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FROM DAVE TE-SAINTS PRIMED TO TAKE ENGRAM

nflscouting : 4/23/2017 12:17 pm
Yesterday, I talked about the Giants interest in Engram in Round Two, but in the teleconference meeting last evening, it appears that Sean Payton might have other ideas with pick #32. It is a consensus that the choice will end up in New England for Butler, but Payton seems to be switching gears, with McCaffrey as the wild card. If the Stanford ball carrier somehow slides to #11, the Saints will pounce on him. If not, NO will go for the best available corner, with Conley getting the top spot on their board, followed by Lattimore & overrated Humphrey. If they take the CB at #11, the draft day trade for Butler will likely be just talk, leaving the Saints in desperate need for somebody to catch Brees'passes & Payton has already made two trips to Ole Miss & its not for the gumbo.
Seems like the TE group may be the talk of the draft  
Rjanyg : 4/23/2017 12:31 pm : link
3 could go in round 1. Crazy
Yeah... It would have been nice  
est1986 : 4/23/2017 12:52 pm : link
Doubt Engram is anywhere near 55 now. DAVE TE who do you think will be some of the better available guys around 55?
Engram would fit in well  
Sy'56 : 4/23/2017 1:31 pm : link
And I think there is a chance they take him at #11 if Conley and McCaffrey are gone by then. How many guys do you come across with is size/speed/route running/ball skills? Payton/Brees could get him 80+ catches in year one.
Sy looking at the current  
Dave on the UWS : 4/23/2017 1:57 pm : link
roster at TE (Ellison,Adams and I guess Tye) who do you see as the best compliment to that group- someone who brings a different or more complete skill set. I'm pretty high on Adams personally.
DAVE TE TO EST1986  
nflscouting : 4/23/2017 2:17 pm : link
Outside of Shaheen, the rest of the TE class afteer the big three should still be around on Day three, so I would think the Giants would turn attention to defense, especially if they go offense in round one. Basham & Rivers might be there, but a few teams think Rivers could be a late one surprise & the Giants have done a lot of homework on the kid. After the Giants pick in Round 1, I see a big run on DBs before the mid-second round settles in
RE: Sy looking at the current  
Sy'56 : 4/23/2017 2:32 pm : link
In comment 13439178 Dave on the UWS said:
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roster at TE (Ellison,Adams and I guess Tye) who do you see as the best compliment to that group- someone who brings a different or more complete skill set. I'm pretty high on Adams personally.


Adams is a solid guy to groom. Sounds like he isn't the sharpest tool in the shed and I know he has trouble at SC with schemes/putting in the mental reps. But I think he has solid blocking ability and effort but as a receiver, eh. He can be covered by LBs and DBs alike.


So considering I think thats what NYG also has in Tye/Ellison, Njoku and Engram fit in well to compliment the current group.
There seems to be buzz about  
Dave on the UWS : 4/23/2017 2:39 pm : link
Shaheen. How would you see him fitting?
RE: There seems to be buzz about  
Sy'56 : 4/23/2017 2:53 pm : link
In comment 13439221 Dave on the UWS said:
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Shaheen. How would you see him fitting?


Rare size and ball skills/combo. Such a major jump in competition but it worked out OK for Kevin Boss. Although Boss was a better athlete and blocker coming in.

I don't want to call him baby Gronk, but I see why people say it.
how come the Saints  
SHO'NUFF : 4/23/2017 4:45 pm : link
never seem to care about TEs who don't block?
Any chance the Giants look at Billy brown  
Tuckrule : 4/23/2017 7:50 pm : link
As a late pick or free agent or are they done with "project type" tight ends
Dave  
ryanmkeane : 4/23/2017 11:01 pm : link
I'm a bit confused. Are you saying the Saints are primed to take Engram at 11? You mention a few other players they'd take before him at all 11. And probably not likely he's going to be there at 32 (if they do in fact have that pick)
Dave  
Anakim : 4/23/2017 11:08 pm : link
You're the best.


It's probably too much trouble and time-consuming but I would love to hear what you're hearing on every single pick in the first round.
Dave Te To Anakim  
nflscouting : 4/24/2017 12:58 pm : link
Never been a draft guy, never will do a mock. That is Sy's expertise, but if you wanna know about a guy, I can write a book on him. If you ever read my stuff in publication, I always aligned with a "draft guy," as I let them do the "I predict" stuff while I do Dragnet - just the facts. I think because football is a job, not a hobby, I have to give teams what they want - every bit of info and then let them decide. The cool thing? You got Sy doing an excellent draft evaluation here. I'm just background work & he's the headliner.
Dave Te on Billy Brown  
nflscouting : 4/24/2017 12:59 pm : link
He was one they requested a report on, but do not know how far they will go on the guy. Saubert & Hollister did get additional attention though
RE: Dave Te To Anakim  
Big Blue '56 : 4/24/2017 1:01 pm : link
In comment 13440145 nflscouting said:
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Never been a draft guy, never will do a mock. That is Sy's expertise, but if you wanna know about a guy, I can write a book on him. If you ever read my stuff in publication, I always aligned with a "draft guy," as I let them do the "I predict" stuff while I do Dragnet - just the facts. I think because football is a job, not a hobby, I have to give teams what they want - every bit of info and then let them decide. The cool thing? You got Sy doing an excellent draft evaluation here. I'm just background work & he's the headliner.


Sy is no fan of mocks as well
Dave Te to RYANMKEANE  
nflscouting : 4/24/2017 1:02 pm : link
No, Sean wants him at #32. McCaffrey or a top CB are his #11 target. They are backing off on Butler from NE, as they don't want to give up #32, but would surrender a Round 2 for him. Watch Bill B hold on to Butler until the inseason trade deadline. If they go CB, Conley is NO's prime target, but they also love White out of LSU (possible #32 or second round, depending on what shakes out of the tree with Round 1 trades)
RE: Dave Te to RYANMKEANE  
ryanmkeane : 4/24/2017 1:17 pm : link
In comment 13440155 nflscouting said:
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No, Sean wants him at #32. McCaffrey or a top CB are his #11 target. They are backing off on Butler from NE, as they don't want to give up #32, but would surrender a Round 2 for him. Watch Bill B hold on to Butler until the inseason trade deadline. If they go CB, Conley is NO's prime target, but they also love White out of LSU (possible #32 or second round, depending on what shakes out of the tree with Round 1 trades)

Got it - thanks Dave!
Dave Te To RYANMKEANe  
nflscouting : 4/24/2017 4:16 pm : link
PS-Payton reached out to Jason McCourty over the weekend. I'm not convinced he's starting material & it will not affect draft decisions, but it looks like they want to get a vet in for secondary upgrades
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