EFFECTIVE than any weapon.

I know you are probably already do a lot of these things but reading up on home security and following expert advice is the way to go. Ultimately, the brain is more powerful than the trigger finger.


or just get a doug.


RE: RE: Tom  
BMac : 4/23/2017 7:08 am : link
In comment 13438683 Chris in Philly said:
Quote:
In comment 13438663 I love liverwurst said:


Quote:


In all honestly, please don't listen to these nuds comments, chances are the majority of them voted democratic throughout their lives and are Barrack and Hillary type supporters.

That type of mentality throughout the years is what made it so difficult for hard working people like you to get a gun and protect yourself and your family. The only thing they're good for is a Bing search.

Spend the time and get a pistol permit, I know in NYC is tough (Queens). Not sure about the rest of the Island, a simple search should help you. Get a 9MM for home protection (something like a Sig Sauer or HK are the best guns).

You don't want anything larger than a 9MM, something like a .45 will shoot holes through walls and kill someone on the otherside. Not that a 9MM isn't capable of doing that, however, much less possible.

Any kind of Rifle other than a .22 is going to be way to powerful, furthermore, you don't want to be confronting someone at close quarters with a rifle (or shot gun). Way to big and bulky walking down halls and around corners, also, easier for someone to grab from you. If you get a shotgun, Birdshot isn't good for self defense, you need double ott buck or buckshot..You don't wanna be shooting that in a home.

Thanks





I'm sure this will stick around on BBI 2.0...


I love liverwurst is part of the problem, not the solution. Not only is he/she paranoid, he/she doesn't really know jack except, apparently, from watching Expendables movies and cheesy cop shows.
RE: .40 cal is better then a .45  
Sec 103 : 4/23/2017 8:37 am : link
In comment 13438717 I love liverwurst said:
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That high caliber is just a lot of power for a home. I prefer 9MM hollow points, that will definitely put someone down.. .40 cal is my personal second option for hone defense, nice round though .


.357 Magnum with hollow points, with a 9mm backup... Also the very best noise for an intruder in the house is the ratcheting of a shotgun or AK47, usually after that sound no one stays in the home for any period of time, they will dive out windows, even closed ones... Take the fam to the range and teach them the safety and responsibility of having firearms.
RE: What about New Jersey?  
Sec 103 : 4/23/2017 8:39 am : link
In comment 13438783 ChathamMark said:
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Just looking for a shotgun. Any hoops to go through as far as permits/references/interviews, etc.?

Same as NY, no problem with shotguns or rifles, but a permit is required for hand guns
RE: Tom  
Giantology : 4/23/2017 9:15 am : link
In comment 13438663 I love liverwurst said:
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In all honestly, please don't listen to these nuds comments, chances are the majority of them voted democratic throughout their lives and are Barrack and Hillary type supporters.

That type of mentality throughout the years is what made it so difficult for hard working people like you to get a gun and protect yourself and your family. The only thing they're good for is a Bing search.


Yeah, it's really become SO hard to get a gun. Give me a fucking break.
Sit on your porch with a shotgun  
TEPLimey : 4/23/2017 9:26 am : link
And call everyone a "slacker"
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