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FROM DAVE TE-POSSIBLE D-LINE SLEEPER FOR GIANTS

nflscouting : 4/23/2017 3:24 pm
A scout's work is never done. About a dozen teams went into Toledo a week back, as the big man on campus, nose guard Treyvon Hester was ready to put on a show. He was unable to perform at the Combine due to a shoulder injury & still did not lift, but at 6:02.1, 304, he ran a 4.86, putting a 31 1/2-vertical to go with a 4.71 short shuttle.
As a good ole scout & despite an out of town reader on BBI giving me crap yesterday because I don't answer stupid questions, here is my initial report on Hester that I submitted today. This is a kid I would keep an eye on during Day Three, as the Giants had a pretty decent presence with the other dozen teams during his pro day;

Body Structure Hester is a wide-body type with outstanding shoulder and chest width. He has big hips, wide bubble, thick thighs and calves, long arms and a frame that can carry an additional 20-30 pounds with no loss in quickness.

Athletic Ability Hester has exceptional quickness to gain penetration. He shows agility, balance and acceleration into the backfield. Hester shows the body control and change of direction agility to make plays down the line. He also has good strength, but needs to be more physical in his play. He does play with a high motor and has a high pain threshhold.

Football Sense This kid is both field smart and class room smart. He quickly learns and retains plays. He understands assignments and is quick to pick up schemes. His feel for the ball is above average and he makes an effort on every play to get to the ball. He is rarely caught out of position due to a mental error.

Competitiveness He is a solid competitor who plays with decent aggression, but you would like him to be a little more physical in his play. He can dominate the action in the trenches and never takes plays off. He relies a lot on his quickness and hand usage to finesse blockers and makes every effort to get to the ball, but for a player of his size, he should be mauling blockers more often.

Explosion/Pursuit He flashes outstanding suddenness and the ability to gain advantage on an offensive line- man. His burst off the line allows him to penetrate the gaps almost immediately.

Strength at Point He has the power to split and disengage, but will revert a lot to trying to out-finesse the blocker, especially in one-on-one situations. His weight room figures do not always translate to the football field. He is very effective at using his hands to stab and separate though. He will get washed out when he gets too high in his pads. He needs to play at a lower pad level to be effective when trying to shed and stack.

Use of Hands He has very active hands. When he locks on to a blocker, he has the functional strength to control. He gets good body position and placement, but must generate more power behind his punch to jolt (tends to push rather than strike when executing on counters)

Lateral Pursuit/Effort He shows the quickness and hip snap to reach the edge to make tackles on the corner. He moves effortlessly down the line and when he gets free, is quick to zero in on the quarter- back.

Tackling Ability When he stays low in his pads, he generates the power to hit and take down with authority. He shows good hand usage to wrap and the hip roll to jolt on contact.

Run Defense Even though he does not always utilize his strength, he gets good position and body lean to stack and control when he stays at a good pad level. When he gets too high, he struggles with the blocker, especially against one lined up over his head.

Pass Rush He relies a lot on his hand jolt and explosion to get to the passer. Once he gets free and gets a bead on the quarterback, he will usually make the play in the backfield. For a player of his size, you’d expect him to be more physical and generate more power to get a strong push off the snap. He is best in run containment, but he can cause some havoc with his bull rush ability.

Closing on the QB It is his foot speed and agility to get into the backfield that helps him flush out the passer. He has an outstanding short burst to close, but gets locked on sometimes, mostly when he fails to utilize his power game. When he is given a free lane, he shows explosion through the gaps to gain penetration.

Instincts/Recognition He shows above average ability to read and react. He is very quick to pick up blocking schemes and has a good feel to flow to the ball. His agility down the line lets him string plays wide. If he can get more physical in his play, this player will be a big contributor at the next level.

Hester has an ideal frame and exceptional quickness for a nose guard prospect. Despite his impressive frame, he is more of a finesse-type of player who has the functional strength, but needs to get more physical on the field. He has a frame that can carry at least another twenty pounds of bulk. Because of his bull rush skills and ability to plug the rush lanes, he could also perform capably in a two-gap system, thanks to his lower body strength.

Hester does a good job of pursuing the play, as he is quick to read and react. He plays at a good pad level, most of the time and relies on his quickness to gain penetration. He shows explosiveness in his initial step and the change of direction agility to work his way down the line. He has a solid base to anchor and plug the running lanes. Hester shows good hand placement and does a good job of pursuing the short area plays, but lacks the timed speed to run long distances.

As a run defender, Hester is quick to gain position on the blocker, using his arm-under action to get an edge on the outside of an offensive lineman. When he uses his hands with force, he is able to jab and jolt to separate. When Hester gets too high in his stance or lines up with a blocker on his head, he struggles to disengage. He has the leg drive and short area burst to collapse the pocket and is quick to locate the ball. He also shows good field smarts and discipline, rarely over-pursuing the plays.

He plays with good mental alertness and has a knack for finding the ball in the short area and also shows a good feel for pressure. In the open field, he extends his arms properly to wrap and secure as a tackler, but with a lack of foot speed, is better served working inside the box. Hester is able to split double teams when he hunkers down to get a good anchor. He has the burst to close on the quarterback and never takes a play off. He is an adequate pass rusher who lacks many moves and is better off performing as a bull rusher (5 sacks last year from the bull). Even when he utilizes his short area burst to get into the backfield, he does not have the agility to close in on the quarterback with any effectiveness.

Hester just needs to get more physical in his play. Hester does not always utilize his power and long arms to stack and shed. He is a marginal pass rusher who is better at flushing the quarterback out of the pocket than tackle the passer. He relies too much on his speed to break free of the offensive linemen and will lose a few battles once he lets the blocker lock on. It is not as if he is incapable of playing more physically.
Based on his size, determination, athletic ability and instincts, this is a player that is well worth a look on the draft's third day. If he can improve his power game (shoulder issues), he will be a big contributor in the pros, but needs to play in a disciplined system.


Thanks Dave  
Sy'56 : 4/23/2017 4:35 pm : link
Is it possible they were also there to see Kareem Hunt? He would fit in nicely to the current NYG backfield situation.
great stuff  
section125 : 4/23/2017 4:40 pm : link
love reading these.
Dave, Sy -  
section125 : 4/23/2017 4:42 pm : link
just how heavy does a DT need to be? Is 300-310 heavy enough? I know it depends on height and body fat, but is 315 to 325 "ideal" all thing being equal?
RE: Dave, Sy -  
Sy'56 : 4/23/2017 4:49 pm : link
In comment 13439330 section125 said:
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just how heavy does a DT need to be? Is 300-310 heavy enough? I know it depends on height and body fat, but is 315 to 325 "ideal" all thing being equal?


Wish it was that simple...but with the different schemes and roles...too complicated of an answer.

For NYG...I think they want 310+ when all said and done. A guy like Hester...as Dave said...can easily add that weight to his frame. Very wide, natural girth.
RE: RE: Dave, Sy -  
section125 : 4/23/2017 4:57 pm : link
In comment 13439340 Sy'56 said:
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In comment 13439330 section125 said:


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just how heavy does a DT need to be? Is 300-310 heavy enough? I know it depends on height and body fat, but is 315 to 325 "ideal" all thing being equal?



Wish it was that simple...but with the different schemes and roles...too complicated of an answer.

For NYG...I think they want 310+ when all said and done. A guy like Hester...as Dave said...can easily add that weight to his frame. Very wide, natural girth.


Yeah, simple question with a multitude of possible answers. Aaron Donald built like a bowling ball and cat quick doesn't need to be 320. Just thinking a guy like Wormley at 290 might need to put on 20 lbs to be effective against NFL guards and centers.
Wormley can add weight  
Sy'56 : 4/23/2017 4:59 pm : link
with ease.
sounds good  
idiotsavant : 4/23/2017 5:01 pm : link
here is hoping that if they draft an end as well its not a skinny situational type one.

Then, in addition to a guy like this (sounds legit) - a behemoth NT would be useful.

The days of only using giant nose tackles within 3/4's are over!
RE: Wormley can add weight  
section125 : 4/23/2017 5:04 pm : link
In comment 13439348 Sy'56 said:
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with ease.


He looks like a lean 290, very lean.
Could be there  
allstarjim : 4/23/2017 5:44 pm : link
To check out Michael Roberts also?
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